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Post by Subito Fortissimo on Sept 29, 2019 19:29:28 GMT -6
Cape Fear lost their class to a nonBOA band. Who beat them?
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Post by ohioguy2 on Sept 29, 2019 20:39:38 GMT -6
1. Northridge 2. Madison-Plains* (Northridge had the higher score but MP the higher rating) Just curious, how does that work? I'm not familiar with the OMEA judging system at all. It’s not easy to understand OMEA scoring. The oversimplified version is that each band gets seven ratings that count towards an overall rating (1 is superior, 2 is excellent, etc.). There are two music, two visual, 2 general effect and a percussion rating, don’t ask why, no one really knows. If those seven ratings add up to 10 or less (4 1s and 3 2s, for example) a band gets an overall superior and qualifies for state finals. Now, the judges also give numbers inside of the ratings. 80-100 is a 1, 70-79.9 is a 2, etc. So, if a band gets 3 very low 1s and 4 very high 2s, they don’t get an overall 1, but still could have a pretty high overall score. In this case, that’s what happened, and they finished with a higher score than a group with 4 low 1s and 3 low 2s. I’m not saying it makes sense, but that is how it worked out. It has actually happened that a band has won Grand Champion at a show without qualifying while a different band did get a superior.
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Sept 29, 2019 20:56:01 GMT -6
1. Northridge 2. Madison-Plains* (Northridge had the higher score but MP the higher rating) Just curious, how does that work? I'm not familiar with the OMEA judging system at all. In OMEA, there are seven judges: two music, two visual, two general effect, and one percussion.
A band has to get at least four Superior ratings (and the rest have to be Excellent ratings) in order to receive an overall Superior rating and qualify for State.
The judges also give scores, which total 300. The scores are used to rank the bands.
Just as in BOA, the ratings do correspond to a range of scores (80% for a Superior in OMEA), but only within each caption, not overall: if three judges score a band well above the threshold while four judges score the band just below the threshold, the band might have an overall score above 240 (=80% of 300) but would not earn a Superior. While another band might be scored by four judges just above the cut-off but scored by the other three judges well below the cut-off, thus earning an overall score below 240, and yet still get an overall rating of Superior.
The idea is that no one judge can skew a band's rating with an excessively high or low score: a majority of judges have to believe a band is Superior for it to get that rating overall. And at State, there are only ratings and no scores.
(There are some further complications due to the way the percussion caption is awarded --it's actually the combination of the percussion judge's rating and the percussion sub-caption rating awarded by each of the two music judges--and more importantly, how few points percussion is worth compared to the other captions. And fyi there are also two guard judges but their scores and ratings don't count toward the total.)
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In my very rough estimation, by the way, a score of 240 in OMEA (i.e., the approximate minimum for a Superior rating) is worth about 60-62 points in BOA.
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Post by marimba11 on Sept 29, 2019 21:50:43 GMT -6
Interesting lineup for the KMMI this coming Saturday:
Campbell High School – 6:20 pm
Leeds High School – 6:40 pm
Lumpkin County High School – 7:00 pm
Cambridge High School – 7:20 pm
Nation Ford High School – 7:40 pm
Pope High School – 8:20 pm
East Coweta High School – 8:40 pm
Harrison High School – 9:00 pm
North Cobb High School – 9:20 pm
*Kennesaw Mountain High School -In Exhibition* – 9:40 pm
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Post by midwestfan on Sept 29, 2019 21:52:36 GMT -6
Just curious, how does that work? I'm not familiar with the OMEA judging system at all. In OMEA, there are seven judges: two music, two visual, two general effect, and one percussion.
A band has to get at least four Superior ratings (and the rest have to be Excellent ratings) in order to receive an overall Superior rating and qualify for State.
The judges also give scores, which total 300. The scores are used to rank the bands.
Just as in BOA, the ratings do correspond to a range of scores (80% for a Superior in OMEA), but only within each caption, not overall: if three judges score a band well above the threshold while four judges score the band just below the threshold, the band might have an overall score above 240 (=80% of 300) but would not earn a Superior. While another band might be scored by four judges just above the cut-off but scored by the other three judges well below the cut-off, thus earning an overall score below 240, and yet still get an overall rating of Superior.
The idea is that no one judge can skew a band's rating with an excessively high or low score: a majority of judges have to believe a band is Superior for it to get that rating overall. And at State, there are only ratings and no scores.
(There are some further complications due to the way the percussion caption is awarded --it's actually the combination of the percussion judge's rating and the percussion sub-caption rating awarded by each of the two music judges--and more importantly, how few points percussion is worth compared to the other captions. And fyi there are also two guard judges but their scores and ratings don't count toward the total.)
