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Post by salvation on Nov 3, 2021 8:15:41 GMT -6
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Post by BlueStarsDad on Nov 3, 2021 8:38:30 GMT -6
Based on the current rankings, here are the top 20 at Grand Nats:
1 Broken Arrow, OK
2 Carmel, IN
3 Flower Mound, TX
4 Avon, IN
5 Ronald Reagan, TX
6 The Woodlands, TX
7 Claudia Taylor Johns
8 Vista Ridge, TX
9 Marcus, TX
10 Blue Springs, MO
11 William Mason, OH
12 Castle, IN
13 Fishers, IN
14 Dobyns-Bennett, TN
15 Wando, SC
16 Brownsburg, IN
17 Round Rock, TX
18 Homestead, IN
19 Mustang
20 O'Fallon
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Post by LeanderMomma on Nov 3, 2021 10:06:03 GMT -6
(It should probably also be noted that I have a tendency to WAY overanalyze things...) Well, you're in the right place Was there ever a truer statement? 😂 |
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Post by ilikeguard on Nov 3, 2021 10:34:49 GMT -6
Based on the current rankings, here are the top 20 at Grand Nats: 1 Broken Arrow, OK 2 Carmel, IN 3 Flower Mound, TX 4 Avon, IN 5 Ronald Reagan, TX 6 The Woodlands, TX 7 Claudia Taylor Johns 8 Vista Ridge, TX 9 Marcus, TX 10 Blue Springs, MO 11 William Mason, OH 12 Castle, IN 13 Fishers, IN 14 Dobyns-Bennett, TN 15 Wando, SC 16 Brownsburg, IN 17 Round Rock, TX 18 Homestead, IN 19 Mustang 20 O'Fallon Not a bad finals lineup at all. It’s going to be so exciting to see how this turns out when we get all of these groups on the same stage. Unrelated, but WHEN is Rouse, TX going to come to Nats? They’d be a finals contender IMO even with such a stacked lineup like this. |
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Post by marimba11 on Nov 3, 2021 10:42:04 GMT -6
Based on the current rankings, here are the top 20 at Grand Nats: 1 Broken Arrow, OK 2 Carmel, IN 3 Flower Mound, TX 4 Avon, IN 5 Ronald Reagan, TX 6 The Woodlands, TX 7 Claudia Taylor Johns 8 Vista Ridge, TX 9 Marcus, TX 10 Blue Springs, MO 11 William Mason, OH 12 Castle, IN 13 Fishers, IN 14 Dobyns-Bennett, TN 15 Wando, SC 16 Brownsburg, IN 17 Round Rock, TX 18 Homestead, IN 19 Mustang 20 O'Fallon I will be so sad if we don’t have representation from the southeast, but I will not be surprised |
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Post by trumpet25 on Nov 3, 2021 12:17:39 GMT -6
Based on the current rankings, here are the top 20 at Grand Nats: 1 Broken Arrow, OK 2 Carmel, IN 3 Flower Mound, TX 4 Avon, IN 5 Ronald Reagan, TX 6 The Woodlands, TX 7 Claudia Taylor Johns 8 Vista Ridge, TX 9 Marcus, TX 10 Blue Springs, MO 11 William Mason, OH 12 Castle, IN 13 Fishers, IN 14 Dobyns-Bennett, TN 15 Wando, SC 16 Brownsburg, IN 17 Round Rock, TX 18 Homestead, IN 19 Mustang 20 O'Fallon Did you forget Tarpon Springs, or they not coming to GN this year? |
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Post by ilikeguard on Nov 3, 2021 12:20:26 GMT -6
Based on the current rankings, here are the top 20 at Grand Nats: 1 Broken Arrow, OK 2 Carmel, IN 3 Flower Mound, TX 4 Avon, IN 5 Ronald Reagan, TX 6 The Woodlands, TX 7 Claudia Taylor Johns 8 Vista Ridge, TX 9 Marcus, TX 10 Blue Springs, MO 11 William Mason, OH 12 Castle, IN 13 Fishers, IN 14 Dobyns-Bennett, TN 15 Wando, SC 16 Brownsburg, IN 17 Round Rock, TX 18 Homestead, IN 19 Mustang 20 O'Fallon Did you forget Tarpon Springs, or they not coming to GN this year? Tarpon does an on-year, off-year rotation. This year is an off year. |
