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Post by bigtrombone on Dec 20, 2023 9:55:27 GMT -6
The 2024 Central Ohio Regional will be held Sept. 21 at Fortress Obetz in Obetz, OH.
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Post by yayband914 on Dec 20, 2023 10:12:43 GMT -6
As always, take all "Confirmed" bands with a grain of salt until the official BOA attendance lists are released in the summer.
Ensembles denoted with a double asterisk (**) have attended this regional for at least three out of the last four years, and should be considered as likely or very likely to be here.
Confirmed (10): Campbell County H.S., KY Crestwood H.S., OH Dixie Heights H.S., KY Hamilton H.S., OH Kiski Area H.S., PA Lakota West H.S., OH Lindbergh H.S., MO Oak Hills H.S., OH St. Edward H.S., OH Westfield H.S., IN
Potential/Rumored: Archbishop Carroll H.S., OH Beavercreek H.S., OH Bellbrook H.S., OH** Dublin Coffman H.S., OH Fairfield H.S., OH George Rogers Clark H.S., KY Grayson County H.S., KY Greenon Jr./Sr. H.S., OH Heath H.S., OH Hilliard Bradley H.S., OH** LaRue County H.S., KY Louisville Male H.S., KY New Philadelphia H.S., OH Norton H.S., OH O'Fallon Township H.S., IL Olentangy H.S., OH Parkersburg South H.S., WV South Point H.S., OH** Walter E. Stebbins H.S., OH** Warren Local H.S., OH
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Post by bigtrombone on Dec 20, 2023 13:36:05 GMT -6
Rumored:
Loveland H.S., CO (BOA Trip TBA - Calendar, a little more doubtful on this one)
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Post by neop on Dec 20, 2023 21:51:03 GMT -6
I'd say Olentangy H.S., OH is possible, as they have an open weekend here.
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Post by came on Dec 28, 2023 12:14:38 GMT -6
DeWitt MI has a "bands of America regional" on their calendar on the 28th, I'm guessing they aren't going to Texas or Iowa so it might be this?
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Post by neop on Dec 28, 2023 12:40:30 GMT -6
DeWitt MI has a "bands of America regional" on their calendar on the 28th, I'm guessing they aren't going to Texas or Iowa so it might be this? I counted it out because the date is wrong, but it's possible. I thought they might be going to the Louisville regional, which doesn't have a date set yet.
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Post by came on Dec 28, 2023 13:05:12 GMT -6
DeWitt MI has a "bands of America regional" on their calendar on the 28th, I'm guessing they aren't going to Texas or Iowa so it might be this? I counted it out because the date is wrong, but it's possible. I thought they might be going to the Louisville regional, which doesn't have a date set yet. I completely forgot about louisville, that makes way more sense
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Post by aiden on Dec 28, 2023 17:59:37 GMT -6
Based off of the day this regional is on I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Beavercreek attends
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Post by lostinthebands on Dec 31, 2023 12:30:28 GMT -6
Based off of the day this regional is on I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Beavercreek attends I’d believe it! This does tend to be a regional they attend - will most likely see other similar strength bands such as Miamisburg and Worthington Kilbourne attend. Also, could we see Noblesville return after a few years to shake things up after a shocking appearance in Indy Super Regional Finals?
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Post by aiden on Dec 31, 2023 20:12:08 GMT -6
Based off of the day this regional is on I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Beavercreek attends I’d believe it! This does tend to be a regional they attend - will most likely see other similar strength bands such as Miamisburg and Worthington Kilbourne attend. Also, could we see Noblesville return after a few years to shake things up after a shocking appearance in Indy Super Regional Finals? I kinda want Centerville or William Mason to attend just to see what'd happen
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Post by lostinthebands on Jan 1, 2024 9:48:50 GMT -6
I’d believe it! This does tend to be a regional they attend - will most likely see other similar strength bands such as Miamisburg and Worthington Kilbourne attend. Also, could we see Noblesville return after a few years to shake things up after a shocking appearance in Indy Super Regional Finals? I kinda want Centerville or William Mason to attend just to see what'd happen Centerville is definitely possible…not sure about William Mason. Based on how they structure their drill learning and putting into a production quality show, they tend to wait until late season to display their work. Who knows, maybe they’ll switch it up. Centerville would be fun though! A matchup between them and the reigning champs Lakota West would be really fun to watch, essentially since they dance around each other in placements as of late.
