It does make more sense... but I believe like many state circuits, school districts make enrollment in those almost a requirement. I believe the issue is they miss the Friday of school before.
Carmel did just fine skipping a year of ISSMA in Richard Saucedo's last season.
UIL is much different than ISSMA. It’s not just a music association it’s the every-event association. They hold cheerleading competitions, debate competitions, every single high school sport.
You can’t just skip UIL competitions, sure you can do what Claudia did in 2016 and not attend state/area finals but that was only after they explicitly received the administrations permission that they could do so.
It is incredibly difficult to just skip UIL. UIL governs so much of Texas after-school activities and to keep good standing districts will actively mandate programs attend any UIL competitions necessary.
UIL is king in Texas, sure you have other alternative organizations for individual events but even with those outside organizations UIL attendance is still mandatory.
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It does make more sense... but I believe like many state circuits, school districts make enrollment in those almost a requirement. I believe the issue is they miss the Friday of school before.
Carmel did just fine skipping a year of ISSMA in Richard Saucedo's last season.
Oh yes, they’re many instances of schools doing fine without them. Wando for example alternates on the years they don’t go to Grand Nationals.
What I was saying was many school districts make supporting the state circuits a requirement - at least at some point (on rotation or every year / whatever)
Carmel did just fine skipping a year of ISSMA in Richard Saucedo's last season.
Oh yes, they’re many instances of schools doing fine without them. Wando for example alternates on the years they don’t go to Grand Nationals.
What I was saying was many school districts make supporting the state circuits a requirement - at least at some point (on rotation or every year / whatever)
Bands don’t need their states organizations to do alright at nationals. It’s simply a matter of being forced to go to those states organizations contests. Wando does great things regardless if they go or not.
Oh yes, they’re many instances of schools doing fine without them. Wando for example alternates on the years they don’t go to Grand Nationals.
What I was saying was many school districts make supporting the state circuits a requirement - at least at some point (on rotation or every year / whatever)
Bands don’t need their states organizations to do alright at nationals. It’s simply a matter of being forced to go to those states organizations contests. Wando does great things regardless if they go or not.
Bands don’t need their states organizations to do alright at nationals. It’s simply a matter of being forced to go to those states organizations contests. Wando does great things regardless if they go or not.
Was anyone arguing otherwise LOL
No but I wanted to take the chance praise to Wando I don’t think they get enough for how quality they are. Haha
Carmel did just fine skipping a year of ISSMA in Richard Saucedo's last season.
UIL is much different than ISSMA. It’s not just a music association it’s the every-event association. They hold cheerleading competitions, debate competitions, every single high school sport.
You can’t just skip UIL competitions, sure you can do what Claudia did in 2016 and not attend state/area finals but that was only after they explicitly received the administrations permission that they could do so.
It is incredibly difficult to just skip UIL. UIL governs so much of Texas after-school activities and to keep good standing districts will actively mandate programs attend any UIL competitions necessary.
UIL is king in Texas, sure you have other alternative organizations for individual events but even with those outside organizations UIL attendance is still mandatory.
This is where the issue lies.
Considering there is no state-run school association, and every locality has its own independent district, why is any given school beholden to an also-not-state-run circuit?
As a non-Texan, Texas appears to be very poorly organized when it comes to these things. And the way schools seem to bow to the whims of UIL is far from helpful.
UIL is much different than ISSMA. It’s not just a music association it’s the every-event association. They hold cheerleading competitions, debate competitions, every single high school sport.
You can’t just skip UIL competitions, sure you can do what Claudia did in 2016 and not attend state/area finals but that was only after they explicitly received the administrations permission that they could do so.
It is incredibly difficult to just skip UIL. UIL governs so much of Texas after-school activities and to keep good standing districts will actively mandate programs attend any UIL competitions necessary.
UIL is king in Texas, sure you have other alternative organizations for individual events but even with those outside organizations UIL attendance is still mandatory.
This is where the issue lies.
Considering there is no state-run school association, and every locality has its own independent district, why is any given school beholden to an also-not-state-run circuit?
As a non-Texan, Texas appears to be very poorly organized when it comes to these things. And the way schools seem to bow to the whims of UIL is far from helpful.
Considering there is no state-run school association, and every locality has its own independent district, why is any given school beholden to an also-not-state-run circuit?
As a non-Texan, Texas appears to be very poorly organized when it comes to these things. And the way schools seem to bow to the whims of UIL is far from helpful.
I think in Texas UIL is “king” for many different multiple reasons- but I don’t see it as an outside organization so much as an outsourced part of the school districts. The independent school districts do not want to spend their time organizing and figuring out ways to organize state competitions- so they have allowed it to be “outsourced” with UIL organizing it.