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Post by es203 on Nov 3, 2021 13:02:25 GMT -6
Based on the current rankings, here are the top 20 at Grand Nats: 1 Broken Arrow, OK 2 Carmel, IN 3 Flower Mound, TX 4 Avon, IN 5 Ronald Reagan, TX 6 The Woodlands, TX 7 Claudia Taylor Johns 8 Vista Ridge, TX 9 Marcus, TX 10 Blue Springs, MO 11 William Mason, OH 12 Castle, IN 13 Fishers, IN 14 Dobyns-Bennett, TN 15 Wando, SC 16 Brownsburg, IN 17 Round Rock, TX 18 Homestead, IN 19 Mustang 20 O'Fallon I will be so sad if we don’t have representation from the southeast, but I will not be surprised It would definitely be a little sad, but I feel 2022 will be a good year for the southeast to flex their muscles. Tarpon will probably be back, and maybe we'll see some Cobb County, Fort Mill, and Cary bands make their return! |
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Post by marimba11 on Nov 3, 2021 13:27:05 GMT -6
I will be so sad if we don’t have representation from the southeast, but I will not be surprised It would definitely be a little sad, but I feel 2022 will be a good year for the southeast to flex their muscles. Tarpon will probably be back, and maybe we'll see some Cobb County, Fort Mill, and Cary bands make their return! I hope so!! |
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Post by drummerboy on Nov 3, 2021 17:25:43 GMT -6
Based on the current rankings, here are the top 20 at Grand Nats: 1 Broken Arrow, OK 2 Carmel, IN 3 Flower Mound, TX 4 Avon, IN 5 Ronald Reagan, TX 6 The Woodlands, TX 7 Claudia Taylor Johns 8 Vista Ridge, TX 9 Marcus, TX 10 Blue Springs, MO 11 William Mason, OH 12 Castle, IN 13 Fishers, IN 14 Dobyns-Bennett, TN 15 Wando, SC 16 Brownsburg, IN 17 Round Rock, TX 18 Homestead, IN 19 Mustang 20 O'Fallon Not a bad finals lineup at all. It’s going to be so exciting to see how this turns out when we get all of these groups on the same stage. Unrelated, but WHEN is Rouse, TX going to come to Nats? They’d be a finals contender IMO even with such a stacked lineup like this. I just can't wrap my head around how the top 11 on this list are not almost all locks and then there are the next 7 or so fighting for ONE SPOT! I know there is always things that happen, electronic failures, etc. but unless someone falls apart, this is going to be insane semi's trying to get in finals. Go BAND!!!! |
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Post by Marching Observer on Nov 3, 2021 17:44:34 GMT -6
One thing is for sure. No band should be upset if they miss finals this year. To quote Jim Ross, "It's going to be a slobberknocker!". And we, as the audience, still win.
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Post by trumpette123 on Nov 3, 2021 18:04:44 GMT -6
It seems most bands are on a rotation for Nationals. Did covid mess things up and cause more bands to attend since we lost a year? Anyone know any of the rotations for any of these school districts?
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Post by Marching Observer on Nov 3, 2021 18:20:21 GMT -6
Not sure about some rotations but I guess it was inevitable that we'd start peaking into the future layout next year. But here is what I've heard so far. I'll keep it to generally considered finalist groups.
