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Post by thewho on Apr 14, 2020 16:08:06 GMT -6
Numbers were released just recently. Only two changes of note: Concord: A to B Evansville North: B to A Other notables: -The new merged program will compete as Memorial in Class A (in 2021). They'll be competing separately as Central and Memorial for the upcoming season. -Northview is in B, but again close to dipping back into C by 26 students. www.issma.net/downloads/classes20.pdf
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Post by indianabandgeek on Apr 14, 2020 18:40:16 GMT -6
I think personally, This is what Concord needs. I have high hopes for them now that they're being brought back down. Personally in my opinion with Carmel and Avon in A, they didn't stand a chance. I'm curious to see how North is going to approach this season. I'm hoping that with the newly merged Memorial, that they have a good shot at making state. Personally I think Northview every year gets an anchor at State and ends up in third. I'm thinking if they can be C within the next two years they have a good shot at winning.
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Post by thewho on Apr 14, 2020 19:21:04 GMT -6
I think personally, This is what Concord needs. I have high hopes for them now that they're being brought back down. Personally in my opinion with Carmel and Avon in A, they didn't stand a chance. I'm curious to see how North is going to approach this season. I'm hoping that with the newly merged Memorial, that they have a good shot at making state. Personally I think Northview every year gets an anchor at State and ends up in third. I'm thinking if they can be C within the next two years they have a good shot at winning. I'm a little bummed that Concord is moving down, simply because the Class A environment did a lot to improve their program. 2017 showed they could take a good swing at a lot of terrific Class A bands and were capable of much more. I can't help but think that was the spark to begin modernizing the program to modern standards. That As much as it hurts me to say it, I don't think Greenfield-Central, Greenwood, Northview, or Munster has what it takes to challenge Concord (barring a terrible show). I... man, I just feel bad for Ev. North. This is a huge step that I don't know if the program is ready for just yet. They were getting better by the year, just not quickly enough before the move up. I don't think this will wreck the program by any means, especially with massive support from the school district, but this isn't an easy move for anyone. I pretty hesitant on saying Memorial has a good shot, since neither Central nor Memorial had not established completely competitive programs before the merge. It's not naught for trying, more of not really quite figuring out what to do exactly (though Central got close in 2012). We'll see how it goes this season. orthview has been in C before for a few years and opted to compete in B.
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Apr 14, 2020 20:03:02 GMT -6
I think personally, This is what Concord needs. I have high hopes for them now that they're being brought back down. Personally in my opinion with Carmel and Avon in A, they didn't stand a chance. I'm curious to see how North is going to approach this season. I'm hoping that with the newly merged Memorial, that they have a good shot at making state. Personally I think Northview every year gets an anchor at State and ends up in third. I'm thinking if they can be C within the next two years they have a good shot at winning. Who does stand a chance with Carmel and Avon in Class A? That’s not really the point, is it?
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Post by paddy on Apr 14, 2020 22:18:25 GMT -6
I must say I am surprised with Concord. Losing 38 kids in the HS and 128 across the corporation is not a good sign. Of course gaining 75 kids to end up 1 over the limit is tough for North (for different reasons).
Concord to B will be interesting. The most recent comparable I could find to the current top B class group was when Concord, Greenwood, and Greenfield competed at Indy Super last year. Before that it was 2016 State finals with Concord, Northview, Greenfield and Munster.
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Post by tubamom on Apr 15, 2020 9:20:08 GMT -6
Am I understanding correctly? You're noting that Elkhart Memorial and Elkhart Central have merged? If that is what you are noting, that is not the case with this upcoming season. The schools are merging.....but the band programs are remaining as is for this coming year. Next year, they will combine into one band.......and likely be bumped into Class A.
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Post by thewho on Apr 15, 2020 12:26:56 GMT -6
Am I understanding correctly? You're noting that Elkhart Memorial and Elkhart Central have merged? If that is what you are noting, that is not the case with this upcoming season. The schools are merging.....but the band programs are remaining as is for this coming year. Next year, they will combine into one band.......and likely be bumped into Class A. You are correct on that, the merged Memorial program won't compete until 2021. That's totally my bad, though I should've known something was up when the school numbers listed both Central and Memorial.