I honestly feel that we had the same “pressure” to attend the state events when we were in Oklahoma as we do in Texas. I think it’s all similar- the difference i see as a parent- is honestly- Texas is just massive and the logistics of state contests in Texas have unique problems that not many other states have. California I think does seperate northern and southern ca competitions I think?
Most of the sports/activities under the UIL umbrella don’t have additional competition circuits…. Marching band I think is one of the unique activities that does have choices in what to compete in- resulting in these quandaries over which competitions to attend and who should be making those choices.
I think in Texas UIL is “king” for many different multiple reasons- but I don’t see it as an outside organization so much as an outsourced part of the school districts. The independent school districts do not want to spend their time organizing and figuring out ways to organize state competitions- so they have allowed it to be “outsourced” with UIL organizing it.
I honestly feel that we had the same “pressure” to attend the state events when we were in Oklahoma as we do in Texas. I think it’s all similar- the difference i see as a parent- is honestly- Texas is just massive and the logistics of state contests in Texas have unique problems that not many other states have. California I think does seperate northern and southern ca competitions I think?
Most of the sports/activities under the UIL umbrella don’t have additional competition circuits…. Marching band I think is one of the unique activities that does have choices in what to compete in- resulting in these quandaries over which competitions to attend and who should be making those choices.
California doesn't have one unified band circuit, but five or six regional circuits with different rules, expectations, and judging requirements. * NCBA = Northern California Band Association holds competitions in the Sacramento, San Francisco Bay Area, and San Joaquin Valley regions. Does parade band reviews, concert, jazz, and field show competitions. About 150 bands participate in the band review portion and 100 in the field show portion. * PCJA = Pacific Coast Judging Association provides judges for a small number of competitions in fairly remote locations, like the central coast of California and the lower San Joaquin Valley. * MBOS = Marching Band Open Series was started as the band component of the WGASC (Winter Guard Association of Southern California), but weirdly has become the primary circuit for the Las Vegas area and I believe only holds Nevada competitions now. * CSBC = California State Band Championships is a circuit generally for novice/entry-level marching band programs or bands with limited resources. Competitions are held all over southern California, from San Diego to the High Desert (Victorville) all the way up to Bakersfield. About 150 bands participate. * SCSBOA = Southern California School Band and Orchestra Association is probably the largest single-state competition circuit outside of UIL. They also judge band reviews (about 110 bands participate over the course of the season) and run an enormous field show circuit: about 50 judged competitions (usually 5-6 every weekend) with over 300 participating bands every season. They are also probably most similar to UIL in that they are a music-first organization and the bar for visual achievement is set fairly low (compared to WBA or BOA) * WBA = Western Bands Association is the only state-wide competition circuit. They hold 3-4 competitions every weekend, usually 1 in NorCal, 1 in Central CA, and 1-2 in SoCal. The vast majority of California's best bands (and BOA competitors) participate in this circuit: Ayala, Chino Hills, Vista Murrieta, San Marcos SD, Clovis West, Homestead, James Logan. It is heavily DCI influenced (percussion and color guard are captions that contribute to the overall score) and is now run by Blue Devils Performing Arts.
I think in Texas UIL is “king” for many different multiple reasons- but I don’t see it as an outside organization so much as an outsourced part of the school districts. The independent school districts do not want to spend their time organizing and figuring out ways to organize state competitions- so they have allowed it to be “outsourced” with UIL organizing it.
I honestly feel that we had the same “pressure” to attend the state events when we were in Oklahoma as we do in Texas. I think it’s all similar- the difference i see as a parent- is honestly- Texas is just massive and the logistics of state contests in Texas have unique problems that not many other states have. California I think does seperate northern and southern ca competitions I think?
Most of the sports/activities under the UIL umbrella don’t have additional competition circuits…. Marching band I think is one of the unique activities that does have choices in what to compete in- resulting in these quandaries over which competitions to attend and who should be making those choices.
