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Post by marimba11 on Jul 4, 2020 22:44:42 GMT -6
Well I guess that means the Atlanta Super Regional won’t be returning anytime soon...😐 Which honestly still makes no sense to me in terms of demand with regard to the southeast. But now with the FL regional back (at a pretty nice stadium and getting good attendance from fl bands) I highly doubt we’ll ever be so lucky to get Mercedes back. But with the supposed sky high price of the Mercedes dome and spotty demand Powder Springs I guess is the best we can do... which is not cutting it IMO. I think a lot of things are going on here with demand. The Midwest bands have a lot of early regionals to attend as well as a slew of state and regional events as well as the Indy regional, so no real reason for those bands to go. SC is one of the few states in the southeast with a robust state circuit, and championships for 95% of the states bands always coincided with that last week of nov. NC and Virginia have solid bands that would compete and do fairly well but attendance usually wasn’t every year. FL is seeing a resurgence yet attendance was spotty from many of those groups and they have their own show now. Georgia is interesting as Cobb county has taken a pretty dramatic decline (schools splits is the reason that seems to be) and just doesn’t seem to be all that interested in making that regional a priority (which I could never figure out). There was a good slew of other bands from other states too but never enough to make a big difference. Also Atlanta is nice, but Orlando is better in terms of trips for students traveling great distances. |
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Post by Subito Fortissimo on Jul 5, 2020 19:41:28 GMT -6
Well I guess that means the Atlanta Super Regional won’t be returning anytime soon...😐 Which honestly still makes no sense to me in terms of demand with regard to the southeast. But now with the FL regional back (at a pretty nice stadium and getting good attendance from fl bands) I highly doubt we’ll ever be so lucky to get Mercedes back. But with the supposed sky high price of the Mercedes dome and spotty demand Powder Springs I guess is the best we can do... which is not cutting it IMO. I think a lot of things are going on here with demand. The Midwest bands have a lot of early regionals to attend as well as a slew of state and regional events as well as the Indy regional, so no real reason for those bands to go. SC is one of the few states in the southeast with a robust state circuit, and championships for 95% of the states bands always coincided with that last week of nov. NC and Virginia have solid bands that would compete and do fairly well but attendance usually wasn’t every year. FL is seeing a resurgence yet attendance was spotty from many of those groups and they have their own show now. Georgia is interesting as Cobb county has taken a pretty dramatic decline (schools splits is the reason that seems to be) and just doesn’t seem to be all that interested in making that regional a priority (which I could never figure out). There was a good slew of other bands from other states too but never enough to make a big difference. Also Atlanta is nice, but Orlando is better in terms of trips for students traveling great distances. There have been murmurings that the Panthers are going to build a new stadium and David Tepper (team owner) has said he wants a retractable roof, not that a stadium in Charlotte really needs it. But that could be a possibility in the next 5-10 years. Though I doubt the roof will happen unless it is largely privately funded. There is also the problem that the Panthers have been always been extremely restrictive for who they will allow to use the current stadium. There are basically no events there outside of NFL games, a couple big college games per year, and a handful of international soccer matches and big European club preseason matches. |
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Post by marimba11 on Jul 5, 2020 20:25:17 GMT -6
Which honestly still makes no sense to me in terms of demand with regard to the southeast. But now with the FL regional back (at a pretty nice stadium and getting good attendance from fl bands) I highly doubt we’ll ever be so lucky to get Mercedes back. But with the supposed sky high price of the Mercedes dome and spotty demand Powder Springs I guess is the best we can do... which is not cutting it IMO. I think a lot of things are going on here with demand. The Midwest bands have a lot of early regionals to attend as well as a slew of state and regional events as well as the Indy regional, so no real reason for those bands to go. SC is one of the few states in the southeast with a robust state circuit, and championships for 95% of the states bands always coincided with that last week of nov. NC and Virginia have solid bands that would compete and do fairly well but attendance usually wasn’t every year. FL is seeing a resurgence yet attendance was spotty from many of those groups and they have their own show now. Georgia is interesting as Cobb county has taken a pretty dramatic decline (schools splits is the reason that seems to be) and just doesn’t seem to be all that interested in making that regional a priority (which I could never figure out). There was a good slew of other bands from other states too but never enough to make a big difference. Also Atlanta is nice, but Orlando is better in terms of trips for students traveling great distances. There have been murmurings that the Panthers are going to build a new stadium and David Tepper (team owner) has said he wants a retractable roof, not that a stadium in Charlotte really needs it. But that could be a possibility in the next 5-10 years. Though I doubt the roof will happen unless it is largely privately funded. There is also the problem that the Panthers have been always been extremely restrictive for who they will allow to use the current stadium. There are basically no events there outside of NFL games, a couple big college games per year, and a handful of international soccer matches and big European club preseason matches. You are 100% right about the panthers stadium current usage, not sure the rationale there. Veterans memorial stadium right around the corner was home to the DCI night beat for many years as I’m sure you know. I think that stopped in 2015 when it moved to Winston Salem which is a better stadium (but it’s nicer to be closer to Charlotte). I heard with the new stadium tapper wanted to build it would NOT have a roof, but I’d love for me to be wrong! |
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Post by Subito Fortissimo on Jul 5, 2020 20:44:06 GMT -6
There have been murmurings that the Panthers are going to build a new stadium and David Tepper (team owner) has said he wants a retractable roof, not that a stadium in Charlotte really needs it. But that could be a possibility in the next 5-10 years. Though I doubt the roof will happen unless it is largely privately funded. There is also the problem that the Panthers have been always been extremely restrictive for who they will allow to use the current stadium. There are basically no events there outside of NFL games, a couple big college games per year, and a handful of international soccer matches and big European club preseason matches. You are 100% right about the panthers stadium current usage, not sure the rationale there. Veterans memorial stadium right around the corner was home to the DCI night beat for many years as I’m sure you know. I think that stopped in 2015 when it moved to Winston Salem which is a better stadium (but it’s nicer to be closer to Charlotte). I heard with the new stadium tapper wanted to build it would NOT have a roof, but I’d love for me to be wrong! There were a few reasons why DCI left Memorial Stadium. For one, it was out of use for a few years when a huge sink hole opened up under the end zone stands. That problem was fixed but parking was a massive issue, even with new parking decks that opened up. There was also a lack of close warmup areas that didn't bleed into the stadium. And then there was Charlotte Parks & Rec who runs the stadium and was a pain to deal with. As far as the Panthers, there hasn't been any change in them allowing more usage of BofA Stadium even with the new ownership. Not sure that will change in the future but we can hope! |
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Post by Allohak on Jul 5, 2020 21:02:18 GMT -6
You are 100% right about the panthers stadium current usage, not sure the rationale there. Veterans memorial stadium right around the corner was home to the DCI night beat for many years as I’m sure you know. I think that stopped in 2015 when it moved to Winston Salem which is a better stadium (but it’s nicer to be closer to Charlotte). I heard with the new stadium tapper wanted to build it would NOT have a roof, but I’d love for me to be wrong! There were a few reasons why DCI left Memorial Stadium. For one, it was out of use for a few years when a huge sink hole opened up under the end zone stands. That problem was fixed but parking was a massive issue, even with new parking decks that opened up. There was also a lack of close warmup areas that didn't bleed into the stadium. And then there was Charlotte Parks & Rec who runs the stadium and was a pain to deal with. As far as the Panthers, there hasn't been any change in them allowing more usage of BofA Stadium even with the new ownership. Not sure that will change in the future but we can hope! Charlotte also has an MLS expansion club starting next year (2021 season), owned by Tepper and will share the new stadium with the Panthers when it's built. |
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Post by hewhowaits on Jul 6, 2020 5:34:08 GMT -6
There have been murmurings that the Panthers are going to build a new stadium and David Tepper (team owner) has said he wants a retractable roof, not that a stadium in Charlotte really needs it. But that could be a possibility in the next 5-10 years. Though I doubt the roof will happen unless it is largely privately funded. There is also the problem that the Panthers have been always been extremely restrictive for who they will allow to use the current stadium. There are basically no events there outside of NFL games, a couple big college games per year, and a handful of international soccer matches and big European club preseason matches. A few observations on this: - If Tepper wants a new stadium, there WILL be a new stadium.
