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Post by Allohak on Nov 2, 2019 17:57:17 GMT -6
Anybody catch prelims awards for this? I watched Ayala but had to get something to eat
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Post by hewhowaits on Nov 2, 2019 18:02:09 GMT -6
Anybody catch prelims awards for this? I watched Ayala but had to get something to eat Got back from dinner at friends' house just in time to only catch AAAA top 3
1. Ayala H.S., CA 2. Sierra Vista H.S., NV 3. Perry H.S., AZ
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Post by Allohak on Nov 2, 2019 18:07:25 GMT -6
Anybody catch prelims awards for this? I watched Ayala but had to get something to eat Got back from dinner at friends' house just in time to only catch AAAA top 3
1. Ayala H.S., CA 2. Sierra Vista H.S., NV 3. Perry H.S., AZ
What about the list of finalists?!?
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Post by hewhowaits on Nov 2, 2019 18:16:14 GMT -6
On the San Antonio Flo we heard the other two class champions identified.
AAA - Clovis West H.S., CA AA - Covina H.S., CA
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Post by Allohak on Nov 2, 2019 18:19:23 GMT -6
Well, those class champions are surprising (said absolutely no one)
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Post by hewhowaits on Nov 2, 2019 18:51:50 GMT -6
Prelims Results
Class AA 1st Covina H.S., CA 2nd Christopher H.S., CA Music–Covina H.S., CA Visual–Covina H.S., CA G.E.–Covina H.S., CA
Class AAA 1st Clovis West H.S., CA 2nd Liberty H.S., CA Music–Clovis West H.S., CA Visual–Clovis West H.S., CA G.E.–Clovis West H.S., CA
Class AAAA 1st Ayala H.S., CA 2nd Sierra Vista H.S., NV 3rd Perry H.S., AZ Music–Ayala H.S., CA Visual–Ayala H.S., CA G.E. –Ayala H.S., CA
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Post by hewhowaits on Nov 2, 2019 18:53:04 GMT -6
Finals Schedule
7:00 p.m. – Palo Verde H.S., NV 7:15 p.m. – Christopher H.S., CA 7:30 p.m. – Bakersfield H.S., CA 7:45 p.m. – Liberty H.S., CA 8:00 p.m. – Perry H.S., AZ 8:15 p.m. – Sierra Vista H.S., NV 8:30 p.m. – Covina H.S., CA 8:45 p.m. – Ayala H.S., CA 9:00 p.m. – Clovis West H.S., CA
I don't know why North Bakersfield is not on the list for finals.
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Post by bigtrombone on Nov 2, 2019 23:28:16 GMT -6
Final Results
1. Ayala H.S., CA 85.30 2. Clovis West H.S., CA 75.70 3. Sierra Vista H.S., AZ 72.50 4. Covina H.S., CA 70.40 5. Liberty H.S., CA 68.80 6. Perry H.S., AZ 68.40 7. Bakersfield H.S., CA 64.25 8. Christopher H.S., CA 62.85 9. Palo Verde H.S., NV 54.40
Outstanding Music Performance: Ayala H.S., CA Outstanding Visual Peformance: Ayala H.S., CA Outstanding General Effect: Ayala H.S., CA
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Post by Allohak on Nov 2, 2019 23:34:33 GMT -6
"This was cake" -Ayala, probably
More seriously, beating the field by 10 (ok, 9.6, but still) is really impressive
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Post by Subito Fortissimo on Nov 2, 2019 23:37:09 GMT -6
I feel like Ayala's score definitely cannot be taken at face value here either when thinking ahead to GN, seeing as they did not have any competition at this show. They may or may not have broken 90 at a tougher show but the number would have almost certainly been higher.
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Post by boahistorybuff on Nov 3, 2019 4:01:17 GMT -6
This is regional win number 12 for Ayala. They have more regional titles than any other California band.
Since I do not have all of the recaps for pre 1985 BOA regionals, I can not say if this is the biggest point separation between 1st and 2nd at a regional, but it is certainly up there.
