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Post by thewho on Oct 4, 2019 7:54:17 GMT -6
IU Marching 100 is the exhibition.
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Post by drummerboy on Oct 4, 2019 8:25:49 GMT -6
IU Marching 100 is the exhibition. YES!! Going to perform before prelim awards on Saturday afternoon I believe.
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Post by thewho on Oct 4, 2019 8:29:02 GMT -6
IU Marching 100 is the exhibition. YES!! Going to perform before prelim awards on Saturday afternoon I believe. You are correct.
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Post by coleeich on Oct 4, 2019 10:06:48 GMT -6
I think Mustang might do well at this contest. Their show is already super popular here in Oklahoma...you'll know why when you see it! They are also a lot cleaner already than they historically are at this point in the season. They should be able to sneak into finals.
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Post by dallasman on Oct 4, 2019 10:49:48 GMT -6
I mean we know why Mason had an “abnormal” drop in performance levels. For Marian I would say the slow decline has everything to do with groups just being better and Marian getting worse. Everyone thinks it’s Greg’s obscure shows that keep them in or out but I’d argue that they are probably getting weaker on a slow decline. I believe Marian Catholic high school has been having a steady drop in enrollment. Looks like their 9-12 grade enrollment has fallen just under 1000 this year. I also wonder what is going on in the music departments of the catholic elementary/middle schools that feed into Marian. If the talent pool is shrinking, I imagine it will become increasingly more difficult for them to remain a potential GN finalist, especially in the competitive environment of today. We have to remember that the competitive environment has NEVER been favorable to private school bands. That’s why almost none do well in the marching arena. Mostly large taxpayer-funded public schools have dominated the finalist fields They have the feeder programs (and the instrumentation structure to plan ahead), the ability to hire & retain massive staff and designers, and are largely not reliant on admissions standards or tuition fees to operate. Now, some have even combined schools and formed even larger district-wide bands. Marian clearly has none of that and never has. So obviously enrollment drops or socioeconomics in surrounding areas can impact — not band enrollment — but how musically proficient their freshmen are in day one. I have been critical of Marian, especially early season performances, but they very likely have to overcome many more disadvantages (relative to their repertoire & choice to compete at these events) than the vast majority of competing bands in the finals-level arena. It’s a steeper climb that is inherently more risky and is becoming increasingly dependent on their underclassmen to level up. They’re attempting a beast of a show this year. My best to them. If they can clean up what they have so far— it’ll be really good.
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Post by bandfaninfo1 on Oct 4, 2019 11:36:33 GMT -6
They will have to have an amazing Prelims run to make Finals. There are too many heavy hitter here. Avon Blue Springs Brownsburg Carmel Castle Center Grove Centerville Eden Prairie Fishers Homestead Lakota East Lawrence Township Lincoln-Way Marian Catholic O'Fallon Township Plainfield That is 16 right there not to mention other groups like Ben Davis, Blue Springs South, Concord, Goshen, Grain Valley, Lake Central, Lockport, Penn, and Mustang. Phew! Personally, I am looking forward to this weekend with so many groups coming in across all classes. I think Mustang might do well at this contest. Their show is already super popular here in Oklahoma...you'll know why when you see it! They are also a lot cleaner already than they historically are at this point in the season. They should be able to sneak into finals.
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Post by bandnerd2004 on Oct 7, 2019 6:53:56 GMT -6
Grove City isn't what they were before George Edge retired. Still a solid music program, one of the best concert programs in Ohio, but he was a top director and there's no replacing someone like him.
