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Post by drumcorpsgeek on Jun 25, 2020 19:27:34 GMT -6
The Louisiana Showcase of Marching Bands has cancelled their 2020 State Championship.
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Post by dbalash on Jun 25, 2020 19:33:16 GMT -6
The Louisiana Showcase of Marching Bands has cancelled their 2020 State Championship. MFW when Louisiana has a state marching band championship and Illinois doesn't. Get your crap together, home state.
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Post by hewhowaits on Jun 26, 2020 5:13:12 GMT -6
The Louisiana Showcase of Marching Bands has cancelled their 2020 State Championship. MFW when Louisiana has a state marching band championship and Illinois doesn't. Get your crap together, home state. ISU and UofI are too territorial about THEIR show being the most important and both have too much influence.
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Post by marimba11 on Jun 26, 2020 8:35:25 GMT -6
The Louisiana Showcase of Marching Bands has cancelled their 2020 State Championship. Well that isn't good news
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Post by notinband on Jun 26, 2020 8:38:51 GMT -6
MFW when Louisiana has a state marching band championship and Illinois doesn't. Get your crap together, home state. ISU and UofI are too territorial about THEIR show being the most important and both have too much influence. It would be nice if ISU and UofI could find some way to combine their shows. I know ISU is very popular in the state and limits participation to 42 bands, and thus always has a waiting list.
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Post by dbalash on Jun 26, 2020 8:55:54 GMT -6
ISU and UofI are too territorial about THEIR show being the most important and both have too much influence. It would be nice if ISU and UofI could find some way to combine their shows. I know ISU is very popular in the state and limits participation to 42 bands, and thus always has a waiting list. Both shows are limited to 42 bands. U of I was plagued FOR YEARS by the requirement that you had to do parade and field to win grand champion, the Olympic system, mediocre (to be kind) judging panels. The stalwarts of Prospect & Morton haven't been in years. I'd rather go to ISU with better judges, 2 performances perhaps, with a better crowd.
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Post by notinband on Jun 26, 2020 10:24:50 GMT -6
I'd rather go to ISU with better judges, 2 performances perhaps, with a better crowd. I agree.
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Post by dbalash on Jun 26, 2020 16:44:14 GMT -6
ISU and UofI are too territorial about THEIR show being the most important and both have too much influence. It would be nice if ISU and UofI could find some way to combine their shows. I know ISU is very popular in the state and limits participation to 42 bands, and thus always has a waiting list. Not an issue this year, as U of I has apparently cancelled.
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Post by cinnamonpromenade on Jun 26, 2020 18:31:52 GMT -6
I find the whole "but we need to reopen the economy!" argument to be so silly. Who told you that the economy is important? Who told you that everyone "needs" to have jobs (at least while we're in a pandemic)? (I say "you" generically, rather than against any specific person or poster on here.)
I agree that essential services like grocery stores or health industries need to be open right now. But it is preposterous to suggest that, say, restaurants need to be open right now. Why? Because servers need to earn a paycheck again, or that restaurant owners need customers' money, or that customers need a return to normalcy? It is true that we all need a base amount of money in order to survive. But it is not true that the only way to receive money is to work for it. In times of emergency––such as during a global pandemic––there is no reason why the government cannot directly subsidize the costs of living for all people, whether it be via stimulus checks, unemployment funds, and/or subsidizing costs of wages for employers and their employees. It is unreal to me that so many working class people are faced with two options: 1. Go back to work in order to earn money to survive. Your risk for contracting coronavirus skyrockets. What if you're immunocompromised? What if you don't have health insurance? 2. Quit your job to reduce your risk of contracting coronavirus... and lose out on both income AND qualifying for unemployment. (And, if your job had offered you health insurance, you lose that, too.)
For those demanding that we reopen so we can "return to normal," or for those suggesting that it's silly to wear a mask, I am envious of your complete disregard for others' well-being. I wish I could prioritize my comforts over the needs of others. I wish I was presumably like you: healthy, with health insurance, and with a steady stream of income. Instead, I am immunocompromised, unable to afford health insurance... and hired to teach marching band to your kids. If I get coronavirus while teaching, I will not go to a hospital because I will NEVER be able to afford treatment. My asthma greatly increases my chances of dying. God forbid I spread the disease to your band kid and/or the people I live with. God forbid you have to help your child cope with their staff member or band friend dying. For those of you who are "not a doctor" and therefore "can't speak to every study," let me help you out: Get your head out of your ass and stay home whenever you can. If you need to go outside, just put on a mask. This issue IS political: it is political to suggest that a man-made structure like an "economy" is more important than a single human life. It is political that your lack of critical thinking skills––presumably due to our ill-funded education system––allows you to hold ignorant opinions that put my life in jeopardy. It is political that American exceptionalism has permitted you to be an absolute child incapable of caring for others.