Yearly:
Avon
Carmel
Homestead
Castle (rumored.. They don't seem to follow a set trend)
Fishers
Brownsburg
Marian Catholic
Dobyns-Bennett
William Mason
Rotation:
Tarpon Springs
Ayala (rumored)
Vista Murrieta (rumored)
Homestead (CA) (rumored)
Leander
No rotation but rumored:
Wakeland
Broken Arrow (this may be contingent on if they win this year)
This is all speculative though and subject to change due to any number of circumstances. Pandemic, trips being made, etc. All for fun but feel free to add to it as needed. I'm probably missing some obvious groups lol
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Post by supersound on Nov 3, 2021 18:40:58 GMT -6
Not sure about some rotations but I guess it was inevitable that we'd start peaking into the future layout next year. But here is what I've heard so far. I'll keep it to generally considered finalist groups. Yearly: Avon Carmel Homestead Castle (rumored.. They don't seem to follow a set trend) Fishers Brownsburg Marian Catholic Dobyns-Bennett William Mason Rotation: Tarpon Springs Ayala (rumored) Vista Murrieta (rumored) Homestead (CA) (rumored) Leander No rotation but rumored: Wakeland Broken Arrow (this may be contingent on if they win this year) This is all speculative though and subject to change due to any number of circumstances. Pandemic, trips being made, etc. All for fun but feel free to add to it as needed. I'm probably missing some obvious groups lol Ayala has been going every 3 years since 2004, I’d say they’re more than rumored. |
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Post by Allohak on Nov 3, 2021 18:49:30 GMT -6
Not sure about some rotations but I guess it was inevitable that we'd start peaking into the future layout next year. But here is what I've heard so far. I'll keep it to generally considered finalist groups. Yearly: Avon Carmel Homestead Castle (rumored.. They don't seem to follow a set trend) Fishers Brownsburg Marian Catholic Dobyns-Bennett William Mason Rotation: Tarpon Springs Ayala (rumored) Vista Murrieta (rumored) Homestead (CA) (rumored) Leander No rotation but rumored: Wakeland Broken Arrow (this may be contingent on if they win this year) This is all speculative though and subject to change due to any number of circumstances. Pandemic, trips being made, etc. All for fun but feel free to add to it as needed. I'm probably missing some obvious groups lol As a Hoosier I'm surprised you don't remember Castle is on a 3-years-on-1-year-off rotation with a different trip in the off years. Yet to be seen how 2020 may adjust that moving forward. Also, I've heard Pearland is strongly considering making the trip in 2022 |
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Post by marchingmaniac on Nov 3, 2021 18:59:30 GMT -6
Flower Mound, Marcus, and Hebron all go on four-year rotations during the off-state years (this year is wonky with all classes for UIL State). Flower Mound and Marcus go together while Hebron goes on their own. Woodlands and Round Rock go on the off-state years, and I think Claudia Taylor Johnson is joining them now with that two year rotation. Reagan I think goes on a four year rotation as well since they were supposed to go in 2020 for Morrison's last year there, but COVID messed that up so not sure what their rotation is now. I also thought Broken Arrow did a 2 year on 1 year off rotation with a big trip planned for the years off, but maybe that'll change now.
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Post by Marching Observer on Nov 3, 2021 19:12:22 GMT -6
A lot of of my rumored and rotational (that includes Castle) are because I don't know exactly how some groups are still readjusting to the year of Covid. Which is why many of them are conditional.