Marching groups who focus and design for OMEA are still in the early 1990s compared to the 2019 we get from BOA regulars. Doesn't mean they can't score well, but there is a big difference in style. Long time lurker and need to respond to this. Im a GC alumni, from a few years back and marched under both Edge and the new director and I can say from first hand experience you could not be more wrong. Mr Edge was an amazing director, but so is the current director. We lucked out when he got the job after Mr Edge retired. Both are amazingly talented and dedicated musicians who are passionate about the program at GC. As for GC going to Indy Super Regionals- Ive heard it stated by current members- they're just going for the experience and to have fun. Thats all, read nothing more in to their appearance. They also just finished their show this past weekend. What some here fail to take into account when comparing the BOA powerhouse to OMEA bands ( and other non BOA bands) is funding. Typically OMEA schools/bands simply dont have the budgets of the big BOA programs. Speaking only for GC and a few bands in central Ohio that Im familiar with ( day job) - marching band is an academic course in school, not extracurricular. So, they take more kids of various skill levels, and are limited by what they can charge for fees. They dont have $300K or more for the show. Typically this only covers band camps and misc expenses. they dont charge $1K or higher in fees, and have limitations about how many practices they can have per week. The programs are geared to education and giving all kids a chance to enjoy music. To be successful in BOA you need a huge budget and many schools simply cant afford that. Its a shame because I have a seen a LOT of really good marching bands in Ohio and Pennsylvania ( again- day job) that given the same resources could easily place in the top 10 at BOA. To be blunt tho, Im not sure Id want GC to go full "BOA" as I have yet to see a BOA show that captivates me. How many BOA shows have music you hum to yourself a year later?
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Post by paddy on Oct 7, 2019 7:28:00 GMT -6
They dont have $300K or more for the show.
I wonder how many bands actually spend that on the show. I’m sure it gets a little murky as you allocate expenses (how much of the staff cost is directly attributable to the show) but to spend $300k on a show is a big number.
I know the finances of a local, decently competitive AA band and they spend $250k for their entire school year which includes marching band, concert/jazz band competitions, winter groups (Winds/Guard/Percussion) and other sundry events. I’ve heard that Carmel and Avon have marching band fees near $1,000, but that covers lots of non-show expenses like transportation and logistics (Avon rolls in with 2 semis, 6 box trucks and 10-12 buses for a show).
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Post by LeanderMomma on Oct 7, 2019 8:44:38 GMT -6
Long time lurker and need to respond to this. Im a GC alumni, from a few years back and marched under both Edge and the new director and I can say from first hand experience you could not be more wrong. Mr Edge was an amazing director, but so is the current director. We lucked out when he got the job after Mr Edge retired. Both are amazingly talented and dedicated musicians who are passionate about the program at GC. As for GC going to Indy Super Regionals- Ive heard it stated by current members- they're just going for the experience and to have fun. Thats all, read nothing more in to their appearance. They also just finished their show this past weekend. What some here fail to take into account when comparing the BOA powerhouse to OMEA bands ( and other non BOA bands) is funding. Typically OMEA schools/bands simply dont have the budgets of the big BOA programs. Speaking only for GC and a few bands in central Ohio that Im familiar with ( day job) - marching band is an academic course in school, not extracurricular. So, they take more kids of various skill levels, and are limited by what they can charge for fees. They dont have $300K or more for the show. Typically this only covers band camps and misc expenses. they dont charge $1K or higher in fees, and have limitations about how many practices they can have per week. The programs are geared to education and giving all kids a chance to enjoy music. To be successful in BOA you need a huge budget and many schools simply cant afford that. Its a shame because I have a seen a LOT of really good marching bands in Ohio and Pennsylvania ( again- day job) that given the same resources could easily place in the top 10 at BOA. To be blunt tho, Im not sure Id want GC to go full "BOA" as I have yet to see a BOA show that captivates me. How many BOA shows have music you hum to yourself a year later? I appreciate your response but I can’t help but wonder how many BOA events you have attended if none have moved you just yet. Come to Grand Nats next month. You’ll be moved.
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Post by yayband914 on Oct 7, 2019 8:54:47 GMT -6
I have yet to see a BOA show that captivates me. How many BOA shows have music you hum to yourself a year later? That’s what mainstream radio is for, in my opinion.
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Post by paddy on Oct 7, 2019 8:55:12 GMT -6
I also want to address this: Speaking only for GC and a few bands in central Ohio that Im familiar with ( day job) - marching band is an academic course in school, not extracurricular. So, they take more kids of various skill levels, and are limited by what they can charge for fees. While a number of bands in BOA are extra-curricular activities, they also take everyone who wants to participate. There are always rumors about bands making cuts, but I don't have confirmation of any who do. I have some experience due to my day job as well (multi-decade school administrator) and I will flat out guarantee that even at the the really good BOA schools the programs are geared to education and giving all kids a chance to enjoy music.
So you know, your views aren't unique. I have worked with a number of band directors at less competitive schools that make it out to be an issue where they are more dedicated to education and music enjoyment...
