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Post by Marching Observer on Sept 30, 2021 10:43:11 GMT -6
I have a question I’ve been pondering a long time and maybe some of you can help me with it. Why do some of these Oklahoma, Arkansas and Missouri programs NOT bring their kids to San Antonio?! I know Camdenton has several times, but that’s about it as far as I can remember. I absolutely understand that directors want their kids to have a great Super Regional experience, but I honestly don’t think they know that they could have an equally phenomenal experience in San Antonio and it would actually expose them to something different. Not different as in better or worse. Just DIFFERENT. I would think directors would actually want that for their programs every so often, and so I honestly am curious why they don’t venture south every 3-4 years or so. If I was running one of these NW Arkansas programs up here, I would totally take them to Texas for a Super Regional every so often! Make it a fun adventure for them. Do the Riverwalk and the Alamo. Take them to Six Flags even. It would be a wonderful trip and a great experience for these kids!!!! Oversimplified answer, because they stand a better chance at making finals at St. Louis. 😕
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Post by LeanderMomma on Sept 30, 2021 10:53:33 GMT -6
I have a question I’ve been pondering a long time and maybe some of you can help me with it. Why do some of these Oklahoma, Arkansas and Missouri programs NOT bring their kids to San Antonio?! I know Camdenton has several times, but that’s about it as far as I can remember. I absolutely understand that directors want their kids to have a great Super Regional experience, but I honestly don’t think they know that they could have an equally phenomenal experience in San Antonio and it would actually expose them to something different. Not different as in better or worse. Just DIFFERENT. I would think directors would actually want that for their programs every so often, and so I honestly am curious why they don’t venture south every 3-4 years or so. If I was running one of these NW Arkansas programs up here, I would totally take them to Texas for a Super Regional every so often! Make it a fun adventure for them. Do the Riverwalk and the Alamo. Take them to Six Flags even. It would be a wonderful trip and a great experience for these kids!!!! Oversimplified answer, because they stand a better chance at making finals at St. Louis. 😕 Well I get that to a certain extent, but wouldn’t the kids be motivated more if they spent time with successful programs they haven’t competed with before? You can only learn so much from doing the same ol thing.
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Post by theangrybavarian on Sept 30, 2021 10:59:02 GMT -6
Prelims Schedule as of 09/29 I will update the full enrollment list up top tomorrow night. FRIDAY10:30 — Parkway South H.S., MO 10:45 — New Berlin West H.S., WI 11:00 — Alton H.S., IL 11:15 — Belleville East H.S., IL 11:30 — Murphysboro H.S., IL 11:45 — Mascoutah H.S., IL 12:00 — Fort Zumwalt West H.S., MO 12:15 — Lafayette H.S., MO 12:30 — Triad H.S., IL 12:45 — Northwest H.S., MO 1:00 — Timberland H.S., MO BREAK 2:00 — Collinsville H.S., IL 2:15 — Mark Twain H.S., MO 2:30 — Marquette H.S., MO 2:45 — Normal H.S., IL 3:00 — Sullivan H.S., MO 3:15 — Fort Zumwalt North H.S., MO 3:30 — Lindbergh H.S., MO 3:45 — Francis Howell North H.S., MO 4:00 — Capital City H.S., MO 4:15 — Oakville H.S., MO 4:30 — Neosho H.S., MO 4:45 — Parkway Central H.S., MO Interesting that New Berlin West are going on so early in the day, considering they may have to come down Thursday night on account of their distance away. I will say that this is the latest Collinsville have gone on in several years, as since they have a drive of 20ish minutes, MFA usually has them in the first block. Nice to see NE Missouri foraying into BOA with Mark Twain coming down.
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Post by principalagent on Sept 30, 2021 11:17:43 GMT -6
Well I get that to a certain extent, but wouldn’t the kids be motivated more if they spent time with successful programs they haven’t competed with before? You can only learn so much from doing the same ol thing. Costs a lot of money to score and place lower. Directors also have to make the case for these trips to boosters and both school and district admin. If they’re not bringing home hardware, it can basically make the plans untenable.
