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Post by N.E. Brigand on Oct 29, 2023 23:36:07 GMT -6
My experience with Reagan parents couldn’t be any more different than yours it sounds like The thing to remember is that there are varying experiences regarding even the same groups and the students/parents that make up their support bases. Some people only have had negative experiences overhearing intolerable amounts of disrespect at contests, i for the most part, have had very pleasant experiences in my neck of the woods in DFW for the large part. Everyone has different vantage points in the stands, it’s just important for when issues are brought up, they come from the right place and that there aren’t any inflammatory biases coming into play. Not that I’m saying that anyone here’s doing that, just to say that people often do have varying experiences with what they’re able to observe, no one can observe everything either!! Yep. At some point I'll follow-up about the parents of one high-scoring band at this year's Toledo BOA regional prelims. I picked my seat early, but as waves of parents came and went, I found myself in the middle of their block. Most of them were fine, if a bit too enthusiastic. One of them was doing something very annoying. And then after she left -- right after the band finished -- I asked some of the other parents from that school if they could talk to her before finals so she didn't do it again. They had been so caught up in watching their band that they hadn't noticed what she was doing. They said they would talk to her, but: "You can't teach class."
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Post by hewhowaits on Oct 30, 2023 6:30:29 GMT -6
I chose to raise my son in Leander ISD (Vandegrift, Leander, Vista Ridge, Cedar Park, Rouse, Glenn).... We bought a house here to ensure that he had a wholesome experience in performance arts. He had an amazing 6 years in the school district. This is not a problem here...as a matter of fact we are way too friendly with each other here. There are some bands outside of the school district and I and my wife have issues with but that is because of their refusal to appreciate the work of the kids...nothing worse than seeing parents come to a contest and only cheer for 1 band (I'm looking at you Reagan and Bowie parents). What a silly take. There are elements in EVERY BAND PROGRAM that fits what you’re describing. There are nasty parents everywhere. Singling out adults as representative of a program’s philosophy or trying to tie the actions of a few to the whole just makes you look bad. Band parents can be some of the most supportive people around. They can also be some of the weirdest, childish, and ignorant on the planet. Everyone knows this, but we see it on this forum at times as well. Public schools tend to promote this kind of culture. Can’t be controlled. Well put. Rule of thumb - >99% of the people you'll encounter associated with marching bands are great folks to be around. The few others are the exception that proves the rule.
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Post by trumpette123 on Oct 30, 2023 7:03:05 GMT -6
I know the chat on band etiquette is kinda off topic I guess. But I think you also have to understand that not everyone is accustomed to the band world. Parents of contact sports can be.. wild and probably inappropriate. And as far as students.. they are children. It’s great to see programs and students supporting other bands. I don’t think any director would approve of bad etiquette during band performances or bashing of other bands. I’m assuming most directors discuss this stuff to students and parent meetings. It’s also not the message of Bands of America at all despite the competition aspect. While there are these unfortunate scenarios there are 100x more positive stories. My personal one is when we were the only band not from Texas in 2013 at the SA SR, Round Rocks students and staff were very accommodating and nice to us. Going to the rose parade together next year, we created a Facebook page called the Dragon Regiment (Dragon Band + Golden Regiment) for all the students to communicate. I probably have a life long friend from that experience! Anyways.. very off topic sorry! 🙂
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Post by ilikeguard on Oct 30, 2023 8:32:50 GMT -6