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Post by dgmommie on Nov 3, 2021 20:30:12 GMT -6
Not sure about some rotations but I guess it was inevitable that we'd start peaking into the future layout next year. But here is what I've heard so far. I'll keep it to generally considered finalist groups. Yearly: Avon Carmel Homestead Castle (rumored.. They don't seem to follow a set trend) Fishers Brownsburg Marian Catholic Dobyns-Bennett William Mason Rotation: Tarpon Springs Ayala (rumored) Vista Murrieta (rumored) Homestead (CA) (rumored) Leander No rotation but rumored: Wakeland Broken Arrow (this may be contingent on if they win this year) This is all speculative though and subject to change due to any number of circumstances. Pandemic, trips being made, etc. All for fun but feel free to add to it as needed. I'm probably missing some obvious groups lol BA parent alumni here as of this past May (3 kids through the program). BA is not rotational at all. They are yearly to St Louis and nationals. The recent years they haven’t gone to nationals but have done something else have been for very specific reasons, and had nothing to do with rotation. |
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Post by drummerboy on Nov 3, 2021 21:03:28 GMT -6
A lot of of my rumored and rotational (that includes Castle) are because I don't know exactly how some groups are still readjusting to the year of Covid. Which is why many of them are conditional. The other major factor is other "big" travel that comes up, more specifically parades, Macy's, Rose Bowl, etc. that tend to make a band choose to do that parade and sometimes skip Grand Nats for cost reasons. |
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Post by Marching Observer on Nov 3, 2021 21:16:17 GMT -6
A lot of of my rumored and rotational (that includes Castle) are because I don't know exactly how some groups are still readjusting to the year of Covid. Which is why many of them are conditional. The other major factor is other "big" travel that comes up, more specifically parades, Macy's, Rose Bowl, etc. that tend to make a band choose to do that parade and sometimes skip Grand Nats for cost reasons. Which is why I made the caveat that bands could still be making plans for trips that we don't know about. |
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Post by marimba11 on Nov 3, 2021 21:29:43 GMT -6
I know Dobyns-Bennett was going to Ireland in 2022, not sure if that’s happening or not.
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Post by ilikeguard on Nov 3, 2021 22:20:24 GMT -6
Hoping to see Camdenton establish a rotation. There was talk of it before the pandemic (with the intention of challenging Marian for the class title in Tarponless years, I would assume) but I’m not sure what the situation is now. Should the program continue to trend up, I can imagine that a rotation would be a realistic goal to achieve.
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Post by banddad85 on Nov 3, 2021 23:35:43 GMT -6
Hoping to see Camdenton establish a rotation. There was talk of it before the pandemic (with the intention of challenging Marian for the class title in Tarponless years, I would assume) but I’m not sure what the situation is now. Should the program continue to trend up, I can imagine that a rotation would be a realistic goal to achieve.
Good morning. I think Camdenton is trending closer to falling into AAA by the time they figure out if they want to 'challenge' anyone. Why do a rotation when the big guns challenge or choose to be challenged every year?
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Post by hewhowaits on Nov 4, 2021 6:00:39 GMT -6
So who has gone into Competition Suite and created a list of bands by class?
And why hasn't it been shared here yet?
Note: the only listing I have seen included Blue Springs as AAAA and we know they are AAA from St. Louis, so that list would seem to be at least partially speculative.
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Post by principalagent on Nov 4, 2021 9:06:57 GMT -6
Hoping to see Camdenton establish a rotation. There was talk of it before the pandemic (with the intention of challenging Marian for the class title in Tarponless years, I would assume) but I’m not sure what the situation is now. Should the program continue to trend up, I can imagine that a rotation would be a realistic goal to achieve.
Good morning. I think Camdenton is trending closer to falling into AAA by the time they figure out if they want to 'challenge' anyone. Why do a rotation when the big guns challenge or choose to be challenged every year?
Camdenton is likely to stay 2A. The county shrunk in size between the last two censuses, and the city itself isn’t big by any stretch. |
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Post by yayband914 on Nov 4, 2021 9:09:44 GMT -6
So who has gone into Competition Suite and created a list of bands by class? And why hasn't it been shared here yet? Note: the only listing I have seen included Blue Springs as AAAA and we know they are AAA from St. Louis, so that list would seem to be at least partially speculative.It has been… it’s just been buried by pages of conversation. I can reshare a little later. |
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Post by hewhowaits on Nov 4, 2021 9:14:53 GMT -6
So who has gone into Competition Suite and created a list of bands by class? And why hasn't it been shared here yet? Note: the only listing I have seen included Blue Springs as AAAA and we know they are AAA from St. Louis, so that list would seem to be at least partially speculative.It has been… it’s just been buried by pages of conversation. I can reshare a little later. As noted, I remember seeing something, but it had Blue Springs listed incorrectly as AAAA. |
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Post by yayband914 on Nov 4, 2021 10:24:59 GMT -6
Updated classification list as per CompetitionSuite. While most of the bands were in their database, only a handful of the implied A and AA bands were not (the smaller and new-to-BOA Ohio and Kentucky schools). Should be close, though! Collinsville, OK is back in A after being originally classified as AA.
