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Post by Allohak on May 14, 2020 14:14:08 GMT -6
If you had to give up either GN which you could do any year (and do every year) or Macy's which only comes once in a lifetime... I get it, considering how fundraising is probably hit very very hard by the ongoing situation Interesting that they still intend to do the Indy Regional. Is that something they’ve always done as well? Yes, but Indy SR doesn't mean a hotel stay, whereas for GN they might choose to stay overnight
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Post by LeanderMomma on May 14, 2020 14:35:02 GMT -6
This brings up a question I have often had. How different of an experience is it for bands that regularly attend both the Indy SR and Grand Nats? Are they radically different in how they feel, or do the band kids sometimes forget which competition they are at because they are so similar?
Just curious.
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Post by drummerboy on May 14, 2020 14:42:10 GMT -6
This brings up a question I have often had. How different of an experience is it for bands that regularly attend both the Indy SR and Grand Nats? Are they radically different in how they feel, or do the band kids sometimes forget which competition they are at because they are so similar? Just curious. Other than one year when it was maybe back to back weekends, the weekends are usually a few weeks apart and show progression is at a different point for GN, so the feeling of performing closer to your best is definitely more at a GN than the Indy Super Regional. But it is nice to perform on that field multiple times.
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Post by notinband on May 14, 2020 15:09:15 GMT -6
This brings up a question I have often had. How different of an experience is it for bands that regularly attend both the Indy SR and Grand Nats? Are they radically different in how they feel, or do the band kids sometimes forget which competition they are at because they are so similar? Just curious. For the Super Regional, the kids who have not played there before are a little awestruck and a bit nervous. For Grand Nationals, the nerves have settled down some since they played there a few weeks previously.
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Post by WoodlandsMom4ever on May 14, 2020 15:16:05 GMT -6
This brings up a question I have often had. How different of an experience is it for bands that regularly attend both the Indy SR and Grand Nats? Are they radically different in how they feel, or do the band kids sometimes forget which competition they are at because they are so similar? Just curious. Not the same... but I’ve noticed a similar trend with BOA San Antonio and UIL on UIL years. UIL is after boa SA and I feel the kids get more used to the process of warmups and such and onto the big stadium by the time they are at UIL finals- they tend to have the nerves worked out more. I would assume it’s similar for any band local to Indy... and while not something to over analyze and focus on- I would say it is a little bit of home field advantage to those schools that have been there before- that year... and are able to put nerves away- as opposed to schools that are traveling further and can get awestruck there. In the same vein- the schools that tend to go more regularly- but not every year- seem to be able to keep it from being as overwhelming- since about half the band has been there and it’s not all new for all of them.
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Post by Samuel Culper on May 14, 2020 16:03:21 GMT -6
This brings up a question I have often had. How different of an experience is it for bands that regularly attend both the Indy SR and Grand Nats? Are they radically different in how they feel, or do the band kids sometimes forget which competition they are at because they are so similar? Just curious. For the Super Regional, the kids who have not played there before are a little awestruck and a bit nervous. For Grand Nationals, the nerves have settled down some since they played there a few weeks previously. Definitely an advantage over the bands from farther afield that make the trip to Grand Nats.
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Post by Allohak on May 14, 2020 16:17:58 GMT -6
Eh, a first-time attendee won the most recent edition
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Post by WoodlandsMom4ever on May 14, 2020 16:26:23 GMT -6
Eh, a first-time attendee won the most recent edition There’s always exceptions to the rule/ perfect storm scenarios that switch up pre construed notions... and make it possible for us to believe anything is possible.
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Post by TXHillCountryBands on May 14, 2020 16:26:25 GMT -6
Eh, a first-time attendee won the most recent edition Eh, Vandy would have had same results visiting Any out of state Regional and Super Regional. Vandy 2019 was the exception. Hardly the rule
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Post by Allohak on May 14, 2020 16:30:50 GMT -6
Eh, a first-time attendee won the most recent edition Eh, Vandy would have had same results visiting Any out of state Regional and Super Regional. Vandy 2019 was the exception. Hardly the rule True, but groups who attend less than every year do very well every year. There is some benefit, especially financial, to having GN in your backyard. But it is by no means something that programs from across the country can't overcome and earn success.
