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Post by ohioguy2 on Mar 16, 2024 4:42:46 GMT -6
There are no northwest Ohio OMEA competitions on this day. Some of the little OMEA bands from that quarter of the state should sign up for this event. Springfield has appeared at this event before, and Ada has been to lots of BOA contests, but what about St. John's Jesuit or Columbus Grove or Ottawa-Glandorf or Maumee or Sylvania Southview or Woodmore or Arcadia or Kalida or Van Wert or Van Buren? Van Buren wouldn't be out of the question for a Class A placement award. I think they were probably better than Archbishop Carroll last year. Looking a little farther afield, Amherst Steele would have decent odds on making finals, even without woodwinds. But I think the band I'd most want to see there is Rossford, just so there's confusion with Rockford. I think you’re underestimating the fact that this would mean charging bands who never pay more than $25 to attend a local show $875 to go to a regional. Especially when many OMEA bands don’t really feel that the experience is worth it. They basically feel they’re not good enough to really make it worth it. I’m not saying that’s accurate but that’s the perception. As you mentioned, Springfield is the most likely of the OMEA crew to attend. I’m not sure how common knowledge this is, but the man who was the executive director of the Glassmen Drum Corps settled in Springfield after the corps folded and his kids went through the band there. I know he helped the director find some more nationally known designers than you would normally see from a NW Ohio OMEA band and is a big reason they’re a bit more progressive than other bands in the area. That’s why I wouldn’t be surprised to see them attend.
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Mar 16, 2024 14:44:45 GMT -6
There are no northwest Ohio OMEA competitions on this day. Some of the little OMEA bands from that quarter of the state should sign up for this event. ... I think you’re underestimating the fact that this would mean charging bands who never pay more than $25 to attend a local show $875 to go to a regional. Especially when many OMEA bands don’t really feel that the experience is worth it. They basically feel they’re not good enough to really make it worth it. I’m not saying that’s accurate but that’s the perception. Wow. I had no idea the fee was that high! And I understand BOA needs to charge whatever it takes to run their shows. But it does throw a different light on the argument that is sometimes put forward about how a band shouldn't be taken seriously if they don't attend BOA. Thanks for the information about Springfield. The first time i saw them, at the Buckeye Invitational in 2015 or 2016, they were being judged, but their style still was very much that of a halftime band. Notably they didn't have a front ensemble for the first two or three years in competition. I can't remember if that was still true the first time they qualified for state. Several times they've played something I'd never heard a marching band play before, most notably David Bowie's "Life on Mars." Last year, I attended Prelims of the BOA Toledo regional in the first half of the day and then drove just 15 minutes to attend the OMEA competition that Springfield hosted that evening. That was Oct. 7th. Although they weren't scored at their own show, I put them down for a 78, and the judges did not feel they deserved to qualify to state. I figured they'd clean up enough to make it by their final competition two weeks later, but as you know, that didn't happen (they scored 79.4).
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Post by ohioguy2 on Mar 18, 2024 6:03:28 GMT -6
I think you’re underestimating the fact that this would mean charging bands who never pay more than $25 to attend a local show $875 to go to a regional. Especially when many OMEA bands don’t really feel that the experience is worth it. They basically feel they’re not good enough to really make it worth it. I’m not saying that’s accurate but that’s the perception. Wow. I had no idea the fee was that high! And I understand BOA needs to charge whatever it takes to run their shows. But it does throw a different light on the argument that is sometimes put forward about how a band shouldn't be taken seriously if they don't attend BOA. Regionals are $875, Super Regionals are $925, and Grand Nationals is $975. This reminds me of the conversation a few months back on the OMEA thread where OMEA bands were described as "fat and happy" because they chose to participate in OMEA events (including the rating only SMBF) instead of branching out into MSBA or BOA. It's really unfortunate how detached some people are from reality when it comes to the economic situations a lot of these programs face.