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Post by tubamom on Apr 15, 2020 17:14:22 GMT -6
Yep - So next years classes will likely adjust again....they should be in class A after combining. Hopefully between the two of them, they can produce a program that is Class A competitive!
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Post by Jake W. on Apr 16, 2020 0:40:21 GMT -6
I don't know if this is new for this year of if I just didn't notice it the past few seasons, but if Kokomo were still in the fall circuit, they'd be competing in Class B. That would be an interesting thing to see if they still had their Eric Thornbury magic, although he of course has now brought that magic to Noblesville.
I suppose I find that more interesting on a broader population shift front. That's not just Indiana, of course, but a general move away from mid-sized cities in the Rust Belt/Midwest. 35 years ago Kokomo was a city large enough to have two high schools whose marching bands both competed in ISSMA Class A; same with Anderson and Muncie over the years, and now Elkhart is joining the fold of shrinking down to one high school. And, I get it; there's very few reasons a college graduate would move to Kokomo proper to start a family, or stay in Muncie after finishing classes at Ball State. Indiana's last public high school that was built as a result of population growth was when HSE split into Fishers H.S. in, what, 2006?? Meanwhile every suburban school district in Texas opens 6,000 new schools a year. I'm certainly not lamenting, just thinking it's an interesting note on the ISSMA class changes is all.
On the note of Concord, I do think they'll fare well back in B, for however long that lasts. It could just be a Decatur Central situation where a small incoming class bounces them down for a year. Either way, I was very impressed with their time in A, and I hope they continue to grow in terms of show design and BOA participation. They have among the best concert bands in the state, and with a huge growth in their winter guard program, the Marching Minutemen could easily be an unbeatable B/solid lock A State Finalist/BOA Regional Finalist if they can figure out the cohesive show design department.
I don't worry about Evansville North in A. They might not have the smoothest first year in the class, but they're on the verge of great things and have skyrocketed up unbelievably quickly --- the perfect example of getting a terrific director into a middle-of-the-road program that has all the elements to explode.
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Post by paddy on Apr 16, 2020 21:20:09 GMT -6
Freshman class is the largest of the 4 at Concord. It is followed by 3 large classes in grades 6, 7 & 8. The size drop is from cohort loss as grades move up.
Last year to this 9-10: down 10 10-11: down 23 11-12: down 3
Interesting long term demographic trends in Concord as well.
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Post by hewhowaits on Apr 17, 2020 5:59:16 GMT -6
Freshman class is the largest of the 4 at Concord. It is followed by 3 large classes in grades 6, 7 & 8. The size drop is from cohort loss as grades move up. Last year to this 9-10: down 10 10-11: down 23 11-12: down 3 Interesting long term demographic trends in Concord as well. So Concord has a significant number of dropouts between sophomore and junior years? Is this potentially related to the low unemployment rate in Elkhart County (due largely to the RV industry)? Do the local jobs emphasize mechanical ability over a high school diploma?
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Post by paddy on Apr 17, 2020 9:25:53 GMT -6
Freshman class is the largest of the 4 at Concord. It is followed by 3 large classes in grades 6, 7 & 8. The size drop is from cohort loss as grades move up. Last year to this 9-10: down 10 10-11: down 23 11-12: down 3 Interesting long term demographic trends in Concord as well. So Concord has a significant number of dropouts between sophomore and junior years? Is this potentially related to the low unemployment rate in Elkhart County (due largely to the RV industry)? Do the local jobs emphasize mechanical ability over a high school diploma? They had a large number of people leave Concord HS between grades 10 and 11. Goshen HS is 15 minutes away and Northridge HS is 20 minutes away, maybe they went there. Maybe the families moved. Maybe they transferred to a private school. I am not sure we can classify them as drop outs.
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Post by tubamom on Apr 20, 2020 12:44:00 GMT -6
You can add Jimtown, Elkhart Central & Memorial, and Northwood.....all in close proximity of the above mentioned.
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Post by Marching Observer on Apr 22, 2020 18:52:30 GMT -6
In regards to the consolidation of HS's it's rather interesting to note that the last NEW HS in Indiana built was Fishers. That was over a decade ago. Then you have places like Texas that continue to build new ones and in a lot of cases, instantly have a lot of success with those band programs.
