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Post by formingquad on Oct 28, 2023 21:54:39 GMT -6
What an amazing end of the season congratulations to everyone!
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Post by das88 on Oct 28, 2023 21:54:57 GMT -6
I figured Carmel had maxed out last week. Avon is going to be crazy with couple of weeks to clean.
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Post by thewho on Oct 28, 2023 22:03:32 GMT -6
does anyone know if the drum major from avon is ok? I'm hoping the emergency did not impact her too much because she was back in line with her peers for Avon's announcement. |
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Post by 70sguardchick on Oct 28, 2023 22:11:49 GMT -6
After a quick glance at the scores, 5-7 could've been very different if state finals was on Sunday. I'm cool with Carroll 7th now. No qualms with how the night ended. Looking forward to seeing all the scores, or at least a weather report, hint, hint.. :-) |
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Post by Marching Observer on Oct 28, 2023 22:33:55 GMT -6
1/2 .25
90+>
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5/7 .15
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8/9 .4
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I feel like that's sufficiently clear but also vague enough for me to feel okay with posting lol. Seeing the whole picture tonight and comparing to the start of ISSMA, 2/3 captions have a general lack of consistency.
I don't know if that will get better with GN. So continue to just try and enjoy the ride. But keep buckled up.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2023 22:40:29 GMT -6
I figured Carmel had maxed out last week. Avon is going to be crazy with couple of weeks to clean. I guarantee you that neither band has yet "maxed out." |
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Post by coleeich on Oct 28, 2023 22:48:44 GMT -6
Congrats to Avon! SO excited for GN here in a couple of weeks
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Post by 70sguardchick on Oct 28, 2023 22:57:19 GMT -6
1/2 .25 90+> 4.25 3 1.475 4 85+> 2.85 5/7 .15 1.75 8/9 .4 .975 10 80+> . I feel like that's sufficiently clear but also vague enough for me to feel okay with posting lol. Seeing the whole picture tonight and comparing to the start of ISSMA, 2/3 captions have a general lack of consistency. I don't know if that will get better with GN. So continue to just try and enjoy the ride. But keep buckled up. You youngsters and your fancy new math….lol… |
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Post by warehouse314 on Oct 28, 2023 23:08:14 GMT -6
I figured Carmel had maxed out last week. Avon is going to be crazy with couple of weeks to clean. I guarantee you that neither band has yet "maxed out." Yeah... this whole "Carmel has maxed out or peaked" theory is a really strange one to me, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion. My guess is that their Directors know exactly what they're doing (based on past history) and will use the next 2 weeks to "peak/max out" at Grand Nats... like they usually do. And I'd say the same thing for Avon, Hebron, TWHS, etc. |
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Post by bandparent836365 on Oct 28, 2023 23:19:15 GMT -6
does anyone know if the drum major from avon is ok? I'm hoping the emergency did not impact her too much because she was back in line with her peers for Avon's announcement. She walked by me by the band buses and seemed just fine thankfully. She had candy in her hand. 😊 |
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Post by HoosierFan00 on Oct 29, 2023 8:34:14 GMT -6
I figured Carmel had maxed out last week. Avon is going to be crazy with couple of weeks to clean. I don’t think Carmel has peaked just yet, personally I saw a lot of dirt from both Carmel and Avon from where I was. I’m just excited to see what both bands can do in 2 weeks to put up against the Texas Horde… |
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Post by boahistorybuff on Oct 29, 2023 8:44:21 GMT -6
Well, I'll just put in some quick recaps here with my rankings before awards because with how much against the grain I feel like I'll have been heh. Just let me have my own two cents okay? OKAY?! Hah  Class A Rankings 2. Carmel (Music) - Look, it won't be the first or last time you hear this from me, they've set the standard of what a symphonic band should sound like on the field (for the state of Indiana...shut up Texas WE KNOW! lol) Herscher IL may have been the 1st to try it (early 80s), Marian Catholic, Lake Park, Westfield and Spring expanded upon it (late 80s/early 90s) and now Carmel and Texas have set a new standard. No band will ever take it to where Marian Catholic did in the 90s and 2000s. |
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Post by tigertail on Oct 29, 2023 8:48:44 GMT -6
I know the forum doesn’t like talk like this, but I feel like the CG show (as in the past) scores way higher than I’d think. I’m just not a fan of a show where the band itself plays so little. Oh well. Big trend right now. EV North won B and a BOA regional with the ensemble playing less than half the show. At least it was reflected in their music score today Wow you really don't like Ev. North do you. This is the 3rd or 4th post you have mentioned what you perceived as a weakness. Glad you weren't judging or they likely would have been watching from the stands. Guess both the BOA and ISSMA judges don't have a clue huh? |
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Post by thor19 on Oct 29, 2023 9:00:11 GMT -6
One big take away for me this year and last year is Avon doing what they do without using big over the top props. It’s very impressive and imo is more what marching band should be. Last year I think they used red scarves and that was it but was very effective. My kids are in a Northern school in a different class so this isn’t a homer comment.
