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Post by marimba11 on Nov 4, 2019 18:23:52 GMT -6
Like scband said before Wando will win because they truly are technically the best. This has always been what Wando is about and for years there have been louder bands with more fun shows that everyone thinks will win or do well and it just never happens. Fun does not equal technically good. Wando puts the most kids in all state year after year, they’re going to Midwest for the second time, Byrnes isn’t quite near that level of refinement and that’s just the way it is at the moment Wando is by far the biggest school is the state. Of course they have more all state. They are twice the size of most of the big schools like Byrnes or Boiling Springs. I find it curious that their marching band is same size as Byrnes. I wonder if they limit what band students get in. Most schools let all band students march that want to, right? I think Byrnes in 2017 was actually the largest high school marching band in the state numbers wise. But Wando of course sends about 40-50 to all state every year. I’m not sure who is in second place I think it’s the governors school
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Post by iloveband on Nov 4, 2019 18:53:05 GMT -6
Wando is by far the biggest school is the state. Of course they have more all state. They are twice the size of most of the big schools like Byrnes or Boiling Springs. I find it curious that their marching band is same size as Byrnes. I wonder if they limit what band students get in. Most schools let all band students march that want to, right? I think Byrnes in 2017 was actually the largest high school marching band in the state numbers wise. But Wando of course sends about 40-50 to all state every year. I’m not sure who is in second place I think it’s the governors school [br I was meaning the student body size
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Post by scbandfan on Nov 4, 2019 21:30:13 GMT -6
I think Byrnes in 2017 was actually the largest high school marching band in the state numbers wise. But Wando of course sends about 40-50 to all state every year. I’m not sure who is in second place I think it’s the governors school [br I was meaning the student body size I don’t know the inner workings of Wandos band program but I do know some programs do not march Freshmen. I think if Fort Mill only had one high school like Mt Pleasant does where Wando is located would have overtaken Wando at the SC State level. The school split for Wando is long overdue and was fought for way too long.
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Nov 4, 2019 21:58:16 GMT -6
I was meaning the student body size I don’t know the inner workings of Wandos band program but I do know some programs do not march Freshmen. Just a side note to observe that by contrast, some small high schools let middle school students march. One school I know, whose 10th-12th grade enrollment is about 200, has a band with 70 members, but it includes 20 students who are in 8th, 7th, or even 6th grade.
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Post by srv1084 on Nov 4, 2019 23:19:06 GMT -6
Just did a little bit of digging on the Wando school split, and it seems like the new high school was rebuilt on (or near?) the old Wando high school campus, which is roughly ten miles away from Wando's current campus. Did the old school really need to be torn down? It seems like it could have possibly saved the community quite a bit of money had they simply left the old facility, which seemed to house other schools in transition until roughly 2015 (if wiki can be trusted).
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Post by srv1084 on Nov 4, 2019 23:23:16 GMT -6
I don’t know the inner workings of Wandos band program but I do know some programs do not march Freshmen. Just a side note to observe that by contrast, some small high schools let middle school students march. One school I know, whose 10th-12th grade enrollment is about 200, has a band with 70 members, but it includes 20 students who are in 8th, 7th, or even 6th grade. This is especially true in New England. I know of many schools up here that march several middle school students to keep enrollment up. At one point, one program in particular fielded their largest band of approximately 150 with only 450-500 in the high school. Of course, it helps that some programs up here also start kids off as early as 3rd or 4th grade with formal instrumental music.
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Post by Allohak on Nov 4, 2019 23:26:38 GMT -6
Just a side note to observe that by contrast, some small high schools let middle school students march. One school I know, whose 10th-12th grade enrollment is about 200, has a band with 70 members, but it includes 20 students who are in 8th, 7th, or even 6th grade. This is especially true in New England. I know of many schools up here that march several middle school students to keep enrollment up. At one point, one program in particular fielded their largest band of approximately 150 with only 450-500 in the high school. Of course, it helps that some programs up here also start kids off as early as 3rd or 4th grade with formal instrumental music.True story. I started beginning band in Delaware in 3rd grade. We moved to New Jersey two years later, and got beginning band again in 5th grade. Then we moved to Ohio and my fellow 7th graders had only been playing for part of 6th. It was a slooooow burn.