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Post by LeanderMomma on May 14, 2020 17:36:06 GMT -6
Didn’t mean to start anything! 🤪 And actually I wasn’t thinking about the arguable home field advantage many of those kiddos may or may not have. I was wondering about the experience itself. What makes the Indy Super FEEL different from GN. Is the Indy SR more of a small town feeling and the GN a huge city feeling? Or do they feel like the same experience every time. I can see the nerves thing lessening as they move from the Super to the National, but I was just curious if the band kids themselves can tell the difference from one to the other. And if so, in what way.
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Post by hewhowaits on May 14, 2020 19:31:52 GMT -6
Eh, a first-time attendee won the most recent edition Vandegrift had plenty of experience with big-stage, indoor venue competition going in. Not to mention one heck of a show design and execution to match.
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Post by Samuel Culper on May 14, 2020 20:36:20 GMT -6
Eh, a first-time attendee won the most recent edition Sure, but that doesn't mean there isn't an advantage for bands who get to attend GNats or the Indy SR annually. It really only makes what Vandy did all the more remarkable. I will say that Vandy did have one advantage that most first-time attendees do not. That is a pair of sister schools with recent experience making the trip. There was much knowledge and experience sharing that took place among the band staffs AND the booster organizations. I expect this same community approach will benefit Vista Ridge as well.
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Post by Allohak on May 14, 2020 20:40:39 GMT -6
Eh, a first-time attendee won the most recent edition Sure, but that doesn't mean there isn't an advantage for bands who get to attend GNats or the Indy SR annually. It really only makes what Vandy did all the more remarkable. I will say that Vandy did have one advantage that most first-time attendees do not. That is a pair of sister schools with recent experience making the trip. There was much knowledge and experience sharing that took place among the band staffs AND the booster organizations. I expect this same community approach will benefit Vista Ridge as well. Keep reading 😉😎
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Post by marimba11 on May 14, 2020 22:01:14 GMT -6
I think the point LeanderMomma made is a valid one. However it depends on the band (variety of factors there) and the show design. The Vandegrift example is much like TWHS 2013, Tarpon 2014, perhaps even Avon 2010 (I could go on)... no matter what, nothing was going to stop those trains from taking the eagle. It didn’t matter what stadium they played in at a previous contest. Also correct is that Vandegrift does play in big stadiums every year and those students get multiple performances at the Alamodome (which is somewhat boomy but not as boomy as the old GA dome). LOS is pretty dry tbh, you need a lot of sound to make it up to the box. Also, never was that more evident than at the NEW Mercedes dome in Atlanta. Luckily for Vandy they have a big sound... so big that the 1st Requim hit shook the flo marching screen 😉 Now we know dome performances are great because the weather becomes a non issue, but also to prepare to the listening responsibilities akin to LOS. We are all familiar with this concept. Tarpon is now at a disadvantage with no dome performance available at Atlanta. Bands out west like Ayala and American fork have been at a disadvantage for years yet have had very good success at GN.
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Post by thewho on May 14, 2020 22:05:21 GMT -6
Didn’t mean to start anything! 🤪 And actually I wasn’t thinking about the arguable home field advantage many of those kiddos may or may not have. I was wondering about the experience itself. What makes the Indy Super FEEL different from GN. Is the Indy SR more of a small town feeling and the GN a huge city feeling? Or do they feel like the same experience every time. I can see the nerves thing lessening as they move from the Super to the National, but I was just curious if the band kids themselves can tell the difference from one to the other. And if so, in what way. Anecdotally...... The environment lends itself considerably well to many established programs. Many of these programs go through the process and know what to expect and everything. The Indy regional used to be exactly what you described for those schools- a simple formality to familiarize with the stadium a bit. Before 2012, the Indy regional used to be between ISSMA state finals and Grand Nationals. However, the move to an earlier date for the Indy regional (later on becoming the SR we know today) changed the Indiana competitive season a great deal. I believe the bands around the metro and state (and further beyond) realize how high the stakes are generally at Indy SR. In a lot of ways, it's become the quasi-true-state-competition for Indiana plus out-of-state bands since the move to a mid-season date. Bands here (especially Class A) know if they make SR finals, they'll make ISSMA state finals. ISSMA state finals do have 4 classes, but the Indy SR is essentially where best-of-the-best win their way through.* The pressure to make some kind of statement is there, especially on a stage under the national spotlight. Unlike Texas, where major shows are aplenty with BOA Regionals and whatnot, Indiana typically start a ton of smaller invitationals that build up to state finals. There are certainly some invitationals where the big names attend with preference, but none really have the attention that other invitationals receive, much less being broadcasted at all. Indy SR is typically the first time when all the Indiana competition comes together. It's definitely not the small town feeling at all. *I realize this is indoctrinating the big vs. small, money, size, yadayada arguments and whatnot, but just bare with it because this post isn't meant to argue those topics.