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Post by bflat on Oct 29, 2023 9:01:14 GMT -6
I had a feeling Avon nailed it. Congrats to them! Some other placements were headscratchers, but that's the way it usually goes.
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Post by paddy on Oct 29, 2023 9:13:57 GMT -6
Big trend right now. EV North won B and a BOA regional with the ensemble playing less than half the show. At least it was reflected in their music score today Wow you really don't like Ev. North do you. This is the 3rd or 4th post you have mentioned what you perceived as a weakness. Glad you weren't judging or they likely would have been watching from the stands. Guess both the BOA and ISSMA judges don't have a clue huh? I like EV North just fine. I think they performed the heck out of their show and am happy that Class B continues to grow in competitiveness. I appreciate the hard work those kids did to perform a challenging visual component of their show. I think their soloists are outstanding musicians. I think their ensemble performed the book they were given well too. I do think the music book was lacking and was over scored this year. The music ensemble judge at state finals who is outstanding and well respected agreed with me. Actually, the BOA regional ME judge agreed with me as well as they placed 4th at finals. However, my criticism really had little to do with North. I would criticize the music book of that show regardless of who performed it. I thought Choctaw had a soft music book covered by visuals last year. I have not been impressed by Center Grove’s music book on the winds side lately. I have been consistent in this criticism and view for years. You just happened along lately and only see what I am saying now. I believe you should try to challenge kids with music that makes them better and forces them to strive beyond what they think they are capable of. I just think it is a disservice to kids in a music education activity to not challenge them in pursuit of winning. I don’t like what shows designed like this represent as an evolution of the activity. And I would have judged Ev North the winner yesterday. Their total package was the best product on the field. It is not a show design I like but I can recognize high achievement. The first thing one must do when critiquing the activity is to divorce oneself from the group performing. The name of the school doesn’t matter, who the director is doesn’t matter, the names on the design team and staff don’t matter. I use names of programs when describing what I don’t like because it is a commonly understood identifier. However that doesn’t mean that I have an opinion of the school itself. |
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Post by paddy on Oct 29, 2023 9:21:48 GMT -6
One big take away for me this year and last year is Avon doing what they do without using big over the top props. It’s very impressive and imo is more what marching band should be. Last year I think they used red scarves and that was it but was very effective. My kids are in a Northern school in a different class so this isn’t a homer comment. There are advantages larger bands have over smaller bands in this respect. I would argue that Avon did have large props this year when you consider how large those frames really were. I think it was impressive that they weren’t static props. It would’ve been easy to build large fixed frames that allowed for some performer interaction. However, the integration of a manipulative prop into the larger performance was impressive. |
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Post by thor19 on Oct 29, 2023 10:11:19 GMT -6
Those frames weren’t big in any way and they were more of a tool used by the guard. Static or not, big clunky props that take a small army to move on the field or take up a large portion of the field are a little much at times.