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Post by aiden on Jan 1, 2024 14:24:37 GMT -6
I kinda want Centerville or William Mason to attend just to see what'd happen Centerville is definitely possible…not sure about William Mason. Based on how they structure their drill learning and putting into a production quality show, they tend to wait until late season to display their work. Who knows, maybe they’ll switch it up. Centerville would be fun though! A matchup between them and the reigning champs Lakota West would be really fun to watch, essentially since they dance around each other in placements as of late. I'd also love to see Forest Hills or Kiski Area attend
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Post by ccbop on Jan 1, 2024 20:25:17 GMT -6
Centerville is definitely possible…not sure about William Mason. Based on how they structure their drill learning and putting into a production quality show, they tend to wait until late season to display their work. Who knows, maybe they’ll switch it up. Centerville would be fun though! A matchup between them and the reigning champs Lakota West would be really fun to watch, essentially since they dance around each other in placements as of late. I'd also love to see Forest Hills or Kiski Area attend Since Louisville might be pushed a week or two I would love to see Campbell go back and see how they do.
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Post by lostinthebands on Jan 1, 2024 22:10:07 GMT -6
If I had to make a list of bands I’d like to see here/return here for a matchup:
Lakota West (champion potential) Campbell County Centerville (champion potential) Kiski Area (champion potential) Madison Central Noblesville Decatur Central Miamisburg Worthington Kilbourne Homestead (champion potential) Norton
Definitely some others, but those would definitely be the bunch that come to mind first! One of these days I’ll make a “hypotheticals prediction” but hey, it’s January 1st, not going to get ahead of myself.
ALSO. are these bands all going to be there? Definitely not. Kiski doesn’t seem to have plans returning, Lakota is keeping their 3-peat groove going, and Centerville has seemed to avoid this competition like the plague. This year could be a mix up! Wouldn’t be surprised to see familiar faces leave and new groups arrive.
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Post by statechamp1239 on Jan 1, 2024 23:20:10 GMT -6
If I had to make a list of bands I’d like to see here/return here for a matchup: Lakota West (champion potential) Campbell County Centerville (champion potential) Kiski Area (champion potential) Madison Central Noblesville Decatur Central Miamisburg Worthington Kilbourne Homestead (champion potential) Norton Definitely some others, but those would definitely be the bunch that come to mind first! One of these days I’ll make a “hypotheticals prediction” but hey, it’s January 1st, not going to get ahead of myself. ALSO. are these bands all going to be there? Definitely not. Kiski doesn’t seem to have plans returning, Lakota is keeping their 3-peat groove going, and Centerville has seemed to avoid this competition like the plague. This year could be a mix up! Wouldn’t be surprised to see familiar faces leave and new groups arrive. I would also love to see: - Larry A. Ryle KY - Lockport Township IL - Marian Catholic IL - Beechwood KY - Forest Hills OH - Dublin Jerome/Coffman OH - Louisville Male KY - Cabel Midland/Hurricane (WV) - Since Lindbergh came I would love to see Washington (MO) since WHS is closer to Obetz - Walled Lake Schools MI if they have homecoming on Toledo, but could possibly have homecoming this week so idk - Adair County KY they had a big jump compared to 2022 I know they probably won't go, but Grove City (OH)
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Post by aiden on Jan 2, 2024 2:02:02 GMT -6
If I had to make a list of bands I’d like to see here/return here for a matchup: Lakota West (champion potential) Campbell County Centerville (champion potential) Kiski Area (champion potential) Madison Central Noblesville Decatur Central Miamisburg Worthington Kilbourne Homestead (champion potential) Norton Definitely some others, but those would definitely be the bunch that come to mind first! One of these days I’ll make a “hypotheticals prediction” but hey, it’s January 1st, not going to get ahead of myself. ALSO. are these bands all going to be there? Definitely not. Kiski doesn’t seem to have plans returning, Lakota is keeping their 3-peat groove going, and Centerville has seemed to avoid this competition like the plague. This year could be a mix up! Wouldn’t be surprised to see familiar faces leave and new groups arrive. I would also love to see: - Larry A. Ryle KY - Lockport Township IL - Marian Catholic IL - Beechwood KY - Forest Hills OH - Dublin Jerome/Coffman OH - Louisville Male KY - Cabel Midland/Hurricane (WV) - Since Lindbergh came I would love to see Washington (MO) since WHS is closer to Obetz - Walled Lake Schools MI if they have homecoming on Toledo, but could possibly have homecoming this week so idk - Adair County KY they had a big jump compared to 2022 I know they probably won't go, but Grove City (OH) Grove City would destroy most of the bands in the music caption
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Post by statechamp1239 on Jan 2, 2024 7:52:22 GMT -6
I would also love to see: - Larry A. Ryle KY - Lockport Township IL - Marian Catholic IL - Beechwood KY - Forest Hills OH - Dublin Jerome/Coffman OH - Louisville Male KY - Cabel Midland/Hurricane (WV) - Since Lindbergh came I would love to see Washington (MO) since WHS is closer to Obetz - Walled Lake Schools MI if they have homecoming on Toledo, but could possibly have homecoming this week so idk - Adair County KY they had a big jump compared to 2022 I know they probably won't go, but Grove City (OH) Grove City would destroy most of the bands in the music caption That's what I'm saying it would be awesome.