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Post by Subito Fortissimo on Nov 3, 2019 10:07:14 GMT -6
So apparently North Bakersfield did not attend at all? They aren't on the prelims recap. Did anyone actually watch all of this show yesterday that can confirm? I can't imagine viewership was very high with San Antonio going on at the same time.
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Post by cinnamonpromenade on Nov 3, 2019 11:17:36 GMT -6
This is regional win number 12 for Ayala. They have more regional titles than any other California band. Since I do not have all of the recaps for pre 1985 BOA regionals, I can not say if this is the biggest point separation between 1st and 2nd at a regional, but it is certainly up there. Off the top of your head, do you know of any other times where the spread between 1st and 2nd was even half as large?
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Post by srv1084 on Nov 3, 2019 11:51:17 GMT -6
This is regional win number 12 for Ayala. They have more regional titles than any other California band. Since I do not have all of the recaps for pre 1985 BOA regionals, I can not say if this is the biggest point separation between 1st and 2nd at a regional, but it is certainly up there. Off the top of your head, do you know of any other times where the spread between 1st and 2nd was even half as large? There was a Northeast regional within the past ~10 years where Lassiter came up and scored roughly a 85 while nobody else broke 80.
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Post by dbalash on Nov 3, 2019 12:25:11 GMT -6
This is regional win number 12 for Ayala. They have more regional titles than any other California band. Since I do not have all of the recaps for pre 1985 BOA regionals, I can not say if this is the biggest point separation between 1st and 2nd at a regional, but it is certainly up there. Off the top of your head, do you know of any other times where the spread between 1st and 2nd was even half as large? Marian won the 1988 Normal, IL regional by 7.25 over Lincoln-Way.
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Post by boahistorybuff on Nov 3, 2019 12:44:29 GMT -6
This is regional win number 12 for Ayala. They have more regional titles than any other California band. Since I do not have all of the recaps for pre 1985 BOA regionals, I can not say if this is the biggest point separation between 1st and 2nd at a regional, but it is certainly up there. Off the top of your head, do you know of any other times where the spread between 1st and 2nd was even half as large? There have actually been several over the decades, too many to remember.
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Post by oboe12 on Nov 4, 2019 10:09:10 GMT -6
This is regional win number 12 for Ayala. They have more regional titles than any other California band. Since I do not have all of the recaps for pre 1985 BOA regionals, I can not say if this is the biggest point separation between 1st and 2nd at a regional, but it is certainly up there. Off the top of your head, do you know of any other times where the spread between 1st and 2nd was even half as large? More recently, at the 2014 Atlanta Super Regional, Tarpon Springs beat William Mason (1st and 5th at GN a few weeks later) by 4.9.
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Nov 4, 2019 15:05:20 GMT -6
Final Results [...] 7. Bakersfield H.S., CA 64.25 8. Christopher H.S., CA 62.85 9. Palo Verde H.S., NV 54.40 Taking those scores at face value, at least 60 of the 69 Ohio bands I saw at OMEA over the weekend could have made this Finals. And I think that says less about the quality or quantity of Ohio bands than about participation: why is it that so few west coast bands choose to appear in BOA?
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Post by lostchoirguy on Nov 4, 2019 16:28:12 GMT -6
Final Results [...] 7. Bakersfield H.S., CA 64.25 8. Christopher H.S., CA 62.85 9. Palo Verde H.S., NV 54.40 Taking those scores at face value, at least 60 of the 69 Ohio bands I saw at OMEA over the weekend could have made this Finals. And I think that says less about the quality or quantity of Ohio bands than about participation: why is it that so few west coast bands choose to appear in BOA? Well, when you say "made this finals" you do realize that every band that competed made finals, right? But I dont have an answer for your question.