- Advantages of a roof in Charlotte would include better comfort on blazing sun days (September) and reduced incidence of really wet days (October).
- The main reason for limiting stadium usage is the grass field that doesn't stand up well to wet weather.
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Post by Subito Fortissimo on Jul 6, 2020 19:13:09 GMT -6
There have been murmurings that the Panthers are going to build a new stadium and David Tepper (team owner) has said he wants a retractable roof, not that a stadium in Charlotte really needs it. But that could be a possibility in the next 5-10 years. Though I doubt the roof will happen unless it is largely privately funded. There is also the problem that the Panthers have been always been extremely restrictive for who they will allow to use the current stadium. There are basically no events there outside of NFL games, a couple big college games per year, and a handful of international soccer matches and big European club preseason matches. A few observations on this: - If Tepper wants a new stadium, there WILL be a new stadium.
- Advantages of a roof in Charlotte would include better comfort on blazing sun days (September) and reduced incidence of really wet days (October).
- The main reason for limiting stadium usage is the grass field that doesn't stand up well to wet weather.
All true. Hopefully if/when a new stadium is built it will have a roof and it will be available for band competitions. |
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Post by Marimbology on Jul 6, 2020 19:51:06 GMT -6
A few observations on this: - If Tepper wants a new stadium, there WILL be a new stadium.
- Advantages of a roof in Charlotte would include better comfort on blazing sun days (September) and reduced incidence of really wet days (October).
- The main reason for limiting stadium usage is the grass field that doesn't stand up well to wet weather.
All true. Hopefully if/when a new stadium is built it will have a roof and it will be available for band competitions. Now I know this is a claim that may seem dumb, but you can take it with a grain of salt since this is coming from a guy who has no idea the enormous pricing for booking at the Mercedes Stadium in Atlanta, nor MFA’s budget per year, but if you’d like please read. The last time an Atlanta Super Regional was held was back in 2017 at the Mercedes Benz Stadium. Now I’m taking this with the assumption that this season gets cancelled. If that happens they technically wouldn’t have lost any money right? Obviously they had to refund the money to the bands that had signed up and had to pay a fee, however that would be it right, the venues surely couldn’t still charge them if the event never happened. Hell, MFA hasn’t sold any tickets yet. So with this in mind, is it possible that in 2021, in order to make a lot of money in order to remain somewhat stable, wouldn’t they have to wager in and risk their money by getting larger venues to potentially break even and then some in order to recover? Wouldn’t this mean that out of all the places they would get, the Benz Stadium is probably one of the first on their list since the Atlanta Super Regional was one of the longest running ones ever held in BOA history. So I feel they would want to go back there as well as other venues not used in awhile as well. Look I know this is a stretch, and again comes from a guy who has no economic knowledge on MFA’s standings, but isn’t this somewhat possible/plausible? |
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Post by Marimbology on Jul 6, 2020 19:54:12 GMT -6
All true. Hopefully if/when a new stadium is built it will have a roof and it will be available for band competitions. Now I know this is a claim that may seem dumb, but you can take it with a grain of salt since this is coming from a guy who has no idea the enormous pricing for booking at the Mercedes Stadium in Atlanta, nor MFA’s budget per year, but if you’d like please read. The last time an Atlanta Super Regional was held was back in 2017 at the Mercedes Benz Stadium. Now I’m taking this with the assumption that this season gets cancelled. If that happens they technically wouldn’t have lost any money right? Obviously they had to refund the money to the bands that had signed up and had to pay a fee, however that would be it right, the venues surely couldn’t still charge them if the event never happened. Hell, MFA hasn’t sold any tickets yet. So with this in mind, is it possible that in 2021, in order to make a lot of money in order to remain somewhat stable, wouldn’t they have to wager in and risk their money by getting larger venues to potentially break even and then some in order to recover? Wouldn’t this mean that out of all the places they would get, the Benz Stadium is probably one of the first on their list since the Atlanta Super Regional was one of the longest running ones ever held in BOA history. So I feel they would want to go back there as well as other venues not used in awhile as well. Look I know this is a stretch, and again comes from a guy who has no economic knowledge on MFA’s standings, but isn’t this somewhat possible/plausible? It also may be a pipe dream of mine, but I’m just saying the Powder Springs Regional is okay...but it definitely doesn’t feel the same. |
