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Post by IndianaMarchingFan on Sept 30, 2019 12:22:48 GMT -6
I meant to post what I thought about the season so far in B and A about a week ago, but life. Anyway, I'm not surprised at all with Goshen finishing that high. Much stronger than last year. Absolutely one to watch for going into state finals weekend. I would still love to hear what you are thinking. You are definitely in tune with Indiana marching and your opinion is valued by many on here. |
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Post by thewho on Sept 30, 2019 21:16:57 GMT -6
I had a big type-up that was a waste of time, so my tiers in B with thoughts following them. It is ordered. Any bands together with "/" means there's no particular order I had for them.
Greenwood1/Greenfield-Central2
Northview
Jasper/Munster3
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Ev. North/Ev. Harrison/Ev. North/North Side/(Mt. Vernon)
DeKalb/F.J. Reitz/Leo
Bloomington North/Northridge/Plymouth
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Pendleton Heights
New Palestine
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North Side4
Ev. North5
Ev. Harrison
(Mt. Vernon)6
F.J. Reitz
DeKalb
Leo7
Bloomington North
Northridge
Plymouth
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1. Greenwood is the leader of the pack at this point in the season. Again, like I said a few weeks ago, by no means are they a clear leader- I believe Northview and Greenfield-Central are much closer than you think they are.
2. On the topic of Greenfield-Central, they are 3rd on a conditional criteria. The Fishers Invitational overall was fairly depressed as far as scores went- no worries, as Greenfield-Central needed to keep pace at the very least with Franklin Central. If Greenfield-Central was able to get within 1.5-ish points behind Franklin Central, immediately bump them up to Greenwood's level. If not, but still beat Noblesville and Hamilton Southeastern, bump them up to Northview's level. If not.... well, they're a clear 3rd and look to drop them a little more in the coming weeks. I don't have scores for those bands at Fishers, so they're 3rd for that sole reason only.
3. Munster has the capacity to jump up into state contention with the top 3 thus far. They did beat out Decatur Central. They're placed with Jasper for the time being simply because to the lack of a true comparison to accurately compare them to the central Indiana B bands.
4. This is just historical precedence in placing North Side 6th. Whether they have the show to keep them ahead of the rest of the pack is the big question they'll have to answer. I think that will remain the case, but I am much less certain than last year. All 3 Evansville-area bands have strong cases, but not quite enough to be definite.
5. Speaking of Evansville- I think all 3 bands will make state finals, specifically Ev. North, Ev. Harrison, and F.J. Reitz. Reitz lags a tad behind the other 2, but not by a significant degree to keep them out.
6. The biggest disappointment of this season is the fact Mt. Vernon isn't doing Open Class. By any indications, Mt. Vernon has one of the strongest cases yet for state. Please do Open next year.
7. I'm very close to putting Leo in state finals- just exercising caution at this point. Leo has been showing up with very strong, surprising results across the state. Leo's destiny rests at this point on how well finish at Homestead this weekend with North Side and DeKalb. North Side will likely being surging at this point, so either staying within North Side's orbiting or beating will be a terrific sign.
8. Pendleton Heights isn't quite definitely out, the line is a little more fluid in general as a few bands might slide back and others rise.
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Post by thewho on Sept 30, 2019 22:40:44 GMT -6
I had a big type-up that was a waste of time, so my tiers in A with thoughts following them. It is ordered. "/" means relatively similar level.
Carmel1
Avon
Homestead2
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Fishers3/Castle
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Brownsburg/Goshen/Carroll5
Ben Davis6/Concord7
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Penn8/Lawrence Township/Lake Central
Columbus North/Franklin Central9
Zionsville/Whiteland/Decatur Central/Floyd Central10
1. Carmel is a clear #1 for me at this point. Not quite as far ahead like last year, but still ahead. Don't lose faith... Avon can still catch up. Thought this was the case in week 2, still the case.
2. This is by far one of Homestead's best shows yet, perhaps the best since 2014. Anyone thinking Homestead isn't a lock for GN Finals is crazy. I don't know if they'll be moving up the ranks this year, but they're 100% in.
3. I choose to abstain from any serious declarations about Fishers until Indy Super. I've learned my lesson from last year. If you want a hot take, I don't know if Fishers can catch Center Grove.
4. The point still stands about Plainfield seriously straddling the line. Yes, they beat Fishers at the Avon Invitational, but there really isn't quite enough to convince me otherwise given this was Fishers's first performance and Plainfield's 3rd. I think it's impressive that Plainfield is still holding onto this spot 2 weeks later, though, and that's something still worth considering.