CLASS A (28 bands)
Archbishop Alter H.S., OH
Beechwood H.S., KY
Bishop Fenwick H.S., OH
Bourbon County H.S., KY
Carlisle H.S., OH
Carroll H.S., OH
Christian Academy of Louisville, KY
Clinton-Massie H.S., OH
Collinsville H.S., OK
East Clinton H.S., OH
Estill County H.S., KY
Greenon Jr./Sr. H.S., OH
Hollister H.S., MO
Indian Hill H.S., OH
John Hardin H.S., KY
Logan Elm H.S., OH
Mark Twain H.S., MO
Milton-Union H.S., OH
Monrovia H.S., IN
Murray H.S., KY
Norton H.S., OH
Owen County H.S., KY
Pinecrest Academy of Nevada Cadence, NV
Russell Independent H.S., KY
Signal Mountain H.S., TN
St. Clairsville H.S., OH
University H.S., IL
Warren Local H.S., OH
CLASS AA (28 bands)
Anderson County H.S., KY
Boyle County H.S., KY
Central Crossing H.S., OH
Christian County H.S., KY
Danville H.S., IL
Davenport Central H.S., IA
Easley H.S., SC
Fairborn H.S., OH
Grayson County H.S., KY
Greendale H.S., WI
Greenfield-Central H.S., IN
Jenison H.S., MI
Lake Hamilton H.S., AR
Marian Catholic H.S., IL
Meade County H.S., KY
Miamisburg H.S., OH
Morton H.S., IL
Mount Pleasant H.S., MI
Munster H.S., IN
Neosho H.S., MO
Nordonia H.S., OH
Northmont H.S., OH
Norwin H.S., PA
Piqua H.S., OH
Pulaski County H.S., KY
Talawanda H.S., OH
Tippecanoe H.S., OH
Walter E. Stebbins H.S., OH
CLASS AAA (16 bands)
Blue Springs H.S., MO
Castle H.S., IN
Central Hardin H.S., KY
Chattahoochee H.S., GA
Cleveland H.S., NC
Collinsville H.S., IL
Columbus North H.S., IN
DeSoto Central H.S., MS
Dobyns-Bennett H.S., TN
Franklin H.S., TN
Hardin Valley Academy, TN
Lebanon H.S., OH
Milford H.S., OH
Nixa H.S., MO
Rosemount H.S., MN
Springboro H.S., OH
CLASS AAAA (27 bands)
Avon H.S., IN
Bentonville H.S., AR
Broken Arrow H.S., OK
Brownsburg H.S., IN
Carmel H.S., IN
Center Grove H.S., IN
Centerville H.S., OH
Claudia Taylor Johnson H.S., TX
Fishers H.S., IN
Flower Mound H.S., TX
Hamilton H.S., OH
Homestead H.S., IN
Huron Valley Schools, MI
Lake Central H.S., IN
Lakota East H.S., OH
Lawrence Township, IN
Marcus H.S., TX
Mustang H.S., OK
O’Fallon Township H.S., IL
Plymouth-Canton E.P., MI
Rockford H.S., MI
Ronald Reagan H.S., TX
Round Rock H.S., TX
The Woodlands H.S., TX
Vista Ridge H.S., TX
Wando H.S., SC
William Mason H.S., OH
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Post by ilikeguard on Nov 4, 2021 11:04:54 GMT -6
Hoping to see Camdenton establish a rotation. There was talk of it before the pandemic (with the intention of challenging Marian for the class title in Tarponless years, I would assume) but I’m not sure what the situation is now. Should the program continue to trend up, I can imagine that a rotation would be a realistic goal to achieve.
Good morning. I think Camdenton is trending closer to falling into AAA by the time they figure out if they want to 'challenge' anyone. Why do a rotation when the big guns challenge or choose to be challenged every year?