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Post by marimba11 on May 14, 2020 22:15:06 GMT -6
Another example is Union 2017, (a lovely union program I very much liked). Union has been a bubble band for 8 odd years now. Since 2012 they’re 3/5, pretty good track record!
For bubble bands with the goal of making GN finals going to the Indy SR seems to help. Union was 6th prelims and 4th finals at Indy SR. At GN semis they were 11th and only .35 above Homestead who we all know was the one band out.
Now you can chalk .35 up to anything but I’d certainly argue that those students were very comfortable in that stadium after adopting to that listening environment and the could have certainly helped them push into finals.
Union placed 10th. Only .79 from TWHS who was 7th.
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Post by marimba11 on May 14, 2020 22:24:23 GMT -6
Didn’t mean to start anything! 🤪 And actually I wasn’t thinking about the arguable home field advantage many of those kiddos may or may not have. I was wondering about the experience itself. What makes the Indy Super FEEL different from GN. Is the Indy SR more of a small town feeling and the GN a huge city feeling? Or do they feel like the same experience every time. I can see the nerves thing lessening as they move from the Super to the National, but I was just curious if the band kids themselves can tell the difference from one to the other. And if so, in what way. Anecdotally...... The environment lends itself considerably well to many established programs. Many of these programs go through the process and know what to expect and everything. The Indy regional used to be exactly what you described for those schools- a simple formality to familiarize with the stadium a bit. Before 2012, the Indy regional used to be between ISSMA state finals and Grand Nationals. However, the move to an earlier date for the Indy regional (later on becoming the SR we know today) changed the Indiana competitive season a great deal. I believe the bands around the metro and state (and further beyond) realize how high the stakes are generally at Indy SR. In a lot of ways, it's become the quasi-true-state-competition for Indiana plus out-of-state bands since the move to a mid-season date. Bands here (especially Class A) know if they make SR finals, they'll make ISSMA state finals. ISSMA state finals do have 4 classes, but the Indy SR is essentially where best-of-the-best win their way through.* The pressure to make some kind of statement is there, especially on a stage under the national spotlight. Unlike Texas, where major shows are aplenty with BOA Regionals and whatnot, Indiana typically start a ton of smaller invitationals that build up to state finals. There are certainly some invitationals where the big names attend with preference, but none really have the attention that other invitationals receive, much less being broadcasted at all. Indy SR is typically the first time when all the Indiana competition comes together. It's definitely not the small town feeling at all. *I realize this is indoctrinating the big vs. small, money, size, yadayada arguments and whatnot, but just bare with it because this post isn't meant to argue those topics. Excellent point. I hadn’t really thought about it that way with Indy SR being the first benchmark of the season relative to Indiana. Right, before hand it used to just be a show to scare Marian to clean for GN. Haha just joking
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Post by Allohak on May 14, 2020 22:45:20 GMT -6
Anecdotally...... The environment lends itself considerably well to many established programs. Many of these programs go through the process and know what to expect and everything. The Indy regional used to be exactly what you described for those schools- a simple formality to familiarize with the stadium a bit. Before 2012, the Indy regional used to be between ISSMA state finals and Grand Nationals. However, the move to an earlier date for the Indy regional (later on becoming the SR we know today) changed the Indiana competitive season a great deal. I believe the bands around the metro and state (and further beyond) realize how high the stakes are generally at Indy SR. In a lot of ways, it's become the quasi-true-state-competition for Indiana plus out-of-state bands since the move to a mid-season date. Bands here (especially Class A) know if they make SR finals, they'll make ISSMA state finals. ISSMA state finals do have 4 classes, but the Indy SR is essentially where best-of-the-best win their way through.