5. The 3 between Brownsburg, Goshen, and Carroll are interchangeable. Brownsburg may catch up to Plainfield, but we'll have to wait until Orlando.
6. Again, I don't think Ben Davis is too far behind the trio of Brownsburg, Goshen, and Carroll. There really isn't evidence to suggest as such, so behind them they are.
7. Speak of Concord, be afraid. Be very afraid.
8. While Penn has been behind Carroll and Goshen in the north, I just don't see them getting past Ben Davis or Concord. Weirder things has happened at semi-state before, so don't think they're that far behind.
9. I believe Franklin Central is placed fairly and will remain there for the rest of the season. Columbus North... I'm not sure. They could either hold on or get bumped down. We'll see.
10. I have to say I'm incredibly impressed all around with the improvements of all the bands this year. They all have minor flaws that are holding them back from the Columbus North/Franklin Central tier and beyond (Whiteland and Zionsville). Can't wait to see what will happen next year.
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Post by warehouse314 on Oct 1, 2019 8:28:26 GMT -6
Don't know if this has already been mentioned but the Carmel Marching Band is holding their annual "Community Night" this Friday, October 4th, from 5:00 - 9:00 pm. Tickets are $5, kids 6 and under are free.
From 5:00 - 8:00 pm there will be 18 food trucks, music, games, etc. as well as a "Car Raffle" fundraiser. Tickets for the raffle are $20, 3 for $50, 7 for $100.
The Carmel Marching Band will do a presentation of their complete show ("Eternal Beloved") starting at 8:00 pm. They typically do a couple of run throughs, but prior to that they will perform the show in sections, while Head Director (Chris Kreke) gives an overview of what is taking place.
It's a pretty cool event... if you happen to live in the central Indiana area and have some free time you might want to check it out.
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Post by 70sguardchick on Oct 1, 2019 10:12:12 GMT -6
Brownsburg will be presenting a community performance of their show, "Twisted" this Saturday, Oct. 5 at 8:30pm. Admission is free.
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Post by 18Saxes on Oct 1, 2019 10:55:48 GMT -6
I'll be attending both! Excited
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Post by indianabandgeek on Oct 3, 2019 6:55:41 GMT -6
My buddy who was gonna watch the BOA Muncie regional with me said hes no logner coming so ill be heading to the South Port ISSMA festival. I normally wouldnt go to something like this but I want to be there because those kids in festival class deserve recognition as well, then I will make my way to Muncie for BOA Muncie finals.
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Post by LeanderMomma on Oct 3, 2019 11:22:51 GMT -6
Don't know if this has already been mentioned but the Carmel Marching Band is holding their annual "Community Night" this Friday, October 4th, from 5:00 - 9:00 pm. Tickets are $5, kids 6 and under are free. From 5:00 - 8:00 pm there will be 18 food trucks, music, games, etc. as well as a "Car Raffle" fundraiser. Tickets for the raffle are $20, 3 for $50, 7 for $100. The Carmel Marching Band will do a presentation of their complete show ("Eternal Beloved") starting at 8:00 pm. They typically do a couple of run throughs, but prior to that they will perform the show in sections, while Head Director (Chris Kreke) gives an overview of what is taking place. It's a pretty cool event... if you happen to live in the central Indiana area and have some free time you might want to check it out. A raffle for a car?! Wow! That's some generous donors right there! |
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Post by IndianaMarchingFan on Oct 3, 2019 11:35:53 GMT -6
Don't know if this has already been mentioned but the Carmel Marching Band is holding their annual "Community Night" this Friday, October 4th, from 5:00 - 9:00 pm. Tickets are $5, kids 6 and under are free. From 5:00 - 8:00 pm there will be 18 food trucks, music, games, etc. as well as a "Car Raffle" fundraiser. Tickets for the raffle are $20, 3 for $50, 7 for $100. The Carmel Marching Band will do a presentation of their complete show ("Eternal Beloved") starting at 8:00 pm. They typically do a couple of run throughs, but prior to that they will perform the show in sections, while Head Director (Chris Kreke) gives an overview of what is taking place. It's a pretty cool event... if you happen to live in the central Indiana area and have some free time you might want to check it out. A raffle for a car?! Wow! That's some generous donors right there! Yes! It is a huge fundraiser for the program and it is quite popular with the Carmel / Indy community! It is pretty awesome. |
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Oct 3, 2019 11:45:11 GMT -6
A raffle for a car?! Wow! That's some generous donors right there! Especially for an impoverished area like Carmel. |
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Post by paddy on Oct 3, 2019 11:52:51 GMT -6
