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Post by thewho on Sept 22, 2019 6:14:41 GMT -6
And Franklin Central topping everybody. I would be inclined to believe Plainfield on that front, but FC finishing as high as they did makes me doubt how seriously we can take these scores..... Look again. You were looking at the percussion score. Wow, total brain fart. That's what a full day of volunteering does to you. My bad, thanks for catching that. |
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Post by thewho on Sept 22, 2019 6:42:34 GMT -6
I think this week is difficult to use to judge the rest of the season. Everyone is all over the place with what they have on the field. Bands who went BOA this weekend pushed to have more of a complete show. Ben Davis had a lot on the field last night (maybe closer to 10 minutes) while CG is still sitting around 6 not adding any new parts from last week. Some bands this was their first weekend out (Fishers) and others it was their third! I think how the schedule looks for Indiana we won’t see how things start to look until week 6 (right before regionals) or 7 ISSMA regionals. That will be the first time many even compete in the same place.. That's very true. The biggest thing that sank Fishers was the visual performance scores, where they were last in 3 judhed scores. If they all were bumped up to 70, there'd be a score of 71.25 or something like that-that'd be a bit more of a realistic guess if Fishers had performed a bit more. However..... The Music GE scores are not looking good at all. I don't know if it's because of the current content by all bands on the field or whatever, but losing a judge by 4 points to Franklin Central is not a good look. Something to monitor for sure, but not encouraging. I do believe Ben Davis has enough potential to keep pace with CG this season, though. That's the lone exception I have at the moment.... however, the more realistic projection is CG will pull away eventually. BD isn't too far behind CG in terms of quality at this point in the season- they did beat them. |
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Post by bandauntie on Sept 22, 2019 6:50:48 GMT -6
Agreed Ben Davis looked and sounded good last night not doubting that at all! They have a fire under them after not making state last year that is for sure!
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Post by tubamom on Sept 22, 2019 10:38:49 GMT -6
Here's the Avon Invitational recap Have one from the Concord Invite? |
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Post by blastissimo on Sept 22, 2019 12:35:18 GMT -6
Was anyone at Greenwood? Does anyone have any insight based off some performances there? Were there any interesting shows?
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Post by indianabandgeek on Sept 22, 2019 20:05:37 GMT -6
Who's in charge of picking which bands go to which Regionals? I see Bands like Whiteland and Decatur Central are going to the North Regional. All I can say is both are South Side of Indy.
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Post by thewho on Sept 22, 2019 20:09:59 GMT -6
Call me out for being a terrible alumni. My late dues:
North Side's Ed King II has retired after 46 years at the helm. I did not know this until the beginning of the season, unfortunately. His son Aaron King has taken the reins.
Congratulations on 46 years at North Side, Mr. King. You've touched so many lives in the city over your long reign and I hope the outpouring of love you got when you retired was reflective of this. When moving to Fort Wayne from Indianapolis, I chose to go to North Side specifically because you and the band program. I will always be thankful of the 2 years I got to march on Lucas Oil Stadium turf under you. Your retirement is well-deserved after years of your tireless hard work and passion.