* The pressure to make some kind of statement is there, especially on a stage under the national spotlight. Unlike Texas, where major shows are aplenty with BOA Regionals and whatnot, Indiana typically start a ton of smaller invitationals that build up to state finals. There are certainly some invitationals where the big names attend with preference, but none really have the attention that other invitationals receive, much less being broadcasted at all. Indy SR is typically the first time when all the Indiana competition comes together. It's definitely not the small town feeling at all. *I realize this is indoctrinating the big vs. small, money, size, yadayada arguments and whatnot, but just bare with it because this post isn't meant to argue those topics. Excellent point. I hadn’t really thought about it that way with Indy SR being the first benchmark of the season relative to Indiana. Right, before hand it used to just be a show to scare Marian to clean for GN. Haha just joking I mean, are you, though? 🤣😎
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Post by WoodlandsMom4ever on May 14, 2020 23:31:15 GMT -6
Didn’t mean to start anything! 🤪 And actually I wasn’t thinking about the arguable home field advantage many of those kiddos may or may not have. I was wondering about the experience itself. What makes the Indy Super FEEL different from GN. Is the Indy SR more of a small town feeling and the GN a huge city feeling? Or do they feel like the same experience every time. I can see the nerves thing lessening as they move from the Super to the National, but I was just curious if the band kids themselves can tell the difference from one to the other. And if so, in what way. Anecdotally...... The environment lends itself considerably well to many established programs. Many of these programs go through the process and know what to expect and everything. The Indy regional used to be exactly what you described for those schools- a simple formality to familiarize with the stadium a bit. Before 2012, the Indy regional used to be between ISSMA state finals and Grand Nationals. However, the move to an earlier date for the Indy regional (later on becoming the SR we know today) changed the Indiana competitive season a great deal. I believe the bands around the metro and state (and further beyond) realize how high the stakes are generally at Indy SR. In a lot of ways, it's become the quasi-true-state-competition for Indiana plus out-of-state bands since the move to a mid-season date. Bands here (especially Class A) know if they make SR finals, they'll make ISSMA state finals. ISSMA state finals do have 4 classes, but the Indy SR is essentially where best-of-the-best win their way through.* The pressure to make some kind of statement is there, especially on a stage under the national spotlight. Unlike Texas, where major shows are aplenty with BOA Regionals and whatnot, Indiana typically start a ton of smaller invitationals that build up to state finals. There are certainly some invitationals where the big names attend with preference, but none really have the attention that other invitationals receive, much less being broadcasted at all. Indy SR is typically the first time when all the Indiana competition comes together. It's definitely not the small town feeling at all. *I realize this is indoctrinating the big vs. small, money, size, yadayada arguments and whatnot, but just bare with it because this post isn't meant to argue those topics. I know leandermomma is the one that asked... but thank you for this answer. I know band is a lot different in Oklahoma than Texas, and Indiana is it's own difference. I like hearing what the differences in the schedules and benchmarks bands look for in a season in different places are. (and yes I would have just hit "like" in the past... trying to comment more...)
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Post by marimba11 on May 15, 2020 8:24:38 GMT -6
Excellent point. I hadn’t really thought about it that way with Indy SR being the first benchmark of the season relative to Indiana. Right, before hand it used to just be a show to scare Marian to clean for GN. Haha just joking I mean, are you, though? 🤣😎 Haha hyperbole 😂
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Post by ilikeguard on May 15, 2020 15:08:47 GMT -6
Not going: Jenks H.S., OK
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Post by marimba11 on May 15, 2020 15:23:22 GMT -6
Not going: Jenks H.S., OK Uh oh. Looks like we lost a program due to everything going on
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Post by yayband914 on May 15, 2020 16:43:17 GMT -6
AS OF 05/15/2020
