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Post by Allohak on May 1, 2020 11:17:52 GMT -6
My son attends IU and I agree that it will NOT be a normal Fall campus experience but the letter also said they were not going to sugar coat it so to speak and they are trying to be realistic. I expect that students will return in person (mostly, maybe not foreign students if some travel restrictions persist) but large classes may be converted to online or hybrid. As many have posted multiple times, we just need to get thru another month or more and let this play out. We will likely have much more information in another month and be in a better situation to assess ongoing plans. We are much better off to stay positive and look for opportunities to stretch our perception of "normal". Be Safe! My daughter has an apartment for next year, so she'll be down there no matter what. She had an internship lined up for the summer with a firm in Boston, and two hours after getting the email from IU she got an email from the Boston firm that her internship was cancelled. That was obviously disappointing (though at this point not unexpected) but one paragraph later the firm offered her a full time position post graduation in 2021! Wow. Talk about taking the pressure off. That was a rollercoaster that ended on top of a hill. Congrats
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Post by secret on May 1, 2020 11:34:09 GMT -6
My son attends IU and I agree that it will NOT be a normal Fall campus experience but the letter also said they were not going to sugar coat it so to speak and they are trying to be realistic. I expect that students will return in person (mostly, maybe not foreign students if some travel restrictions persist) but large classes may be converted to online or hybrid. As many have posted multiple times, we just need to get thru another month or more and let this play out. We will likely have much more information in another month and be in a better situation to assess ongoing plans. We are much better off to stay positive and look for opportunities to stretch our perception of "normal". Be Safe! My daughter has an apartment for next year, so she'll be down there no matter what. She had an internship lined up for the summer with a firm in Boston, and two hours after getting the email from IU she got an email from the Boston firm that her internship was cancelled. That was obviously disappointing (though at this point not unexpected) but one paragraph later the firm offered her a full time position post graduation in 2021! Wow. Talk about taking the pressure off. That's fantastic!!! But yeah, this coronavirus has been very tough for all of us I think. It's good that there's some good news still.
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Post by Allohak on May 1, 2020 12:46:16 GMT -6
It is worth noting that MFA/BOA sent out a survey to registered directors this week. Among relevant information was a note about extending the deadline to drop from an event and potential shortening of minimum performance times.
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Post by ilikeguard on May 1, 2020 14:11:25 GMT -6
What large colleges are announcing opening in the fall without issues? Most of them afaik are saying that they aren't sure yet. I know mine is currently considering pushing back the start date of the academic year. I saw that most of the SEC schools have announced that they plan to come back without issues. Texas A&M, South Carolina, Alabama are some of the ones I’ve seen. But I’ve also seen the opposite from some schools like IU. You can count Mizzou in there as well
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Post by kvbrass on May 1, 2020 21:08:30 GMT -6
It is worth noting that MFA/BOA sent out a survey to registered directors this week. Among relevant information was a note about extending the deadline to drop from an event and potential shortening of minimum performance times. I think the bands that travel overnight to BOA events will have a much tougher time justifying the trip. Parents are going to be in panic mode.
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Post by atxbandnerd on May 2, 2020 7:38:44 GMT -6
You need to read the fine print. A&M said they are gonna “try” to open in the fall. Most folks at A&M were pissed that the media ran with the story because Sharp literally said he was gonna try to open the campuses. Even if colleges open, it doesn’t mean sports will happen on time. They are literally planning all of this out now.
I sincerely hope, for my kid and her band friends sake, that we have a normal season.
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Post by paddy on May 2, 2020 7:57:44 GMT -6
The Governor of Indiana just announced a 5 Phase Plan to open things back up in Indiana. He is targeting July 4th as the time when the state could reach some semblance of normal. There will still be recommendations/guidelines about social distancing, large group gatherings, face coverings, and at-risk populations in effect for Phase 5. He is keeping K-12 schools closed through June 30 so it is a bit murky yet. Phase 5 still lists K-12 activities as a TBD.