Don't know if this has already been mentioned but the Carmel Marching Band is holding their annual "Community Night" this Friday, October 4th, from 5:00 - 9:00 pm. Tickets are $5, kids 6 and under are free. From 5:00 - 8:00 pm there will be 18 food trucks, music, games, etc. as well as a "Car Raffle" fundraiser. Tickets for the raffle are $20, 3 for $50, 7 for $100. The Carmel Marching Band will do a presentation of their complete show ("Eternal Beloved") starting at 8:00 pm. They typically do a couple of run throughs, but prior to that they will perform the show in sections, while Head Director (Chris Kreke) gives an overview of what is taking place. It's a pretty cool event... if you happen to live in the central Indiana area and have some free time you might want to check it out. A raffle for a car?! Wow! That's some generous donors right there! I have run car raffles before and if this is similar, the car isn't donated. It is purchased at a severely discounted price and is only given away if the ticket sales reach a certain point. I looked at the rules and there must be 3,000 tickets sold. At the cheapest ticket price, that is is gross sales of $42,857. At the highest ticket price it is gross sales of $60,000. They are only selling 7,500 tickets, but if they sell them all at the cheapest price it is $107,142 and at the most expensive price it is $150,000. The rules state if you win the Grand Prize, you can either take $25,000 cash (again if the minimum ticket # is reached) or purchase a Mini or BMW from a local dealer with a value of up to $35,000. Carmel is probably on the hook for $25,000 of that value. Here are the Carmel rules if you want to dig in to the nitty gritty - carmelbands.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/2019-Raffle-Rules-7-10-2019.pdf With all of that said, Carmel is one of the few athletic or band booster groups in Central Indiana, that I know of, that has successfully given away the Grand Prize. |
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Post by LeanderMomma on Oct 3, 2019 14:07:41 GMT -6
A raffle for a car?! Wow! That's some generous donors right there! I have run car raffles before and if this is similar, the car isn't donated. It is purchased at a severely discounted price and is only given away if the ticket sales reach a certain point. I looked at the rules and there must be 3,000 tickets sold. At the cheapest ticket price, that is is gross sales of $42,857. At the highest ticket price it is gross sales of $60,000. They are only selling 7,500 tickets, but if they sell them all at the cheapest price it is $107,142 and at the most expensive price it is $150,000. The rules state if you win the Grand Prize, you can either take $25,000 cash (again if the minimum ticket # is reached) or purchase a Mini or BMW from a local dealer with a value of up to $35,000. Carmel is probably on the hook for $25,000 of that value. Here are the Carmel rules if you want to dig in to the nitty gritty - carmelbands.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/2019-Raffle-Rules-7-10-2019.pdf With all of that said, Carmel is one of the few athletic or band booster groups in Central Indiana, that I know of, that has successfully given away the Grand Prize. Ahhhh...that makes a lot more sense! |
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Post by LeanderMomma on Oct 3, 2019 14:08:20 GMT -6
A raffle for a car?! Wow! That's some generous donors right there! Especially for an impoverished area like Carmel. Yeah, it's probably an old clunker or something.  |
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Post by warehouse314 on Oct 3, 2019 16:27:25 GMT -6
A raffle for a car?! Wow! That's some generous donors right there! I have run car raffles before and if this is similar, the car isn't donated. It is purchased at a severely discounted price and is only given away if the ticket sales reach a certain point. I looked at the rules and there must be 3,000 tickets sold. At the cheapest ticket price, that is is gross sales of $42,857. At the highest ticket price it is gross sales of $60,000. They are only selling 7,500 tickets, but if they sell them all at the cheapest price it is $107,142 and at the most expensive price it is $150,000. The rules state if you win the Grand Prize, you can either take $25,000 cash (again if the minimum ticket # is reached) or purchase a Mini or BMW from a local dealer with a value of up to $35,000. Carmel is probably on the hook for $25,000 of that value. Here are the Carmel rules if you want to dig in to the nitty gritty - carmelbands.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/2019-Raffle-Rules-7-10-2019.pdf With all of that said, Carmel is one of the few athletic or band booster groups in Central Indiana, that I know of, that has successfully given away the Grand Prize. Paddy explained it exactly right... Thanks for doing that. Quite a few of the "Community Nights" and/or Invitationals around here have similar Raffles with the Car/Cash option. When I was at the Brownsburg Invitational a few weeks ago I bought a ticket for their Car Raffle... needless to say I didn't win. 🙄 |
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Post by das88 on Oct 3, 2019 16:55:41 GMT -6
A raffle for a car?! Wow! That's some generous donors right there! Especially for an impoverished area like Carmel. Good one!