Confirmed (60): American Fork H.S., UT Avon H.S., IN Beechwood H.S., KY Bellevue West H.S., NE Ben Davis H.S., IN Blue Springs H.S., MO Boiling Springs H.S., SC Bourbon County H.S., KY Bridgeland H.S., TX Broken Arrow H.S., OK Brownsburg H.S., IN Camdenton H.S., MO Carmel H.S., IN Carlisle H.S., OH Carroll H.S., IN Cary H.S., NC Castle H.S., IN Center Grove H.S., IN Central Hardin H.S., KY Dobyns-Bennett H.S., TN Fishers H.S., IN Franklin H.S., TN Greendale H.S., WI Greenfield-Central H.S., IN Green Hope H.S., NC Haltom H.S., TX Henry Clay H.S., KY Homestead H.S., IN Jenison H.S., MI Kiski Area H.S., PA Lafayette H.S., LA Lakeland H.S., MI Lakota East H.S., OH Lawrence Township H.S., IN Lockport Township H.S., IL Marian Catholic H.S., IL Miamisburg H.S., OH Morton H.S., IL Munster H.S., IN Mustang H.S., OK Nixa H.S., MO Nordonia H.S., OH O'Fallon Township H.S., IL Plainfield H.S., IN Plymouth-Canton E.P., MI Rockford H.S., MI Ronald Reagan H.S., TX Rosemount H.S., MN South Greene H.S., TN South Oldham H.S., KY Talawanda H.S., OH Tarpon Springs H.S., FL Vista Ridge H.S., TX Walled Lake Central H.S., MI Wando H.S., SC Waukesha North H.S., WI Westwood H.S., TX Whitesboro H.S., TX William Mason H.S., OH Windermere H.S., FL
Rumored (17): DeSoto Central H.S., MS Estill County H.S., KY James F. Byrnes H.S., SC Kennesaw Mountain H.S., GA Kiski Area H.S., PA L.D. Bell H.S., TX Lafayette H.S., KY Lake Hamilton H.S., AR LaRue County H.S., KY Madison Central H.S., KY North Hardin H.S., KY Panther Creek H.S., NC Prosper H.S.. TX South Laurel H.S., KY Union H.S., OK Wando H.S., SC Westfield H.S., VA
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Post by bigtrombone on May 15, 2020 18:14:27 GMT -6
Not going: Jenks H.S., OK Uh oh. Looks like we lost a program due to everything going on Here's a statement made on Jenk's website regarding the decision to withdraw from BOA this year: Jenks has officially withdrawn from all Fall BOA events this year. The decision to withdraw is for several reasons - most of them financially oriented: - with many businesses being closed for a long period of time, shortfalls and cuts are expected to take place with school funding and budgets - many families are struggling financially during this time - fundraising activities have been suspended at least until July 1 - the uncertainty of football concession stand revenue - many families took a financial hit from the cancelation of spring trips. We do not want to put families in this situation again this fall. At this time, plans are to still have Pre-Band, learn the contest show, and compete at local and state contests this fall. The Trojan Pride recognizes the value and opportunity that BOA provides - we were looking forward to traveling to San Antonio and returning to Indianapolis. We didn't want to withdraw, but felt like it was the best decision given the circumstances. Not knowing what is in store for the next few months, we are trying to be wise in planning for the marching season. Jenks will look forward to being able to return to these prestigious events in the future.
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Post by LeanderMomma on May 15, 2020 18:31:44 GMT -6
Noooo. They canceled the trip to San Antonio as well. 😢
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Post by marimba11 on May 15, 2020 21:01:56 GMT -6
Uh oh. Looks like we lost a program due to everything going on Here's a statement made on Jenk's website regarding the decision to withdraw from BOA this year: Jenks has officially withdrawn from all Fall BOA events this year. The decision to withdraw is for several reasons - most of them financially oriented: - with many businesses being closed for a long period of time, shortfalls and cuts are expected to take place with school funding and budgets - many families are struggling financially during this time - fundraising activities have been suspended at least until July 1 - the uncertainty of football concession stand revenue - many families took a financial hit from the cancelation of spring trips. We do not want to put families in this situation again this fall. At this time, plans are to still have Pre-Band, learn the contest show, and compete at local and state contests this fall. The Trojan Pride recognizes the value and opportunity that BOA provides - we were looking forward to traveling to San Antonio and returning to Indianapolis. We didn't want to withdraw, but felt like it was the best decision given the circumstances. Not knowing what is in store for the next few months, we are trying to be wise in planning for the marching season. Jenks will look forward to being able to return to these prestigious events in the future. I think this is just the beginning of such announcements. I hope I’m wrong.