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Post by bandaid on May 3, 2020 3:00:10 GMT -6
I just went on ISSMA's website and they have a new "Covid-19 Emergency Measures" update. It's for Directors only so I cannot access it. Hopefully someone will be able to fill us in! The Governor of Indiana just announced a 5 Phase Plan to open things back up in Indiana. He is targeting July 4th as the time when the state could reach some semblance of normal. There will still be recommendations/guidelines about social distancing, large group gatherings, face coverings, and at-risk populations in effect for Phase 5. He is keeping K-12 schools closed through June 30 so it is a bit murky yet. Phase 5 still lists K-12 activities as a TBD.
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Post by hewhowaits on May 6, 2020 6:01:40 GMT -6
The school districts are going to follow what the NCAA does when it comes to athletics. If the NCAA moves fall sports to start later in the year, then you can expect the ISD's to do the same. The Ohio High School Athletic Association announced yesterday that the only consideration for modifying fall sports that is "off the table" is playing football in the spring. There may be some delay in starting the season, or a shorter season, or a cancellation. There will NOT be a different season for football.
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Post by drumcorpsgeek on May 6, 2020 6:43:19 GMT -6
The school districts are going to follow what the NCAA does when it comes to athletics. If the NCAA moves fall sports to start later in the year, then you can expect the ISD's to do the same. The Ohio High School Athletic Association announced yesterday that the only consideration for modifying fall sports that is "off the table" is playing football in the spring. There may be some delay in starting the season, or a shorter season, or a cancellation. There will NOT be a different season for football. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but this source just says they have no plans to do so, not that it’s off the table. www.google.com/amp/s/myfox28columbus.com/amp/sports/high-school-football/ohsaa-boss-denies-high-school-football-might-be-moved-to-spring
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Post by Allohak on May 6, 2020 6:46:36 GMT -6
The school districts are going to follow what the NCAA does when it comes to athletics. If the NCAA moves fall sports to start later in the year, then you can expect the ISD's to do the same. The Ohio High School Athletic Association announced yesterday that the only consideration for modifying fall sports that is "off the table" is playing football in the spring. There may be some delay in starting the season, or a shorter season, or a cancellation. There will NOT be a different season for football. Not sure if they matter in this case, but two things to consider... 1. There a A LOT of very small high schools (and districts) in Ohio whose kids end up stretched thin to cover what extracurriculars the school is able to provide. Many play reduced-squad sports like 7-a-side football. 2. Even at larger schools, it is not at all uncommon for kids to play multiple sports (football in the fall, basketball in the winter, and baseball in the spring, for example). Moving football would/could mean sacrificing other sports, and saying that football will be canceled before it gets moved reads a lot like "football isn't more important than other sports/activities", and rightly so.
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Post by Subito Fortissimo on May 6, 2020 19:59:39 GMT -6
I was told today by someone in the know that in North Carolina there is a plan being considered to move the football season to the Spring and shift some non-contact Spring sports to the Fall (golf, track and field etc.) That could also mean the cancellation of some sports but football will always take precedence as I would imagine that it is the biggest moneymaking sport for nearly every school. FWIW, a couple weeks ago the same person told me the state athletic association was looking at the possibility of a November start for football.
Regardless, its all speculation right now and it will be awhile before we know what is going to happen.
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Post by hewhowaits on May 7, 2020 5:20:33 GMT -6
I was told today by someone in the know that in North Carolina there is a plan being considered to move the football season to the Spring and shift some non-contact Spring sports to the Fall (golf, track and field etc.) That could also mean the cancellation of some sports but football will always take precedence as I would imagine that it is the biggest moneymaking sport for nearly every school. FWIW, a couple weeks ago the same person told me the state athletic association was looking at the possibility of a November start for football. Regardless, its all speculation right now and it will be awhile before we know what is going to happen. Track and Field to the Fall would require also moving Cross Country to the Spring. T&F is much better if the season starts in the cooler season and ends when it's warm (Spring). CC on the other hand is much better starting in warm weather and ending when the weather turns to cr@p (Fall). This from both a former participant and a longtime fan.
