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Post by hewhowaits on May 1, 2020 8:44:06 GMT -6
Youβre killing it with the dad jokes hewhowaits . π€£ Allohak had to learn somewhere.
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Post by Samuel Culper on May 1, 2020 14:01:45 GMT -6
I have a hard time wrapping my head around the idea that using outside talent is bad and that bands should only use internal staff.
How does that work for a Class D or C Indiana Band which is basically an BOA A Class Band? I understand that they are outside the norm for Texas where practically everyone is a AAA or AAAA, but it is reality here. A good Class D program likely has 1 full time band director. They may have a interested elementary music teacher that helps out some, but other than that there are zero music educators in their entire school district. That one person is supposed to do the following themselves or find people within their district to: write drill choreograph and teach body choreograph and teach guard routines arrange music design props teach basics On top of: Teach band (and sometimes 2 sections of general music, a choir and carry 2 lunch duties) Run rehearsals Run sectionals Manage the budget Attend to all the other things teachers do (staff meetings, IEP meetings, meet with their principal about evaluations) Try to have some semblance of life outside band Maybe you get lucky and you are able to cobble together enough money from your boosters and your school district to hire a triple threat marching arts savant for $28k and no benefits that will handle a bunch of that, but maybe they will just crap out golden eggs too. It is a strange position to take and I can only speculate as to its genesis. Not all band programs have the same staffing ratios, as you point out. Bands also vary greatly as to the specific conditions under which they operate. The playing field, as it were, is far from level. Everybody knows this. Some programs effectively operate with more resources, that is true. But it is also true that many of those resources are paid for through much of the blood, sweat and tears of fundraising efforts by those same kids who are benefiting. I, for one, see absolutely no sense in mentally marking them down for this extra measure of devotion. And I have seen some of the most fantastic, emotionally gripping performances on the field, both by bands who have many of those advantages as well as bands who have none of them. I see none of the correlation that dallasman implies. I suspect there is a heavy dose of confirmation bias in his observations.
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Post by ohioguy2 on May 1, 2020 15:31:42 GMT -6
I have a hard time wrapping my head around the idea that using outside talent is bad and that bands should only use internal staff. How does that work for a Class D or C Indiana Band which is basically an BOA A Class Band? I understand that they are outside the norm for Texas where practically everyone is a AAA or AAAA, but it is reality here. A good Class D program likely has 1 full time band director. They may have a interested elementary music teacher that helps out some, but other than that there are zero music educators in their entire school district. That one person is supposed to do the following themselves or find people within their district to: write drill choreograph and teach body choreograph and teach guard routines arrange music design props teach basics On top of: Teach band (and sometimes 2 sections of general music, a choir and carry 2 lunch duties) Run rehearsals Run sectionals Manage the budget Attend to all the other things teachers do (staff meetings, IEP meetings, meet with their principal about evaluations) Try to have some semblance of life outside band Maybe you get lucky and you are able to cobble together enough money from your boosters and your school district to hire a triple threat marching arts savant for $28k and no benefits that will handle a bunch of that, but maybe they will just crap out golden eggs too. I don't mean to be disrespectful, but plenty of Indiana Class D bands hire staffs. Forest Park, for example, lists seven people on their marching band staff, which doesn't include their design staff. Monrovia lists 8. Norwell has a large staff in Class C. Mater Dei even has three people. I am sure you will find some, but you aren't going to find many that ask the director to do all of the things you list. You're just not.
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Post by paddy on May 1, 2020 15:43:20 GMT -6
I have a hard time wrapping my head around the idea that using outside talent is bad and that bands should only use internal staff. How does that work for a Class D or C Indiana Band which is basically an BOA A Class Band? I understand that they are outside the norm for Texas where practically everyone is a AAA or AAAA, but it is reality here. A good Class D program likely has 1 full time band director. They may have a interested elementary music teacher that helps out some, but other than that there are zero music educators in their entire school district. That one person is supposed to do the following themselves or find people within their district to: write drill choreograph and teach body choreograph and teach guard routines arrange music design props teach basics On top of: Teach band (and sometimes 2 sections of general music, a choir and carry 2 lunch duties) Run rehearsals Run sectionals Manage the budget Attend to all the other things teachers do (staff meetings, IEP meetings, meet with their principal about evaluations) Try to have some semblance of life outside band Maybe you get lucky and you are able to cobble together enough money from your boosters and your school district to hire a triple threat marching arts savant for $28k and no benefits that will handle a bunch of that, but maybe they will just crap out golden eggs too. I don't mean to be disrespectful, but plenty of Indiana Class D bands hire staffs. Forest Park, for example, lists seven people on their marching band staff, which doesn't include their design staff. Monrovia lists 8. Norwell has a large staff in Class C. Mater Dei even has three people.Β I am sure you will find some, but you aren't going to find many that ask the director to do all of the things you list. You're just not. Yes, that was exactly my point. The whole βdo it only with your internal staffβ thing is ridiculous. Please try to keep up.