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Post by thewho on Oct 6, 2019 13:43:17 GMT -6
Well, the Muncie regional has certainly shaken things up. Take your stab at the standings because I don't know. Decatur Central deserves a few bumps the rungs, but I don't know how many bumps they should take.
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Oct 6, 2019 15:29:29 GMT -6
Well, the Muncie regional has certainly shaken things up. Take your stab at the standings because I don't know. Decatur Central deserves a few bumps the rungs, but I don't know how many bumps they should take. I have to admit that I'm skeptical of the Muncie results. I know I should trust BOA results more than invitational results, but when there have been pretty consistent results between groups (ahem, Goshen/Carroll) at more than one competition and then a third competition has them 7 points apart...I have to wonder. I didn't watch Muncie, but some things don't make sense there. |
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Post by IndianaMarchingFan on Oct 7, 2019 6:23:16 GMT -6
Well, the Muncie regional has certainly shaken things up. Take your stab at the standings because I don't know. Decatur Central deserves a few bumps the rungs, but I don't know how many bumps they should take. I have to admit that I'm skeptical of the Muncie results. I know I should trust BOA results more than invitational results, but when there have been pretty consistent results between groups (ahem, Goshen/Carroll) at more than one competition and then a third competition has them 7 points apart...I have to wonder. I didn't watch Muncie, but some things don't make sense there. This weekend has definitely left me scratching my head. I still think Goshen will eclipse Decature Central in ISSMA. |
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Post by paddy on Oct 7, 2019 7:39:25 GMT -6
I have to admit that I'm skeptical of the Muncie results. I know I should trust BOA results more than invitational results, but when there have been pretty consistent results between groups (ahem, Goshen/Carroll) at more than one competition and then a third competition has them 7 points apart...I have to wonder. I didn't watch Muncie, but some things don't make sense there. This weekend has definitely left me scratching my head. I still think Goshen will eclipse Decature Central in ISSMA. I watched finals in person, but did not see any of prelims. DC had a nice show that was well executed, but I’m not sure how to reconcile the results with past weekends. However, it is a different panel with different sheets that could have been looking for different things. Looking at the prelim captions Goshen fell short in their visual program. |
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Post by IndianaMarchingFan on Oct 7, 2019 7:56:31 GMT -6
This weekend has definitely left me scratching my head. I still think Goshen will eclipse Decature Central in ISSMA. I watched finals in person, but did not see any of prelims. DC had a nice show that was well executed, but I’m not sure how to reconcile the results with past weekends. However, it is a different panel with different sheets that could have been looking for different things. Looking at the prelim captions Goshen fell short in their visual program. I was at finals also... and I totally understand what you are saying. Their visual program is the weakest link of their show (as it typically is). It was just such a big jump between weeks. As you said though.. different shows, different sheets (ISSMA & BOA) and different panel. DC seems to find more success in BOA while Goshen finds more success in ISSMA. |
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Post by paddy on Oct 7, 2019 8:31:33 GMT -6
I watched finals in person, but did not see any of prelims. DC had a nice show that was well executed, but I’m not sure how to reconcile the results with past weekends. However, it is a different panel with different sheets that could have been looking for different things. Looking at the prelim captions Goshen fell short in their visual program. I was at finals also... and I totally understand what you are saying. Their visual program is the weakest link of their show (as it typically is). It was just such a big jump between weeks. As you said though.. different shows, different sheets (ISSMA & BOA) and different panel. DC seems to find more success in BOA while Goshen finds more success in ISSMA. DC won AAA and was 4th in finals last year in Oxford and then didn't make it out of ISSMA regional. Sometimes your style works, some times it doesn't... Of course Goshen made BOA Grand National Semi-finals on score last year too. Sometimes you have to chalk it up to not having a good run or not ticking the right boxes for a judge on a day. |
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Post by thewho on Oct 7, 2019 9:01:09 GMT -6