I know the chat on band etiquette is kinda off topic I guess. But I think you also have to understand that not everyone is accustomed to the band world. Parents of contact sports can be.. wild and probably inappropriate. And as far as students.. they are children. It’s great to see programs and students supporting other bands. I don’t think any director would approve of bad etiquette during band performances or bashing of other bands. I’m assuming most directors discuss this stuff to students and parent meetings. It’s also not the message of Bands of America at all despite the competition aspect. While there are these unfortunate scenarios there are 100x more positive stories. My personal one is when we were the only band not from Texas in 2013 at the SA SR, Round Rocks students and staff were very accommodating and nice to us. Going to the rose parade together next year, we created a Facebook page called the Dragon Regiment (Dragon Band + Golden Regiment) for all the students to communicate. I probably have a life long friend from that experience! Anyways.. very off topic sorry! 🙂 Dragon Regiment is the cutest thing ever! I love when band kids come together and create friendships across district and state lines. Almost all of my close friendships originate in an informal group chat named after a spoof on FloMarching created in fall 2018 and added to whenever we made friends at competitions. It’s been through a lot of rotations, but off the top of my head it contains alums from Anderson, BA, Bentonville, Camdenton, Castle, Cedar Ridge, Hebron, LD Bell, Mountain Ridge, SFA, Tarpon, Vista Ridge, Vista Murietta, Union and Westwood (and probably others that I’m forgetting because I’m hardly awake and this is getting long). That’s eight states in all four time zones! About half of us are through college now. I have someone to cheer for at pretty much any big band competition ☺️
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Post by redteam1114 on Oct 30, 2023 15:23:02 GMT -6
They have an evening performance and luckily got all of Monday as an approved absence, which means the kids can sleep in late in their own beds Sunday night, giving them plenty of time to rest up! Using your post to respond in general. First off, it amazes me what Texas and Indiana (lesser tho) band kids have to deal with when it comes to BOA/State stuff. Let alone the school district approving it all. When my sister went to flower mound and I found out about their schedule for state, SA and Grand Nationals it really made me realize how nice I had it at Blue Springs for travel, rest, and school stuff. Good luck Westwood! I didn't get to watch most of the competition but I am curious what happened for Bentonville to drop from 1st in Mus Ensemble to 4th (don't know if different panel had any effect.) Hopefully they know what to work on these next two week and can see them in Finals at GN. I am no expert and setting bias aside the best I can. But I am kinda shocked so many people thought they would win. The kids are performing what they are given amazingly but on a design level I think blue springs shows are a step up (right now.) Visually the task that Lindsay Vento I asking them to do is smooth, very clean, and pretty difficult. (Coulda never asked that of my class 10 years ago..) Granted rolling around on the ground in those uniforms looks alot easier than in cotton bibbers and an aussie. I will say though I have 0 idea whats going on in the music field of blue springs shows. What they were given sounds great but it feels sparse to me compared to OFT, Benton, or Westwood. I guess I just really don't know what judges are rewarding. If they make it work, great, but its definitely not a crowd pleaser from a music aspect (from the response of everyone else at the very least.) Lastly, good luck to OFT at I'm assuming Macys. I'm sure it'll be fun but man parades, especially in the cold, never seemed fun. Marching in Macys is a once in a life time opportunity tho! I can't wait to see their growth over the next couple of years. I loved the tarp shows but they were probably a pain and not really something you'd want to do every year. Glad to see them still ascending without that affect and maybe we could see an Eagle back in Illinois someday. Speaking from experience having marched in the parade with Lincoln the last they had gone (2008), the day of the parade is one of the most exhausting days a band member could have. How early the day starts depends on where in the area they're staying hotel-wise. NBC has a dress rehearsal with all the performing acts, and the marching bands are always the first to rehearse, and the rehearsal starts at 3:00 AM the morning of the parade. Then you get any more sleep you can afterwards, have breakfast around 5 AM, lineup for the parade is around 7/7:30, the parade starts at 9:00, but from whenever you step off, it's anywhere between 45 minutes to an hour marching from Central Park West to Herald Square. The route is nowhere close to as long as the Rose Parade, but all the extra stuff beforehand wears you out, even as a teenager 😂 I remember that we got back to the hotel at around noon, and everyone in my room immediately took a nap, myself included. But for as exhausting as the day is, it's definitely a once in a lifetime experience 😊
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Post by statechamp1239 on Oct 30, 2023 17:49:15 GMT -6
Final Results1. Blue Springs H.S., MO 93.400 2. O'Fallon Township H.S., IL 90.075 3. Westwood H.S., TX 89.700 Weirdly, these 3 bands were next to each other at St. Louis in 2017, and Westwood had a bird show that year too. 2. Blue Springs - 87.60 3. O'Fallon Township - 86.20 4. Westwood - 85.47
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Post by bvillebanddad on Oct 30, 2023 19:46:38 GMT -6
Posting here under St. Louis SR too.