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Post by supersound on Nov 5, 2019 18:00:21 GMT -6
Per a friend at this competition:
2019 5A UIL State Marching Contest Results
1st. Cedar Park (Gold) 2nd.Highland Park (Silver) 3rd. Wakeland (Bronze) 4th.Rouse 5th. Burrelson Centennial 6th.Friendswood 7th.Wylie East 8th. Lebanon Trail 9th.Aledo 10th.Dripping Springs 11th.Weiss 12th. Lonestar
This is Cedar Parks third consecutive title
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Post by marimba11 on Nov 5, 2019 18:16:42 GMT -6
This is especially true in New England. I know of many schools up here that march several middle school students to keep enrollment up. At one point, one program in particular fielded their largest band of approximately 150 with only 450-500 in the high school. Of course, it helps that some programs up here also start kids off as early as 3rd or 4th grade with formal instrumental music.True story. I started beginning band in Delaware in 3rd grade. We moved to New Jersey two years later, and got beginning band again in 5th grade. Then we moved to Ohio and my fellow 7th graders had only been playing for part of 6th. It was a slooooow burn. I lived in NJ until 8th grade and we started band in 4th grade. It was fun and all and we got pretty good pretty fast. But NJ of course doesn’t really have a big marching scene so there wasn’t a ton to look forward to as the band I would have been apart of didn’t / doesn’t even compete in marching. Their concert bands are quite good I think and with a pretty steady enrollment too. We played some pretty intense literature even in 7th grade.
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Post by propsquaddad on Nov 6, 2019 14:05:39 GMT -6
Per a friend at this competition: 2019 5A UIL State Marching Contest Results 1st. Cedar Park (Gold) 2nd.Highland Park (Silver) 3rd. Wakeland (Bronze) 4th.Rouse 5th. Burrelson Centennial 6th.Friendswood 7th.Wylie East 8th. Lebanon Trail 9th.Aledo 10th.Dripping Springs 11th.Weiss 12th. Lonestar This is Cedar Parks third consecutive title It was an incredible 2 days. Congratulations to all 12 finalists. Out of 254 5A bands that started the UIL process in early October, you are the top 12. and what about Cedar Park!! Back to back to back (2015, 2017, 2019) Texas state champions!
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Nov 6, 2019 19:32:09 GMT -6
True story. I started beginning band in Delaware in 3rd grade. We moved to New Jersey two years later, and got beginning band again in 5th grade. Then we moved to Ohio and my fellow 7th graders had only been playing for part of 6th. It was a slooooow burn. I lived in NJ until 8th grade and we started band in 4th grade. It was fun and all and we got pretty good pretty fast. But NJ of course doesn’t really have a big marching scene so there wasn’t a ton to look forward to as the band I would have been apart of didn’t / doesn’t even compete in marching. Their concert bands are quite good I think and with a pretty steady enrollment too. We played some pretty intense literature even in 7th grade. Though it's curious that New Jersey has more active drum corps than most states: Hawthorne Caballeros, Bushwackers, Fusion Core, Jersey Surf, Raiders, and Encorps. I think only California has more.
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Post by mikekyu on Nov 6, 2019 22:04:50 GMT -6
Per a friend at this competition: 2019 5A UIL State Marching Contest Results 1st. Cedar Park (Gold) 2nd.Highland Park (Silver) 3rd. Wakeland (Bronze) 4th.Rouse 5th. Burrelson Centennial 6th.Friendswood 7th.Wylie East 8th. Lebanon Trail 9th.Aledo 10th.Dripping Springs 11th.Weiss 12th. Lonestar This is Cedar Parks third consecutive title It was an incredible 2 days. Congratulations to all 12 finalists. Out of 254 5A bands that started the UIL process in early October, you are the top 12. and what about Cedar Park!! Back to back to back (2015, 2017, 2019) Texas state champions! This was one hell of a contest. 3 completely different styles in the top 3. Cedar Park's ability to perform in finals is legend. The staff has the kids prepped and performing in finals consistently. Over the last 5 years they have only laid one finals performance that did not meet their prelims (this year at Texas Marching Classic) results. Kids and staff are amazing with finals prep. This show Icarus had to be carried off the field then evening before and in the morning's practice with injuries to her legs. She showed up when she was needed most. Courage, determination, and pure will.
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Post by dee1991 on Nov 6, 2019 22:05:06 GMT -6
Oklahoma Bandmasters Association Class 6A State Finals 11/2/2019 @ Owasso HS 95.80 Broken Arrow 92.10 Union 90.65 Jenks 90.30 Mustang (tie) 90.30 Owasso (tie) 89.15 Bixby 85.60 Edmond North 81.90 Southmoore 79.00 Choctaw 77.75 Westmoore 76.75 Stillwater 75.90 Edmond Memorial Music - Broken Arrow Visual - Broken Arrow GE - Broken Arrow *Ties are broken by higher GE score Music Jay McArthur Andy Cook Troy Breaux Mike Davis Visual Shirl Chumley Mike Anderson Curtis Costanza Wow @ some of these margins. Mustang breaking back into the Tulsa-area bands' top 5 streak. WOW Edmond North! Very cool things happening here. Broken Arrow will be attending the 2021 Rose Parade!