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Post by Subito Fortissimo on May 7, 2020 19:57:57 GMT -6
I was told today by someone in the know that in North Carolina there is a plan being considered to move the football season to the Spring and shift some non-contact Spring sports to the Fall (golf, track and field etc.) That could also mean the cancellation of some sports but football will always take precedence as I would imagine that it is the biggest moneymaking sport for nearly every school. FWIW, a couple weeks ago the same person told me the state athletic association was looking at the possibility of a November start for football. Regardless, its all speculation right now and it will be awhile before we know what is going to happen. Track and Field to the Fall would require also moving Cross Country to the Spring. T&F is much better if the season starts in the cooler season and ends when it's warm (Spring). CC on the other hand is much better starting in warm weather and ending when the weather turns to cr@p (Fall). This from both a former participant and a longtime fan. True, though I'm sure its preferable to all that they have their season in less ideal weather than to not have it at all. And there are also likely many schools with football players who participate in track, while almost no football players run CC. Both because of the concurrent seasons and because football players who run tend to be sprinters and not distance.
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Post by atxbandnerd on May 11, 2020 11:36:12 GMT -6
Has anyone seen the proposed plan for re-opening schools in Texas next year that TEA put out? I don't see how you do that with a normal band schedule.
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Post by drumcorpsgeek on May 11, 2020 12:22:44 GMT -6
Has anyone seen the proposed plan for re-opening schools in Texas next year that TEA put out? I don't see how you do that with a normal band schedule. Could you post a link? I can’t seem to find it anywhere.
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Post by atxbandnerd on May 11, 2020 12:31:52 GMT -6
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Post by hewhowaits on May 11, 2020 12:44:48 GMT -6
The current plan in North Carolina is for schools to open earlier than the standard schedule. There is no consensus among the states.
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Post by LeanderMomma on May 11, 2020 16:08:52 GMT -6
Oh my goodness, that’s quite complicated! And no mention of fall sports. This is nuts. 😞
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Post by LeanderMomma on May 11, 2020 16:14:53 GMT -6
Bizarre timing. As I was commenting on this subject, my daughter just texted me that Texas State has canceled her August commencement ceremony. My first kiddo to reach Magna cum laude status and we don’t even get to celebrate it.
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Post by paddy on May 11, 2020 16:21:34 GMT -6
There are lots of schools in Indiana that follow a calendar very similar to the Sample Intersessional calendar other than 2 weeks at Thanksgiving. Start early August, 2 week break at October, 3-5 days at Thanksgiving, 2-3 weeks at Christmas and 2 weeks in March end last week of May/June. Adding a week at Thanksgiving and in March isn't a huge change.
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on May 11, 2020 17:02:34 GMT -6
I think the real question here is, would a school system or State considering these sorts of alterations to a normal school year for the sake of health and safety actually consider the idea of sending hundreds of students on multi-day out of State trips in the Fall? That doesn't seem very likely, does it?
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Post by Subito Fortissimo on May 11, 2020 19:30:01 GMT -6
The current plan in North Carolina is for schools to open earlier than the standard schedule. There is no consensus among the states. Maybe this will convince the state legislature to dump that stupid law. My county school system got a waiver starting with the 19/20 school year to start school earlier and for band it was massively beneficial. Competitions started at the same time but we had an extra two weeks of practice at the beginning and it really paid off in how well we were prepared to compete.
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Post by marimba11 on May 11, 2020 20:52:25 GMT -6
I saw the Texas pdf. Adding 30 days throughout the year would allow for some leeway with the erratic way our government is reacting to this. I know you all think the second wave will be worse and we’ll be shut down again but I don’t buy it. I think this is a one and done with the shutdowns. As for the virus itself, I have no idea.
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Post by Allohak on May 11, 2020 21:26:44 GMT -6
I did a quick Google search with keywords "reopening schools". I found a few docs of reccomendations, etc. But not one mention of the words extracurricular, sports, band, music, etc. Only mention I've seen is Missouri saying "band classes are cancelled or reimagined". Literally the second biggest thing to education, and first in us students minds, is extracurriculars and sports. And no mention of them? I find it very weird that there's no mention, unless they're inferring that they are just cancelled. But still, put it in print. One last thing to point out and I know we've had conversations here before about it. We might be seeing a fall where let's say TX, AL, GA, IN, etc. are having seasons, but Northeast states, CA, etc. are not. I personally believe we will see football seasons no matter what in many states, even if it's in the spring. But the thing to think about is do organizations such as UIL/ISSMA just forget about marching season if say football is moved later or to the spring? We'll have to wait and see I guess. We all have activites we love, and students certainly look forward to their extracurriculars, but in the grand scheme of things, they are just that: extra. The focus for schools reopening is, rightly, getting students the best, safest education possible under the circumstances. If that means students in classrooms but limiting contact time/potential by saying sports/activities don't happen, so be it. Unfortunate as it is, that would probably be the safest course of action.