Bentonville won Arkansas State 7A in Little Rock tonight. Fast turnaround from the St. Louis Super Regional. Congratulations BHS! Next up, Grand Nationals!💛🌻
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Post by nomorehoney on Oct 30, 2023 21:06:39 GMT -6
Final Results1. Blue Springs H.S., MO 93.400 2. O'Fallon Township H.S., IL 90.075 3. Westwood H.S., TX 89.700 Weirdly, these 3 bands were next to each other at St. Louis in 2017, and Westwood had a bird show that year too. 2. Blue Springs - 87.60 3. O'Fallon Township - 86.20 4. Westwood - 85.47 Somewhat unrelated but retreat for STL in 2017 truly hit different (ofallon alum here). I don't know if any of us expected to do as well as we did. When we broke ranks I remember meeting a bunch of Owasso kids that were incredibly nice and supportive and we all hyped each other up. Top 3 marching band experiences for me
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Post by trumpette123 on Oct 30, 2023 21:23:19 GMT -6
Weirdly, these 3 bands were next to each other at St. Louis in 2017, and Westwood had a bird show that year too. 2. Blue Springs - 87.60 3. O'Fallon Township - 86.20 4. Westwood - 85.47 Somewhat unrelated but retreat for STL in 2017 truly hit different (ofallon alum here). I don't know if any of us expected to do as well as we did. When we broke ranks I remember meeting a bunch of Owasso kids that were incredibly nice and supportive and we all hyped each other up. Top 3 marching band experiences for me it was an INSANE show. That was my first year just being a spectator. When I saw you guys at the GRI I was just blown away with the show design. It should have made finals at Grand nationals Black hole sun was an amazing ballad with the voice overs in the background.
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Post by ilikeguard on Oct 30, 2023 21:30:56 GMT -6
Posting here under St. Louis SR too. Bentonville won Arkansas State 7A in Little Rock tonight. Fast turnaround from the St. Louis Super Regional. Congratulations BHS! Next up, Grand Nationals!💛🌻 And with a record score I hear!
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Post by nomorehoney on Oct 30, 2023 21:38:39 GMT -6
it was an INSANE show. That was my first year just being a spectator. When I saw you guys at the GRI I was just blown away with the show design. It should have made finals at Grand nationals Black hole sun was an amazing ballad with the voice overs in the background. thanks! funny thing, I thought a lot about quitting band during the previous season as I wasn't sure if it was for me. I'm glad I stuck with it lol, that show was so much fun to perform. Blue Springs' 2017 show is also one of my favorite shows ever. I was floored when I watched it live way back when
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Post by baritonedad on Oct 30, 2023 23:47:16 GMT -6
Posting here under St. Louis SR too. Bentonville won Arkansas State 7A in Little Rock tonight. Fast turnaround from the St. Louis Super Regional. Congratulations BHS! Next up, Grand Nationals!💛🌻 And with a record score I hear! And they had to go first again!! 🤪 but, they’ve known that for a while. They do at least get to go last in their stacked group in prelims at GN: Dripping, Keller, Blue Spring, Bentonville!
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Post by bomberjester on Oct 31, 2023 6:06:06 GMT -6
Question for you BOA competition veterans. I saw something at the end of the super regional that I haven't seen before. Blue springs marched on the field with instruments in hand during finals awards. I have never seen another band do that. To me, it came off as arrogant and rude to the other bands. Like, "We already know we won so we'll just bring these along to do our victory lap sooner". Am I overthinking it ? Just seemed like a low class move to me but this is only my daughter's second year in marching band so trying to be open minded.
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Post by bomberjester on Oct 31, 2023 6:08:49 GMT -6
Posting here under St. Louis SR too. Bentonville won Arkansas State 7A in Little Rock tonight. Fast turnaround from the St. Louis Super Regional. Congratulations BHS! Next up, Grand Nationals!💛🌻 That's awesome! I loved bentonville's show and was talking with some of their parents about their crazy schedule between STL SR and GN. Glad they pulled it off!
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Post by hewhowaits on Oct 31, 2023 7:06:15 GMT -6
Question for you BOA competition veterans. I saw something at the end of the super regional that I haven't seen before. Blue springs marched on the field with instruments in hand during finals awards. I have never seen another band do that. To me, it came off as arrogant and rude to the other bands. Like, "We already know we won so we'll just bring these along to do our victory lap sooner". Am I overthinking it ? Just seemed like a low class move to me but this is only my daughter's second year in marching band so trying to be open minded. You will often see one or more bands come to finale with their instruments, especially if one of the last couple performing bands intends to do an encore should they win. In Piscataway this week, portions of several bands carried their instruments but NOT the winner (who had stored all of their props and instruments in the staging area 2 hours prior in case they did win). This action was in now way an arrogant move - it was about not moving everything up the steep hill between performances, which EVERY band at the show had done with props following their prelims performances.