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Post by TeamIndiana on Oct 7, 2019 9:08:17 GMT -6
Is it early for predictions? NEVER!!! Here is what I am thinking so far.
1. Carmel H.S., IN 2. Avon H.S., IN 3. Blue Springs H.S., MO 4. Homestead H.S., IN 5. Castle H.S., IN 6. O'Fallon Township H.S., IL 7. Fishers H.S., IN 8. Marian Catholic H.S., IL 9. Lincoln-Way Community H.S., IL 10. Center Grove H.S., IN 11. Centerville H.S., OH 12. Plainfield H.S., IN 13. Eden Prairie H.S., MN 14. Brownsburg H.S., IN
First Out: Lawrence Township
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Oct 7, 2019 9:16:33 GMT -6
Is it early for predictions? NEVER!!! Here is what I am thinking so far. 1. Carmel H.S., IN 2. Avon H.S., IN 3. Blue Springs H.S., MO 4. Homestead H.S., IN 5. Castle H.S., IN 6. O'Fallon Township H.S., IL 7. Fishers H.S., IN 8. Marian Catholic H.S., IL 9. Lincoln-Way Community H.S., IL 10. Center Grove H.S., IN 11. Centerville H.S., OH 12. Plainfield H.S., IN 13. Eden Prairie H.S., MN 14. Brownsburg H.S., IN First Out: Lawrence Township I'm going to go along with your top 4 as of today, but the other Indiana groups (Castle, Fishers, Center Grove, Brownsburg, Plainfield, Lawrence Twp) are just too unknown for me to make any kind of prediction. I'd even suggest Castle or Fishers could crack the top 4, but I won't actually predict it. ISSMA Regional scores (as stupid as they tend to be) should add some clarity. Hopefully we'll see those.
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Post by dbalash on Oct 7, 2019 9:48:41 GMT -6
How many BOA shows have music you hum to yourself a year later? I find myself humming music from shows from 20 years ago all the time. #nerd
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Oct 7, 2019 13:30:00 GMT -6
Long time lurker and need to respond to this. I'm a Grove City alumni, from a few years back and marched under both George Edge and the new director [Jason Graham] and I can say from first-hand experience, you could not be more wrong. Mr. Edge was an amazing director, but so is the current director. We lucked out when he got the job after Mr. Edge retired. Both are amazingly talented and dedicated musicians who are passionate about the program at GC. As for GC going to Indy Super Regionals -- I've heard it stated by current members -- they're just going for the experience and to have fun. That's all; read nothing more in to their appearance. They also just finished their show this past weekend. [...] It's a shame, because I have a seen a LOT of really good marching bands in Ohio and Pennsylvania (again--day job) that given the same resources, could easily place in the top 10 at BOA. To be blunt, though, I'm not sure I'd want GC to go full "BOA" as I have yet to see a BOA show that captivates me. How many BOA shows have music you hum to yourself a year later? I like Grove City a lot. Having seen them live this year at the Buckeye Invitational, and then having watched the stream of all but one of the bands at the Muncie BOA regional a week later, I think Grove City's musicality is a match for almost all of those groups. However, their visual style just doesn't appeal to people who like and judge BOA bands, and I anticipate their visual placement to be ten or more below their musical placement. And that's knowing they still had more to add to their show (at just eight-and-a-half minutes (not counting preshow), it seemed short for them, and then I heard a few days ago, as you confirm here, that there was more to come) and that the ending will probably include something meant to be visually dazzling, like the 4-to-8 scissor kick pass-through they often employ. It won't be enough, I think. But none of the bands they beat at OSU a week ago, including Miamisburg and Kettering Fairmont, would be likely to make Indy semifinals either.
All that said, I'm glad they're approaching this opportunity with the attitude you describe. I like how they even put out a little video (which now I can't find) that said: "What does it mean to be a BOA band? Absolutely nothing!" and insisted that they were going to be the same hard-working band with "hustle" they always have been. (For those outside Ohio, a well-known example: when Grove City's school levy failed in 2009, which meant that the band couldn't compete that year, the students tried to rehearse on their own and had to be stopped. That's how dedicated they are.) That's the right approach. And good on them for taking on a big challenge like a Super Regional. They'd absolutely make finals at most regular regionals (as Beavercreek did last year and Fairfield did last year and this year -- and Grove City is better than either of those bands), but why limit yourself to what you know you can do? A band's reach is meant to exceed its grasp.