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Post by LeanderMomma on Sept 30, 2021 11:24:42 GMT -6
Well I get that to a certain extent, but wouldn’t the kids be motivated more if they spent time with successful programs they haven’t competed with before? You can only learn so much from doing the same ol thing. Costs a lot of money to score and place lower. Directors also have to make the case for these trips to boosters and both school and district admin. If they’re not bringing home hardware, it can basically make the plans untenable. Well to be honest, I’m actually talking more about the programs that DON’T expect to make finals at St Louis. Bring those kids to Texas and give them a different experience than what they’re used to (like seeing Broken Arrow ALWAYS win).
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Post by hostrauser on Sept 30, 2021 11:32:41 GMT -6
I have a question I’ve been pondering a long time and maybe some of you can help me with it. Why do some of these Oklahoma, Arkansas and Missouri programs NOT bring their kids to San Antonio?! Distance and money: 248 miles from Kansas City to St. Louis, 482 miles from KC to Indy, 506 miles from KC to Dallas, and 816 miles from KC to San Antonio. Two whole days of travel instead of two (or one!) partial day(s) of travel. Two overnights instead of one (or none!). Higher bus fees. Added fuel costs. Etc. Quite simply: Texas is far too massive, and San Antonio is a "special trip" for anyone outside of Texas.
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Post by ilikeguard on Sept 30, 2021 12:04:45 GMT -6
I have a question I’ve been pondering a long time and maybe some of you can help me with it. Why do some of these Oklahoma, Arkansas and Missouri programs NOT bring their kids to San Antonio?! I know Camdenton has several times, but that’s about it as far as I can remember. I absolutely understand that directors want their kids to have a great Super Regional experience, but I honestly don’t think they know that they could have an equally phenomenal experience in San Antonio and it would actually expose them to something different. Not different as in better or worse. Just DIFFERENT. I would think directors would actually want that for their programs every so often, and so I honestly am curious why they don’t venture south every 3-4 years or so. If I was running one of these NW Arkansas programs up here, I would totally take them to Texas for a Super Regional every so often! Make it a fun adventure for them. Do the Riverwalk and the Alamo. Take them to Six Flags even. It would be a wonderful trip and a great experience for these kids!!!! Hollister MO went last season. They had the VR 2018 uniforms and ended up placing in A. I definitely agree that more midwest bands should attend SA- I went to both SA and GN my senior year and enjoyed Texas more. It’s just SUCH a drive…you would think Broken Arrow would give it a shot at attending, but I don’t think they want to break their streak in STL.
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Post by Marching Observer on Sept 30, 2021 12:06:42 GMT -6
Oversimplified answer, because they stand a better chance at making finals at St. Louis. 😕 Well I get that to a certain extent, but wouldn’t the kids be motivated more if they spent time with successful programs they haven’t competed with before? You can only learn so much from doing the same ol thing. I absolutely agree and if I were a director would do that. But I'm not. And of course there are other logistical issues. SA is deep in Texas and we all know Texas is Big. With a capitol B haha. I'd love if more Indiana bands went for example but 💲💲💲. Plus, doing so means skipping out on State Finals here. Bands like Wando and Tarpon might be able too but again, money heh. Doesn't it suck how much of the band works revolves around it?
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Post by Marching Observer on Sept 30, 2021 12:08:57 GMT -6
Costs a lot of money to score and place lower. Directors also have to make the case for these trips to boosters and both school and district admin. If they’re not bringing home hardware, it can basically make the plans untenable. Well to be honest, I’m actually talking more about the programs that DON’T expect to make finals at St Louis. Bring those kids to Texas and give them a different experience than what they’re used to (like seeing Broken Arrow ALWAYS win). Send Vandegrift to SL then since they aren't going to GN to beat BA haha. No but seriously, send Hebron or the like. Please. Anyone on those off years 😜
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Post by ilikeguard on Sept 30, 2021 12:11:08 GMT -6
Well to be honest, I’m actually talking more about the programs that DON’T expect to make finals at St Louis. Bring those kids to Texas and give them a different experience than what they’re used to (like seeing Broken Arrow ALWAYS win). Send Vandegrift to SL then since they aren't going to GN to beat BA haha. No but seriously, send Hebron or the like. Please. Anyone on those off years 😜 Would LOVE to see Hebron at STL
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Post by principalagent on Sept 30, 2021 12:29:31 GMT -6
Send Vandegrift to SL then since they aren't going to GN to beat BA haha. No but seriously, send Hebron or the like. Please. Anyone on those off years 😜 Would LOVE to see Hebron at STL More and more regions are scheduling UIL Region during the week, so it actually does open up that weekend for some programs! However, St Louis fell on 5A Area this year, which blocks many truly great fits for St Louis from attending.