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Post by thewho on Sept 22, 2019 22:05:25 GMT -6
Here's the changes from 2018 to 2019 (switching to): Decatur Central (North) Whiteland (North) Noblesville (-) Portage [moving to Scholastic] Jeffersonville [moving to Scholastic] Who's in charge of picking which bands go to which Regionals? I see Bands like Whiteland and Decatur Central are going to the North Regional. All I can say is both are South Side of Indy. It's been a while since I recalled the process, so a few details might be wrong. ISSMA would basically determine distance from each school to the site (Chesterton and Center Grove this year), and slot schools based on closest site. Once that is done, ISSMA wants to ensure an equal enrollment at regionals with no more than 3 bands at either, so they'll move whatever school is closest to the site that needs more bands (e.g. Zookie was assigned Center Grove based on distance. Chesterton needs more bands and they happen to be closest Center Grove band to Chesterton, so ISSMA moves Zookie to Chesterton). There was a rule change a few years ago that makes the host school able to perform at their regional, after one year where Lafayette Jefferson was forced to compete at Ev. Central (I think?) even though they were hosting the northern Class A regional. I can't remember what the criteria exactly was (I think relatively equivalent distance?), but a few schools are offered the option of either site sometimes. So: 1. Distance to closest site2. Equal enrollment (+3 maximum at one site)3. Host school4. Participant choiceEDIT: The procedure has been corrected as such below:1. Participant choice 2. Equal enrollment (+3 maximum at one site) DISCLAIMER: The assignments in this post were based off the striked procedure above. This would have been accurate a couple years ago, before changes in the sign-up process was made. The assignment is outdated, but the information relative to distance is accurate.For this year, the bands would fill out as such, based on only the 1st criteria: Table 1| North (Chesterton) | South (Center Grove) | | Carroll | Avon | | Concord | Brownsburg
| | Goshen | Ben Davis | | Homestead | Carmel
| | Lake Central | Castle | | Penn | Center Grove (host) | | - | Columbus North | | - | Decatur Central | | - | Fishers | | - | Floyd Central | | - | Franklin Central | | - | Hamilton Southeastern | | - | Lawrence Township | | - | Noblesville | | - | Pike | | - | Plainfield | | - | Whiteland | | - | Zionsville |
Ew. Let's try that again, but with the equivalence accounted for. All I did was use Google Maps and found the shortest distance possible: Table 2| North (Chesterton) | South (Center Grove) | | Carroll | Avon | | Concord | Ben Davis
| | Goshen | Carmel | | Homestead | Castle
| | Lake Central | Center Grove (host) | | Penn | Columbus North | | Brownsburg (distance) | Decatur Central | Pike (distance)
| Fishers | Zionsville (distance)
| Floyd Central | | - | Franklin Central | | - | Hamilton Southeastern | | - | Lawrence Township
| | - | Noblesville | | - | Plainfield | | - | Whiteland |
Those 3 are absolutely definite. They will go to the northern regional no matter what. Now, I'm thinking ISSMA went asked the following bands which site they'd like to attend. Center Grove is usually the most preferred regional site, because why drive 3 hours north just to qualify for semi-state? However... is this the case for all bands? Well... no. South Class A regionals has historically been a very difficult contest overall- just look at last year when 14 bands performed. There were some extremely worthy bands that missed out like Decatur Central and Columbus North. In that case, driving for 3 hours north may be a more attractive option instead of extra practice time. Table 3| Band | Distance to Chesterton (mi) | Chesterton or Center Grove? | | Avon | 146 | Center Grove | | Ben Davis | 146 | Center Grove | | Noblesville | 146 | Chesterton | | Carmel | 149 | Center Grove | | Lawrence Township | 151 | Center Grove | | Decatur Central | 152 | Chesterton | | Fishers | 157 | Center Grove | | Plainfield | 158 | Center Grove | | Hamilton Southeastern | 160 | Chesterton | | Franklin Central | 163 | Center Grove | | Whiteland | 170 | Chesterton |
Notice that I left out Castle, Columbus North, and Floyd Central. Obviously, they're south far enough to warrant longer drives than the Indianapolis-area schools. And voila, our final assignments for regionals: Table 4| North (Chesterton) | South (Center Grove) | | Carroll | Avon | | Concord | Ben Davis
| | Goshen | Carmel | | Homestead | Castle
| | Lake Central | Center Grove (host) | | Penn | Columbus North | | Brownsburg (distance) | Fishers
| Pike (distance)
| Floyd Central | Zionsville (distance)
| Franklin Central | | Decatur Central (choice) | Lawrence Township | | Hamilton Southeastern (choice) | Plainfield | | Noblesville (choice) | -
| | Whiteland (choice) | - |
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Post by thewho on Sept 22, 2019 22:11:34 GMT -6
By the way, if you're counting bands, there's 11 at Center Grove this year. 10 advance.
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Post by paddy on Sept 23, 2019 3:37:26 GMT -6
I was under the impression that choice was higher on the list, but it has been a while since I looked at it.