I was at finals also... and I totally understand what you are saying. Their visual program is the weakest link of their show (as it typically is). It was just such a big jump between weeks. As you said though.. different shows, different sheets (ISSMA & BOA) and different panel. DC seems to find more success in BOA while Goshen finds more success in ISSMA. DC won AAA and was 4th in finals last year in Oxford and then didn't make it out of ISSMA regional. Sometimes your style works, some times it doesn't... Of course Goshen made BOA Grand National Semi-finals on score last year too. Sometimes you have to chalk it up to not having a good run or not ticking the right boxes for a judge on a day. Oxford was an early season regional, though. Decatur Central had an exceptionally strong start that just sputtered out by the time regionals came around. They hit their peak at Oxford, as odd that sounds. Grand Nats obviously is much later. I'm ecstatic for Decatur's success, just not quite sure how to quantify it relative to other Class A bands. I'm going to wait until CG next week before making a call on them. |
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Post by paddy on Oct 7, 2019 9:09:47 GMT -6
DC won AAA and was 4th in finals last year in Oxford and then didn't make it out of ISSMA regional. Sometimes your style works, some times it doesn't... Of course Goshen made BOA Grand National Semi-finals on score last year too. Sometimes you have to chalk it up to not having a good run or not ticking the right boxes for a judge on a day. Oxford was an early season regional, though. Decatur Central had an exceptionally strong start that just sputtered out by the time regionals came around. They hit their peak at Oxford, as odd that sounds. Grand Nats obviously is much later. I'm ecstatic for Decatur's success, just not quite sure how to quantify it relative to other Class A bands. I'm going to wait until CG next week before making a call on them. True on Oxford. I think we will learn a lot at Center Grove in Class A and B. |
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Post by bandio on Oct 7, 2019 14:27:41 GMT -6
I am so impressed with Homesteads show!
Anyone else? So fun!
The sax solo is amazing!
I hear they got close to Avon at Fishers.
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Post by indianabandgeek on Oct 7, 2019 15:19:52 GMT -6
This weekend is Scholastic Class Prelims. I wanted to ask if anyone has a pick for Scholastic Class. It's really competitive this year but I have my pick for this year.
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Post by thewho on Oct 7, 2019 15:34:22 GMT -6
This weekend is Scholastic Class Prelims. I wanted to ask if anyone has a pick for Scholastic Class. It's really competitive this year but I have my pick for this year. It's Mt. Vernon for me. There's no way I can see any other band touching them after they beat out Warren Central this past weekend at Zionsville. I think it's very telling that Mt. Vernon has consistently been keeping pace with some of the state finalists in B all season long. Why they decided to be in Scholastic this year with this show is beyond me. |
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Post by indianabandgeek on Oct 8, 2019 8:49:17 GMT -6
This weekend is Scholastic Class Prelims. I wanted to ask if anyone has a pick for Scholastic Class. It's really competitive this year but I have my pick for this year. It's Mt. Vernon for me. There's no way I can see any other band touching them after they beat out Warren Central this past weekend at Zionsville. I think it's very telling that Mt. Vernon has consistently been keeping pace with some of the state finalists in B all season long. Why they decided to be in Scholastic this year with this show is beyond me. Both are really strong. Both are sure to be in top 5. Question is who fills in the 3 remaining spots? |
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Post by thewho on Oct 11, 2019 9:46:47 GMT -6
It's Mt. Vernon for me. There's no way I can see any other band touching them after they beat out Warren Central this past weekend at Zionsville. I think it's very telling that Mt. Vernon has consistently been keeping pace with some of the state finalists in B all season long. Why they decided to be in Scholastic this year with this show is beyond me. Both are really strong. Both are sure to be in top 5. Question is who fills in the 3 remaining spots? I don't know personally, I haven't paid 1 zilch of attention to Scholastic other than Mt. Vernon. My guesses the top 5 would be: Mt. Vernon (F'ville) Warren Central Lafayette Jefferson Chesterton? New Castle? |
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Post by indianabandgeek on Oct 11, 2019 10:09:22 GMT -6
Both are really strong. Both are sure to be in top 5. Question is who fills in the 3 remaining spots? I don't know personally, I haven't paid 1 zilch of attention to Scholastic other than Mt. Vernon. My guesses the top 5 would be: Mt. Vernon (F'ville) Warren Central Lafayette Jefferson Chesterton? New Castle? Interesting. We'll have to see what plays out this weekend. I'm going to Plymouth in the morning to watch Prelims and later will be to my heading to my next job in Fort Wayne which means, after i'm done I get to go see Homestead. |
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Post by IndianaMarchingFan on Oct 12, 2019 14:10:35 GMT -6
Anyone heading to Center Grove tonight for Class A? If so, please keep us updated! I'm out of town so I am unable to attend the best independent Indiana comp of the season!
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