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Post by Allohak on Jul 6, 2020 20:04:53 GMT -6
they technically wouldn’t have lost any money right? Not so much. I can't speak to the organization's financial specifics, but they would still have significant expenses without the benefit of their biggest fundraisers. They of course have staff, office space, advertising, etc Between national festival, summer symposium, and fall marching contests, MFA has a lot of irons in the fire, all of which could end up not happening. That means a lot of sponsorships and registration fees, not to mention general visibility, lost. Unfortunately, losing 2020 isn't quite as simple as just hitting the pause button and trying again in 2021. |
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Post by Marimbology on Jul 6, 2020 20:20:49 GMT -6
they technically wouldn’t have lost any money right? Not so much. I can't speak to the organization's financial specifics, but they would still have significant expenses without the benefit of their biggest fundraisers. They of course have staff, office space, advertising, etc Between national festival, summer symposium, and fall marching contests, MFA has a lot of irons in the fire, all of which could end up not happening. That means a lot of sponsorships and registration fees, not to mention general visibility, lost. Unfortunately, losing 2020 isn't quite as simple as just hitting the pause button and trying again in 2021. I figured as much... |
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Post by marimba11 on Jul 6, 2020 20:31:51 GMT -6
All true. Hopefully if/when a new stadium is built it will have a roof and it will be available for band competitions. Now I know this is a claim that may seem dumb, but you can take it with a grain of salt since this is coming from a guy who has no idea the enormous pricing for booking at the Mercedes Stadium in Atlanta, nor MFA’s budget per year, but if you’d like please read. The last time an Atlanta Super Regional was held was back in 2017 at the Mercedes Benz Stadium. Now I’m taking this with the assumption that this season gets cancelled. If that happens they technically wouldn’t have lost any money right? Obviously they had to refund the money to the bands that had signed up and had to pay a fee, however that would be it right, the venues surely couldn’t still charge them if the event never happened. Hell, MFA hasn’t sold any tickets yet. So with this in mind, is it possible that in 2021, in order to make a lot of money in order to remain somewhat stable, wouldn’t they have to wager in and risk their money by getting larger venues to potentially break even and then some in order to recover? Wouldn’t this mean that out of all the places they would get, the Benz Stadium is probably one of the first on their list since the Atlanta Super Regional was one of the longest running ones ever held in BOA history. So I feel they would want to go back there as well as other venues not used in awhile as well. Look I know this is a stretch, and again comes from a guy who has no economic knowledge on MFA’s standings, but isn’t this somewhat possible/plausible? You’re logic is correct. The only thing I think this doesn’t solve is the reason the show was canceled in the first place, lack of demand. And honestly demand wasn’t awful, (around 30 ish bands) not awful but also not justifiable. And with COVID who knows what will come next with regard to demand. Now following your logic BOA could tentatively schedule the dome for 2021 and see what takers they would accrue ... then maybe cancel to powder springs if the slots don’t fill up. That might be a good idea. Many bands also used the Atlanta regional as a way to finish the season in lieu of going to GN. If GN is canceled but back on in 2021, demand for the possibility of an Atlanta dome might be low. Interesting thanks for breaking this out! |
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Post by jeremiah on Jul 7, 2020 14:16:41 GMT -6