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In my very rough estimation, by the way, a score of 240 in OMEA (i.e., the approximate minimum for a Superior rating) is worth about 60-62 points in BOA.
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Post by midwestfan on Sept 29, 2019 22:00:10 GMT -6
Just curious, how does that work? I'm not familiar with the OMEA judging system at all. In OMEA, there are seven judges: two music, two visual, two general effect, and one percussion.
A band has to get at least four Superior ratings (and the rest have to be Excellent ratings) in order to receive an overall Superior rating and qualify for State.
The judges also give scores, which total 300. The scores are used to rank the bands.
Just as in BOA, the ratings do correspond to a range of scores (80% for a Superior in OMEA), but only within each caption, not overall: if three judges score a band well above the threshold while four judges score the band just below the threshold, the band might have an overall score above 240 (=80% of 300) but would not earn a Superior. While another band might be scored by four judges just above the cut-off but scored by the other three judges well below the cut-off, thus earning an overall score below 240, and yet still get an overall rating of Superior.
The idea is that no one judge can skew a band's rating with an excessively high or low score: a majority of judges have to believe a band is Superior for it to get that rating overall. And at State, there are only ratings and no scores.
(There are some further complications due to the way the percussion caption is awarded --it's actually the combination of the percussion judge's rating and the percussion sub-caption rating awarded by each of the two music judges--and more importantly, how few points percussion is worth compared to the other captions. And fyi there are also two guard judges but their scores and ratings don't count toward the total.)
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In my very rough estimation, by the way, a score of 240 in OMEA (i.e., the approximate minimum for a Superior rating) is worth about 60-62 points in BOA.
When you see it explained, you realize how convoluted it sounds. I will say OMEA has attempted to align their sheets more either likes of BOA using criterion referenced boxes and then scoring ranges within the box. The disconnect with the Rating and holding fast to the 300 point system is the bigger issue. There is talk that we may see continued movement towards sheets and a system more similar to BOA, Midstates and the like.
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Sept 29, 2019 22:24:43 GMT -6
When you see it explained, you realize how convoluted it sounds. I will say OMEA has attempted to align their sheets more either likes of BOA using criterion referenced boxes and then scoring ranges within the box. The disconnect with the Rating and holding fast to the 300 point system is the bigger issue. There is talk that we may see continued movement towards sheets and a system more similar to BOA, Midstates and the like. I distinctly remember my band director when I was a high school student in the late 1980s explaining how OMEA was changing the rules to require four Superior ratings, regardless of points, to achieve an overall Superior. Prior to that, you had to score 240+, I think. (OMEA started running marching band competitions in 1980; as I understand it, they had used the I-V rating system for concert band since at least the 1930s. I have no idea why they have a 300-point scale for marching band.)
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Post by midwestfan on Sept 29, 2019 22:36:00 GMT -6
When you see it explained, you realize how convoluted it sounds. I will say OMEA has attempted to align their sheets more either likes of BOA using criterion referenced boxes and then scoring ranges within the box. The disconnect with the Rating and holding fast to the 300 point system is the bigger issue. There is talk that we may see continued movement towards sheets and a system more similar to BOA, Midstates and the like. I distinctly remember my band director when I was a high school student in the late 1980s explaining how OMEA was changing the rules to require four Superior ratings, regardless of points, to achieve an overall Superior. Prior to that, you had to score 240+, I think. (OMEA started running marching band competitions in 1980; as I understand it, they had used the I-V rating system for concert band since at least the 1930s. I have no idea why they have a 300-point scale for marching band.) The debate on how OMEA handles contests has been going on so long. I remember some very contentious Marching Band Affairs meetings in the 90s and it just takes so long for change to happen. Judges training is getting better but too few are signing up to judge. An issue in DCI too (average age is like mid 50s). But hard to use judges for shows from other circuits when you have a 300 point system that is so different.
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Post by Subito Fortissimo on Sept 29, 2019 22:40:29 GMT -6
If I'm understanding correctly, it is somewhat like an ordinal scoring system where but where the ordinals determine rating/qualification and the actual scores determine placement at that show. And the two won't necessarily give you the same winner because of the spreads in the scoring.
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Post by cornet on Sept 30, 2019 5:20:04 GMT -6
Cape Fear lost their class to a nonBOA band. Who beat them? Middle Creek. Their show was terrific.