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Post by michiganmarching on Mar 18, 2024 12:17:16 GMT -6
Attending: Lake Orion H.S., MI (Source: 2024 Performance schedule, website)
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Post by rlrrll on Mar 24, 2024 21:34:23 GMT -6
Wow. I had no idea the fee was that high! And I understand BOA needs to charge whatever it takes to run their shows. But it does throw a different light on the argument that is sometimes put forward about how a band shouldn't be taken seriously if they don't attend BOA. Regionals are $875, Super Regionals are $925, and Grand Nationals is $975. This reminds me of the conversation a few months back on the OMEA thread where OMEA bands were described as "fat and happy" because they chose to participate in OMEA events (including the rating only SMBF) instead of branching out into MSBA or BOA. It's really unfortunate how detached some people are from reality when it comes to the economic situations a lot of these programs face. Context means alot when it has nothing to do with money and everything about being content with being a big fish in a small pond. en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fat_and_happy1. Content; having one's wants and needs met; often with a connotation of complacent advantage or privilege (as for example with a sinecure or with power of socioeconomic establishment). synonym Synonym: fat, dumb and happy 2. Used other than figuratively or idiomatically: see fat, happy. That being said, I have my own issues with what it takes to be competitive in BOA in this setting. Registration fees are just the tip of the iceberg. To be competitive in BOA you basically need to sell your soul to the Devil to find the right designer to take you to the "promised land." That costs much more money that registration fees. However, most Ohio bands I know of that could do BOA very well if they chose to do so could raise the money if they really wanted to. They just have zero incentive to do so because all of their local awards make administrators and directors look good in the community no matter how big or small the show is.
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Post by boahistorybuff on Mar 30, 2024 4:34:24 GMT -6
Regionals are $875, Super Regionals are $925, and Grand Nationals is $975. This reminds me of the conversation a few months back on the OMEA thread where OMEA bands were described as "fat and happy" because they chose to participate in OMEA events (including the rating only SMBF) instead of branching out into MSBA or BOA. It's really unfortunate how detached some people are from reality when it comes to the economic situations a lot of these programs face. Context means alot when it has nothing to do with money and everything about being content with being a big fish in a small pond. en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fat_and_happy1. Content; having one's wants and needs met; often with a connotation of complacent advantage or privilege (as for example with a sinecure or with power of socioeconomic establishment). synonym Synonym: fat, dumb and happy 2. Used other than figuratively or idiomatically: see fat, happy. That being said, I have my own issues with what it takes to be competitive in BOA in this setting. Registration fees are just the tip of the iceberg. To be competitive in BOA you basically need to sell your soul to the Devil to find the right designer to take you to the "promised land." That costs much more money that registration fees. However, most Ohio bands I know of that could do BOA very well if they chose to do so could raise the money if they really wanted to. They just have zero incentive to do so because all of their local awards make administrators and directors look good in the community no matter how big or small the show is. For a very long time (30 to 40 years), the top level bands in BOA have had top notch design teams and instructional staff, including music arrangers. And NO, you don't need all of this to be a very good band and you certainly can be a very good band and not compete in BOA. There are a lot of schools that have strong marching band programs but opt to place a lot of focus on other areas of their music programs too (concert band, orchestra, elementary music programs, etc). There is nothing wrong with that. Many schools may find it difficult to pour a lot of time and money into the marching band program and still be able to sustain quality music education at all levels. I think many bands may also think that if they can provide a quality marching band experience for their kids, why try to up their budgets to be at the top of the BOA pack. That said, there are many bands that compete in BOA that don't have the staff of say a Carmel or Hebron. They are bands that know they probably can not make finals at the regional level. They compete to give their kids the experience of competing in a big name competition and it gives their kids the opportunity to sit and watch these big name bands perform. For decades, the state of Ohio has brought a ton of bands to BOA competitions. Ohio is probably among the top 3 or 4 states in terms of number of bands who have competed in BOA. Ohio has also had 10 bands who have been a Grand National Finalist at least once. They have had six bands who have won at least one BOA Regional title and the state as a whole has dozens of regional titles under its belt. Ohio also claims 14 BOA Grand National Class Titles and one BOA Grand National Champion. Just because there a lot of Ohio bands who opt out of BOA does not mean that Ohio has not made its mark on BOA.
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Post by neop on Mar 31, 2024 11:36:19 GMT -6
Attending: Walled Lake Schools, MI (calendar) Drop: Walled Lake Schools, MI (going to MCBA Lakeland instead)
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Post by mtnxdrew on Mar 31, 2024 13:03:04 GMT -6
Attending: Walled Lake Schools, MI (calendar) Drop: Walled Lake Schools, MI (going to MCBA Lakeland instead) Ugh, why.
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Post by boahistorybuff on Mar 31, 2024 17:36:12 GMT -6
Drop: Walled Lake Schools, MI (going to MCBA Lakeland instead) Ugh, why. My guess would be that they think it is a little too early in the season and want more of their show done. Perhaps they are going to a regional a little later in the season. I hope. That MCBA competition is next door to them. They could get a Saturday rehearsal before the competition.