Camdenton R-III is nowhere near being AAA lol. There are barely 1k students 10-12. Remember that class size is school size, not band size (which has also seen significant decline, with ~150 on the field this season compared to the 210 in 2018). As for “big guns”, I think you’ll find that at least when it comes to GN, AA is arguably a more competitive class than AAA, if only because there are twice as many groups to beat to claim a guaranteed spot in semifinals. Good morning as well! |
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Post by ilikeguard on Nov 4, 2021 11:11:36 GMT -6
Updated classification list as per CompetitionSuite. While most of the bands were in their database, only a handful of the implied A and AA bands were not (the smaller and new-to-BOA Ohio and Kentucky schools). Should be close, though! Collinsville, OK is back in A after being originally classified as AA. CLASS A (27 bands)Archbishop Alter H.S., OH Beechwood H.S., KY Bishop Fenwick H.S., OH Bourbon County H.S., KY Carlisle H.S., OH Carroll H.S., OH Christian Academy of Louisville, KY Clinton-Massie H.S., OH Collinsville H.S., OK East Clinton H.S., OH Estill County H.S., KY Greenon Jr./Sr. H.S., OH Hollister H.S., MO Indian Hill H.S., OH John Hardin H.S., KY Mark Twain H.S., MO Milton-Union H.S., OH Monrovia H.S., IN Murray H.S., KY Norton H.S., OH Owen County H.S., KY Pinecrest Academy of Nevada Cadence, NV Russell Independent H.S., KY Signal Mountain H.S., TN St. Clairsville H.S., OH University H.S., IL Warren Local H.S., OH CLASS AA (29 bands)Anderson County H.S., KY Boyle County H.S., KY Central Crossing H.S., OH Christian County H.S., KY Danville H.S., IL Davenport Central H.S., IA Easley H.S., SC Fairborn H.S., OH Grayson County H.S., KY Greendale H.S., WI Greenfield-Central H.S., IN Jenison H.S., MI Lake Hamilton H.S., AR Marian Catholic H.S., IL Meade County H.S., KY Miamisburg H.S., OH Morton H.S., IL Mount Pleasant H.S., MI Munster H.S., IN Neosho H.S., MO Nordonia H.S., OH Northmont H.S., OH Norwin H.S., PA Piqua H.S., OH Pulaski County H.S., KY Talawanda H.S., OH Taylor County H.S., KY Tippecanoe H.S., OH Walter E. Stebbins H.S., OH CLASS AAA (16 bands)Blue Springs H.S., MO Castle H.S., IN Central Hardin H.S., KY Chattahoochee H.S., GA Cleveland H.S., NC Collinsville H.S., IL Columbus North H.S., IN DeSoto Central H.S., MS Dobyns-Bennett H.S., TN Franklin H.S., TN Hardin Valley Academy, TN Lebanon H.S., OH Milford H.S., OH Nixa H.S., MO Rosemount H.S., MN Springboro H.S., OH CLASS AAAA (27 bands)Avon H.S., IN Bentonville H.S., AR Broken Arrow H.S., OK Brownsburg H.S., IN Carmel H.S., IN Center Grove H.S., IN Centerville H.S., OH Claudia Taylor Johnson H.S., TX Fishers H.S., IN Flower Mound H.S., TX Hamilton H.S., OH Homestead H.S., IN Huron Valley Schools, MI Lake Central H.S., IN Lakota East H.S., OH Lawrence Township, IN Marcus H.S., TX Mustang H.S., OK O’Fallon Township H.S., IL Plymouth-Canton E.P., MI Rockford H.S., MI Ronald Reagan H.S., TX Round Rock H.S., TX The Woodlands H.S., TX Vista Ridge H.S., TX Wando H.S., SC William Mason H.S., OH Pretty interesting how each class has virtually the exact same amount of representation and then AAA has half the amount of the others. Is there any particular reason for that? Surely there aren’t just less AAA bands in the country, right? In my mind it seems like that would be the most populated class. |
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