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Post by hewhowaits on Sept 30, 2019 5:34:58 GMT -6
Caught video of Mason from last night. Holy cow. Incredible sounds. If anyone not from Texas wins music at GN, it'll be them. I would never count out Carmel, even after viewing what I assume was the same video of Mason.
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Post by saxophoneboa on Sept 30, 2019 8:06:33 GMT -6
Where is this Mason video?
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Post by Allohak on Sept 30, 2019 8:20:55 GMT -6
Caught video of Mason from last night. Holy cow. Incredible sounds. If anyone not from Texas wins music at GN, it'll be them. I would never count out Carmel, even after viewing what I assume was the same video of Mason. Fair, did see Carmel at Louisville, though
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Post by paddy on Sept 30, 2019 8:32:39 GMT -6
I distinctly remember my band director when I was a high school student in the late 1980s explaining how OMEA was changing the rules to require four Superior ratings, regardless of points, to achieve an overall Superior. Prior to that, you had to score 240+, I think. (OMEA started running marching band competitions in 1980; as I understand it, they had used the I-V rating system for concert band since at least the 1930s. I have no idea why they have a 300-point scale for marching band.) The debate on how OMEA handles contests has been going on so long. I remember some very contentious Marching Band Affairs meetings in the 90s and it just takes so long for change to happen. Judges training is getting better but too few are signing up to judge. An issue in DCI too (average age is like mid 50s). But hard to use judges for shows from other circuits when you have a 300 point system that is so different. I can't say much about OMEA, but I would like to hop on your point about judges and too few signing up. I think some of the issue is the expectations for judges. The Fishers (Indiana) Invitational had 3 judges on their panel last Saturday who were part of the BOA Grand Nationals panels in 2018. It is a good invitational and decently attended, but when you expect that level of judge quality at a invitational that means almost nothing (doesn't count towards ISSMA or BOA though the bands appreciate the feedback) it is hard to find a way to train up new judges.
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Post by hewhowaits on Sept 30, 2019 9:25:57 GMT -6
Where is this Mason video? As expected, it has been taken down. It was posted by someone sitting in the stands and randomly zooming in on various things on the field.
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Post by Allohak on Sept 30, 2019 9:31:15 GMT -6
Where is this Mason video? As expected, it has been taken down. It was posted by someone sitting in the stands and randomly zooming in on various things on the field. This. It didn't give a good look at anything going on, but you could definitely get a good read on how they sound
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 19:05:58 GMT -6
Schedule:
6:20- Campbell H.S, GA 6:40- Leeds H.S, AL 7:00- Lumpkin County H.S, GA 7:20- Cambridge H.S, GA 7:40- Nation Ford H.S, SC 8:20- Pope H.S, GA 8:40- East Coweta H.S, GA 9:00- Harrison H.S, GA 9:20- North Cobb H.S, GA 9:40- (Exhibition) Kennesaw Mountain H.S, GA
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Post by midwestfan on Sept 30, 2019 19:10:49 GMT -6
Two more OMEA shows this past weekend: University of Akron Invitational (partial results) Class A 1st - Louisville
Class AA 1st - Medina 2nd - Amherst 3rd - Brunswick
Revere HS Invitational (evening)(partial results) Class A 1st - Norton 2nd - Louisville 3rd - New Philadelphia 4th - Tallmadge
Class AA 1st - Medina 2nd - Brunswick 3rd - Amherst 4th - North Royalton
Runner up Grand Champion - Norton Grand Champion - Medina
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Post by marimba11 on Sept 30, 2019 19:31:19 GMT -6
Thank u
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Post by Subito Fortissimo on Sept 30, 2019 20:20:00 GMT -6
Will be interesting to see how Harrison looks, and how Nation Ford does against some tougher competition than they've seen so far.
Side note: I'm a little surprised that KM could only draw 9 bands to their show.