And yet their show this year is rather unlike their shows of the past five seasons. A little more body movement. Rather less marching. A fairly large prop. An actual piano. A lengthy unconducted cadenza by one the soprano sax soloist. Some of these elements have turned up in some of their past shows under George Edge (e.g., the trumpet soloist in "Carnival of Venice" some years ago, although the soloist when Newton did the same number under Edge's direction in 1986 was even stronger), but Jason Graham seemed to be devoting the past five years mainly to locking down and heightening their core identity. The 4-to-8 kept getting faster and better integrated, for instance. But thus far, their 2019 show seems to me like something of an uneasy hybrid between their regular style and what they think BOA wants. At this point, I'm inclined to say their 2017 show might have served them better. I saw that one and Lakota East's production in the space of a couple hours at OMEA finals, and that was the first year L. East had made Indy semifinals, and I thought Grove City was better. Their opener was the same piece that Broken Arrow opened with in 2018, and musically, they weren't far back of that fourth-place band on that song (Grove City was even crisper and more impressive at a few points, as when twenty Grove City flute players on the move on the field came through as cleanly as five flutes standing on the sideline)--although visually there was just no comparison (and note how Broken Arrow didn't have any big props, relying almost entirely on drill for visual effect). And even visually in 2017, Grove City made very successful use of one element likelier to be seen in BOA than OMEA: a flying tarp, under which they executed a very nice position shift.
Now as to hummable tunes. I hear them regularly in BOA, but it is true that in the chase for points based on technical proficiency and variety, *some* bands sacrifice musical engagement. That's not true only in BOA, though. It happens with marching bands in every circuit and with drum corps as well. In response, DCI went out of its way to emphasize "engagement" when revamping its sheets a few years ago. DCA includes an extra caption for "communication" (but nobody quite knows what to do with it). There's a fair amount of overlap between the judges in these closely related activities. But, I think due to the sheer number of participants, you see more variety and thus at times more esoteric material in BOA. And when such material is not played expertly, it can be a slog for listeners, so that especially early in the season, as I look around the crowd, I see more than a few bleary-eyed audience members. That said, the single most obscure piece of music I've seen performed in the marching arts was a John Cage spoken word and percussion work by a tiny OMEA band.
And there's plenty to be captivated by in BOA! I think pretty much everyone at the Buckeye Invitational last week would have been blown away that 2018 Broken Arrow show, for instance. And even the much less accessible show that Mason presented this year, which beat Grove City (handily, I'd say), clearly impressed the audience, who were ooh-ing and ah-ing plenty.
[Edit: the quoted remarks above to which I respond are by bandnerd2004 not marimba11.]
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Oct 7, 2019 13:31:02 GMT -6
That’s what mainstream radio is for, in my opinion. I hum along to plenty of classical music. Does that mean the stations that play that music are mainstream?
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Post by yayband914 on Oct 7, 2019 16:11:09 GMT -6
Friday Prelims Schedule as of 09/26/2019
(Panel 1)
8:00 Franklin Central H.S., IN 8:15 Franklin Community H.S., IN 8:30 Springs Valley Jr./Sr. H.S., IN 8:45 Norwell H.S., IN 9:00 Todd County Central H.S., KY 9:15 Jeffersonville H.S., IN 9:30 Lafayette Jefferson H.S., IN 9:45 Madison H.S., OH 10:00 Grayson County H.S., KY 10:15 Hamilton Southeastern H.S., IN