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Post by Samuel Culper on May 11, 2020 21:39:43 GMT -6
I did a quick Google search with keywords "reopening schools". I found a few docs of reccomendations, etc. But not one mention of the words extracurricular, sports, band, music, etc. Only mention I've seen is Missouri saying "band classes are cancelled or reimagined". Literally the second biggest thing to education, and first in us students minds, is extracurriculars and sports. And no mention of them? I find it very weird that there's no mention, unless they're inferring that they are just cancelled. But still, put it in print. One last thing to point out and I know we've had conversations here before about it. We might be seeing a fall where let's say TX, AL, GA, IN, etc. are having seasons, but Northeast states, CA, etc. are not. I personally believe we will see football seasons no matter what in many states, even if it's in the spring. But the thing to think about is do organizations such as UIL/ISSMA just forget about marching season if say football is moved later or to the spring? We'll have to wait and see I guess. We all have activites we love, and students certainly look forward to their extracurriculars, but in the grand scheme of things, they are just that: extra. The focus for schools reopening is, rightly, getting students the best, safest education possible under the circumstances. If that means students in classrooms but limiting contact time/potential by saying sports/activities don't happen, so be it. Unfortunate as it is, that would probably be the safest course of action. My daughter will be a senior in the fall. I am imagining a senior year with zero extracurricular activities and, let's be completely honest, a sub-standard education experience. This is not what anybody's school experience should be, let alone a senior year. It may be worth considering to hold her out of school for '20-'21 and hope that the world looks more normal the next school year.
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Post by thefourth on May 11, 2020 23:42:15 GMT -6
I know of a school that has scheduled an in-person graduation for the 21 of May. With a student population of 3000, it goes to show atleast this school district seems prepared to go back to some form of normal.
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Post by paddy on May 12, 2020 5:21:11 GMT -6
I did a quick Google search with keywords "reopening schools". I found a few docs of reccomendations, etc. But not one mention of the words extracurricular, sports, band, music, etc. Only mention I've seen is Missouri saying "band classes are cancelled or reimagined". Literally the second biggest thing to education, and first in us students minds, is extracurriculars and sports. And no mention of them? I find it very weird that there's no mention, unless they're inferring that they are just cancelled. But still, put it in print. One last thing to point out and I know we've had conversations here before about it. We might be seeing a fall where let's say TX, AL, GA, IN, etc. are having seasons, but Northeast states, CA, etc. are not. I personally believe we will see football seasons no matter what in many states, even if it's in the spring. But the thing to think about is do organizations such as UIL/ISSMA just forget about marching season if say football is moved later or to the spring? We'll have to wait and see I guess. We all have activites we love, and students certainly look forward to their extracurriculars, but in the grand scheme of things, they are just that: extra. The focus for schools reopening is, rightly, getting students the best, safest education possible under the circumstances. If that means students in classrooms but limiting contact time/potential by saying sports/activities don't happen, so be it. Unfortunate as it is, that would probably be the safest course of action. If you have kids fully in the classroom there is little reason to limit extra-curricular activities outside of contact sports. School buildings are not setup to social distance at all. If you imagine a 6’ radius circle you can basically put 6-8 kids in a standard classroom. The hallways are too tight, most schools exceed the “no groups over 250” at lunch time, buses can’t run at 1/3 capacity. The logistics of back to school simply don’t make sense in the framework currently laid out as safe.
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on May 12, 2020 5:26:40 GMT -6
Considering that we've seen many groups revealing their 2020 productions, there certainly seems to be a business as usual tone to everything. Perhaps these bands know things that we do not. One would assume so. Still, it does seem rather out of place with many of the the other messages that we're receiving from the States.
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Post by Allohak on May 12, 2020 5:36:20 GMT -6
Considering that we've seen many groups revealing their 2020 productions, there certainly seems to be a business as usual tone to everything. Perhaps these bands know things that we do not. One would assume so. Still, it does seem rather out of place with many of the the other messages that we're receiving from the States. In the words of a director who has had a show reveal: "I'm giving the kids something to look forward to even though we all know it's unlikely to happen this fall"
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