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Post by neop on Jan 2, 2024 8:20:00 GMT -6
Grove City won’t be here, as they’re hosting their own OMEA competition on this date. They’re busy on the days of Toledo and Indy, too. We probably won’t see them in BOA this year.
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Post by trumpet300 on Jan 2, 2024 9:28:52 GMT -6
I would also love to see: - Larry A. Ryle KY - Lockport Township IL - Marian Catholic IL - Beechwood KY - Forest Hills OH - Dublin Jerome/Coffman OH - Louisville Male KY - Cabel Midland/Hurricane (WV) - Since Lindbergh came I would love to see Washington (MO) since WHS is closer to Obetz - Walled Lake Schools MI if they have homecoming on Toledo, but could possibly have homecoming this week so idk - Adair County KY they had a big jump compared to 2022 I know they probably won't go, but Grove City (OH) Grove City would destroy most of the bands in the music caption Maybe they would beat some of the bottom half bands but if we are talking about Homestead, Kiski, Lakota, Centerville being there, Grove city isn't going to be anywhere near those groups in Music.
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Jan 2, 2024 12:02:59 GMT -6
Grove City would destroy most of the bands in the music caption Maybe they would beat some of the bottom half bands but if we are talking about Homestead, Kiski, Lakota, Centerville being there, Grove City isn't going to be anywhere near those groups in Music. While I might not have used the word "destroy," it is true that in the music performance caption, Grove City (8th) finished one-tenth behind Fishers (7th), tied Lawrence Township, and scored ahead of Centerville (10th), Center Grove (11th), Homestead (12th), Brownsburg (13th), and North Hardin (14th) in prelims at BOA's Indianapolis Super Regional in 2019 (they did especially well with the individual music performance judge, who even scored them above Carmel). In that category, Grove City really is that good and long has been. (As for the other two bands you mention: Grove City last competed against Lakota West in an OMEA show in 2017, beating them in music and all categories (well, they tied in percussion, which was then included in the overall score); Lakota West would go on to score 35th in music and 36th overall with a score of 81.15 in their first-ever Grand Nationals appearance four weeks later; that said, Lakota West had beaten Grove City in OMEA shows at Anderson in 2010 and Shawnee in 2014, I believe (I would love to see the scores from those two shows, especially the first). If you meant Lakota East, they were 33rd in music performance at the 2019 Indianapolis contest. And I don't know if Grove City has ever faced Kiski.) And while past performance is no guarantee of future results, Grove City has kept up their musical chops post-pandemic, in my opinion. But for reasons unclear to me, starting in 2019, Grove City has marched less (and marched and played a lot less) than they used to, and that, in addition to their rather old-fashioned guard program, would, um, destroy their overall score at any BOA event. They were 27th overall at that 2019 super regional.