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Post by thewho on Sept 23, 2019 5:55:36 GMT -6
I was under the impression that choice was higher on the list, but it has been a while since I looked at it. It might've been. I was doing this and realized it made more sense offering the option on a few bands. FWIW, all the bands going based on distance don't differ too much in terms of distance either. It's like 6-10 less miles. I went with them being definite north bands simply because they were the closest. |
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Post by indianabandgeek on Sept 23, 2019 6:45:28 GMT -6
That makes more sense. Its crazy how theres going to be 13 bands at the north regional and only 10 Advance. Im gonna go there. Im used to seeing like 13 bands at the South regional.
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Post by thewho on Sept 23, 2019 6:50:59 GMT -6
That makes more sense. Its crazy how theres going to be 13 bands at the north regional and only 10 Advance. Im gonna go there. This isn't an unusual thing, especially in Class A. Enrollment in Open Class has been fairly low with the advent of Scholastic Class pulling off 8-10 programs away from Open. Most years will usually see 10-14 bands in Class A. It's a little different in other classes simply because of the parity, but that's what it's been like. Without Scholastic Class, enrollment was around 13-17 bands in Class A per regional, barring odd years where there 11 bands instead. |
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Post by TeamIndiana on Sept 24, 2019 9:04:56 GMT -6
As we look ahead to this weekend, what shows are you excited for and/or attending?
Personally, I will be heading to Fishers. I'm excited to see Homestead, Avon and Fishers preform back to back (too bad Carmel won't be there!). Should be a great show!
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Sept 24, 2019 9:12:35 GMT -6
As we look ahead to this weekend, what shows are you excited for and/or attending? Personally, I will be heading to Fishers. I'm excited to see Homestead, Avon and Fishers preform back to back (too bad Carmel won't be there!). Should be a great show! This will be an interesting show, though oddly more for the Homestead/Fishers comparison than Avon, in my opinion. Unfortunately we won't get to see that result unless someone from Fishers happens to share their numbers. I'll be interested to hear your impressions. |
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Post by paddy on Sept 24, 2019 9:15:37 GMT -6
As we look ahead to this weekend, what shows are you excited for and/or attending? Personally, I will be heading to Fishers. I'm excited to see Homestead, Avon and Fishers preform back to back (too bad Carmel won't be there!). Should be a great show! I am interested to see how Greenfield fares at BOA Columbus. Not a super deep regional, but the top has some quality. If they can hold up against Kiski, Lakota East and Milford it bodes well for their season. |
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Post by indianabandgeek on Sept 24, 2019 9:41:12 GMT -6
As we look ahead to this weekend, what shows are you excited for and/or attending? Personally, I will be heading to Fishers. I'm excited to see Homestead, Avon and Fishers preform back to back (too bad Carmel won't be there!). Should be a great show! My work has sent me to South Bend. So I am going to be attending Penn. I want to see Decatur Central because I live near the school but I mainly want to see that Amazing trumpet solo from Portage again. |
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Post by blastissimo on Sept 24, 2019 9:42:33 GMT -6
I am excited for the Penn Invitational. I can’t wait to see Concord, Goshen, and Carroll duke it out. Also, looking at the lineup, Decatur Central will be there too. That is truly a sight to see. I almost forgot, we get to see Penn too! Man, I can’t wait for this invitational. We really get to see who is the top dog in the north early on.