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Nov 4, 2019 19:12:50 GMT -6
Taking those scores at face value, at least 60 of the 69 Ohio bands I saw at OMEA over the weekend could have made this Finals. And I think that says less about the quality or quantity of Ohio bands than about participation: why is it that so few west coast bands choose to appear in BOA? Well, when you say "made this finals" you do realize that every band that competed made finals, right? But I don't have an answer for your question. I did not. For some reason I thought there were more bands in Prelims. My apologies. But the question remains for anyone who knows: what's happening in California that discourages bands from taking part in BOA?
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Post by srv1084 on Nov 4, 2019 19:51:39 GMT -6
Well, when you say "made this finals" you do realize that every band that competed made finals, right? But I don't have an answer for your question. I did not. For some reason I thought there were more bands in Prelims. My apologies. But the question remains for anyone who knows: what's happening in California that discourages bands from taking part in BOA? I'm certainly not qualified to answer this, but I can't help but wonder if it's due to drastically different scoring systems, resulting in bands approaching design very differently. Looking at WBA recaps, it seems GE is only weighted at 30% of total score, with music getting 30%, visual 20%, and guard and percussion being averaged to account for 20% of the total score. It seems like a system partially modeled after DCI, with the difference being effected weighted at 10% less. Also, it looks like there are a few bands popping some pretty high scores in Class 5A. Chino Hills is scoring in the high 80s. Can't help but wonder if they'll be challenging Ayala in a few weeks. recaps.competitionsuite.com/52d364a3-ca3b-4364-99f2-f936828776c4.htm
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Post by Subito Fortissimo on Nov 4, 2019 21:52:29 GMT -6
I did not. For some reason I thought there were more bands in Prelims. My apologies. But the question remains for anyone who knows: what's happening in California that discourages bands from taking part in BOA? I'm certainly not qualified to answer this, but I can't help but wonder if it's due to drastically different scoring systems, resulting in bands approaching design very differently. Looking at WBA recaps, it seems GE is only weighted at 30% of total score, with music getting 30%, visual 20%, and guard and percussion being averaged to account for 20% of the total score. It seems like a system partially modeled after DCI, with the difference being effected weighted at 10% less. Also, it looks like there are a few bands popping some pretty high scores in Class 5A. Chino Hills is scoring in the high 80s. Can't help but wonder if they'll be challenging Ayala in a few weeks. recaps.competitionsuite.com/52d364a3-ca3b-4364-99f2-f936828776c4.htmInteresting looking at that recap that Maui HS was there. I believe they were originally signed up for this BOA regional until the venue changed. I would guess they had already made their plane reservations by the time the change happened and decided to find a different show more local to LA.
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Post by srv1084 on Nov 4, 2019 22:24:47 GMT -6
I'm certainly not qualified to answer this, but I can't help but wonder if it's due to drastically different scoring systems, resulting in bands approaching design very differently. Looking at WBA recaps, it seems GE is only weighted at 30% of total score, with music getting 30%, visual 20%, and guard and percussion being averaged to account for 20% of the total score. It seems like a system partially modeled after DCI, with the difference being effected weighted at 10% less. Also, it looks like there are a few bands popping some pretty high scores in Class 5A. Chino Hills is scoring in the high 80s. Can't help but wonder if they'll be challenging Ayala in a few weeks. recaps.competitionsuite.com/52d364a3-ca3b-4364-99f2-f936828776c4.htmInteresting looking at that recap that Maui HS was there. I believe they were originally signed up for this BOA regional until the venue changed. I would guess they had already made their plane reservations by the time the change happened and decided to find a different show more local to LA. Good catch, I didn't even notice that. Interesting that they would take another trip so soon after coming to GN a couple years back. Certainly can't be cheap for them.
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Post by turfday on Nov 4, 2019 23:35:11 GMT -6
Interesting looking at that recap that Maui HS was there. I believe they were originally signed up for this BOA regional until the venue changed. I would guess they had already made their plane reservations by the time the change happened and decided to find a different show more local to LA. Good catch, I didn't even notice that. Interesting that they would take another trip so soon after coming to GN a couple years back. Certainly can't be cheap for them. It isn’t cheap for them but they have the money. Any Hawaiian school that goes all the way to Indy has to be at least a degree wealthier than their other Hawaiian counterparts! Nothing against them they’re a great program I’m sure puts effort into their shows! They just have the bonus of being able to consistently afford trips for their students!