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Post by srv1084 on Nov 6, 2019 23:35:57 GMT -6
True story. I started beginning band in Delaware in 3rd grade. We moved to New Jersey two years later, and got beginning band again in 5th grade. Then we moved to Ohio and my fellow 7th graders had only been playing for part of 6th. It was a slooooow burn. I lived in NJ until 8th grade and we started band in 4th grade. It was fun and all and we got pretty good pretty fast. But NJ of course doesn’t really have a big marching scene so there wasn’t a ton to look forward to as the band I would have been apart of didn’t / doesn’t even compete in marching. Their concert bands are quite good I think and with a pretty steady enrollment too. We played some pretty intense literature even in 7th grade. When you say they don't have a big marching scene, do you mean in terms of how competitive the scene is or quantity? If you mean in regards to competition, I agree, but NJ's marching band scene is actually pretty huge in terms of number of bands. The New Jersey state championship competitions in US Bands had nearly 100 marching bands compete across all the divisions (roughly one in six public high schools), and there are many more that compete in TOB that don't compete in US Bands (which I'm too lazy to compare).
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Post by marimba11 on Nov 7, 2019 5:59:41 GMT -6
I lived in NJ until 8th grade and we started band in 4th grade. It was fun and all and we got pretty good pretty fast. But NJ of course doesn’t really have a big marching scene so there wasn’t a ton to look forward to as the band I would have been apart of didn’t / doesn’t even compete in marching. Their concert bands are quite good I think and with a pretty steady enrollment too. We played some pretty intense literature even in 7th grade. When you say they don't have a big marching scene, do you mean in terms of how competitive the scene is or quantity? If you mean in regards to competition, I agree, but NJ's marching band scene is actually pretty huge in terms of number of bands. The New Jersey state championship competitions in US Bands had nearly 100 marching bands compete across all the divisions (roughly one in six public high schools), and there are many more that compete in TOB that don't compete in US Bands (which I'm too lazy to compare). Yes just quality of bands, especially at the top. The band I would have been apart of had a marching band but only did festivals not competitions
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Post by ohbandfan on Nov 9, 2019 23:03:20 GMT -6
MSBA open class 1. Mason 89.8 music, visual 2. Centerville 87.3 percussion 3. Lakota West 83.6 4. Worthington Kilbourne 82.4 5. Forest Hills 82.1 6. Miamisburg 80.2 auxiliary 7. Milford 79.5 8. Sycamore 79.3 9. Fairfield 74.4 10. Oak Hills 73.5 11. East Central 66.6
I have a feeling we’ll be seeing Centerville in semis this year. Lakota West has a good shot at making it to Saturday as well. Gettin g super excited for next weekend I also went back and looked at previous years, this is Mason’s 11th title out of the last 15 years. As well as their 6th straight win.
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Post by srv1084 on Nov 9, 2019 23:36:43 GMT -6
US Bands finals were held today (I just can't bring myself to call them "Nationals" per their official event name). Here are some names people will recognize:
Norwalk finished 1st in Class 6-Open and 4th overall. North Penn finished 4th in Class 4-Open and 7th overall. Trumbull finished 4th in Class 5-Open and 11th overall. John P. Stevens finished 2nd in Class 6-Open and 13th overall. Roosevelt (SD) made the trip to New Jersey. They finished 3rd in Class 6-Open and 25th overall. Massachusetts took home 3 of 6 class titles. Connecticut, New Jersey, and Maryland each had one. Massachusetts had the three highest scoring bands overall. The top six scoring bands were all from MA or CT. Very surprisingly, no New York bands attended this year, and several other strong New Jersey groups did not attend.
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Post by 70sguardchick on Nov 10, 2019 3:25:40 GMT -6
In Indiana, ISSMA state Championships were held today. Results from Class A were a bit surprising from spots 5 - 10:
Avon 93.775 Carmel 93.375 Homestead 91.925 Castle 89.150 Brownsburg 87.725 Lawrence Twnshp 86.625 Fishers 86.425 Center Grove 85.975 Penn 85.475 Carroll 84.925
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Post by midwest on Nov 10, 2019 8:10:16 GMT -6
In Indiana, ISSMA state Championships were held today. Results from Class A were a bit surprising from spots 5 - 10: Avon 93.775 Carmel 93.375 Homestead 91.925 Castle 89.150 Brownsburg 87.725 Lawrence Twnshp 86.625 Fishers 86.425 Center Grove 85.975 Penn 85.475 Carroll 84.925 5-10 spots Surprising indeed!!!! Does anyone know where I can find the rules or guidelines to how bands are judged and each category? I am having a hard time with the ranking on a few so more curious as to what i should be looking / hearing for in future competitions. (Newbie band parents here). 🤪 what a great season overall! Looking forward to Nationals!