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Post by marimba11 on May 2, 2020 14:52:44 GMT -6
After reading all of this, the one thing I would wish to come out is that no matter the resources a program has (or doesnβt have) the most crucial is quality teaching. Nothing can suffice for this and strong leadership. Lots of programs make lots of different situations with regard to staffing work. But quality people is the most important no matter how many are involved.
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Post by Samuel Culper on May 2, 2020 15:07:20 GMT -6
After reading all of this, the one thing I would wish to come out is that no matter the resources a program has (or doesnβt have) the most crucial is quality teaching. Nothing can suffice for this and strong leadership. Lots of programs make lots of different situations with regard to staffing work. But quality people is the most important no matter how many are involved. This is absolutely true. And one of the dirty little facts of life is that success absolutely attracts and begets talent and more success. As much as some may want to write off the big budget BOA bands as all smoke and mirrors covering up a dearth of achievement, the truth is that many, if not most, of those bands have outstanding directors at their heart, world class educators. And their bands are truly talented. And they have success that makes other talented directors, techs and clinicians want to work with them. I will say it again, it is no accident that these bands also get so many invites to Midwest, PASIC, etc. And yes, no doubt, there are many directors out there working at bands outside of the BOA world who are insanely talented and doing outstanding things at their schools as well. There is no monopoly to be had anywhere.
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Post by bearscott85 on May 4, 2020 12:27:46 GMT -6
So how do you set up and go forward with BOA this fall and in the future, any ideas? At least until a vaccine is in place...which reality from various news sources, could take years...reality.
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Post by turfday on May 4, 2020 12:36:09 GMT -6
You say various news sources say it could take years but various news sources say they'll be one by January or even December
You're just cherry picking sources to create your pessimistic narrative we don't know what'll happen this is all speculation and unpredictable
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Post by pullinprops on May 4, 2020 12:46:44 GMT -6
Thinking of just the upcoming season, even if multiple bands successfully field a show, who are they going to play to?
State competitions, invitationals, and BOA events have the grandstands pretty packed. I donβt see that plausible with near term predictions.
Is it economically feasible without spectators?
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Post by marimba11 on May 4, 2020 15:27:12 GMT -6
Vaccines can only protect 25 -65% depending on the year. It really depends
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Post by Samuel Culper on May 4, 2020 15:40:45 GMT -6
Vaccines can only protect 25 -65% depending on the year. It really depends You are assuming the virus acts like influenza. We don't know that. Some vaccines against viruses are much more effective.
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Post by hewhowaits on May 5, 2020 5:50:53 GMT -6
Vaccines can only protect 25 -65% depending on the year. It really depends You are assuming the virus acts like influenza. We don't know that. Some vaccines against viruses are much more effective. Take, for example, measles and mumps. Those do not mutate and thus the vaccine is effective for a vast majority of those so vaccinated (>>99%).
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Post by dbalash on May 5, 2020 14:04:33 GMT -6
Northern Illinois is in for a long summer/fall under this plan. I haven't been to the office in two months. I can see being at home until August at least.
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Post by Allohak on May 5, 2020 14:29:26 GMT -6
Can we just take a second to appreciate Dan's incredible signature? It's...probably among the best signatures I've seen in my years of forums usage.
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Post by bearscott85 on May 8, 2020 8:52:55 GMT -6
Great plan for Illinois, probably utilize universally, however getting to Phase 5 will not happen until a vaccine, which will be years due to the 30+ strains and how this virus mutates....and because of all that we simply can not go back to normal.....
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Post by bearscott85 on May 12, 2020 18:39:04 GMT -6
I hope all is well with everyone...it's such a trying time and scary...So divided and sad...TO ALL OF YOU THAT STILL MARCH...I wish you most love and hope it all works out!!!!! I'm with you all and understand your frustration! May GOD BLESS !