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Post by trumpet300 on Jan 2, 2024 14:34:19 GMT -6
Maybe they would beat some of the bottom half bands but if we are talking about Homestead, Kiski, Lakota, Centerville being there, Grove City isn't going to be anywhere near those groups in Music. While I might not have used the word "destroy," it is true that in the music performance caption, Grove City (8th) finished one-tenth behind Fishers (7th), tied Lawrence Township, and scored ahead of Centerville (10th), Center Grove (11th), Homestead (12th), Brownsburg (13th), and North Hardin (14th) in prelims at BOA's Indianapolis Super Regional in 2019 (they did especially well with the individual music performance judge, who even scored them above Carmel). In that category, Grove City really is that good and long has been. (As for the other two bands you mention: Grove City last competed against Lakota West in an OMEA show in 2017, beating them in music and all categories (well, they tied in percussion, which was then included in the overall score); Lakota West would go on to score 35th in music and 36th overall with a score of 81.15 in their first-ever Grand Nationals appearance four weeks later; that said, Lakota West had beaten Grove City in OMEA shows at Anderson in 2010 and Shawnee in 2014, I believe (I would love to see the scores from those two shows, especially the first). If you meant Lakota East, they were 33rd in music performance at the 2019 Indianapolis contest. And I don't know if Grove City has ever faced Kiski.) And while past performance is no guarantee of future results, Grove City has kept up their musical chops post-pandemic, in my opinion. But for reasons unclear to me, starting in 2019, Grove City has marched less (and marched and played a lot less) than they used to, and that, in addition to their rather old-fashioned guard program, would, um, destroy their overall score at any BOA event. They were 27th overall at that 2019 super regional. I'm not saying that they aren't good players or that their achievements didn't occur, but it was 2019 which was 5 seasons ago, it was prelims at the event and prelims scores are not as reliable in terms of comparing bands directly due to panel differences and performance times. At that same show, other than Avon, none of the bands that beat Carmel in that caption held onto their placement in the night show when being directly compared. I will say it is impressive to score that close to those bands but I think in a direct comparison by the same panel in a reasonable time frame would yield very different results.
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Jan 2, 2024 18:36:29 GMT -6
While I might not have used the word "destroy," it is true that in the music performance caption, Grove City (8th) finished one-tenth behind Fishers (7th), tied Lawrence Township, and scored ahead of Centerville (10th), Center Grove (11th), Homestead (12th), Brownsburg (13th), and North Hardin (14th) in prelims at BOA's Indianapolis Super Regional in 2019 (they did especially well with the individual music performance judge, who even scored them above Carmel).... I'm not saying that they aren't good players or that their achievements didn't occur, but it was 2019 which was 5 seasons ago, it was prelims at the event and prelims scores are not as reliable in terms of comparing bands directly due to panel differences and performance times. At that same show, other than Avon, none of the bands that beat Carmel in that caption held onto their placement in the night show when being directly compared. I will say it is impressive to score that close to those bands but I think in a direct comparison by the same panel in a reasonable time frame would yield very different results. Fair enough. As I said, past is not necessarily prologue. And we just don't have any more recent events for which we can compare Grove City to the other bands you list, and we're unlikely to get that opportunity any time soon. (And even if we did, what would it prove? Suppose Grove City ends up going to BOA event in fall 2025 and once again musically outscores some of the bands mentioned above. That would tell us nothing definitive about whether the comparisons we're making now in January 2024 are correct.) That said, I don't think the 2019 results are particularly anomalous. Panel differences and performance times don't matter much for the purposes of this discussion, because Grove City performed in the same block as Avon, Carmel, Lawrence Township, Centerville, and Center Grove. (In fact, Grove City went on right before Lawrence Township, with whom they tied in music.) After watching Grove City's performance, other reliable people on these forums said of the band's musical effort that they "played beautifully, and some crazy challenging stuff," that "the talent is tremendous ... I hope the performance scores translate to squeezing out some GE points," and that the band would likely receive "music performance numbers in or close to finals." But those same folks added that there was "almost no visual demand or visual GE," that "their show was otherwise pretty milquetoast" with a puny guard, and that their overall placement was likely to be 20th-25th. I myself predicted here after watching that Friday block that