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Post by 70sguardchick on Nov 10, 2019 8:32:00 GMT -6
ISSMA doesn’t publish its rules publicly....I saw the ‘weighting’ guidelines somewhere, though, and will hunt it down.
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Post by ohbandmom on Nov 10, 2019 9:31:55 GMT -6
MSBA open class 1. Mason 89.8 music, visual 2. Centerville 87.3 percussion 3. Lakota West 83.6 4. Worthington Kilbourne 82.4 5. Forest Hills 82.1 6. Miamisburg 80.2 auxiliary 7. Milford 79.5 8. Sycamore 79.3 9. Fairfield 74.4 10. Oak Hills 73.5 11. East Central 66.6 I have a feeling we’ll be seeing Centerville in semis this year. Lakota West has a good shot at making it to Saturday as well. Gettin g super excited for next weekend I also went back and looked at previous years, this is Mason’s 11th title out of the last 15 years. As well as their 6th straight win. We know I’m biased, lol. Mason did well last night, yes, but they still have work to do Mon-Wed this week in prep for Thursday’s prelims. They will be working very hard this week to get it cleaned up!
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Post by ignoreme on Nov 10, 2019 9:37:59 GMT -6
Nice Brownsburg! Congrats! I didn't see the finals so haven't seen most of these bands since the Indy Super, so other than Brownsburg kicking more butt than expected, I don't know that I'm surprised by the results. I loved that MPLT show from the moment I saw it, and never was quite as high on Fishers as some others on here, though you can never have too much Candide.
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Post by ohbandfan on Nov 10, 2019 12:33:58 GMT -6
MSBA open class 1. Mason 89.8 music, visual 2. Centerville 87.3 percussion 3. Lakota West 83.6 4. Worthington Kilbourne 82.4 5. Forest Hills 82.1 6. Miamisburg 80.2 auxiliary 7. Milford 79.5 8. Sycamore 79.3 9. Fairfield 74.4 10. Oak Hills 73.5 11. East Central 66.6 I have a feeling we’ll be seeing Centerville in semis this year. Lakota West has a good shot at making it to Saturday as well. Gettin g super excited for next weekend I also went back and looked at previous years, this is Mason’s 11th title out of the last 15 years. As well as their 6th straight win. We know I’m biased, lol. Mason did well last night, yes, but they still have work to do Mon-Wed this week in prep for Thursday’s prelims. They will be working very hard this week to get it cleaned up! I have no doubt that they’ll clean up. The question is, how much? I know in 2013 they lost this competition to Centerville and turned around and placed top half of finals the next week and I believe Centerville missed semis that year too? I could be wrong on that though. Historically Mason has cleaned the heck out of their show in the last couple days before GN, so we shall see. I’ve also noticed that MSBA scores seem lower across the board this year than they have been in the past
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Post by oboe12 on Nov 11, 2019 7:30:58 GMT -6
We know I’m biased, lol. Mason did well last night, yes, but they still have work to do Mon-Wed this week in prep for Thursday’s prelims. They will be working very hard this week to get it cleaned up! I have no doubt that they’ll clean up. The question is, how much? I know in 2013 they lost this competition to Centerville and turned around and placed top half of finals the next week and I believe Centerville missed semis that year too? I could be wrong on that though. Historically Mason has cleaned the heck out of their show in the last couple days before GN, so we shall see. I’ve also noticed that MSBA scores seem lower across the board this year than they have been in the past That was the wedding show (one of my favorites from Mason!!) but Centerville did make semis and placed 22nd.