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Post by ohioguy2 on Oct 1, 2019 21:29:26 GMT -6
Additional OMEA/MSBA Results
OMEA Watkins Memorial (*=Superior)
Class AA
1. Licking Heights* 2. Dublin Scioto* 3. Westerville North 4. Reynoldsburg
Class A
1. Tri-Valley* 2. Athens 3. Meigs
Class B
1. St. Clairsville* 2. Wellston* 3. Logan Elm 4. Westfall
Class C
1. Nelsonville-York 2. Adena
Portsmouth West
Class A
1. Teays Valley* 2. Rock Hill* 3. Point Pleasant
Class B
1. Minford 2. Northwest Ex. Portsmouth West*
Class C
1. Valley 2. Belpre 3. Lynchburh Clay 4. Portsmouth 5. Southern
Licking Valley
Class AA
1. Hilliard Darby* 2. Licking Heights* 3. Olentangy*
Class A
1. Tri-Valley* 2. Zanesville
Class B
1. St. Clarisville 2. Cambridge 3. Meadowbrook 4. Highland
Class C
1. Northridge 2. Shenandoah
OMEA New Bremen
Class AA
1. Fairfield* 2. Troy*
Class A
1. Greenville
Class B
1. Arcanum* 2. Versailles 3. Marion Local
Class C
1. Fort Recovery
MSBA Lebanon
Open Class
1. Oak Hills 73.5 2. East Central 63.5
Class AAAA
1. Kings 74.75 2. Northmont 74.0 3. Bloomington South 64.6 4. Talawanda 63.7
Class AAA
1. Greenon 65.2 2. East Clinton 61.05 3. West Carrollton 60.5 4. Moeller/Mount Notre Dame 55.8
Class A
1. Indian Hill 60.9 2. Newton 53.85 3. Grove City Christian 53.1 4. Simon Kenton51.9 5. Lincolnview 43.96
MSBA Warren East
Class AAAA
1. Muhlenberg Co. 54.7
Class AAA
1. Taylor Co. 70.3 2. Elizabethtown 57.2 3. Allen Co.-Scottsville 47.7
Class AA
1. Boyle Co. 56.8 2. Casey Co. 51.5 3. Franklin-Simpson 49.5 4. Russellville 46.8 5. Hart Co. 44.8 6. Hopkins Co. 35.7
Class A
1. Edmondson Co. 34.6
MSBA LaSalle
Class AAAA
1. Fairborn 73.8 2. Madison Southern 72.8
Class AAA
1. John Hardin 74.2 2. Milton-Union 72.6 3. Harrison 66.5 4. Colerain 65.2 5. Rising Sun 58.6 6. South Dearborn 56.3
Class AA
1. Goshen 51.5
Class A
1. North Harrison 55.9 2. Mason Co. 47.5 3. Lawrenceburg 43.1 4. Southwestern 41.3 5. Bishop Fenwick 40.8 6. Holmes 39.8 7. Bellevue 38.9 8. Williamsburg 37.5 9. Dayton 36.5
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Post by bigtrombone on Oct 1, 2019 21:31:45 GMT -6
15th Annual Youth In Music Marching Championship U.S. Bank Stadium, Minneapolis, MN, October 12th, 2019
Prelims Schedule:
Class A:
7:00 Hutchinson H.S., MN 7:15 Harrisburg H.S., SD 7:30 Lakeville South H.S., MN 7:45 Mukwonago H.S., WI 8:00 Eisenhower H.S., MN 8:15 Park Center H.S., MN 8:30 Andover H.S., MN 8:45 Blaine H.S., MN 9:00 Pipestone H.S., MN 9:15 Coon Rapids H.S., MN 9:30 Anoka H.S., MN
9:45 BREAK
10:00 Washington H.S., SD 10:15 Baldwin-Woodville H.S., WI 10:30 Farmington H.S., MN 10:45 Minnetonka H.S., MN 11:00 Champlin Park H.S., MN 11:15 Hastings H.S., MN 11:30 Rochester Lourdes H.S., MN
11:45 St. Croix Central H.S., WI (Exhibition) 12:00 Class A & AA Awards 12:15 LUNCH
Class AAA:
1:15 Brandon Valley H.S., SD 1:30 Millard West H.S., NE 1:45 Waukesha North H.S., WI 2:00 River Falls H.S., WI 2:15 Roosevelt H.S., SD
2:30 BREAK
Class AAAA:
2:45 Irondale H.S., MN 3:00 Eastview H.S., MN 3:15 Marshall H.S., MN 3:30 Eden Prairie H.S., MN 3:45 Rosemount H.S., MN
4:00 Minnesota State University, Mankato (Exhibition) 4:15 Class AAA & AAAA Awards/ Announcement of Finalists
Finals Schedule
7:30 Finalist Band #1 7:45 Finalist Band #2 8:00 Finalist Band #3 8:15 Finalist Band #4 8:30 Finalist Band #5 8:45 Hudson H.S., MN (Exhibition) 9:00 Finalist Band #6 9:15 Fianlist Band #7 9:30 Finalist Band #8 9:45 Finalist Band #9 10:00 Finalist Band #10
10:15 South Dakota State University (Exhibiton) 10:30 Finals Awards Ceremony
My Predictions:
Class Champion Finalists
Anoka H.S., MN (Class A Champion) Hastings H.S., MN (Class AA Champion) Roosevelt H.S., SD (Class AAA Champion) Rosemount H.S., MN (Class AAAA Champion)
Finalists based on Score:
Eden Prairie H.S., MN Eastview H.S., MN Irondale H.S., MN Marshall H.S., MN Brandon Valley H.S., SD Millard West H.S., NE
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Post by yayband914 on Oct 2, 2019 22:40:26 GMT -6
7:00- Lumpkin County H.S, GA My new favorite high school name.