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Post by trumpette123 on Oct 31, 2023 8:18:37 GMT -6
Question for you BOA competition veterans. I saw something at the end of the super regional that I haven't seen before. Blue springs marched on the field with instruments in hand during finals awards. I have never seen another band do that. To me, it came off as arrogant and rude to the other bands. Like, "We already know we won so we'll just bring these along to do our victory lap sooner". Am I overthinking it ? Just seemed like a low class move to me but this is only my daughter's second year in marching band so trying to be open minded. Unfortunately, sometimes that’s just what it is. It can come off as arrogant from a spectators perspective. When I was in band, broken arrow did it every year. Even if the band goes 8th (first of top 7.) it’s not a sign that they are going to win. But these directors kinda know where they COULD place. Broken Arrow and Tarpon probably did it at Orlando. Avon, Carmel, and Mason probably did it at Indy. They have a limited time to do these encores. I don’t like how retreat has to run short. Venue staff want to start cleaning cause at some of these domes there is a game the next day. That being said, personally as a student and a spectator I loved watching encores and was frustrated when the winning band wasn’t prepared to do an encore. As a student we didn’t win a single BOA competition but I really enjoyed getting to watch bands do encores because it gave me insight to what winning shows looked like and what the kids perform like.
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Post by hewhowaits on Oct 31, 2023 8:33:56 GMT -6
Question for you BOA competition veterans. I saw something at the end of the super regional that I haven't seen before. Blue springs marched on the field with instruments in hand during finals awards. I have never seen another band do that. To me, it came off as arrogant and rude to the other bands. Like, "We already know we won so we'll just bring these along to do our victory lap sooner". Am I overthinking it ? Just seemed like a low class move to me but this is only my daughter's second year in marching band so trying to be open minded. Unfortunately, sometimes that’s just what it is. It can come off as arrogant from a spectators perspective. When I was in band, broken arrow did it every year. Even if the band goes 8th (first of top 7.) it’s not a sign that they are going to win. But these directors kinda know where they COULD place. Broken Arrow and Tarpon probably did it at Orlando. Avon, Carmel, and Mason probably did it at Indy. They have a limited time to do these encores. I don’t like how retreat has to run short. Venue staff want to start cleaning cause at some of these domes there is a game the next day. That being said, personally as a student and a spectator I loved watching encores and was frustrated when the winning band wasn’t prepared to do an encore. As a student we didn’t win a single BOA competition but I really enjoyed getting to watch bands do encores because it gave me insight to what winning shows looked like and what the kids perform like. None of the top three at Indy SR intended to perform an encore if they won, so none of them carried instruments to the finale.
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Post by trumpette123 on Oct 31, 2023 8:35:34 GMT -6
Unfortunately, sometimes that’s just what it is. It can come off as arrogant from a spectators perspective. When I was in band, broken arrow did it every year. Even if the band goes 8th (first of top 7.) it’s not a sign that they are going to win. But these directors kinda know where they COULD place. Broken Arrow and Tarpon probably did it at Orlando. Avon, Carmel, and Mason probably did it at Indy. They have a limited time to do these encores. I don’t like how retreat has to run short. Venue staff want to start cleaning cause at some of these domes there is a game the next day. That being said, personally as a student and a spectator I loved watching encores and was frustrated when the winning band wasn’t prepared to do an encore. As a student we didn’t win a single BOA competition but I really enjoyed getting to watch bands do encores because it gave me insight to what winning shows looked like and what the kids perform like. None of the top three at Indy SR intended to perform an encore if they won, so none of them carried instruments to the finale. Interesting, I wonder why they decided against it. I think every year I had went they did. Atleast a stand still.
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Post by bvillebanddad on Oct 31, 2023 8:49:27 GMT -6
Arkansas State 7A Marching Band Championship results: Bentonville High School won Overall, Music and Visual. Scoring system is different than BOA.
Bentonville 93.10 Fayetteville 91.20 Bryant 90.70 Cabot 88.60 Bentonville West 88.50
As an aside, it was very cold in Little Rock yesterday. These kids are amazing from all of these programs.