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10:45 Wheaton North H.S., IL 11:00 Central Hardin H.S., KY 11:15 Henry Clay H.S., KY 11:30 Western H.S., IN 11:45 Concord Community H.S., IN 12:00 Noblesville H.S., IN 12:15 Ben Davis H.S., IN 12:30 Dublin Coffman H.S., OH 12:45 Terre Haute North Vigo H.S., IN 1:00 Greenwood Community H.S., IN 1:15 Water E. Stebbins H.S., OH
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1:45 Walnut Hills H.S., OH 2:00 Concordia Lutheran H.S., IN 2:15 Homestead H.S., IN 2:30 Northmont H.S., OH 2:45 Greenfield Central H.S., IN 3:00 Kettering Fairmont H.S., OH 3:15 Beech Grove H.S., IN 3:30 Lakota East H.S., OH 3:45 Pendleton Heights H.S., IN
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(Panel 2)
4:30 Northwestern H.S., IN 4:45 Lake Central H.S., IN 5:00 Terre Haute South Vigo H.S., IN 5:15 Forest Park Jr./Sr. H.S., IN 5:30 William Henry Harrison H.S., IN 5:45 Limestone Community H.S., IL 6:00 Herscher H.S., IL 6:15 Fishers H.S., IN 6:30 Castle H.S., IN 6:45 Brownsburg H.S., IN
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7:15 Grove City H.S., OH 7:30 Lawrence Township H.S., IN 7:45 Avon H.S., IN 8:00 Center Grove H.S., IN 8:15 Edgewood H.S., IN 8:30 Centerville H.S., OH 8:45 Orleans Jr./Sr. H.S., IN 9:00 Carmel H.S., IN 9:15 Owen Valley H.S., IN 9:30 Plainfield H.S., IN 9:45 Northrop H.S., IN 10:00 Lewis Cass H.S., IN
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Post by yayband914 on Oct 7, 2019 16:11:28 GMT -6
Saturday Prelims Schedule as of 09/26/2019
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7:00 Zionsville Community H.S., IN 7:15 Lake Park H.S., IL 7:30 Goshen H.S., IN 7:45 Eden Prairie H.S., MN 8:00 Lockport Township H.S., IL 8:15 Bryant H.S., AR 8:30 Summit H.S., TN 8:45 Huntley H.S., IL 9:00 Blue Springs South H.S., MO 9:15 Lincoln-Way Community H.S., IL
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9:45 Evansville Central H.S., IN 10:00 Fort Zumwalt North H.S., MO 10:15 East River H.S., FL 10:30 Penn H.S., IN 10:45 Portage H.S., IN 11:00 Collierville H.S., TN 11:15 Grain Valley H.S., MO 11:30 North Hardin H.S., KY 11:45 Victor J. Andrew H.S., IL 12:00 Rock Island H.S., IL 12:15 Mustang H.S., OK
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12:45 F.J. Reitz H.S., IN 1:00 Marian Catholic H.S., IL 1:15 Blue Springs H.S., MO 1:30 Morton H.S., IL 1:45 Worthington Kilbourne H.S., OH 2:00 O'Fallon Township H.S., IL 2:15 NorthWood H.S., IN 2:30 Pickerington North H.S., OH 2:45 Fairfield Jr./Sr. H.S., IN 3:00 Prospect H.S., IL 3:15 Naperville Central H.S., IL
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Oct 7, 2019 16:30:16 GMT -6
Noblesville H.S. is in Indiana not Ohio.
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Post by yayband914 on Oct 7, 2019 16:46:24 GMT -6
Noblesville H.S. is in Indiana not Ohio. Whoops... can be easy to flub a couple of those when there's so dang many!
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Post by bigtrombone on Oct 7, 2019 22:31:49 GMT -6
My shot at Predictions
Panel 1 Top 5 (In Alphabetical Order):
Avon H.S., IN Carmel H.S., IN Centerville H.S., OH Center Grove H.S., IN Homestead H.S., IN
Panel 2 Top 5 (In Alphabetical Order):
Blue Springs H.S., MO Castle H.S., IN Fishers H.S., IN Marian Catholic H.S., IL O'Fallon Township H.S., IL
Next 4 Highest Scoring (Alphabetical Order):
Brownsburg H.S., IN (Panel 2) Lawrence Township H.S., IN (Panel 1) Lincoln-Way Community H.S., IL (Panel 2) North Hardin H.S., KY (Panel 1)
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Post by hewhowaits on Oct 8, 2019 6:01:24 GMT -6
Friday Prelims Schedule as of 09/26/2019 12:45 Terre Haute South Vigo H.S., IN 5:00 Terre Haute South Vigo H.S., IN One of these has to be TH North
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Post by thewho on Oct 8, 2019 7:33:48 GMT -6
While I appreciate the predictions for Laerence Township, I don't think they'll even sniff finals this year. There are a lot of really good bands in front of them at the moment.
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Post by yayband914 on Oct 8, 2019 9:35:52 GMT -6
Friday Prelims Schedule as of 09/26/2019 12:45 Terre Haute South Vigo H.S., IN 5:00 Terre Haute South Vigo H.S., IN One of these has to be TH North Fixed. North is on at 12:45.
