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Post by cornet on Oct 27, 2019 12:15:53 GMT -6
Regional or National Champions should not be named in incomplete BOA contests. So, Harrison should not been awarded trophy and title of Regional Championship and yes, everyone should just go home This is not a good take.
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Post by secret on Oct 27, 2019 12:32:35 GMT -6
I have a question for someone! It was posted earlier in this thread that Harrison is a bubble band? Do you mean they’re on the bubble to make finals at Grand Nats? After watching all of yesterday’s prelims on FloMarching I would agree that Harrison and James F Byrnes were the two best bands. Would Byrnes have won had everything worked properly? Who know but I do believe it would e been much closer. If any of you more seasoned band folks would like to chime in, who would be the top four or five bubble bands going to Grand Nationals this year? Yes, Harrison is a bubble band to make finals at Grand Nats. I didn't get to see their show yesterday, but from what I've heard it was a solid showing from them. This year's grand nats finals will be tough—it's hard to list just four or five bubble bands because, imo, there are so so many bands that could potentially sneak in.
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Post by Allohak on Oct 27, 2019 13:06:53 GMT -6
Regional or National Champions should not be named in incomplete BOA contests. So, Harrison should not been awarded trophy and title of Regional Championship and yes, everyone should just go home Yeah, because they're only partially winners and MFA is all about sort-of positive life changing experiences. *eyeroll
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Post by dbalash on Oct 27, 2019 14:11:27 GMT -6
Regional or National Champions should not be named in incomplete BOA contests. So, Harrison should not been awarded trophy and title of Regional Championship and yes, everyone should just go home Oh Lord, you're back? 🙄
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Post by scbandfan on Oct 27, 2019 14:36:07 GMT -6
Regional or National Champions should not be named in incomplete BOA contests. So, Harrison should not been awarded trophy and title of Regional Championship and yes, everyone should just go home Oh Lord, you're back? 🙄 Aww, you missed me. People will say we are in love
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Post by srv1084 on Oct 27, 2019 15:10:27 GMT -6
It's too bad there aren't similar examples of events being cut short with winners declared in other activities/sports. Like regular season baseball games being called after 5 innings and a winner declared in the event of rain/foul weather.
Yep, too bad indeed.
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Post by scbandfan on Oct 27, 2019 15:54:34 GMT -6
It's too bad there aren't similar examples of events being cut short with winners declared in other activities/sports. Like regular season baseball games being called after 5 innings and a winner declared in the event of rain/foul weather. Yep, too bad indeed. Its also Too bad these BOA contests are called CHAMPIONSHIPS. You see in baseball there is no calling a winner of an incomplete play once post season (championships) starts. They dont call a winner after 5 innings of play in the World Series. Would you advocate declaring a BOA National Champion after just prelims if something would prevent the venue from being used for semis or finals? Maybe it would be better to just not have a BOA National Champion that year instead of crowning a band National Champion right after 1 of 3 scheduled rounds of competition
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Post by surenlord on Oct 27, 2019 16:09:57 GMT -6
What was your opinion on summerville?
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Post by oboe12 on Oct 27, 2019 16:18:19 GMT -6
Wait. Is SCBandFan the legendary SCBand from the BOA forums? If so, I can't wait to hear about how terrible Fort Mill is and how North Carolina doesn't have real band programs
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Post by Allohak on Oct 27, 2019 16:28:01 GMT -6
Wait. Is SCBandFan the legendary SCBand from the BOA forums? If so, I can't wait to hear about how terrible Fort Mill is and how North Carolina doesn't have real band programs That does seem to be the case. The moderation team is aware and keeping an eye on things to make sure history doesn't repeat itself
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Post by marimba11 on Oct 27, 2019 16:48:23 GMT -6
It's too bad there aren't similar examples of events being cut short with winners declared in other activities/sports. Like regular season baseball games being called after 5 innings and a winner declared in the event of rain/foul weather. Yep, too bad indeed. Its also Too bad these BOA contests are called CHAMPIONSHIPS. You see in baseball there is no calling a winner of an incomplete play once post season (championships) starts. They dont call a winner after 5 innings of play in the World Series. Would you advocate declaring a BOA National Champion after just prelims if something would prevent the venue from being used for semis or finals? Maybe it would be better to just not have a BOA National Champion that year instead of crowning a band National Champion right after 1 of 3 scheduled rounds of competition Really? So we’re arguing the semantics of the word champion now... I’m pretty sure that was not your argument 4 years ago. Your argument then was fort mill didn’t deserve 1st based on only prelims scores. An “incomplete contest,” So many times does a band have to win to be considered a champion in your POV? Just finals? Prelims and finals? If that’s your issue why are you telling us? Tell it to MFA
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Post by supersound on Oct 27, 2019 16:54:28 GMT -6
I didn’t think I’d hear the words Fort Mill apologist today but here we are
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Post by supersound on Oct 27, 2019 16:55:05 GMT -6
After this Regional how do you think Harrison stacks up in chances to break into Grand Nationals finals
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Post by cornet on Oct 27, 2019 16:57:25 GMT -6
After this Regional how do you think Harrison stacks up in chances to break into Grand Nationals finals Slim to none.