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Post by LeanderMomma on Sept 30, 2021 13:01:45 GMT -6
Y’all raise some great points of course, especially the cost of such a trip, but I also know that bands sometimes like to take a BIG trip somewhere. Why not Texas? 🤷🏻♀️
I do understand the whole state competition date conflicts tho. That one is unavoidable unfortunately.
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Post by marimba11 on Sept 30, 2021 13:48:04 GMT -6
Slightly off topic: but when LD Bell came to Atlanta in 2015 that was amazing. Not only was it one of their best shows that decade but it was super fun to just increase the competitiveness that much more. I think Winston Churchill Westwood and a few others came from TX.
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Post by hewhowaits on Sept 30, 2021 13:57:22 GMT -6
Slightly off topic: but when LD Bell came to Atlanta in 2015 that was amazing. Not only was it one of their best shows that decade but it was super fun to just increase the competitiveness that much more. I think Winston Churchill Westwood and a few others came from TX. Clements - 7th in prelims, 11th in finals Cypress Hills - 6th in prelims, 6th in finals L.D. Bell - 2nd in prelims, 2nd in finals Westwood - 10th in prelims, 9th in finals Winston Churchill - 4th in prelims, 7th in finals
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Post by Marching Observer on Sept 30, 2021 14:09:01 GMT -6
Y’all raise some great points of course, especially the cost of such a trip, but I also know that bands sometimes like to take a BIG trip somewhere. Why not Texas? 🤷🏻♀️ I do understand the whole state competition date conflicts tho. That one is unavoidable unfortunately. Because it's also hard to compete with Disney. CA and FL have them and are THE destination pushed hardest by the travel companies. It's also safe because...well... Disney! Almost guaranteed to have a good time with all the memories. Now don't get me wrong, there is of course lots of great things to do in Texas too. And you can angle the trip for historical significance with like the Alamo. Never forget! 😉 It can just be a harder sell is all. I remember taking a band trip though to Arizona and seeing the Grand Canyon and competing in the Fiesta Bowl National Band Championship (RIP to that contest) and that was a fantastic time.
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Post by statechamp1239 on Sept 30, 2021 14:51:17 GMT -6
Carmel, Avon, Union, Owasso, Ayala, and Blue Springs has gone to SA, but not Broken Arrow. Things are not adding up.
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Post by principalagent on Sept 30, 2021 15:15:06 GMT -6
Carmel, Avon, Union, Owasso, Ayala, and Blue Springs has gone to SA, but not Broken Arrow. Things are not adding up. To their defense, it often falls on OBA or I think the first step of the Oklahoma All-State process (if I remember correctly). But I agree—the math ain’t mathing!!
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Post by bigtrombone on Sept 30, 2021 16:17:24 GMT -6
Slightly off topic: but when LD Bell came to Atlanta in 2015 that was amazing. Not only was it one of their best shows that decade but it was super fun to just increase the competitiveness that much more. I think Winston Churchill Westwood and a few others came from TX. That 2015 Atlanta Super Regional was a good one. Even though only 41 bands attended, 5 Texas Bands (LD Bell, Winston Churchill, Cypress Falls, Clements, & Westwood) chose this regional over San Antonio and all 5 made finals. Aside from them, there were a lot of other solid programs that made the trip down south including Centerville & Kettering Fairmont from Ohio, Grain Valley from Missouri, and Morton from Illinois. The only thing that I didn't really like about this regional was that this was during Wando's down year and they weren't as good as they were in 2014, obviously due to circumstances out of their control (i think there was a lot of flooding in South Carolina that year).