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Post by tpetdad304 on Sept 24, 2019 9:43:42 GMT -6
As we look ahead to this weekend, what shows are you excited for and/or attending? Personally, I will be heading to Fishers. I'm excited to see Homestead, Avon and Fishers preform back to back (too bad Carmel won't be there!). Should be a great show! Many would call this a bold prediction, but I bet Homestead scores closer to Avon than to Fishers. Thats my opinion based on last weekend’s results and what I’ve seen so far from each band. I too can not wait to watch all three back to back! Fishers is going to be fun! |
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Post by thewho on Sept 24, 2019 9:44:59 GMT -6
As we look ahead to this weekend, what shows are you excited for and/or attending? Personally, I will be heading to Fishers. I'm excited to see Homestead, Avon and Fishers preform back to back (too bad Carmel won't be there!). Should be a great show! I am interested to see how Greenfield fares at BOA Columbus. Not a super deep regional, but the top has some quality. If they can hold up against Kiski, Lakota East and Milford it bodes well for their season. I don't think GC has enough to match Lakota East or Kiski, but if they can keep pace with Milford, that's a great sign. Top 5 will be also be a good mark too meet- I don't think that'll be particularly too difficult for GC. Bottom 3 is some cause for concern. |
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Post by paddy on Sept 24, 2019 9:53:15 GMT -6
I am interested to see how Greenfield fares at BOA Columbus. Not a super deep regional, but the top has some quality. If they can hold up against Kiski, Lakota East and Milford it bodes well for their season. I don't think GC has enough to match Lakota East or Kiski, but if they can keep pace with Milford, that's a great sign. Top 5 will be also be a good mark too meet- I don't think that'll be particularly too difficult for GC. Bottom 3 is some cause for concern. I agree on matching Lakota or Kiski, I was talking more about keeping the gap close. They were only 6 spots and ~1.6 points behind Milford at Grand Nationals last year so I think the could match or top them. Edited to add: GC beat Milford on 3 judges sheets (Music Ensemble, Visual Ensemble and GE Music 2), beat them in GE Music Total and tied in GE Total. And it was the same judges panel, though I can't tell what block each performed in. Obviously different years, different shows, different venues, etc, but it could be an interesting competition between the two. |
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Sept 25, 2019 7:17:34 GMT -6
I am excited for the Penn Invitational. I can’t wait to see Concord, Goshen, and Carroll duke it out. Also, looking at the lineup, Decatur Central will be there too. That is truly a sight to see. I almost forgot, we get to see Penn too! Man, I can’t wait for this invitational. We really get to see who is the top dog in the north early on. This one is essentially a rematch of Week 1, which I think ended up 1) Carroll 2) Goshen (scored in exhibition), 3) Penn, 4) Concord. (I'm going by what I heard regarding Goshen's score.) This group looms large for a State Finals berth. Very likely only two of these will make it in. |
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Post by indianabandgeek on Sept 25, 2019 7:32:31 GMT -6
I am excited for the Penn Invitational. I can’t wait to see Concord, Goshen, and Carroll duke it out. Also, looking at the lineup, Decatur Central will be there too. That is truly a sight to see. I almost forgot, we get to see Penn too! Man, I can’t wait for this invitational. We really get to see who is the top dog in the north early on. This one is essentially a rematch of Week 1, which I think ended up 1) Carroll 2) Goshen (scored in exhibition), 3) Penn, 4) Concord. (I'm going by what I heard regarding Goshen's score.) This group looms large for a State Finals berth. Very likely only two of these will make it in. In my books, 1. Carroll will move up a spot at state this year should they make it. 2. Goshen will make it to state with a 10th place at finals. 3. Penn should make it if the cards are played right. 4. Concord used to dominate class B and in 2017 moved up to A and settled in for a 5th. 2018. They made state but placed 9th. I have a ton of respect for Concord, but I just dont see them making it this year. If they do Goshen dosent make it. Again. Not trying to be mean. |
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Sept 25, 2019 7:42:48 GMT -6