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Post by marimba11 on Nov 11, 2019 8:21:17 GMT -6
I have no doubt that they’ll clean up. The question is, how much? I know in 2013 they lost this competition to Centerville and turned around and placed top half of finals the next week and I believe Centerville missed semis that year too? I could be wrong on that though. Historically Mason has cleaned the heck out of their show in the last couple days before GN, so we shall see. I’ve also noticed that MSBA scores seem lower across the board this year than they have been in the past That was the wedding show (one of my favorites from Mason!!) but Centerville did make semis and placed 22nd. Till Death do us part! Must be in my top 5 favorite shows ever! Such a clever design that had the audience laughing - how cool is that. They must have really cleaned at the end as their was some really tough music in it. Not sure how they cleaned it in 4 days. Anything is possible
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Post by hewhowaits on Nov 11, 2019 9:14:46 GMT -6
That was the wedding show (one of my favorites from Mason!!) but Centerville did make semis and placed 22nd. Till Death do us part! Must be in my top 5 favorite shows ever! Such a clever design that had the audience laughing - how cool is that. They must have really cleaned at the end as their was some really tough music in it. Not sure how they cleaned it in 4 days. Anything is possible 2013 MSBA finals were on November 2. Mason's GN preliminary performance was on November 14.
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Post by ohbandfan on Nov 11, 2019 10:10:10 GMT -6
Till Death do us part! Must be in my top 5 favorite shows ever! Such a clever design that had the audience laughing - how cool is that. They must have really cleaned at the end as their was some really tough music in it. Not sure how they cleaned it in 4 days. Anything is possible 2013 MSBA finals were on November 2. Mason's GN preliminary performance was on November 14. I didn’t realize there was that those were about 2 weeks apart. That would make sense for them to get that much better then.
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Nov 11, 2019 11:39:21 GMT -6
MSBA open class 1. Mason 89.8 music, visual 2. Centerville 87.3 percussion 3. Lakota West 83.6 4. Worthington Kilbourne 82.4 5. Forest Hills 82.1 6. Miamisburg 80.2 auxiliary 7. Milford 79.5 8. Sycamore 79.3 9. Fairfield 74.4 10. Oak Hills 73.5 11. East Central 66.6 Having seen Miamisburg perform yesterday afternoon at OMEA, I'm surprised to see them behind Kilbourne.
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Post by dmgang on Nov 11, 2019 12:52:04 GMT -6
Michigan Competing Bands Association State Finals: Flight I: Rockford 94.325 Lake Orion 92.55 Plymouth-Canton 90.225 Grand Blanc 89.45 Novi 89.30 Flight II: Jenison 93.475 Walled Lake Central 93.225 L’Anse Creuse 90.30 Flight III: Reeths-Puffer 91.275 Byron Center 90.425 DeWitt 90.40 Flight IV: Lakeshore 91.30 Ferndale 90.875 Perhaps a silly question: are scores comparable across classes? And does anyone know the methodology of how scores are adjusted? (Is it possible to calculate the raw score for each group?) Feel free to compare flights 1 and 2 but after that expect quite inflated scores
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Nov 12, 2019 0:05:37 GMT -6
Well, I saw 129 of the 131 bands who appeared in the Ohio Music Education Association state marching band finals. Bands appear at this four-day event for ratings only. New this year on the OMEA SMBF website is a full listing of the ratings, so I won't bother to list here the 73 bands who receieved a I "Superior" rating and 58 bands who received a II "Excellent" rating. Those numbers are in line with ratings in past years. The idea is, I believe, that if a band is good enough to qualify for finals in the first place, they are very unlikely to deliver a performance that would earn a III "Good" rating (or worse). In six years of attending all days of finals and seeing nearly every band each year, I've only seen one band get a III rating -- and that was the only finals performance I thought deserving of it. (Before the finals, I saw one block on this year's schedule where I figured every band would earn a Superior rating -- and they did. But then so did the next block. And all twelve of them deserved it. No other block in the four days had all Superiors.) In the binary world this system sets up, there are a lot of edge cases: bands who might get a I or a II depending on the panel. I figure some 40-odd bands could have gone either way. (There were nine panels, each judging 12-18 bands in blocks of four to nine bands. Some judges appeared on more than one panel.) In some blocks, I deemed a number of bands would just pull through with a Superior, and those bands got Excellents. (This past weekend that would be Saturday evening and Sunday afternoon.) In other blocks, I figured several bands had fallen just shy of what they needed, but they got the higher rating. (Saturday afternoon of this past weekend.) No big deal. These are close calls. But there were a handful of performances that didn't seem in doubt to me, but which went the other way. Passing over the bands who were awarded a Superior that, in my opinion, they should consider a big gift from the judges, I do want to note three bands in particular who I think got the shaft, and clearly ought to have received Superior ratings, but didn't: --The Pride of Newark, with "Talk to Me". Lady Gaga and Leroy Anderson: the pairing you never knew you needed. --The Portsmouth West Sensational Senators, with "The Secret of Machines". I could listen to their take on the Alan Parsons Project again and again. --The Athens Marching Green and Gold, with "Out of This World". The band who improved most for me over the season, with a darn good sound on the move.
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