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Post by supersound on May 15, 2020 21:13:36 GMT -6
Tough seeing groups pull out of contests because of everything going on
On the plus side Jenks seems eager to attend San Antonio I'm sure in a couple of years we'll seem in the Alamodome this just isn't the year
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Post by trumpet300 on May 15, 2020 21:55:30 GMT -6
AS OF 05/15/2020 Confirmed (60):American Fork H.S., UT Avon H.S., IN Beechwood H.S., KY Bellevue West H.S., NE Ben Davis H.S., IN Blue Springs H.S., MO Boiling Springs H.S., SC Bourbon County H.S., KY Bridgeland H.S., TX Broken Arrow H.S., OK Brownsburg H.S., IN Camdenton H.S., MO Carmel H.S., IN Carlisle H.S., OH Carroll H.S., IN Cary H.S., NC Castle H.S., IN Center Grove H.S., IN Central Hardin H.S., KY Dobyns-Bennett H.S., TN Fishers H.S., IN Franklin H.S., TN Greendale H.S., WI Greenfield-Central H.S., IN Green Hope H.S., NC Haltom H.S., TX Henry Clay H.S., KY Homestead H.S., IN Jenison H.S., MI Kiski Area H.S., PA Lafayette H.S., LA Lakeland H.S., MI Lakota East H.S., OH Lawrence Township H.S., IN Lockport Township H.S., IL Marian Catholic H.S., IL Miamisburg H.S., OH Morton H.S., IL Munster H.S., IN Mustang H.S., OK Nixa H.S., MO Nordonia H.S., OH O'Fallon Township H.S., IL Plainfield H.S., IN Plymouth-Canton E.P., MI Rockford H.S., MI Ronald Reagan H.S., TX Rosemount H.S., MN South Greene H.S., TN South Oldham H.S., KY Talawanda H.S., OH Tarpon Springs H.S., FL Vista Ridge H.S., TX Walled Lake Central H.S., MI Wando H.S., SC Waukesha North H.S., WI Westwood H.S., TX Whitesboro H.S., TX William Mason H.S., OH Windermere H.S., FL Rumored (17):DeSoto Central H.S., MS Estill County H.S., KY James F. Byrnes H.S., SC Kennesaw Mountain H.S., GA Kiski Area H.S., PA L.D. Bell H.S., TX Lafayette H.S., KY Lake Hamilton H.S., AR LaRue County H.S., KY Madison Central H.S., KY North Hardin H.S., KY Panther Creek H.S., NC Prosper H.S.. TX South Laurel H.S., KY Union H.S., OK Wando H.S., SC Westfield H.S., VA Kiski is listed in both lists
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Post by Allohak on May 15, 2020 22:17:44 GMT -6
AS OF 05/15/2020 Confirmed (60):American Fork H.S., UT Avon H.S., IN Beechwood H.S., KY Bellevue West H.S., NE Ben Davis H.S., IN Blue Springs H.S., MO Boiling Springs H.S., SC Bourbon County H.S., KY Bridgeland H.S., TX Broken Arrow H.S., OK Brownsburg H.S., IN Camdenton H.S., MO Carmel H.S., IN Carlisle H.S., OH Carroll H.S., IN Cary H.S., NC Castle H.S., IN Center Grove H.S., IN Central Hardin H.S., KY Dobyns-Bennett H.S., TN Fishers H.S., IN Franklin H.S., TN Greendale H.S., WI Greenfield-Central H.S., IN Green Hope H.S., NC Haltom H.S., TX Henry Clay H.S., KY Homestead H.S., IN Jenison H.S., MI Kiski Area H.S., PA Lafayette H.S., LA Lakeland H.S., MI Lakota East H.S., OH Lawrence Township H.S., IN Lockport Township H.S., IL Marian Catholic H.S., IL Miamisburg H.S., OH Morton H.S., IL Munster H.S., IN Mustang H.S., OK Nixa H.S., MO Nordonia H.S., OH O'Fallon Township H.S., IL Plainfield H.S., IN Plymouth-Canton E.P., MI Rockford H.S., MI Ronald Reagan H.S., TX Rosemount H.S., MN South Greene H.S., TN South Oldham H.S., KY Talawanda H.S., OH Tarpon Springs H.S., FL Vista Ridge H.S., TX Walled Lake Central H.S., MI Wando H.S., SC Waukesha North H.S., WI Westwood H.S., TX Whitesboro H.S., TX William Mason H.S., OH Windermere H.S., FL Rumored (17):DeSoto Central H.S., MS Estill County H.S., KY James F. Byrnes H.S., SC Kennesaw Mountain H.S., GA Kiski Area H.S., PA L.D. Bell H.S., TX Lafayette H.S., KY Lake Hamilton H.S., AR LaRue County H.S., KY Madison Central H.S., KY North Hardin H.S., KY Panther Creek H.S., NC Prosper H.S.. TX South Laurel H.S., KY Union H.S., OK Wando H.S., SC Westfield H.S., VA Kiski is listed in both lists As is Wando
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