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Post by atxbandnerd on Jun 26, 2020 19:29:22 GMT -6
Round Rock just cancelled all athletic practices indefinitely. They also sent out an email about hybrid learning in the fall.
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Post by marimba11 on Jun 26, 2020 19:42:29 GMT -6
I find the whole "but we need to reopen the economy!" argument to be so silly. Who told you that the economy is important? Who told you that everyone "needs" to have jobs (at least while we're in a pandemic)? (I say "you" generically, rather than against any specific person or poster on here.)
I agree that essential services like grocery stores or health industries need to be open right now. But it is preposterous to suggest that, say, restaurants need to be open right now. Why? Because servers need to earn a paycheck again, or that restaurant owners need customers' money, or that customers need a return to normalcy? It is true that we all need a base amount of money in order to survive. But it is not true that the only way to receive money is to work for it. In times of emergency––such as during a global pandemic––there is no reason why the government cannot directly subsidize the costs of living for all people, whether it be via stimulus checks, unemployment funds, and/or subsidizing costs of wages for employers and their employees. It is unreal to me that so many working class people are faced with two options: 1. Go back to work in order to earn money to survive. Your risk for contracting coronavirus skyrockets. What if you're immunocompromised? What if you don't have health insurance? 2. Quit your job to reduce your risk of contracting coronavirus... and lose out on both income AND qualifying for unemployment. (And, if your job had offered you health insurance, you lose that, too.)
For those demanding that we reopen so we can "return to normal," or for those suggesting that it's silly to wear a mask, I am envious of your complete disregard for others' well-being. I wish I could prioritize my comforts over the needs of others. I wish I was presumably like you: healthy, with health insurance, and with a steady stream of income. Instead, I am immunocompromised, unable to afford health insurance... and hired to teach marching band to your kids. If I get coronavirus while teaching, I will not go to a hospital because I will NEVER be able to afford treatment. My asthma greatly increases my chances of dying. God forbid I spread the disease to your band kid and/or the people I live with. God forbid you have to help your child cope with their staff member or band friend dying. For those of you who are "not a doctor" and therefore "can't speak to every study," let me help you out: Get your head out of your ass and stay home whenever you can. If you need to go outside, just put on a mask. This issue IS political: it is political to suggest that a man-made structure like an "economy" is more important than a single human life. It is political that your lack of critical thinking skills––presumably due to our ill-funded education system––allows you to hold ignorant opinions that put my life in jeopardy. It is political that American exceptionalism has permitted you to be an absolute child incapable of caring for others. I’m very sorry that you have health issues (we all do to varying degrees), but how many lives for how many lives? That is honestly the question you are raising. We can’t have zero economy or there won’t be much to rebuild. We also can’t have people dying in the streets. Those are the two extremes being portrayed by each side. And of course these extremes are far from what is really happening. Even fauci himself says masks are largely symbolic, they may help at the margins not but much. I think large events with lots of people gathering closely are where it is being spread the most, also at home (where we’re supposed to stay confined 🧐). Unfortunately science (fact) is largely politicized in this country. Welcome to 2020, where truth is just perception. Or should I say 1984... This article from the Houston saying hospitals are well equipped to deal with this: www.google.com/amp/s/www.click2houston.com/news/local/2020/06/25/houston-hospital-leaders-discuss-capacity-has-coronavirus-cases-rise/%3foutputType=ampChoose to believe what you want, but if you really want to blame the perpetrator, blame China.
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Post by marimba11 on Jun 26, 2020 20:03:16 GMT -6
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Post by lhsax on Jun 26, 2020 22:10:26 GMT -6
Oh boy, I hope you're not using this article to build your argument because your synopsis is very misleading of the actual content of the article. People aren't dying because of the shutdown, they're dying because coronvirus has overrun hospitals and people generally don't want to be around it, and therefore are avoiding necessary preventative care. These additional deaths are the result of Coronavirus, regardless of whether we're shutdown or not. Yes, there's a small portion of this attributed to those who lost insurance coverage due to lost jobs (you know what would help with that? Universal healthcare, but I have no doubt we're on opposite sides of that argument too), but it is not the focus of this articles synopsis. If anything this article actually works very directly against your "open everything" attitude, in that these spikes in cases are caused by re-opening actually compound the problem, shifting "fear of going the hospital" as the article puts it to "no space in the hospital."