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Oct 3, 2019 11:10:45 GMT -6
7:00- Lumpkin County H.S, GA My new favorite high school name. "Fatty Lumpkin" is the name of a pony in The Lord of the Rings.
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Post by LeanderMomma on Oct 3, 2019 11:17:12 GMT -6
My high school band director's last name was Lumpkin.
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Post by bigtrombone on Oct 3, 2019 17:02:45 GMT -6
Broken Arrow Invitational (October 5th, 2019)
Prelims Schedule:
1:00 Muskogee H.S., OK 1:15 Tulsa Memorial H.S., OK 1:30 Bartlesville H.S., OK 1:45 Berryhill H.S., OK 2:00 Coweta H.S., OK 2:15 Southwest H.S., TX
2:30 BREAK
2:45 Whitesboro H.S., TX 3:00 Southmoore H.S., OK 3:15 Camdenton H.S., MO 3:30 Collinsville H.S., OK 3:45 Kickapoo H.S., MO 4:00 Jenks H.S., OK
4:30 Prelims Awards Ceremony (Since Only 12 Bands I assume all perform in finals)
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Post by ilikeguard on Oct 4, 2019 0:27:28 GMT -6
Broken Arrow Invitational (October 5th, 2019) Prelims Schedule: 1:00 Muskogee H.S., OK 1:15 Tulsa Memorial H.S., OK 1:30 Bartlesville H.S., OK 1:45 Berryhill H.S., OK 2:00 Coweta H.S., OK 2:15 Southwest H.S., OK 2:30 BREAK 2:45 Whitesboro H.S., TX 3:00 Southmoore H.S., OK 3:15 Camdenton H.S., MO 3:30 Collinsville H.S., OK 3:45 Kickapoo H.S., MO 4:00 Jenks H.S., OK 4:30 Prelims Awards Ceremony (Since Only 12 Bands I assume all perform in finals) All bands are in finals. Also, I believe Southwest is from Texas. We can guarantee that Jenks, Camdenton, and Coweta will do well at this point event, given the season so far. I don’t know too much about the other bands, though. I’d like to learn more about some of these groups!
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Post by dee1991 on Oct 4, 2019 6:12:05 GMT -6
Broken Arrow Invitational (October 5th, 2019) Prelims Schedule: 1:00 Muskogee H.S., OK 1:15 Tulsa Memorial H.S., OK 1:30 Bartlesville H.S., OK 1:45 Berryhill H.S., OK 2:00 Coweta H.S., OK 2:15 Southwest H.S., OK 2:30 BREAK 2:45 Whitesboro H.S., TX 3:00 Southmoore H.S., OK 3:15 Camdenton H.S., MO 3:30 Collinsville H.S., OK 3:45 Kickapoo H.S., MO 4:00 Jenks H.S., OK 4:30 Prelims Awards Ceremony (Since Only 12 Bands I assume all perform in finals) Will Broken Arrow be performing in exhibition?
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Post by ilikeguard on Oct 4, 2019 11:16:04 GMT -6
Broken Arrow Invitational (October 5th, 2019) Prelims Schedule: 1:00 Muskogee H.S., OK 1:15 Tulsa Memorial H.S., OK 1:30 Bartlesville H.S., OK 1:45 Berryhill H.S., OK 2:00 Coweta H.S., OK 2:15 Southwest H.S., OK 2:30 BREAK 2:45 Whitesboro H.S., TX 3:00 Southmoore H.S., OK 3:15 Camdenton H.S., MO 3:30 Collinsville H.S., OK 3:45 Kickapoo H.S., MO 4:00 Jenks H.S., OK 4:30 Prelims Awards Ceremony (Since Only 12 Bands I assume all perform in finals) Will Broken Arrow be performing in exhibition? They will! And they leave for Disney and BOA Orlando soon after.
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Post by LeanderMomma on Oct 5, 2019 5:45:18 GMT -6
Just a tip for anyone on here who sees this is and is going to this, powder springs, or grand nats, don’t sit too far down in the stands, especially if you’ll be closer to the end zones. Y’all will eventually see why you don’t wanna be really close to the field This was talking about Harrison lmao Why? Are they planning to chunk things into the stands?
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