Edit: Credit to MelloMom for posting the results link: files.constantcontact.com/8629bc7f701/0d5df4a9-7a18-4fa2-9445-983caabfc265.pdf
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Post by oldbandguy on Oct 31, 2023 9:55:49 GMT -6
Question for you BOA competition veterans. I saw something at the end of the super regional that I haven't seen before. Blue springs marched on the field with instruments in hand during finals awards. I have never seen another band do that. To me, it came off as arrogant and rude to the other bands. Like, "We already know we won so we'll just bring these along to do our victory lap sooner". Am I overthinking it ? Just seemed like a low class move to me but this is only my daughter's second year in marching band so trying to be open minded. Yeah it’s not uncommon for that to happen. Wando does it every time (but honestly there’s usually no one there to beat them except for Tarpon last year). Both Tarpon and BA had their instruments for the finals ceremony in Orlando. I used to think it made the ceremony irrelevant in a way, but eventually you’ll be like, “meh…makes sense”. I think we as parents naturally take it personally at first because anything that feels like an insult to OUR kids trips that instinct to defend. But it’s really not meant to be insulting. It just makes more sense logistically most of the time.
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Post by bomberjester on Oct 31, 2023 10:40:30 GMT -6
Question for you BOA competition veterans. I saw something at the end of the super regional that I haven't seen before. Blue springs marched on the field with instruments in hand during finals awards. I have never seen another band do that. To me, it came off as arrogant and rude to the other bands. Like, "We already know we won so we'll just bring these along to do our victory lap sooner". Am I overthinking it ? Just seemed like a low class move to me but this is only my daughter's second year in marching band so trying to be open minded. Unfortunately, sometimes that’s just what it is. It can come off as arrogant from a spectators perspective. When I was in band, broken arrow did it every year. Even if the band goes 8th (first of top 7.) it’s not a sign that they are going to win. But these directors kinda know where they COULD place. Broken Arrow and Tarpon probably did it at Orlando. Avon, Carmel, and Mason probably did it at Indy. They have a limited time to do these encores. I don’t like how retreat has to run short. Venue staff want to start cleaning cause at some of these domes there is a game the next day. That being said, personally as a student and a spectator I loved watching encores and was frustrated when the winning band wasn’t prepared to do an encore. As a student we didn’t win a single BOA competition but I really enjoyed getting to watch bands do encores because it gave me insight to what winning shows looked like and what the kids perform like. I was at Indy and none of the bands there carried instruments on field. Same for STL super regionals last year. Just seems like they could leave them nearby for encore if necessary but like I said, I am still relatively new to boa so thanks for the insight.
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Post by bomberjester on Oct 31, 2023 10:43:01 GMT -6
Question for you BOA competition veterans. I saw something at the end of the super regional that I haven't seen before. Blue springs marched on the field with instruments in hand during finals awards. I have never seen another band do that. To me, it came off as arrogant and rude to the other bands. Like, "We already know we won so we'll just bring these along to do our victory lap sooner". Am I overthinking it ? Just seemed like a low class move to me but this is only my daughter's second year in marching band so trying to be open minded. Yeah it’s not uncommon for that to happen. Wando does it every time (but honestly there’s usually no one there to beat them except for Tarpon last year). Both Tarpon and BA had their instruments for the finals ceremony in Orlando. I used to think it made the ceremony irrelevant in a way, but eventually you’ll be like, “meh…makes sense”. I think we as parents naturally take it personally at first because anything that feels like an insult to OUR kids trips that instinct to defend. But it’s really not meant to be insulting. It just makes more sense logistically most of the time. Yeah I get the efficiency. You nailed it on the defensive parent angle. Hence why I wanted to ask others who maybe didn't have a band kid on the field for the impartial opinion. Thanks for your insight
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Post by hewhowaits on Oct 31, 2023 10:53:09 GMT -6
None of the top three at Indy SR intended to perform an encore if they won, so none of them carried instruments to the finale. Interesting, I wonder why they decided against it. I think every year I had went they did. Atleast a stand still. Avon and Carmel had both performed Friday evening in prelims, Saturday during the day at ISSMA Semi-State, and again in Finals. That was enough for one weekend. I suspect that Mason's reasoning was that they still have more to add to the show and there wouldn't have been value in repeating the version with the long tag ending.