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Post by thewho on Jun 26, 2020 23:04:59 GMT -6
I find the whole "but we need to reopen the economy!" argument to be so silly. Who told you that the economy is important? Who told you that everyone "needs" to have jobs (at least while we're in a pandemic)? (I say "you" generically, rather than against any specific person or poster on here.)
I agree that essential services like grocery stores or health industries need to be open right now. But it is preposterous to suggest that, say, restaurants need to be open right now. Why? Because servers need to earn a paycheck again, or that restaurant owners need customers' money, or that customers need a return to normalcy? It is true that we all need a base amount of money in order to survive. But it is not true that the only way to receive money is to work for it. In times of emergency––such as during a global pandemic––there is no reason why the government cannot directly subsidize the costs of living for all people, whether it be via stimulus checks, unemployment funds, and/or subsidizing costs of wages for employers and their employees. It is unreal to me that so many working class people are faced with two options: 1. Go back to work in order to earn money to survive. Your risk for contracting coronavirus skyrockets. What if you're immunocompromised? What if you don't have health insurance? 2. Quit your job to reduce your risk of contracting coronavirus... and lose out on both income AND qualifying for unemployment. (And, if your job had offered you health insurance, you lose that, too.)
For those demanding that we reopen so we can "return to normal," or for those suggesting that it's silly to wear a mask, I am envious of your complete disregard for others' well-being. I wish I could prioritize my comforts over the needs of others. I wish I was presumably like you: healthy, with health insurance, and with a steady stream of income. Instead, I am immunocompromised, unable to afford health insurance... and hired to teach marching band to your kids. If I get coronavirus while teaching, I will not go to a hospital because I will NEVER be able to afford treatment. My asthma greatly increases my chances of dying. God forbid I spread the disease to your band kid and/or the people I live with. God forbid you have to help your child cope with their staff member or band friend dying. For those of you who are "not a doctor" and therefore "can't speak to every study," let me help you out: Get your head out of your ass and stay home whenever you can. If you need to go outside, just put on a mask. This issue IS political: it is political to suggest that a man-made structure like an "economy" is more important than a single human life. It is political that your lack of critical thinking skills––presumably due to our ill-funded education system––allows you to hold ignorant opinions that put my life in jeopardy. It is political that American exceptionalism has permitted you to be an absolute child incapable of caring for others. I’m very sorry that you have health issues (we all do to varying degrees), but how many lives for how many lives? That is honestly the question you are raising. We can’t have zero economy or there won’t be much to rebuild. We also can’t have people dying in the streets. Those are the two extremes being portrayed by each side. And of course these extremes are far from what is really happening. Even fauci himself says masks are largely symbolic, they may help at the margins not but much. I think large events with lots of people gathering closely are where it is being spread the most, also at home (where we’re supposed to stay confined 🧐). Unfortunately science (fact) is largely politicized in this country. Welcome to 2020, where truth is just perception. Or should I say 1984... This article from the Houston saying hospitals are well equipped to deal with this: www.google.com/amp/s/www.click2houston.com/news/local/2020/06/25/houston-hospital-leaders-discuss-capacity-has-coronavirus-cases-rise/%3foutputType=ampChoose to believe what you want, but if you really want to blame the perpetrator, blame China. Unfortunately, we've reached a point where the line has to be drawn. I'm extremely disappointed that your response mounts to essentially telling one of Hornrank's members to go screw themselves. I'm going to lock this thread for a few days. Other moderators and I will continue to monitor discussion after this point and will close down if discussion begins spiraling out of control. Let's be clear. We're in a situation where people need to take care of each other. This pandemic is not a hoax, conspiracy theory, nitpicked fact, or population control device. It. Literally. Is. A. Pandemic. Various areas around the country at this point are getting hit hard with new cases and hotspots. Please, please, please follow CDC recommendations on protecting yourself: - Understand how the Covid-19 virus spreads- specifically through respiratory droplets exhaled
- Wash your hands
- Avoid close contact (6-feet difference)
- Cover coughs and sneezes (into your elbow)
- Clean and disinfect
- Monitor your health
Lastly, all band discussions are welcome on the Hornrank forums. However, please be aware that the organizations running the band competitions are not listening to those arguments on this forum. This is a discussion forum, not a petition website.
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Post by Allohak on Jul 5, 2020 16:51:23 GMT -6
This has been closed for a bit now and we've all had some time to cool off. Understand that we may (will) not all agree on everything regarding ongoing situations in the world.
I'm unlocking this because there is certainly some discussion worth having regarding this topic. Please play nice so we can have nice things.
Also, please be safe out in the world if you must go out.