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Post by srv1084 on Oct 27, 2019 17:05:32 GMT -6
It's too bad there aren't similar examples of events being cut short with winners declared in other activities/sports. Like regular season baseball games being called after 5 innings and a winner declared in the event of rain/foul weather. Yep, too bad indeed. Its also Too bad these BOA contests are called CHAMPIONSHIPS. You see in baseball there is no calling a winner of an incomplete play once post season (championships) starts. They dont call a winner after 5 innings of play in the World Series. Would you advocate declaring a BOA National Champion after just prelims if something would prevent the venue from being used for semis or finals? Maybe it would be better to just not have a BOA National Champion that year instead of crowning a band National Champion right after 1 of 3 scheduled rounds of competition Let's be real here, the regionals are the regular season. It's obvious BOA doesn't want weather playing a factor at the main event, hence an indoor facility. So many spices in the world beyond salt.
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Post by cornet on Oct 27, 2019 17:42:04 GMT -6
Stop comparing it to sports. They are regional championships and inherently individual in nature and not like a regular season/playoffs at all.
Unless and until you show me a sport where regular season division winners simply choose not to attend the playoffs while other teams can opt into the playoffs without playing the season out.
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Post by es203 on Oct 27, 2019 17:48:18 GMT -6
After this Regional how do you think Harrison stacks up in chances to break into Grand Nationals finals Any other year they would probably be in, but there’s the whole texpocalypse thing this year.
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Post by principalagent on Oct 27, 2019 17:57:31 GMT -6
After this Regional how do you think Harrison stacks up in chances to break into Grand Nationals finals Any other year they would probably be in, but there’s the whole texpocalypse thing this year. Ehh, the bottom kinda falls out after 8 or 9. Tons of room for many bands to sneak in.
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Post by secret on Oct 27, 2019 17:59:39 GMT -6
Any other year they would probably be in, but there’s the whole texpocalypse thing this year. Ehh, the bottom kinda falls out after 8 or 9. Tons of room for many bands to sneak in. Agreed. There is definitely room for Harrison to sneak in. But at the same time, I would not be surprised if they didn't.
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Post by oboe12 on Oct 27, 2019 18:33:16 GMT -6
Its also Too bad these BOA contests are called CHAMPIONSHIPS. You see in baseball there is no calling a winner of an incomplete play once post season (championships) starts. They dont call a winner after 5 innings of play in the World Series. Would you advocate declaring a BOA National Champion after just prelims if something would prevent the venue from being used for semis or finals? Maybe it would be better to just not have a BOA National Champion that year instead of crowning a band National Champion right after 1 of 3 scheduled rounds of competition Let's be real here, the regionals are the regular season. It's obvious BOA doesn't want weather playing a factor at the main event, hence an indoor facility. So many spices in the world beyond salt. I think it's totally possible that Harrison slides in.
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Post by marimba11 on Oct 27, 2019 18:39:38 GMT -6
Let's be real here, the regionals are the regular season. It's obvious BOA doesn't want weather playing a factor at the main event, hence an indoor facility. So many spices in the world beyond salt. I think it's totally possible that Harrison slides in. Yeah honestly I think they do. Having seen them live yesterday the talent is there and it’s clean. Ballad is great, closer slightly dirtier.
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Post by scbandfan on Oct 28, 2019 6:20:59 GMT -6
Wait. Is SCBandFan the legendary SCBand from the BOA forums? If so, I can't wait to hear about how terrible Fort Mill is and how North Carolina doesn't have real band programs FTR, I never said that North Carolina doesnt have real band programs. I have said South Carolina has better band programs because partly of how marching band is viewed and handled in SC vs NC. AND, I dont believe Fort Mill is terrible. Fort Mill is a storied program with a history of success on State and BOA level. I merely gave my opinion on various contests that FM was involved in to offer a counterbalance to the Fort Mill fanboys that frequent various marching band forums.
