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Post by boahistorybuff on Mar 31, 2020 12:52:07 GMT -6
You know, I was thinking in Ohio a lot of schools rely on levys and of course taxes from revenue of its citizens, and retailers of their cities to run obviously ...public schools, socialism at its finest. Throw in this pandemic with sooo many people and retailers not working, not being able to pay their bills, Big retailers, like MALLs closed, CHEESE CAKE FACTORY not even paying their rent,Cinemas closed, etc.....I wonder if there will be EXTRA CURRICULAR ACTIVITIES DISCONTINUED for a while due to funding, things like band programs, choir, theater, certain sports, etc....any thoughts? A lot will depend on how current and future stimulus money funnels into the local tax base.
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Post by thewho on Mar 31, 2020 12:57:24 GMT -6
I think it's a very real possibilty that several activities will be cancelled. However, many of the band booster organizations happen to be standalone 501c3s. While the money funneling into these organizations may slow down (cancelled fundraisers, recession impacting donations, etc.), I don't think they'll entirely be out of the count. Assuming these organizations have been using their money wisely and efficiently (investments into trucks, keeping a rain check somewhere, etc.), I think sone programs might be able to ride out the storm for a bit.
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Post by Subito Fortissimo on Mar 31, 2020 20:12:04 GMT -6
I think it's a very real possibilty that several activities will be cancelled. However, many of the band booster organizations happen to be standalone 501c3s. While the money funneling into these organizations may slow down (cancelled fundraisers, recession impacting donations, etc.), I don't think they'll entirely be out of the count. Assuming these organizations have been using their money wisely and efficiently (investments into trucks, keeping a rain check somewhere, etc.), I think sone programs might be able to ride out the storm for a bit. I would think most booster organizations that are 501c3 won't have an issue. If the band programs don't operate then they should have basically no costs while this is going on. Only potential problem could be if they're carrying debt with scheduled payments, but I imagine that could be reworked given the situation.
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Post by bearscott85 on Mar 31, 2020 20:39:53 GMT -6
Watching special on news with large panel of Doctors/Scientists right now on tv discussing this darn virus...ALL are saying that we here in the U.S. will see the resurgence of this virus this fall! And we are not even at the peak of it yet!!!! I can't even believe this is happening.
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Post by paddy on Apr 1, 2020 8:03:28 GMT -6
I think it's a very real possibilty that several activities will be cancelled. However, many of the band booster organizations happen to be standalone 501c3s. While the money funneling into these organizations may slow down (cancelled fundraisers, recession impacting donations, etc.), I don't think they'll entirely be out of the count. Assuming these organizations have been using their money wisely and efficiently (investments into trucks, keeping a rain check somewhere, etc.), I think sone programs might be able to ride out the storm for a bit. I would think most booster organizations that are 501c3 won't have an issue. If the band programs don't operate then they should have basically no costs while this is going on. Only potential problem could be if they're carrying debt with scheduled payments, but I imagine that could be reworked given the situation. It will be a tough balancing act. Yes, if a band program doesn't operate there will be reduced costs. However, when will they know they won't operate? Most top-tier groups are in the design process for fall. Designers will have to be paid, deposits made on props/costumes/flags, music arrangers paid. What do you do with your tech staff? Most of them are long time members of a staff that rely on the stipends as part of their income. Do you cut them off and hope they will come back in the summer or fall if the season is a go? How many booster organizations are carrying expenses from winter programs that were cut short and thus cut back on fees charged to students? How many have families not paying their winter fees due to job loss or furlough as the economy slows? How many are being asked for refunds or pre-paid fees? The big programs will probably be fine, but there are many mid-size programs that operate on a thin margin. At a certain level it is frowned upon for a 501c3 pass through like a band booster operation to carry large cash balances. If a kid is charged $500 bucks to be in marching band, they should receive the benefit of $500 dollars worth of marching band. They shouldn't get $400 so the boosters can bank $100.
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Post by bearscott85 on Apr 1, 2020 8:56:17 GMT -6
I know, it's exhausting to think about...Governor DeWine of Ohio has said Ohio will probably have school stay closed the remainder of the year. I dont think Mason was even able to vote yet on their school levy? Anybody know? They usually don't have any problems with that. This has just got to end sometime! GOD BLESS US ALL!
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Post by hewhowaits on Apr 1, 2020 9:40:48 GMT -6
I know, it's exhausting to think about...Governor DeWine of Ohio has said Ohio will probably have school stay closed the remainder of the year. I dont think Mason was even able to vote yet on their school levy? Anybody know? They usually don't have any problems with that. This has just got to end sometime! GOD BLESS US ALL! The latest on the school levy vote (and all primaries for Ohio) is that there will be no further in-person voting, all votes already cast will count, and the deadline for remote (absentee) voting is April 28.