California doesn't have one unified band circuit, but five or six regional circuits with different rules, expectations, and judging requirements. * NCBA = Northern California Band Association holds competitions in the Sacramento, San Francisco Bay Area, and San Joaquin Valley regions. Does parade band reviews, concert, jazz, and field show competitions. About 150 bands participate in the band review portion and 100 in the field show portion. * PCJA = Pacific Coast Judging Association provides judges for a small number of competitions in fairly remote locations, like the central coast of California and the lower San Joaquin Valley. * MBOS = Marching Band Open Series was started as the band component of the WGASC (Winter Guard Association of Southern California), but weirdly has become the primary circuit for the Las Vegas area and I believe only holds Nevada competitions now. * CSBC = California State Band Championships is a circuit generally for novice/entry-level marching band programs or bands with limited resources. Competitions are held all over southern California, from San Diego to the High Desert (Victorville) all the way up to Bakersfield. About 150 bands participate. * SCSBOA = Southern California School Band and Orchestra Association is probably the largest single-state competition circuit outside of UIL. They also judge band reviews (about 110 bands participate over the course of the season) and run an enormous field show circuit: about 50 judged competitions (usually 5-6 every weekend) with over 300 participating bands every season. They are also probably most similar to UIL in that they are a music-first organization and the bar for visual achievement is set fairly low (compared to WBA or BOA) * WBA = Western Bands Association is the only state-wide competition circuit. They hold 3-4 competitions every weekend, usually 1 in NorCal, 1 in Central CA, and 1-2 in SoCal. The vast majority of California's best bands (and BOA competitors) participate in this circuit: Ayala, Chino Hills, Vista Murrieta, San Marcos SD, Clovis West, Homestead, James Logan. It is heavily DCI influenced (percussion and color guard are captions that contribute to the overall score) and is now run by Blue Devils Performing Arts.
Thanks! I enjoyed hearing the differences. (And wondering if the mods are gonna bump us from this thread being off topic on a tangent… lol!)
California doesn't have one unified band circuit, but five or six regional circuits with different rules, expectations, and judging requirements. * NCBA = Northern California Band Association holds competitions in the Sacramento, San Francisco Bay Area, and San Joaquin Valley regions. Does parade band reviews, concert, jazz, and field show competitions. About 150 bands participate in the band review portion and 100 in the field show portion. * PCJA = Pacific Coast Judging Association provides judges for a small number of competitions in fairly remote locations, like the central coast of California and the lower San Joaquin Valley. * MBOS = Marching Band Open Series was started as the band component of the WGASC (Winter Guard Association of Southern California), but weirdly has become the primary circuit for the Las Vegas area and I believe only holds Nevada competitions now. * CSBC = California State Band Championships is a circuit generally for novice/entry-level marching band programs or bands with limited resources. Competitions are held all over southern California, from San Diego to the High Desert (Victorville) all the way up to Bakersfield. About 150 bands participate. * SCSBOA = Southern California School Band and Orchestra Association is probably the largest single-state competition circuit outside of UIL. They also judge band reviews (about 110 bands participate over the course of the season) and run an enormous field show circuit: about 50 judged competitions (usually 5-6 every weekend) with over 300 participating bands every season. They are also probably most similar to UIL in that they are a music-first organization and the bar for visual achievement is set fairly low (compared to WBA or BOA) * WBA = Western Bands Association is the only state-wide competition circuit. They hold 3-4 competitions every weekend, usually 1 in NorCal, 1 in Central CA, and 1-2 in SoCal. The vast majority of California's best bands (and BOA competitors) participate in this circuit: Ayala, Chino Hills, Vista Murrieta, San Marcos SD, Clovis West, Homestead, James Logan. It is heavily DCI influenced (percussion and color guard are captions that contribute to the overall score) and is now run by Blue Devils Performing Arts.
Thanks! I enjoyed hearing the differences. (And wondering if the mods are gonna bump us from this thread being off topic on a tangent… lol!)
ISSMA has a sub-forum. UIL could have similar if need be.
I’m not sure what we should do. There is general UIL stuff we can discuss and then we have this rare upcoming fall where there will be two huge UIL weeks in November encompassing every class. There is a UIL topic already started but maybe a sub-forum might be a good idea too.
The BOA enrollment lists that I help to make are unofficial, and while I strive to be as accurate as I can with the information that I have and am given, anything “confirmed” should be taken with a grain of salt until official lists are released by Music for All.
It doesn’t appear so. Doing UIL Area the weekend of 10/30 and then State the week of 11/7.
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The BOA enrollment lists that I help to make are unofficial, and while I strive to be as accurate as I can with the information that I have and am given, anything “confirmed” should be taken with a grain of salt until official lists are released by Music for All.
Post by hewhowaits on Sept 9, 2021 20:04:37 GMT -6
The following bands on the lists are not included on the Director’s Checklist on MFA site as of September 9:
Juarez-Lincoln, TX Mansfield, TX
Note that there are five bands on published schedules and one on the list for GN that aren’t on the checklist either, so a band’s absence from the checklist is not a definite sign they aren’t participating.
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These are the three Texas programs given to us in the Director's Checklist as provided by hewhowaits
Hargrave is a large 4A school on the outskirts of Houston, don't know a lot about them but they will be competing in class AA and have a chance of placing depending on who else shows up.
Cuero, Hutto, and Veterans Memorial have all attended regionals before.