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Post by dee1991 on Sept 30, 2021 16:58:06 GMT -6
I have a question I’ve been pondering a long time and maybe some of you can help me with it. Why do some of these Oklahoma, Arkansas and Missouri programs NOT bring their kids to San Antonio?! I know Camdenton has several times, but that’s about it as far as I can remember. I absolutely understand that directors want their kids to have a great Super Regional experience, but I honestly don’t think they know that they could have an equally phenomenal experience in San Antonio and it would actually expose them to something different. Not different as in better or worse. Just DIFFERENT. I would think directors would actually want that for their programs every so often, and so I honestly am curious why they don’t venture south every 3-4 years or so. If I was running one of these NW Arkansas programs up here, I would totally take them to Texas for a Super Regional every so often! Make it a fun adventure for them. Do the Riverwalk and the Alamo. Take them to Six Flags even. It would be a wonderful trip and a great experience for these kids!!!! Oversimplified answer, because they stand a better chance at making finals at St. Louis. 😕 I don't believe this for a second. Most of the competitive bands in Oklahoma are in Tulsa, so St Louis is simply closer. Same with Arkansas.
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Post by LeanderMomma on Sept 30, 2021 18:36:38 GMT -6
I mean if it’s just about not wanting to drive that distance, why do so many bands travel so far to go to GN?
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Post by hewhowaits on Sept 30, 2021 18:46:01 GMT -6
I mean if it’s just about not wanting to drive that distance, why do so many bands travel so far to go to GN? Because the concept of competing at the national championship is more appealing to those less familiar with the activity than participating in a regional event. The name "Grand National Championship" means more to most people than the name "San Antonio Super-Regional Championship."
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Post by Allohak on Sept 30, 2021 19:08:16 GMT -6
I mean if it’s just about not wanting to drive that distance, why do so many bands travel so far to go to GN? Because the concept of competing at the national championship is more appealing to those less familiar with the activity than participating in a regional event. The name "Grand National Championship" means more to most people than the name "San Antonio Super-Regional Championship." Combined that for the vast majority of bands who would be legitimately competitive at one of these large events, aside from those within the borders of Texas, Indianapolis is closer than San Antonio. For those who are far enough away to require flying to either (Ayala, American Fork, etc), the draw of the name of "national" versus "super regional" may be the difference (or at least a significant contributing factor). Especially if you're having to raise funds for such a trip. Telling the school organization/donors you want to take the band to "nationals" opens eyes (and wallets) more than wanting to go to a "super regional" event. Even Tulsa is only about 100 miles closer to San Antonio than it is to Indianapolis (driving distance)
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Post by marimba11 on Sept 30, 2021 22:34:11 GMT -6
Slightly off topic: but when LD Bell came to Atlanta in 2015 that was amazing. Not only was it one of their best shows that decade but it was super fun to just increase the competitiveness that much more. I think Winston Churchill Westwood and a few others came from TX. That 2015 Atlanta Super Regional was a good one. Even though only 41 bands attended, 5 Texas Bands (LD Bell, Winston Churchill, Cypress Falls, Clements, & Westwood) chose this regional over San Antonio and all 5 made finals. Aside from them, there were a lot of other solid programs that made the trip down south including Centerville & Kettering Fairmont from Ohio, Grain Valley from Missouri, and Morton from Illinois. The only thing that I didn't really like about this regional was that this was during Wando's down year and they weren't as good as they were in 2014, obviously due to circumstances out of their control (i think there was a lot of flooding in South Carolina that year). I was there for it - it was an awesome show. Yes that was the 100 year flood in SC from Hurricane Jacquin and I believe another system. Matthew hurt wando in 2016 but not nearly as badly. Kettering Fairmont was GREAT they were my finals pick over Hillgrove. Panther Creek was also fantastic at this show. Many didn’t make finals. Harrison had a great finals run and Tarpon was of course on fire that year.