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Post by marimba11 on Nov 5, 2019 8:16:48 GMT -6
This is something I know that we have talked about many times on the different forums. For CA bands, there are a TON of different circuits to compete in. Western Bands Association (WBA)- the primary circuit for the best in the region, get to mix it up with good bands in other states Southern California School Band and Orchestra Association (SCSBOA) California Music Education Association (CMEA) California State Band Championships (CSBC) Marching Band Open Series (MBOS) Northern California Band Association (NCBA) Plus add in things like ABODA and NMEA (other circuits in Arizona and Nevada) and bands have a very complete schedule. Also a few other factors on the BOA side 1. I am feeling that one of the only reasons Ayala went to this show was because this is their GN year, so they wanted some BOA commentary 2. Put in factors such as Vista Murrieta going to SA 3. And then you can see who is going to go to this show. Only 7 CA bands at this event. Will be very interesting to see how this event progresses in the future I highly doubt Ayala would skip out on boa even not going to GN
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Post by Allohak on Nov 5, 2019 10:27:44 GMT -6
This is something I know that we have talked about many times on the different forums. For CA bands, there are a TON of different circuits to compete in. Western Bands Association (WBA)- the primary circuit for the best in the region, get to mix it up with good bands in other states Southern California School Band and Orchestra Association (SCSBOA) California Music Education Association (CMEA) California State Band Championships (CSBC) Marching Band Open Series (MBOS) Northern California Band Association (NCBA) Plus add in things like ABODA and NMEA (other circuits in Arizona and Nevada) and bands have a very complete schedule. Also a few other factors on the BOA side 1. I am feeling that one of the only reasons Ayala went to this show was because this is their GN year, so they wanted some BOA commentary 2. Put in factors such as Vista Murrieta going to SA 3. And then you can see who is going to go to this show. Only 7 CA bands at this event. Will be very interesting to see how this event progresses in the future I highly doubt Ayala would skip out on boa even not going to GN I believe he meant this event in particular. They could easily go to St. George instead.
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Post by marimba11 on Nov 5, 2019 10:56:24 GMT -6
I highly doubt Ayala would skip out on boa even not going to GN I believe he meant this event in particular. They could easily go to St. George instead. Fair point. But the Bakersfield show is probably a day trip for Ayala. St george would probably be an overnight at least on a year they’re already going to GN.
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Post by cinnamonpromenade on Nov 5, 2019 17:06:33 GMT -6
As mentioned earlier, a number of competitive groups, including Maui and Homestead, were signed up for this BOA regional, but canceled after the venue was displaced 2+ hours north of LA. I know Homestead, if not others, went to Disneyland on Sunday, so the proximity to LA could literally have been the determining factor for this show.
I remember hearing a few years back that most CA bands are self-funded: that is, they receive no money from the school district. I also think that students can't be required to pay money for extracurriculars?? So if your program is self-funded AND your kids can participate without paying their full dues... I could easily see why groups would avoid the expenses of BOA shows.
AZ schools have similar funding issues. They also have two main circuits: the more antiquated ABODA and the more WBA-style AzMBA. More and more schools are choosing between competing in just one of the two––for example, Perry HS only does AzMBA, meaning they didn't have ABODA semifinals this past weekend, hence freeing them to do this BOA regional. Desert Vista and Corona Del Sol, on the other hand, participate only in ABODA, which is why they're able to skip the AzMBA championships this upcoming weekend to do the St. George BOA regional.
With CA's and AZ's seasons running so late into November, it doesn't make sense for them to compete in a BOA show until late in the season. But with so many local circuits having so many important shows this time of year, it's hard to also find time to do BOA.
These are mostly just theories as to why California regionals are so ill-attended... I'd be curious to hear of any other factors preventing Southwestern bands from doing BOA.
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