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Post by TeamIndiana on Oct 8, 2019 9:37:56 GMT -6
While I appreciate the predictions for Laerence Township, I don't think they'll even sniff finals this year. There are a lot of really good bands in front of them at the moment. Agreed. I would be more surprised if they made finals than I would be if they missed it.
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Oct 16, 2019 11:18:10 GMT -6
I like Grove City a lot. [...] I think Grove City's musicality is a match for almost all of those groups. However, their visual style just doesn't appeal to people who like and judge BOA bands, and I anticipate their visual placement to be ten or more below their musical placement. And that's knowing they still had more to add to their show (at just eight-and-a-half minutes (not counting preshow), it seemed short for them, and then I heard a few days ago, as you confirm here, that there was more to come) [...] It won't be enough, I think. [...] All that said, I'm glad they're approaching this opportunity with the attitude you describe. [...] A band's reach is meant to exceed its grasp. Just wanted to note that it's typical for bands in BOA not to have finished shows in early October (or even later), so you can't read much into Grove City having presented an incomplete show on Sep. 28 when trying to gauge their quality vs. other bands. Most of the other top groups at that event also had unfinished shows.
Also I've gone from wondering if Grove City's show is too short to wondering if it's too long. I clock it now at 10 min. 55 sec., with very little that could be trimmed or tightened. That follows 1 min. for warmup, 30 sec. for getting on the field, and 35 sec. of preshow. Which adds up to 13 minutes. That leaves 2 min. to set up the pit and the stage. (And what about after? BOA rules say bands have 2 min. to get everything off the field following their performance, but I don't know whether that has to fit within the 15-min. block or not.) Not much margin for error there! Unless... is the low brass feature actually part of the preshow? In which case, the show is "only" 10 min. 30 sec. with 1 min. of preshow. Although that means the announcer will be talking over the Liszt.
Anyway, lots to clean in ten days. All that double-tongueing!
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Post by paddy on Oct 16, 2019 12:03:22 GMT -6
I like Grove City a lot. [...] I think Grove City's musicality is a match for almost all of those groups. However, their visual style just doesn't appeal to people who like and judge BOA bands, and I anticipate their visual placement to be ten or more below their musical placement. And that's knowing they still had more to add to their show (at just eight-and-a-half minutes (not counting preshow), it seemed short for them, and then I heard a few days ago, as you confirm here, that there was more to come) [...] It won't be enough, I think. [...] All that said, I'm glad they're approaching this opportunity with the attitude you describe. [...] A band's reach is meant to exceed its grasp. Just wanted to note that it's typical for bands in BOA not to have finished shows in early October (or even later), so you can't read much into Grove City having presented an incomplete show on Sep. 28 when trying to gauge their quality vs. other bands. Most of the other top groups at that event also had unfinished shows.
Also I've gone from wondering if Grove City's show is too short to wondering if it's too long. I clock it now at 10 min. 55 sec., with very little that could be trimmed or tightened. That follows 1 min. for warmup, 30 sec. for getting on the field, and 35 sec. of preshow. Which adds up to 13 minutes. That leaves 2 min. to set up the pit and the stage. (And what about after? BOA rules say bands have 2 min. to get everything off the field following their performance, but I don't know whether that has to fit within the 15-min. block or not.) Not much margin for error there! Unless... is the low brass feature actually part of the preshow? In which case, the show is "only" 10 min. 30 sec. with 1 min. of preshow. Although that means the announcer will be talking over the Liszt.
Anyway, lots to clean in ten days. All that double-tongueing!
My understanding of BOA rules is the total time allotted is 15 minutes. It breaks down this way: 4 minutes to enter the field - this can include set-up, warm-up, pre-show recorded music. The band announcement happens at 3 minute 15 seconds. It takes about 15 seconds and then the performance can start any time, but the timing of the performance will start no later than the 30 seconds after the announcement is done. Live performance can last between 6 and 11 minutes Once the live performance ends you have 2 minutes to vacate the field. So if their show is 10 minutes and 55 seconds, they have 3 minutes and 5 seconds to enter the field and exit the field and stay within their 15 minutes. Most bands I have been around use time this way: No more than 4 minutes to enter and set-up Plan on a 2 minute exit Keep their show under 9 minutes.