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Post by oboe12 on Oct 28, 2019 6:31:05 GMT -6
I was merely exercising hyperbole. You never bothered me even though I did strongly disagree with a lot of your opinions.
However, as a fan of college football in the ACC Coastal, I have to admit that the chaos caused by your opinions was satisfying (sorry y'all)
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Post by scbandfan on Oct 28, 2019 6:32:07 GMT -6
Its also Too bad these BOA contests are called CHAMPIONSHIPS. You see in baseball there is no calling a winner of an incomplete play once post season (championships) starts. They dont call a winner after 5 innings of play in the World Series. Would you advocate declaring a BOA National Champion after just prelims if something would prevent the venue from being used for semis or finals? Maybe it would be better to just not have a BOA National Champion that year instead of crowning a band National Champion right after 1 of 3 scheduled rounds of competition Really? So we’re arguing the semantics of the word champion now... I’m pretty sure that was not your argument 4 years ago. Your argument then was fort mill didn’t deserve 1st based on only prelims scores. An “incomplete contest,” So many times does a band have to win to be considered a champion in your POV? Just finals? Prelims and finals? If that’s your issue why are you telling us? Tell it to MFA And I stand by that statement today. Harrison didnt deserve to be named Champion any more than Fort Mill 4 years ago because of an incomplete contest. Again, I ask you and anyone else, if Grand Nationals had to be cut short after just prelims if the venue was damaged or any other unforeseeable circumstance, would you be good with calling the highest scoring band in prelims, the Grand Champion. Do you think the band directors and members of FM band are happy with 6th place? Do you think they believe that they could have finished higher if there was a finals? But of course, i bet the FM crowd would not use that same logic 4 years ago when Harrison most likely would have beat them in Finals if there was one. And if it all about the "art" of marching band like some people want to claim, then what is wrong with just not naming a Regional Champion if Finals are cancelled. They still have winners of the class A-AAAA, give them medals and be done with it. Even name the bands that would have made finals. Yes, a Regional Champion should be crowned only after a complete contest. We have all seen too any swingy scores from prelims to finals and I have listened to the same argument that prelims are ONLY used to make sure the right bands are in Finals and so you shouldnt focus too much on scoring in prelims And I am telling yall and not MFA because this is a DISCUSSION board. Have you taken all of your critiques/criticisms that you post to MFA? If not, by your own logic, you shouldnt be bringing up any critiques/criticism of MFA on the forum either but we know that is not the case
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Post by principalagent on Oct 28, 2019 6:55:18 GMT -6
Of all the hills in the world—even all the hills in the band world—imagine choosing this one to die on.
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Post by hewhowaits on Oct 28, 2019 7:17:59 GMT -6
In regards to the point of naming a champion after prelims being an "incomplete contest," it must be noted that many competitions are single-performace. This includes some championship competitions such as MSBA Open Class every year.
With respect to how I would react to GN ending after prelims or semifinals, it would be dissapointment but based on the precedent that exists I would accept the first place band as the winner. After semifinals I could even argue that it's agreement rather than acceptance.
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Post by marimba11 on Oct 28, 2019 8:25:24 GMT -6
Of all the hills in the world—even all the hills in the band world—imagine choosing this one to die on. Haha! Laughing out loud over here!!🤣😭
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Post by LeanderMomma on Oct 28, 2019 9:33:49 GMT -6
Mr South Carolina Band Fan does bring up an interesting point although his approach definitely needs some work.
The point being, what makes prelims results so much weaker than finals? Why do some of the scores change radically between the two? I have always wondered why things sometimes change dramatically from prelims to finals when it’s the same bands performing twice on the same day.
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Post by hewhowaits on Oct 28, 2019 10:01:10 GMT -6
Mr South Carolina Band Fan does bring up an interesting point although his approach definitely needs some work. The point being, what makes prelims results so much weaker than finals? Why do some of the scores change radically between the two? I have always wondered why things sometimes change dramatically from prelims to finals when it’s the same bands performing twice on the same day. Part of the change is that the judges change captions they are judging and there is a difference in perspective.
Part of the change is related to how close together the bands perform - closer in time is easier for the judges to do a direct comparison.
Part of the change is that with fewer bands to fit into the scoring range there is room for wider spreads among the finalist bands than there was in prelims.
Part of the change is due do differences in how well each band performed each time - some bands do better on the second run, others may not.
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Post by LeanderMomma on Oct 28, 2019 10:57:06 GMT -6
So how do you truly crown a winner when any band could take it based on one performance?
Just a rhetorical question. I actually like the whole set up just the way it is. Makes for a more exciting and interesting contest!
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