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Post by michiganmarching on Apr 1, 2024 7:16:08 GMT -6
My guess would be that they think it is a little too early in the season and want more of their show done. Perhaps they are going to a regional a little later in the season. I hope. That MCBA competition is next door to them. They could get a Saturday rehearsal before the competition. I can almost guarantee that it's this - this regional is VERY early for Michigan bands. The vast majority of our competitive programs do not go out this early in the season. Not saying it's right, but a lot of programs in this state don't like taking partially finished products to judged contests. And depending on if your district has a start waiver, we've only been in school two weeks minimum (3 or 4 if you have a before labor day waiver from the state department of ed). Also wouldn't look for WL on any other regional calendars - they have three weekends off - WLC homecoming, WLW homecoming, and Yom Kippur. Which leaves the 10/19 as their only qualifying contest for state prelims the following weekend.
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Post by boahistorybuff on Apr 1, 2024 17:29:38 GMT -6
My guess would be that they think it is a little too early in the season and want more of their show done. Perhaps they are going to a regional a little later in the season. I hope. That MCBA competition is next door to them. They could get a Saturday rehearsal before the competition. I can almost guarantee that it's this - this regional is VERY early for Michigan bands. The vast majority of our competitive programs do not go out this early in the season. Not saying it's right, but a lot of programs in this state don't like taking partially finished products to judged contests. And depending on if your district has a start waiver, we've only been in school two weeks minimum (3 or 4 if you have a before labor day waiver from the state department of ed). Also wouldn't look for WL on any other regional calendars - they have three weekends off - WLC homecoming, WLW homecoming, and Yom Kippur. Which leaves the 10/19 as their only qualifying contest for state prelims the following weekend. This makes a lot sense. I have wished for many many years that the Toledo regional would be later into October. If you wonder why PCEP only has 5 BOA regional titles tundet their belt, one of the big reasons is that this regional has usually been an early season regional.
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Post by ohioguy2 on Apr 2, 2024 10:10:37 GMT -6
My guess would be that they think it is a little too early in the season and want more of their show done. Perhaps they are going to a regional a little later in the season. I hope. That MCBA competition is next door to them. They could get a Saturday rehearsal before the competition. I’m not sure if it is part of the reason, but Dave Rogers, the director of the Walled Lake Marching Band and director at Walled Lake Central, is retiring at the end of the school year. I don’t know if there is an obvious “heir apparent” or if they will doing a search.
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Post by boahistorybuff on Apr 2, 2024 16:07:26 GMT -6
My guess would be that they think it is a little too early in the season and want more of their show done. Perhaps they are going to a regional a little later in the season. I hope. That MCBA competition is next door to them. They could get a Saturday rehearsal before the competition. I’m not sure if it is part of the reason, but Dave Rogers, the director of the Walled Lake Marching Band and director at Walled Lake Central, is retiring at the end of the school year. I don’t know if there is an obvious “heir apparent” or if they will doing a search. I did not hear that. Dave Rogers has done a lot at Walled Lake. In fact he brought the Walled Lake Central marching band to prominence years back. I am sure he will be missed. Walled Lake is a big district with a strong music program. I am sure they will find a suitable replacement.
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Post by statechamp1239 on Apr 12, 2024 17:50:48 GMT -6
Drop:
Grand Blanc H.S., MI - (GBMB Rehearsal)
Source: GBHS Band Calendar
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Post by statechamp1239 on Apr 15, 2024 16:07:42 GMT -6
OMG! Surprising guest coming:
Can I get three random 7 letter words for each person. Let's have fun with little bit of somewhat Wordle.
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Post by cybrunette on Apr 15, 2024 16:19:46 GMT -6
OMG! Surprising guest coming: Can I get three 7 letter words for each person. Let's have fun with little bit of somewhat Wordle. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ If by guest you mean a band, then I'll guess Fishers?
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Post by statechamp1239 on Apr 15, 2024 16:23:58 GMT -6
OMG! Surprising guest coming: Can I get three 7 letter words for each person. Let's have fun with little bit of somewhat Wordle. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ If by guest you mean a band, then I'll guess Fishers? No it's not them. I just meet 3 random 7 letter words.