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Post by wildcat77 on Oct 16, 2019 12:20:23 GMT -6
Just wanted to note that it's typical for bands in BOA not to have finished shows in early October (or even later), so you can't read much into Grove City having presented an incomplete show on Sep. 28 when trying to gauge their quality vs. other bands. Most of the other top groups at that event also had unfinished shows.
Also I've gone from wondering if Grove City's show is too short to wondering if it's too long. I clock it now at 10 min. 55 sec., with very little that could be trimmed or tightened. That follows 1 min. for warmup, 30 sec. for getting on the field, and 35 sec. of preshow. Which adds up to 13 minutes. That leaves 2 min. to set up the pit and the stage. (And what about after? BOA rules say bands have 2 min. to get everything off the field following their performance, but I don't know whether that has to fit within the 15-min. block or not.) Not much margin for error there! Unless... is the low brass feature actually part of the preshow? In which case, the show is "only" 10 min. 30 sec. with 1 min. of preshow. Although that means the announcer will be talking over the Liszt.
Anyway, lots to clean in ten days. All that double-tongueing!
My understanding of BOA rules is the total time allotted is 15 minutes. It breaks down this way: 4 minutes to enter the field - this can include set-up, warm-up, pre-show recorded music. The band announcement happens at 3 minute 15 seconds. It takes about 15 seconds and then the performance can start any time, but the timing of the performance will start no later than the 30 seconds after the announcement is done. Live performance can last between 6 and 11 minutes Once the live performance ends you have 2 minutes to vacate the field. So if their show is 10 minutes and 55 seconds, they have 3 minutes and 5 seconds to enter the field and exit the field and stay within their 15 minutes. Most bands I have been around use time this way: No more than 4 minutes to enter and set-up Plan on a 2 minute exit Keep their show under 9 minutes. Dobyns-Bennett plays for 9 minutes and 50 seconds this year, but they have no props to bring on or off the field. It felt like the longest show at Johnson City by far. Having a show with 10 minutes and 55 seconds of playing time doesn't seem wise.
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Oct 16, 2019 12:34:44 GMT -6
My understanding of BOA rules is the total time allotted is 15 minutes. It breaks down this way: 4 minutes to enter the field - this can include set-up, warm-up, pre-show recorded music. The band announcement happens at 3 minute 15 seconds. It takes about 15 seconds and then the performance can start any time, but the timing of the performance will start no later than the 30 seconds after the announcement is done. Live performance can last between 6 and 11 minutes Once the live performance ends you have 2 minutes to vacate the field. So if their show is 10 minutes and 55 seconds, they have 3 minutes and 5 seconds to enter the field and exit the field and stay within their 15 minutes. Most bands I have been around use time this way: No more than 4 minutes to enter and set-up Plan on a 2 minute exit Keep their show under 9 minutes. Dobyns-Bennett plays for 9 minutes and 50 seconds this year, but they have no props to bring on or off the field. It felt like the longest show at Johnson City by far. Having a show with 10 minutes and 55 seconds of playing time doesn't seem wise. Interesting. I agree that you'd expect the 15-minute blocks to be a hard limit. And yet...
Tarpon Spring's 2014 (championship-winning) show was 10 min. 57 sec. long, as I time it.
(As I recall, on the band's Twitter feed right after the performance, they showed a picture of a stopwatch that actually said 10 min. 59 sec.)
A 14 min. 43 sec. video of that performance starts with their tarps and most of their props already in place, and ends with them still pushing equipment off the field. There's no way the rest of their entry and exit fit into the remaining 17 seconds. (In fact, their performance, i.e., the end of BOA's announcement, starts at the 2 min. 40 sec. mark on the video, which means they were on the field for another 1 min. 20 sec. prior to that.) And they weren't penalized.
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Post by thewho on Oct 16, 2019 12:58:32 GMT -6
Don't remember the show down to the specific detail too well, but still pushing equipment off the field is ok as long as it is not on the football field. The props can still be pushed along the sidelines towards the exit without any penalty to band. The way the band flow works at BOA events allows enough time for the leaving band to not interfere with the next performing band too much. Of course, any unnecessary loitering (that does not mean waiting to exit) will be penalized by BOA.
If Tarpon Springs was pushing their props along the sides of the field, it doesn't count against them.
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