This one is essentially a rematch of Week 1, which I think ended up 1) Carroll 2) Goshen (scored in exhibition), 3) Penn, 4) Concord. (I'm going by what I heard regarding Goshen's score.) This group looms large for a State Finals berth. Very likely only two of these will make it in. In my books, 1. Carroll will move up a spot at state this year should they make it. 2. Goshen will make it to state with a 10th place at finals. 3. Penn should make it if the cards are played right. 4. Concord used to dominate class B and in 2017 moved up to A and settled in for a 5th. 2018. They made state but placed 9th. I have a ton of respect for Concord, but I just dont see them making it this year. If they do Goshen dosent make it. Again. Not trying to be mean. I've only seen Carroll out of this group, so I can't really predict. But I do think Carroll is more or less a lock just based on my viewing of them in Toldeo. It's really going to be a crowded field trying for a Finals spot: Avon, Carmel, Homestead, Castle, Fishers, Center Grove, Plainfield sure seem like shoo-ins. That's 7. That leaves three from Lawrence Twp, Ben Davis, Carroll, Penn, Goshen, Concord. And that's even ignoring groups Lake Central, Franklin Central (who placed well last weekend), and Brownsburg (who I've heard nothing about). Semistate will be brutal. |
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Post by 70sguardchick on Sept 25, 2019 10:39:12 GMT -6
I've only seen Carroll out of this group, so I can't really predict. But I do think Carroll is more or less a lock just based on my viewing of them in Toldeo. It's really going to be a crowded field trying for a Finals spot: Avon, Carmel, Homestead, Castle, Fishers, Center Grove, Plainfield sure seem like shoo-ins. That's 7. That leaves three from Lawrence Twp, Ben Davis, Carroll, Penn, Goshen, Concord. And that's even ignoring groups Lake Central, Franklin Central (who placed well last weekend), and Brownsburg (who I've heard nothing about). Semistate will be brutal. Brownsburg has been under the radar a bit - they aren't doing any invitationals at all this year. They'll be heading down to Orlando for the BOA competition there, then will be doing Regional, and hopefully Semistate and State, as well as BOA Indy Super Regional and Grand Nats. If you want to see the show before then, they're holding a community night on October 5, with performance at 8:30. |
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Post by paddy on Sept 25, 2019 11:12:26 GMT -6
I've only seen Carroll out of this group, so I can't really predict. But I do think Carroll is more or less a lock just based on my viewing of them in Toldeo. It's really going to be a crowded field trying for a Finals spot: Avon, Carmel, Homestead, Castle, Fishers, Center Grove, Plainfield sure seem like shoo-ins. That's 7. That leaves three from Lawrence Twp, Ben Davis, Carroll, Penn, Goshen, Concord. And that's even ignoring groups Lake Central, Franklin Central (who placed well last weekend), and Brownsburg (who I've heard nothing about). Semistate will be brutal. Brownsburg has been under the radar a bit - they aren't doing any invitationals at all this year. They'll be heading down to Orlando for the BOA competition there, then will be doing Regional, and hopefully Semistate and State, as well as BOA Indy Super Regional and Grand Nats. If you want to see the show before then, they're holding a community night on October 5, with performance at 8:30.  |
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Post by AvonDad on Sept 25, 2019 16:05:33 GMT -6
Brownsburg has been under the radar a bit - they aren't doing any invitationals at all this year. They'll be heading down to Orlando for the BOA competition there, then will be doing Regional, and hopefully Semistate and State, as well as BOA Indy Super Regional and Grand Nats. If you want to see the show before then, they're holding a community night on October 5, with performance at 8:30. I was able to see Brownsburg at their contest for their exhibition. They may end up another contender for state as there were a lot of good things happening in the show. I loved the beginning GE with the guard and the music was there to back it. It was still early in the season and there was room for improvement, but it brought back memories of their first year with their current director. This one really had that Cartwright vibe to it. Semi's are going to be really interesting this year. |
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Post by thewho on Sept 25, 2019 16:36:40 GMT -6
Dependent on Orlando and Indy Super, of course, but right now, I have to wonder why anyone would leave Brownsburg out of the 8-12 range.
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Post by rabb2t on Sept 25, 2019 19:32:37 GMT -6
Excited for the Fishers Invitational this Saturday! There's a lot of heavy hitters coming that'll be fun to watch and compare, especially with Homestead vs. Avon. We won't be able to see Fishers' score for obvious reasons, but we can always make our comparisons.
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Post by tubamom on Sept 25, 2019 20:06:12 GMT -6
Avon, Carmel, Homestead, Castle, Fishers, Center Grove, Plainfield sure seem like shoo-ins. That's 7. That leaves three from Lawrence Twp, Ben Davis, Carroll, Penn, Goshen, Concord. And that's even ignoring groups Lake Central, Franklin Central (who placed well last weekend), and Brownsburg (who I've heard nothing about). Semistate will be brutal.
And this is why I personally think Class A is not as competitive as other classes. Before the season even begins there are some schools locked into the 1-5ish spots. I realize that anything can happen....but....historically speaking.....some schools don't have a chance at seeing finals.  |
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