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Post by statechamp1239 on Oct 1, 2021 20:38:01 GMT -6
Something special’s going on out in Mustang this year. I’ve gotten to see their show and it looks really good and surprisingly clean for this point in the season. Saw their show and agree. It would be great if Mustang uses the same Velvet Knights 1992 shark ending.
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Post by bassoooon on Oct 3, 2021 10:28:14 GMT -6
Updated predictions based on 10/2 results: 1. BA (sweep) 2. Blue Springs 3. O'Fallon Township 4. Rosemount 5. Coppell 6. Camdenton 7. Bixby 8. Carroll 9. Prosper 10 Union 11. James Martin 12. Mustang 13. Fayetteville 14. Bentonville Bubble: Lincoln, BS South
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Post by ilikeguard on Oct 3, 2021 11:22:06 GMT -6
Updated predictions based on 10/2 results: 1. BA (sweep) 2. Blue Springs 3. O'Fallon Township 4. Rosemount 5. Coppell 6. Camdenton 7. Bixby 8. Carroll 9. Prosper 10 Union 11. James Martin 12. Mustang 13. Fayetteville 14. Bentonville Bubble: Lincoln, BS South Where do you have Grain Valley? I can absolutely see them in this mix after yesterday
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Post by bassoooon on Oct 3, 2021 11:32:53 GMT -6
Updated predictions based on 10/2 results: 1. BA (sweep) 2. Blue Springs 3. O'Fallon Township 4. Rosemount 5. Coppell 6. Camdenton 7. Bixby 8. Carroll 9. Prosper 10 Union 11. James Martin 12. Mustang 13. Fayetteville 14. Bentonville Bubble: Lincoln, BS South Where do you have Grain Valley? I can absolutely see them in this mix after yesterday Definitely in the mix, but I have no idea where. Certainly a triumphant performance yesterday, but the question is how much they can keep pushing after the excitement wears off. Quite possibly anywhere 7-20. If I had to pick one placement…12 maybe? Maybe 11? I can't see them quite keeping up with the likes of Bixby and Union, but they are in a really good spot.
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Post by nomorehoney on Oct 3, 2021 16:40:35 GMT -6
I'm gonna try my hand at some predictions
1. Broken Arrow, OK 2. Blue Springs, MO
3-4. O'Fallon Township, IL 3-4. Coppell, TX
5-7. Rosemount, MN 5-7. Bixby, OK 5-7. Prosper, TX
8-10. Camdenton, MO 8-10. Mustang, OK 8-10. Carroll, TX
11-14. Union, OK 11-14. Bentonville, AR 11-14. Grain Valley, MO 11-14. Fayetteville, AR ------------------------ 15-20. Lincoln, SD 15-20. Fort Zumwalt North, MO 15-20. Blue Springs South, MO 15-20. James Martin, TX 15-20. Nixa, MO 15-20. Blue Valley Southwest, KS
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Post by dee1991 on Oct 3, 2021 16:56:40 GMT -6
I mean if it’s just about not wanting to drive that distance, why do so many bands travel so far to go to GN? I'm choosing to believe it's distance. It would be sad to think a band director wouldn't let his students travel to different competitions simply for a fear of not making finals... I would hope that's never the case.
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Post by ilikeguard on Oct 3, 2021 17:29:25 GMT -6
I'm gonna try my hand at some predictions 1. Broken Arrow, OK 2. Blue Springs, MO 3-4. O'Fallon Township, IL 3-4. Coppell, TX 5-7. Rosemount, MN 5-7. Bixby, OK 5-7. Prosper, TX 8-10. Camdenton, MO 8-10. Mustang, OK 8-10. Carroll, TX 11-14. Union, OK 11-14. Bentonville, AR 11-14. Grain Valley, MO 11-14. Fayetteville, AR ------------------------ 15-20. Lincoln, SD 15-20. Fort Zumwalt North, MO 15-20. Blue Springs South, MO 15-20. James Martin, TX 15-20. Nixa, MO 15-20. Blue Valley Southwest, KS This is pretty much exactly what I’m thinking. You saved me a post!
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