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Post by propsquaddad on Jul 6, 2020 13:29:19 GMT -6
I think it's going to be interesting to see, especially in Texas, what the fall 2020 season is going to look like. Personally, I'm going to bet there will not be a Fall marching season and that makes me sad. Regardless of which way it goes, decisions need to be made fairly quickly as August 1st is less than a month away.
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Post by rabb2t on Jul 7, 2020 11:39:00 GMT -6
Looking over the data provided by JHU, I can see that Texas' cases are something to worry about, still. Indiana's cases currently don't have a definitive yes if their cases are truly going down, but for now, I still can't predict how the season will fare. At best, early competitions will be cancelled and regulations will be put in place. At worst... well, you already know the worst.
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Post by atxbandnerd on Jul 7, 2020 15:46:56 GMT -6
TEA released guidelines for back to school. No hybrid options.
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Post by propsquaddad on Jul 8, 2020 15:20:24 GMT -6
TEA released guidelines for back to school. No hybrid options. Yes, but most districts are doing a virtual option and a in-person option. which I think is best for individual families to decide what they want to do. However, what happens when half the band decides to do the virtual option? How do you social distance on buses to a contest? do the schools have to budget for twice as many buses for transport now? there are still so may unknowns, and the first marching practices for Texas are only a couple weeks away.
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Post by bearscott85 on Jul 12, 2020 6:39:52 GMT -6
I really don’t see any activities extra curricular that is in high school at least happening again until proven vaccines are working which could take a couple of years at least.... I mean how could they exist in reality? Probably goes for DCI as well....
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Post by dallasman on Jul 12, 2020 9:33:20 GMT -6
I really don’t see any activities extra curricular that is in high school at least happening again until proven vaccines are working which could take a couple of years at least.... I mean how could they exist in reality? Probably goes for DCI as well.... Herd immunity.
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Post by marimba11 on Jul 12, 2020 11:08:37 GMT -6
I really don’t see any activities extra curricular that is in high school at least happening again until proven vaccines are working which could take a couple of years at least.... I mean how could they exist in reality? Probably goes for DCI as well.... Herd immunity. I’ve heard Dr.s say we won’t reach herd immunity because the virus will die out before enough time would pass that would need to reach herd immunity (90% or more with antibodies). But really who knows at this point.
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Post by WoodlandsMom4ever on Jul 12, 2020 15:17:56 GMT -6
TEA released guidelines for back to school. No hybrid options. Yes, but most districts are doing a virtual option and a in-person option. which I think is best for individual families to decide what they want to do. However, what happens when half the band decides to do the virtual option? How do you social distance on buses to a contest? do the schools have to budget for twice as many buses for transport now? there are still so may unknowns, and the first marching practices for Texas are only a couple weeks away. From what I understand- our options are online or in seat- but there may be some classes not offered online, that an online person would have to come to campus to attend. Those complaining that that doesn’t make sense- we’ll if we were to choose online and still participate in person with band/guard (or other similar fine arts/athletics) - then we aren’t exposing our child to the 3500 other students at the school- we are just exposing them to a smaller sampling of the band (280) guard (50) or other similar class. It seems to be a good compromise. Don’t know how to post a picture- but there’s a picture going around Facebook of a 5a school at passing time- where they already have designated up and down separate stairs to keep the flow better. If a kid just comes and goes straight to the band hall- they avoid those insane hallways.
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Post by LeanderMomma on Jul 12, 2020 16:13:10 GMT -6
Here it is WoodlandsMom4ever I had to edit the original because it was too large of an attachment.
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Post by propsquaddad on Jul 13, 2020 13:37:03 GMT -6
On the TXbands FB page, they just posted that a couple of the N Texas districts (Keller ISD being one of them) have decided not to do a competitive show for 2020.
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Post by LeanderMomma on Jul 13, 2020 13:40:21 GMT -6
On the TXbands FB page, they just posted that a couple of the N Texas districts (Keller ISD being one of them) have decided not to do a competitive show for 2020.
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Post by ilikeguard on Jul 13, 2020 14:44:40 GMT -6
Camdenton has cancelled their competitive season and Blue Springs will most likely follow suit. There is no state circuit in Missouri, but I’m sure that would have ended up similar to all of the state circuits that have announced cancellations in the past few days.
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Post by ilikeguard on Jul 13, 2020 14:48:42 GMT -6
Sounds like Arizona Marching Band Association will not be having championships this year.
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Post by cornet on Jul 13, 2020 18:29:23 GMT -6
Wake County NC has cancelled all athletics and extracurriculars "for the foreseeable future". That would be all the Cary bands.
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Post by supersound on Jul 14, 2020 0:02:54 GMT -6
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