Grove City would end up sixth in music among the bands who played that day and that their overall placement (for both days) would be at least ten places lower than their overall music placement. Well, they ended up (tied for) fifth musically among Friday's bands, and as previously noted, their overall placement was nearly twenty places behind their music placement. Now just because something is widely agreed upon doesn't make it true, but if we're talking artistic opinion, I think it makes it reasonable. Was the judgement of that 2019 prelims panel a fluke compared to the finals of that event? As noted, the panel had them Grove City in music performance with Lawrence Township: specifically they were tied for third behind Avon (by 0.85), Carmel (by 0.7) and ahead of Homestead (by 0.1), North Hardin (by 0.5), Mustang (by 0.82), and Center Grove (by 0.9) -- I should note that I'm only comparing Grove City here to bands in that panel who made Finals, as they did not. In the Finals, Avon doubled their musical spread over Carmel, and Carmel's musical spread over those other five bands held steady or increased by a few tenths, but the music gap between Lawrence Township and Homestead only changed by half a tenth. Then a few weeks later at Grand Nationals, those two bands would tie musically at twelfth in Semifinals (with Homestead advancing to Finals and taking the tenth spot both in music and overall). If anything, the 2019 results suggest (but do not prove) that Grove City had by then shown a remarkable musical consistency for more than 15 years, or perhaps that they'd been declining very, very slowly in that regard. In their previous BOA appearance fourteen years earlier, they placed fourth overall and third in music at the BOA Pontiac Regional in 2005, which was musically behind Centerville (by 0.25) and Plymouth-Canton (by 0.10) but ahead of Kiski Area (that answers my earlier question) and Reeths-Puffer. Of the bands at that event, Plymouth-Canton and Centerville would go on to make Finals at Grand Nationals, with Centerville musically outscoring the musically twelfth-place band by 0.3 in Semifinals and 0.6 in Finals. Three years earlier in 2002, Grove City placed fifth overall and first in music at the BOA Louisville Regional. That means they were musically ahead of Carmel (by 0.4), Lawrence Central (by 0.85), Center Grove, Louisville Male, Lawrence North, and Avon, i.e., outplaying three bands who would qualify for the top half of Grand Nationals Finals that year. To be sure, Grove City in both of those years probably had a show that was designed to peak well before Grand Nationals. But I think we can roughly estimate that referring only to musical performance, they had a clear Finals-worthy show in 2002 and a Finals-bubble show in 2005 and 2019. More or less. And how are they five years later? Speaking just for myself: in 2023, I saw every notable Ohio high school competition band except Lakota East ( edit: and West Clermont) in person, most of them more than once, and I think that only William Mason could be confident about besting Grove City in music scores, although Centerville and the Lakotas would have a shot.
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Post by trumpet300 on Jan 2, 2024 19:27:11 GMT -6
I'm not saying that they aren't good players or that their achievements didn't occur, but it was 2019 which was 5 seasons ago, it was prelims at the event and prelims scores are not as reliable in terms of comparing bands directly due to panel differences and performance times. At that same show, other than Avon, none of the bands that beat Carmel in that caption held onto their placement in the night show when being directly compared. I will say it is impressive to score that close to those bands but I think in a direct comparison by the same panel in a reasonable time frame would yield very different results. Fair enough. As I said, past is not necessarily prologue. And we just don't have any more recent events for which we can compare Grove City to the other bands you list, and we're unlikely to get that opportunity any time soon. (And even if we did, what would it prove? Suppose Grove City ends up going to BOA event in fall 2025 and once again musically outscores some of the bands mentioned above. That would tell us nothing definitive about whether the comparisons we're making now in January 2024 are correct.) That said, I don't think the 2019 results are particularly anomalous. Panel differences and performance times don't matter much for the purposes of this discussion, because Grove City performed in the same block as Avon, Carmel, Lawrence Township, Centerville, and Center Grove. (In fact, Grove City went on right before Lawrence Township, with whom they tied in music.) After watching Grove City's performance, other reliable people on these forums said of the band's musical effort that they "played beautifully, and some crazy challenging stuff," that "the talent is tremendous ... I hope the performance scores translate to squeezing out some GE points," and that the band would likely receive "music performance numbers in or close to finals." But those same folks added that there was "almost no visual demand or visual GE," that "their show was otherwise pretty milquetoast" with a puny guard, and