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Post by boafan14 on Apr 1, 2020 15:07:16 GMT -6
As much as I hate to say it, the probability of BOA still happening this fall is decreasing everyday and it breaks my heart that this is even a possibility in the first place:( The resurgence of this virus in the fall is an unfortunate growing possibility, and I can't even wrap my head around how rising seniors would feel if their last season was cancelled.
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Apr 1, 2020 15:19:35 GMT -6
As much as I hate to say it, the probability of BOA still happening this fall is decreasing everyday and it breaks my heart that this is even a possibility in the first place:( The resurgence of this virus in the fall is an unfortunate growing possibility, and I can't even wrap my head around how rising seniors would feel if their last season was cancelled. I sort of agree. I'm active on an IU sports board and there is a discussion on the fate of Fall sports and the notion of IU Football in the Fall seems to be increasingly regarded as iffy at best. I'm hopeful (not just for band of course) that this thing runs its course and disappears sooner, but I'd really not be surprised to see pretty much all of 2020 wiped out as far as anything non-essential. Hopefully that's not the case. But I'd wager we'll see some school districts put the skids on extracurricular activities this Fall if there is any sniff of this still going around.
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Post by thewho on Apr 1, 2020 15:49:54 GMT -6
I was also hoping this would not be the case and the pandemic crisis would resolve by then, but each passing day also gives me less reason to believe that outcome would be possible.
I'm so incredibly sorrowful for everyone in the activity. My family was able to get by in the wake '08 recession (though we came close several times), consequently being able to keep me out of any serious disruption in our lifestyles. To have this pandemic's wreckage reach even the smallest of us all... I can't help my hang my head in shock sometimes
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Post by Leasingflyer on Apr 1, 2020 18:36:31 GMT -6
Hey guys, let’s not lose hope over this. This pandemic is very serious and it does potentially threaten the boa season, but if we give in to the state of hopelessness, then we are ultimately losing this pandemic battle. Let’s take China into consideration, they are doing better now and so are other countries. USA can be next if we play our strategy smart enough.I believe that by practicing social distancing, and not letting the negative news affect my life, we can overcome this. Part of the problem is people too! So let’s focus on the good news. They are developing and testing vaccines. That’s one step closer. As stated previously, some countries are doing better? That’s another step closer. So let’s just use the good news and the even some of the bad news to help make our situation better. In conclusion, let’s hope, hope, and stick together because there is a light at the end of this tunnel.❤️
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Post by bandaid on Apr 2, 2020 15:31:50 GMT -6
Just announced today all Indiana schools will remain closed the remainder of the school year.
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Post by boahistorybuff on Apr 3, 2020 4:25:49 GMT -6
Just announced today all Indiana schools will remain closed the remainder of the school year. Michigan schools will also be closed through the rest of the school year. I suspect every state will be doing this at some point.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2020 8:27:00 GMT -6
Georgia was just announced on Wednesday
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Post by bearscott85 on Apr 3, 2020 16:11:19 GMT -6
I'm sure Ohio schools will follow suit...and with experts saying the resurgence of this to take place in the fall, likely September, I can't even imagine programs of any kind feeling safe to start up and even be allowed to travel. Wow....
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Post by bearscott85 on Apr 3, 2020 20:00:43 GMT -6
Just read an article where lawmakers are warning USPS Could shut down by June....by CBS NEWS
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Post by rabb2t on Apr 4, 2020 6:57:00 GMT -6
I know of a one parade that cancelled for the June camp season. Anyone else know of any Summer parades that have news?
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Post by Shroom on Apr 4, 2020 11:25:03 GMT -6
I know of a one parade that cancelled for the June camp season. Anyone else know of any Summer parades that have news? The VP parade at St. Louis is off
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Apr 5, 2020 15:53:10 GMT -6
Here is an interesting analysis from Morningstar. For those that don't know Morningstar is primarily concerned with investment analysis and such. They examine in some detail various scenarios and the likelihood of each. It's quite lengthy but you needn't really read the whole thing unless you're interested in the methodology. The interesting (and easy to understand) parts are the charts mid-way down that show the scenarios and probabilities, and what those would mean. The "base" is essentially the most likely at 50%, the "bull" scenario represents the best case with a likelihood of 20%, and the "bear" scenario is a wost case with a likelihood of 30%. When you look at each note things which are likely to be shut down, fully or partially, by month. Note that in the Base scenario and the Bear scenario (80% total) there would be zero large event for the remainder on 2020. Even in the Bull scenario there are still limited large events through September. All prognostication, of course, but an interesting read from a financial company who does this sort of analysys. www.morningstar.com/articles/976107/coronavirus-update-long-term-economic-impact-forecast-to-be-less-than-2008-recession
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Post by bandaid on Apr 6, 2020 16:59:05 GMT -6
Should we all get lucky and have a marching band season I am curious how bands will recruit when some states have closed schools the remainder of the year.