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Post by statechamp1239 on Apr 15, 2024 16:28:17 GMT -6
OMG! Surprising guest coming: Can I get three 7 letter words for each person. Let's have fun with little bit of somewhat Wordle. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ If by guest you mean a band, then I'll guess Fishers? So like this F I S H E R SF, I, H in the not in the word, but S,E,R is
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Post by cybrunette on Apr 15, 2024 16:33:16 GMT -6
If by guest you mean a band, then I'll guess Fishers? So like this F I S H E R SF, I, H in the not in the word, but S,E,R is Haha yeah I've played it a few times. Aside from the double S it was at least a decent word for me thinking it was supposed to be a bands name. I'm sure someone else will get it
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Post by statechamp1239 on Apr 15, 2024 16:37:33 GMT -6
So like this F I S H E R SF, I, H in the not in the word, but S,E,R is Haha yeah I've played it a few times. Aside from the double S it was at least a decent word for it being a bands name. I'm sure someone else will get it Oh! I made mistake it's just one s. I added a 's to the original word by accident. I fixed it up top. The name the schools is little crazy. I'll give hints if u really need it.
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Post by hewhowaits on Apr 15, 2024 16:40:10 GMT -6
If your first "s" were green (like in Wordle) then the obvious answer would be Western.
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Post by statechamp1239 on Apr 15, 2024 16:44:06 GMT -6
If your first "s" were green (like in Wordle) then the obvious answer would be Western. W E S T E R N
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Post by hewhowaits on Apr 15, 2024 16:48:33 GMT -6
If your first "s" were green (like in Wordle) then the obvious answer would be Western. W E S T E R NWebster
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Post by statechamp1239 on Apr 15, 2024 16:50:31 GMT -6
Yes Confirmed: Webster H.S., NY - (BOA Toledo Trip) Source: WHS Band Calendar History:
2-time Grand National finalist back in 1993, 1997, and 3-time Semifinalist from 1996-1997, 1999 Came close to winning 2 Regionals1997 Morgantown, WV Regional: 2nd place - (87.60) behind Kiski Area, PA (88.80) 1994 Morgantown, WV Regional: 2nd place - (85.80) behind Westerville South, OH (86.10) The last time they competed in BOA Regional was back in 2018 Bowling Green Regional where they placed 23rd/25 bands Placing 2nd in 2023 NYSFBC LS2 States91.150 - Hicksville 90.750 - WebsterThey also won IV Open in the USBands Marine Corps Invitational in MD on Oct. 14, 2023 it was raining pretty heavily in the beginning, so a lot of groups dropped btw. Hillsborough, NJ - 86.000 (V Open) Webster, NY - 84.900 ( IV Open) West Genesee, NY - 84.900 (V Open) Calvert Hall College, MD - 84.900 (II Open) Lightridge, VA - 82.600 (V Open) Placing 4th in 2023 NYSFBC LS2 States89.450 - Hicksville 88.700 - Kingston 88.300 - West Seneca 86.850 - WebsterWon in 2021 NYSFBC LS2 States 90.800 - Webster89.150 - West Seneca
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Post by thewho on Apr 15, 2024 16:56:03 GMT -6
W H A T A B O U T W E B S T E R
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Post by altosandclarinets on Apr 17, 2024 5:02:53 GMT -6
Update yall; Somehow My nosey self has now gotten to know the shows of like half the Indiana bands. Including the few that are going to Toledo. Let’s just say it will be interesting… Also Websters coming?!!
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Post by yayband914 on Apr 17, 2024 8:21:28 GMT -6
Update yall; Somehow My nosey self has now gotten to know the shows of like half the Indiana bands. Including the few that are going to Toledo. Let’s just say it will be interesting… Also Websters coming?!! Neato.
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Post by mtnxdrew on Apr 17, 2024 18:30:23 GMT -6
Based on previous years, Jenison’s show arrangement for 2024 should be released soon. Lets just say I’m a little excited.
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Post by altosandclarinets on Apr 17, 2024 18:54:55 GMT -6
Based on previous years, Jenison’s show arrangement for 2024 should be released soon. Lets just say I’m a little excited. Same. Last time I saw them in person was Toledo 2022. I hope they are just as good or have improved!!
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Post by mtnxdrew on Apr 17, 2024 19:00:07 GMT -6
Based on previous years, Jenison’s show arrangement for 2024 should be released soon. Lets just say I’m a little excited. Same. Last time I saw them in person was Toledo 2022. I hope they are just as good or have improved!! They are. IMO, 2023 was stronger than 2022, and 2022 was VERY good.
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