Now I know this is a claim that may seem dumb, but you can take it with a grain of salt since this is coming from a guy who has no idea the enormous pricing for booking at the Mercedes Stadium in Atlanta, nor MFA’s budget per year, but if you’d like please read. The last time an Atlanta Super Regional was held was back in 2017 at the Mercedes Benz Stadium. Now I’m taking this with the assumption that this season gets cancelled. If that happens they technically wouldn’t have lost any money right? Obviously they had to refund the money to the bands that had signed up and had to pay a fee, however that would be it right, the venues surely couldn’t still charge them if the event never happened. Hell, MFA hasn’t sold any tickets yet. So with this in mind, is it possible that in 2021, in order to make a lot of money in order to remain somewhat stable, wouldn’t they have to wager in and risk their money by getting larger venues to potentially break even and then some in order to recover? Wouldn’t this mean that out of all the places they would get, the Benz Stadium is probably one of the first on their list since the Atlanta Super Regional was one of the longest running ones ever held in BOA history. So I feel they would want to go back there as well as other venues not used in awhile as well. Look I know this is a stretch, and again comes from a guy who has no economic knowledge on MFA’s standings, but isn’t this somewhat possible/plausible? From my understanding, MFA did not pay for Mercedes Benz Stadium in 2017. |
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Post by Marimbology on Jul 31, 2020 15:29:13 GMT -6
I’m surprised that, like with the Jacksonville State University or Austin Peay State University, they don’t try to get a university stadium for another Regional/Super Regional. Such as the Sanford Stadium at UGA.
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Post by hewhowaits on Jul 31, 2020 15:50:00 GMT -6
I’m surprised that, like with the Jacksonville State University or Austin Peay State University, they don’t try to get a university stadium for another Regional/Super Regional. Such as the Sanford Stadium at UGA. The likelihood of getting on the field at an SEC "shrine" is remote at best. |
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Post by marimba11 on Jul 31, 2020 17:56:43 GMT -6
I’m surprised that, like with the Jacksonville State University or Austin Peay State University, they don’t try to get a university stadium for another Regional/Super Regional. Such as the Sanford Stadium at UGA. The likelihood of getting on the field at an SEC "shrine" is remote at best. You’re right... but why is that? |
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Post by Allohak on Jul 31, 2020 18:11:20 GMT -6
The likelihood of getting on the field at an SEC "shrine" is remote at best. You’re right... but why is that? Because SEC football programs would never allow their field to be used for anything other than football And even if they did, they'd charge exorbitant rental fees |
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Post by jeremiah on Aug 1, 2020 10:16:50 GMT -6
The likelihood of getting on the field at an SEC "shrine" is remote at best. You’re right... but why is that? Sanford Stadium in particular is a grass field. Grass fields don't go well with marching band competitions, where 40 groups enter and exit the field along roughly the same path, pushing all their props, laying out tarps, and setting down all sorts of instruments, microphones, and equipment. |
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Post by Subito Fortissimo on Aug 1, 2020 19:37:05 GMT -6
I really can't see BOA ever scheduling another Super Regional that isn't in a dome. Supers just draw too many bands from too far away to take that risk. The only possible exception being SoCal or Vegas where rain is unlikely to be an issue.
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Post by marimba11 on Aug 2, 2020 19:06:25 GMT -6
I really can't see BOA ever scheduling another Super Regional that isn't in a dome. Supers just draw too many bands from too far away to take that risk. The only possible exception being SoCal or Vegas where rain is unlikely to be an issue. Flagstaff seems like a good option. Attendance seems to be the issue there. |
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Post by Allohak on Aug 3, 2020 10:06:56 GMT -6
I really can't see BOA ever scheduling another Super Regional that isn't in a dome. Supers just draw too many bands from too far away to take that risk. The only possible exception being SoCal or Vegas where rain is unlikely to be an issue. Flagstaff seems like a good option. Attendance seems to be the issue there. The trouble with Flagstaff is the low number of truly local groups. Pretty much everyone attending has to make a long weekend out of it |
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