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Post by bostonfan2004 on May 13, 2020 11:34:23 GMT -6
We are all in this together! We have been battered many times before, but we have gotten up from the beatings every time. In MA, NESBA is still planning to have a season. A couple weeks ago, my band director told us that NESBA has three plans in place for the upcoming season:
1. Have the season as normal 2. Push the season back 2 weeks(would put finals on November 15) 3. Double weekends
I want to have a junior year show. Our program next year is looking like it will be cool. I'm hoping that everything goes to plan.
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Post by dbalash on May 18, 2020 15:36:52 GMT -6
Scrolling through Illinois band websites, and it turns out some school districts have cancelled ALL activities through the summer, including football practices. IHSA has yet to decree if/when summer contact for sports can begin.
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Post by boahistorybuff on May 18, 2020 17:34:06 GMT -6
After such an amazing 2019 season (well actually an amazing decade), this is no doubt going to be a bump in the road. Just how big a bump is anyone's guess.
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Post by MadScientist on May 19, 2020 10:52:59 GMT -6
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Post by LeanderMomma on May 19, 2020 12:55:30 GMT -6
That's awesome! The Rouse directors went around to each Rouse band Senior yesterday to wish them well and bring them a gift. One of the gifts went to one of my former preschoolers, a Rouse drum major last season, and it included the coordinates of the band tower "so she will always have a little bit of βhomeβ with her and can always find her way back." I love how many feel good stories there are amongst all this messiness.
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Post by WoodlandsMom4ever on May 19, 2020 15:22:54 GMT -6
Very cool!
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Post by MarchingManiac on May 19, 2020 21:44:53 GMT -6
Talk of 10,000 people being vaccinated in two clinical trials by July makes me hopeful that we could see, although limited, somewhat of a marching season
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Post by Allohak on May 20, 2020 5:17:28 GMT -6
Talk of 10,000 people being vaccinated in two clinical trials by July makes me hopeful that we could see, although limited, somewhat of a marching season There's 350 million people in the US
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Post by paddy on May 20, 2020 7:47:34 GMT -6
Talk of 10,000 people being vaccinated in two clinical trials by July makes me hopeful that we could see, although limited, somewhat of a marching season There's 350 million people in the US I think it is more optimism that 8 months after the discovery of a new virus and 4 months after it really hit the US, we are already seeing large scale clinical trials. In April WHO/CDC/etc were taking about 12-18 months before a vaccine would be ready to test.
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Post by Allohak on May 20, 2020 7:55:03 GMT -6
There's 350 million people in the US I think it is more optimism that 8 months after the discovery of a new virus and 4 months after it really hit the US, we are already seeing large scale clinical trials. In April WHO/CDC/etc were taking about 12-18 months before a vaccine would be ready to test. Absolutely - still a lot of work to be done
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on May 20, 2020 8:32:44 GMT -6
There's 350 million people in the US I think it is more optimism that 8 months after the discovery of a new virus and 4 months after it really hit the US, we are already seeing large scale clinical trials. In April WHO/CDC/etc were taking about 12-18 months before a vaccine would be ready to test. Especially when you consider that the Ensemble Instrument Elimination game has been going on for three months with no resolution. And that started before anyone here was even remotely concerned about any COVID-19 virus. First things first.
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Post by LeanderMomma on May 20, 2020 11:27:07 GMT -6
I think it is more optimism that 8 months after the discovery of a new virus and 4 months after it really hit the US, we are already seeing large scale clinical trials. In April WHO/CDC/etc were taking about 12-18 months before a vaccine would be ready to test. Especially when you consider that the Ensemble Instrument Elimination game has been going on for three months with no resolution. And that started before anyone here was even remotely concerned about any COVID-19 virus. First things first.Β Always the Master of Levity. π€ͺ
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Post by Allohak on May 21, 2020 10:50:16 GMT -6
I think it is more optimism that 8 months after the discovery of a new virus and 4 months after it really hit the US, we are already seeing large scale clinical trials. In April WHO/CDC/etc were taking about 12-18 months before a vaccine would be ready to test. Especially when you consider that the Ensemble Instrument Elimination game has been going on for three months with no resolution. And that started before anyone here was even remotely concerned about any COVID-19 virus. First things first.Β There, it's over
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Post by LeanderMomma on May 24, 2020 19:44:05 GMT -6
Anyone else a little creeped out by the Covid19 public service message that keeps popping up here in the forum regarding domestic violence during quarantine? At the end of the short video clip of a despondent woman sitting on the stairs it says, You are not alone. And it shows what looks to be a shadow of a man standing there.
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