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Post by Leasingflyer on Apr 6, 2020 20:56:52 GMT -6
Should we all get lucky and have a marching band season I am curious how bands will recruit when some states have closed schools the remainder of the year. I know a lot of schools that are doing online auditions for percussion, guard etc. Some are even doing auditions in June/ July
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Post by hewhowaits on Apr 7, 2020 5:50:52 GMT -6
On a lighter note:
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Post by paddy on Apr 7, 2020 9:44:24 GMT -6
Should we all get lucky and have a marching band season I am curious how bands will recruit when some states have closed schools the remainder of the year. I know a lot of schools that are doing online auditions for percussion, guard etc. Some are even doing auditions in June/ July Please define "a lot". How many schools actually audition for spots? I understand auditioning for battery assignments, but I have seen reference to auditions just to be in the winds. With that said, auditions are actually easier than recruiting when you are a no-cut program.
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Apr 7, 2020 10:40:27 GMT -6
I know a lot of schools that are doing online auditions for percussion, guard etc. Some are even doing auditions in June/ July Please define "a lot". How many schools actually audition for spots? I understand auditioning for battery assignments, but I have seen reference to auditions just to be in the winds. With that said, auditions are actually easier than recruiting when you are a no-cut program. Yeah, guard auditions, sure. Percussion auditions, yeah. But actual membership auditions for the brass/winds? I doubt that too many groups have that luxury. Now you'll excuse me while I weep a bucket of tears for their hardship.
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Post by Leasingflyer on Apr 7, 2020 13:12:56 GMT -6
I know a lot of schools that are doing online auditions for percussion, guard etc. Some are even doing auditions in June/ July Please define "a lot". How many schools actually audition for spots? I understand auditioning for battery assignments, but I have seen reference to auditions just to be in the winds. With that said, auditions are actually easier than recruiting when you are a no-cut program. j Well I can only speak for myself but the schools in my county are pushing back registration(which would happen about right about now) i to May or even June. Also some schools might just have virtual auditions for wind members if they aren’t a no cut. Registration will be severely affected by this but that’s all I know.
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Post by abtwitch on Apr 7, 2020 13:33:48 GMT -6
Westwood for one has a "JV" of sorts, members who only march at football games with simpler drill near the back sideline that we call "x-box" (because on the drill cards their letter is X#). They usually end up getting moved on to prop or pit crew throughout the season, but it is a very sizable group, usually pushing 50 marchers. However, we don't have auditions for "varsity" until the second week of band camp, but other groups might do it differently.
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Post by paddy on Apr 7, 2020 14:52:09 GMT -6
Please define "a lot". How many schools actually audition for spots? I understand auditioning for battery assignments, but I have seen reference to auditions just to be in the winds. With that said, auditions are actually easier than recruiting when you are a no-cut program. Yeah, guard auditions, sure. Percussion auditions, yeah. But actual membership auditions for the brass/winds? I doubt that too many groups have that luxury. Now you'll excuse me while I weep a bucket of tears for their hardship. Ha. Even in a situation where you are "auditioning" for percussion and guard most schools I know aren't cutting kids. They are just fitting kids in the right spot.
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Apr 7, 2020 14:59:21 GMT -6
Yeah, guard auditions, sure. Percussion auditions, yeah. But actual membership auditions for the brass/winds? I doubt that too many groups have that luxury. Now you'll excuse me while I weep a bucket of tears for their hardship. Ha. Even in a situation where you are "auditioning" for percussion and guard most schools I know aren't cutting kids. They are just fitting kids in the right spot. Exactly. Perhaps it's common with some of these massive Texas programs, and I'm sure a school like BA has such a luxury, but I don't think any Indiana schools (though not sure about Carmel) cuts kids from membership. Most are begging for everyone they can get.
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Post by paddy on Apr 7, 2020 15:15:31 GMT -6
Ha. Even in a situation where you are "auditioning" for percussion and guard most schools I know aren't cutting kids. They are just fitting kids in the right spot. Exactly. Perhaps it's common with some of these massive Texas programs, and I'm sure a school like BA has such a luxury, but I don't think any Indiana schools (though not sure about Carmel) cuts kids from membership. Most are begging for everyone they can get. With as many kids as Carmel puts on the field I can't imagine they cut any. I wonder if Carmel could field both a Scholastic and Open marching band...
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Post by jeremiah on Apr 7, 2020 16:39:02 GMT -6
BA has the Pride (competition band) and the Tradition (football pep band), but all Pride members are also in the Tradition. Dobyns-Bennett has a similar set up with an auditioned competitive band pulled from their everyone football band. I think it's pretty common for bands to have auditions of some sort to at least determine who is marching on the field and who is an alternate (roles vary between programs, but could include running met, pushing props, football games only, etc.).
Coppell actually has a JV competitive band that goes to different competitions than the Varsity competitive band simultaneously, which is very rare. I don't know of any other band that does that, other than Lassiter 20 years ago.
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