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Post by c on Oct 29, 2023 10:18:51 GMT -6
Wow you really don't like Ev. North do you. This is the 3rd or 4th post you have mentioned what you perceived as a weakness. Glad you weren't judging or they likely would have been watching from the stands. Guess both the BOA and ISSMA judges don't have a clue huh? I like EV North just fine. I think they performed the heck out of their show and am happy that Class B continues to grow in competitiveness. I appreciate the hard work those kids did to perform a challenging visual component of their show. I think their soloists are outstanding musicians. I think their ensemble performed the book they were given well too. I do think the music book was lacking and was over scored this year. The music ensemble judge at state finals who is outstanding and well respected agreed with me. Actually, the BOA regional ME judge agreed with me as well as they placed 4th at finals. However, my criticism really had little to do with North. I would criticize the music book of that show regardless of who performed it. I thought Choctaw had a soft music book covered by visuals last year. I have not been impressed by Center Grove’s music book on the winds side lately. I have been consistent in this criticism and view for years. You just happened along lately and only see what I am saying now. I believe you should try to challenge kids with music that makes them better and forces them to strive beyond what they think they are capable of. I just think it is a disservice to kids in a music education activity to not challenge them in pursuit of winning. I don’t like what shows designed like this represent as an evolution of the activity. And I would have judged Ev North the winner yesterday. Their total package was the best product on the field. It is not a show design I like but I can recognize high achievement. The first thing one must do when critiquing the activity is to divorce oneself from the group performing. The name of the school doesn’t matter, who the director is doesn’t matter, the names on the design team and staff don’t matter. I use names of programs when describing what I don’t like because it is a commonly understood identifier. However that doesn’t mean that I have an opinion of the school itself. But how do you KNOW those kids aren’t being challenged?? You aren’t the band director so you wouldn’t exactly know the student’s strengths and weaknesses and how to best set them up for “success”. We all know the main reason marching band is an incredible activity is not for learning the music itself, but all the amazing transferable life skills and memories you get. I know for a fact that CG does not care about winning. They care about developing into good people through music education. By giving the best perform they can personally give at that moment in time. This is their version of success. Personally, I’d much have this mentally than one that establishes failure if you don’t get 1sts. Especially when students end up crying because you got 3rd place at state finals one year (yes, I saw this happen with Avon many years ago). |
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Post by paddy on Oct 29, 2023 10:22:01 GMT -6
Those frames weren’t big in any way and they were more of a tool used by the guard. Static or not, big clunky props that take a small army to move on the field or take up a large portion of the field are a little much at times. Again advantage that large bands have over smaller bands. We are both praising the props. It is ok that I think they are still pretty large. |
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Post by formingquad on Oct 29, 2023 11:15:07 GMT -6
Anyone know some temps yet? *wink wink* 😉
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Post by 70sguardchick on Oct 29, 2023 11:17:40 GMT -6
Anyone know some temps yet? *wink wink* 😉 And have you passed them on for super-secret posting? |
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Post by asaiah on Oct 29, 2023 11:29:58 GMT -6
I've never followed ISSMA, but I know scores are kept secret (except for directors). Having said that, why don't people just... post them anyway? Because UIL also tries to keep its raw scores secret but they almost always get leaked lol
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Post by lylaaaaa on Oct 29, 2023 11:41:45 GMT -6
Being honest, the rankings this past weekend were kind of weird. I fully believed that Center Grove would be very similar to Goshen and Noblesville - but more importantly, what happened with Carroll? They were amazing this whole season (and yesterday). I don't think it was their best run probably but hey, I think they still should have gotten maybe 5/6. I don't know - either way, congrats to everyone that placed yesterday! Not a single show failed to surprise me!!!
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Post by formingquad on Oct 29, 2023 11:42:30 GMT -6
I've never followed ISSMA, but I know scores are kept secret (except for directors). Having said that, why don't people just... post them anyway? Because UIL also tries to keep its raw scores secret but they almost always get leaked lol Idk if its true but if scores happen to get “Posted” by a band or something along those lines it could mean a penalty or it could mean a suspension from competing into future ISSMA Contests. Im not entirely 100% sure so dont count on me for this but thats what ive heard from other schools. AGAIN dont count on me cuz im not entirely sure tho |
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Post by tateloveslily on Oct 29, 2023 11:43:49 GMT -6
I’ve been trying to decipher the mystery scores above from state last night and I think my brain is going to explode.
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Post by lylaaaaa on Oct 29, 2023 11:45:43 GMT -6
After 7. I can’t make an educated call on the top two from the feed, so I’m giving it to Avon as the show is more to my liking. Avon Carmel Carroll Fishers Homestead Center Grove Goshen I have the same after 7. Judging by the stream Avon and Carmel will be a coin toss, though I feel like I say that way too much. I fully agree - I know the results now but the results were weird last night |
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Post by lylaaaaa on Oct 29, 2023 11:46:27 GMT -6
I’m trying to wrap my head around CG over Carroll. I FULLY AGREE! |
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Post by lylaaaaa on Oct 29, 2023 11:50:42 GMT -6
After a quick glance at the scores, 5-7 could've been very different if state finals was on Sunday. I'm cool with Carroll 7th now. No qualms with how the night ended. What do you mean? Like cool after the performance or did you not like how they ranked earlier in the season? Sorry just confused |
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Post by horndad on Oct 29, 2023 11:50:49 GMT -6
I’ve been trying to decipher the mystery scores above from state last night and I think my brain is going to explode. 1/2 - placements .25 difference between first and second 90+, over 90, everything under the line is, well under. 4.25 deference between second and third This gives you enough? Just wish we could do B now! |
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