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Post by hewhowaits on Oct 31, 2023 10:54:49 GMT -6
Unfortunately, sometimes that’s just what it is. It can come off as arrogant from a spectators perspective. When I was in band, broken arrow did it every year. Even if the band goes 8th (first of top 7.) it’s not a sign that they are going to win. But these directors kinda know where they COULD place. Broken Arrow and Tarpon probably did it at Orlando. Avon, Carmel, and Mason probably did it at Indy. They have a limited time to do these encores. I don’t like how retreat has to run short. Venue staff want to start cleaning cause at some of these domes there is a game the next day. That being said, personally as a student and a spectator I loved watching encores and was frustrated when the winning band wasn’t prepared to do an encore. As a student we didn’t win a single BOA competition but I really enjoyed getting to watch bands do encores because it gave me insight to what winning shows looked like and what the kids perform like. I was at Indy and none of the bands there carried instruments on field. Same for STL super regionals last year. Just seems like they could leave them nearby for encore if necessary but like I said, I am still relatively new to boa so thanks for the insight. Depending on the performance order and the facility, there may not be anywhere to store more than just props and front ensemble.
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Post by statechamp1239 on Oct 31, 2023 12:29:08 GMT -6
Question for you BOA competition veterans. I saw something at the end of the super regional that I haven't seen before. Blue springs marched on the field with instruments in hand during finals awards. I have never seen another band do that. To me, it came off as arrogant and rude to the other bands. Like, "We already know we won so we'll just bring these along to do our victory lap sooner". Am I overthinking it ? Just seemed like a low class move to me but this is only my daughter's second year in marching band so trying to be open minded. In Piscataway this week, portions of several bands carried their instruments but NOT the winner (who had stored all of their props and instruments in the staging area 2 hours prior in case they did win). This action was in now way an arrogant move - it was about not moving everything up the steep hill between performances, which EVERY band at the show had done with props following their prelims performances. I never liked going up on that steep hill. My worst fear was a rouge marimba going down the hill.
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Post by 18Saxes on Oct 31, 2023 13:53:35 GMT -6
I would say it’s pretty common for bands who consistently place in the top 3 at competitions to bring their instruments to retreat, especially at Super Regionals and Grand Nationals.
Whether it’s arrogant/rude is a different discussion.
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Post by warehouse314 on Oct 31, 2023 15:14:40 GMT -6
Interesting, I wonder why they decided against it. I think every year I had went they did. Atleast a stand still. Avon and Carmel had both performed Friday evening in prelims, Saturday during the day at ISSMA Semi-State, and again in Finals. That was enough for one weekend. I suspect that Mason's reasoning was that they still have more to add to the show and there wouldn't have been value in repeating the version with the long tag ending. This is the case for Carmel... The kids were wiped out. I'm guessing the same for Avon.
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Post by banerd on Oct 31, 2023 18:27:51 GMT -6
Several bands will carry instruments due to it taking hours to either go back to hotel / bus to store them then go back to venue. Sometimes bands try to get back to stadium ASAP to watch other bands before massing. BA in Orlando left their big instruments in halls of the the stadium with someone to watch over them and went up to watch / line up for massing in Orlando.
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Post by drumcorpsalumni99 on Nov 17, 2023 11:13:41 GMT -6
Man all the bands performed super well today! I was super impressed with how every kid put their all into each show. I will admit that I am a little perturbed by the lack of courtesy from one of the bands though. I was sitting near a band during prelims, not sure which one, that was just straight up insulting another band. I wasn’t paying too much attention so I don’t know who they were insulting, but I heard stuff like “they suck” and “f— (this band)”. I hope that behavior isn’t common and doesn’t show up next year, it’s quite unhealthy. Band parents can be far worse. Unfortunately it was the students that were insulting the other band. It was very rude, distasteful, and unsportsmen like conduct displayed during the awards. During finals, it was the parents and it got WAY worse. It was the talk of the entire competition, and took away from the true meaning of the event. In my 30 years around band programs and drum corps, I have NEVER witnessed something so disgusting as that. Props to Hernando Band for not reacting and being the mature examples of the definition of CLASS! It's shame and unfortunate that the other band is from the same state, and they were so rude instead of supportive and encouraging. I hope they can find humbleness and the meaning of what it's like to be a supportive program. The actions did not represent that band, school, and city well AT ALL.
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