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Post by aenglish17 on Apr 24, 2020 14:35:31 GMT -6
Hey guys. I heard from a band friend that ISSMA is making a rule that because some band camps are being cancelled, The show length will be 5 minuets only. Does anyone know about this?
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Apr 24, 2020 15:27:24 GMT -6
Hey guys. I heard from a band friend that ISSMA is making a rule that because some band camps are being cancelled, The show length will be 5 minuets only. Does anyone know about this? I find that hard to believe. If there is actually a full competitive season you'd be forcing all the major Class A groups to choose between ISSMA and BOA. No way they'd do that.
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Post by thewho on Apr 24, 2020 16:31:02 GMT -6
An email was sent to directors a few weeks ago. I don't recall hearing a max on show time length, but the minimum was lowered. Regional ratings were also lowered by 10 points.
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Apr 24, 2020 17:42:32 GMT -6
An email was sent to directors a few weeks ago. I don't recall hearing a max on show time length, but the minimum was lowered. Regional ratings were also lowered by 10 points. OK, I could see the minimum show length time requirement being lowered. That would make sense. But limiting a show length obviously would not. Especially since most shows were probably already written.
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Post by thewho on Apr 24, 2020 17:49:37 GMT -6
An email was sent to directors a few weeks ago. I don't recall hearing a max on show time length, but the minimum was lowered. Regional ratings were also lowered by 10 points. OK, I could see the minimum show length time requirement being lowered. That would make sense. But limiting a show length obviously would not. Especially since most shows were probably already written. Speculation, but I wouldn't really call it out of the question if the outlook continues to be negative through the summer (and by all means, it seems it will continue to be barring drastic action).
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Post by jeremiah on Apr 25, 2020 16:34:50 GMT -6
Hey guys. I heard from a band friend that ISSMA is making a rule that because some band camps are being cancelled, The show length will be 5 minuets only. Does anyone know about this? I find that hard to believe. If there is actually a full competitive season you'd be forcing all the major Class A groups to choose between ISSMA and BOA. No way they'd do that. I think you misread the rule. It's not a time limit, it is a limit on how many minuets a single band can play. No more than five different minuets.
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Post by tubamom on Apr 26, 2020 11:57:35 GMT -6
Who has cancelled band camp? In the northern area, some have still not decided on what is happening with graduations.
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Post by LeanderMomma on Apr 26, 2020 12:38:34 GMT -6
I find that hard to believe. If there is actually a full competitive season you'd be forcing all the major Class A groups to choose between ISSMA and BOA. No way they'd do that. I think you misread the rule. It's not a time limit, it is a limit on how many minuets a single band can play. No more than five different minuets. Gotta love a good minuet.
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Post by hewhowaits on Apr 26, 2020 14:18:23 GMT -6
I think you misread the rule. It's not a time limit, it is a limit on how many minuets a single band can play. No more than five different minuets. Gotta love a good minuet. But no more than five.
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Post by Allohak on Apr 26, 2020 15:27:14 GMT -6
Gotta love a good minuet. But no more than five. The real trick would be finding a minute 5-minute minuet
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Post by LeanderMomma on Apr 26, 2020 19:47:37 GMT -6
The real trick would be finding a minute 5-minute minuet Ha. These are great dad jokes.
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Post by TeamIndiana on May 5, 2020 14:31:44 GMT -6
Numbers were released just recently. Only two changes of note: Concord: A to B Evansville North: B to A Other notables: -The new merged program will compete as Memorial in Class A (in 2021). They'll be competing separately as Central and Memorial for the upcoming season. -Northview is in B, but again close to dipping back into C by 26 students. www.issma.net/downloads/classes20.pdfLate to the game here... but what a bummer seeing Concord move back to B. They had really grown their show design in class A, and I was excited to see where they were going to take it. I know many of their fans will be excited to see them moving back to a class where they KNOW they will always safely be in finals (if not at the top). As for Evansville North, that’s a tough move. I would love to see them pull a Plainfield 2018, but it is going to be an uphill battle :/
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