that their overall placement was likely to be 20th-25th. I myself predicted here after watching that Friday block that Grove City would end up sixth in music among the bands who played that day and that their overall placement (for both days) would be at least ten places lower than their overall music placement. Well, they ended up (tied for) fifth musically among Friday's bands, and as previously noted, their overall placement was nearly twenty places behind their music placement. Now just because something is widely agreed upon doesn't make it true, but if we're talking artistic opinion, I think it makes it reasonable. Was the judgement of that 2019 prelims panel a fluke compared to the finals of that event? As noted, the panel had them Grove City in music performance with Lawrence Township: specifically they were tied for third behind Avon (by 0.85), Carmel (by 0.7) and ahead of Homestead (by 0.1), North Hardin (by 0.5), Mustang (by 0.82), and Center Grove (by 0.9) -- I should note that I'm only comparing Grove City here to bands in that panel who made Finals, as they did not. In the Finals, Avon doubled their musical spread over Carmel, and Carmel's musical spread over those other five bands held steady or increased by a few tenths, but the music gap between Lawrence Township and Homestead only changed by half a tenth. Then a few weeks later at Grand Nationals, those two bands would tie musically at twelfth in Semifinals (with Homestead advancing to Finals and taking the tenth spot both in music and overall). If anything, the 2019 results suggest (but do not prove) that Grove City had by then shown a remarkable musical consistency for more than 15 years, or perhaps that they'd been declining very, very slowly in that regard. In their previous BOA appearance fourteen years earlier, they placed fourth overall and third in music at the BOA Pontiac Regional in 2005, which was musically behind Centerville (by 0.25) and Plymouth-Canton (by 0.10) but ahead of Kiski Area (that answers my earlier question) and Reeths-Puffer. Of the bands at that event, Plymouth-Canton and Centerville would go on to make Finals at Grand Nationals, with Centerville musically outscoring the musically twelfth-place band by 0.3 in Semifinals and 0.6 in Finals. Three years earlier in 2002, Grove City placed fifth overall and first in music at the BOA Louisville Regional. That means they were musically ahead of Carmel (by 0.4), Lawrence Central (by 0.85), Center Grove, Louisville Male, Lawrence North, and Avon, i.e., outplaying three bands who would qualify for the top half of Grand Nationals Finals that year. To be sure, Grove City in both of those years probably had a show that was designed to peak well before Grand Nationals. But I think we can roughly estimate that referring only to musical performance, they had a clear Finals-worthy show in 2002 and a Finals-bubble show in 2005 and 2019. More or less. And how are they five years later? Speaking just for myself: in 2023, I saw every notable Ohio high school competition band except Lakota East in person, most of them more than once, and I think that only William Mason could be confident about besting Grove City in music scores, although Centerville and the Lakotas would have a shot. Fair enough! I was unaware of their previous BOA experience prior to the 2019 show. I do agree the past is the past and every band is a different band now so again, I don't take too much stock in stuff from that long ago BUT if they have kept up like you've said then I'm sure they would hang right in there with the top in terms of music. I'd have to see them live to make my own choices obviously but I'll trust the forum folks haha.
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Post by statechamp1239 on Jan 2, 2024 23:57:49 GMT -6
Drop:
Miamisburg H.S., OH - (Homecoming - No Competiton)
Source: MHS Band Calendar
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Post by aiden on Jan 3, 2024 1:57:40 GMT -6
Drop: Miamisburg H.S., OH - (Homecoming - No Competiton) Source: MHS Band Calendar that seems quite early for Homecoming
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Post by yayband914 on Jan 3, 2024 9:05:45 GMT -6
Drop: Miamisburg H.S., OH - (Homecoming - No Competiton) Source: MHS Band Calendar that seems quite early for Homecoming It’s not.
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Post by aiden on Jan 3, 2024 14:40:12 GMT -6
that seems quite early for Homecoming It’s not. I'm used to Homecoming being in October
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Post by lostinthebands on Jan 4, 2024 17:34:09 GMT -6
I'm used to Homecoming being in October As crazy as it sounds, I’ve heard of homecoming being the 2nd Friday of the school year(end of August)! I’d tell you why… but I have no idea 😂
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Post by aiden on Jan 5, 2024 17:43:21 GMT -6
I'm used to Homecoming being in October As crazy as it sounds, I’ve heard of homecoming being the 2nd Friday of the school year(end of August)! I’d tell you why… but I have no idea 😂 dang that's early
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Post by neop on Jan 12, 2024 12:59:55 GMT -6
Attending: Campbell County H.S., KY (calendar)
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