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Post by trumpet300 on Oct 5, 2020 11:22:31 GMT -6
Music for all just announced a new poll where we can all vote for our favorite GN champions of each BOA era!
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Post by hewhowaits on Oct 6, 2020 7:42:45 GMT -6
Do you have a link?
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Post by Allohak on Oct 6, 2020 9:48:01 GMT -6
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Post by supersound on Oct 6, 2020 21:34:44 GMT -6
Tough choices.
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Post by supersound on Oct 6, 2020 22:07:11 GMT -6
I’ll be honest I’m pulling for Bell 2007.
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Post by hewhowaits on Oct 7, 2020 5:17:57 GMT -6
I’ll be honest I’m pulling for Bell 2007. That was my selection for the third "era." |
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Post by hewhowaits on Oct 7, 2020 5:19:09 GMT -6
I found one "era" to be an easy choice. The other two, not as easy but not over-the-top difficult. |
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Post by Allohak on Oct 7, 2020 5:43:49 GMT -6
2 were very easy, almost no-brainers for me
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Post by supersound on Oct 7, 2020 8:49:42 GMT -6
I had a couple of frontrunners for the second era. I’d say that was the toughest for me. I ended up going for my first choice.
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Post by dallasman on Oct 8, 2020 0:24:56 GMT -6
I picked Bell 07 even though it was not their best production. For Era 1, I picked Marian Catholic 1988. About as dominant a band and season as has existed in BOA History. Routed #2 Lake Park by 5 or 6 points at GN Finals. Thought about Rocky Mount '84, but couldn't pull the trigger.
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Post by boahistorybuff on Oct 8, 2020 7:58:54 GMT -6
They were all tough choices for me, especially group three. For Era 1, I was conflicted between Rocky Mount 84 and 86 and Marian Catholic 88 and 89. I went with Marian 89.
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Post by Allohak on Oct 8, 2020 8:57:50 GMT -6
Marian '88
PCEP '99
LDB '07
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Post by supersound on Oct 8, 2020 9:23:36 GMT -6
Enjoying this Bell ‘07 consensus. Hopefully it wins.
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Post by marimba11 on Oct 8, 2020 10:07:44 GMT -6
Enjoying this Bell ‘07 consensus. Hopefully it wins. Why bell 07? I like the show but it isn’t what I chose. I suppose it was significant turning point for show design - the back half being a slow ballad with little movement |
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Post by hewhowaits on Oct 8, 2020 10:09:58 GMT -6
Rocky Mount '86 - one of three options for me
Spring '93 - absolute no-brainer
LD Bell '07 - one of three options for me
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Post by Allohak on Oct 8, 2020 10:52:44 GMT -6
Enjoying this Bell ‘07 consensus. Hopefully it wins. Why bell 07? I like the show but it isn’t what I chose. I suppose it was significant turning point for show design - the back half being a slow ballad with little movement The show was an absolute spectacle live. A/V recordings just don't do it justice |
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Post by Allohak on Oct 8, 2020 10:54:01 GMT -6
Rocky Mount '86 - one of three options for me Spring '93 - absolute no-brainer LD Bell '07 - one of three options for me Era 2: 1. PCEP '99 2. Spring '93 Everyone else |
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Post by hewhowaits on Oct 8, 2020 12:31:44 GMT -6
Rocky Mount '86 - one of three options for me Spring '93 - absolute no-brainer LD Bell '07 - one of three options for me Era 2: 1. PCEP '99 2. Spring '93 Everyone else PCEP '99 wouldn't have been possible without the groundbreaking precedent of Spring '93. |
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Post by Allohak on Oct 8, 2020 18:29:07 GMT -6
Era 2: 1. PCEP '99 2. Spring '93 Everyone else PCEP '99 wouldn't have been possible without the groundbreaking precedent of Spring '93. While that may well be true, PCEP '99 is still the greatest show design of all time |
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Post by Subito Fortissimo on Oct 8, 2020 21:15:43 GMT -6
I chose Marian 89, PCEP 99 and Bell 07.
I do think the "eras" they chose are way too broad. At least the first two. There were massive changes in marching band from the late 70's to the late 80's. And to put early 90's shows that belong more in the same era as the 80's, in the same group as shows from 01-05 is not even like comparing apples to oranges. It's more like comparing apples to broccoli.
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Post by dallasman on Oct 9, 2020 15:32:44 GMT -6
Maybe the best show design, but they did not win sweep captions in finals. Someone else won visual in 1999. PCEP '99 wouldn't have been possible without the groundbreaking precedent of Spring '93. While that may well be true, PCEP '99 is still the greatest show design of all time |
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Post by boahistorybuff on Oct 9, 2020 21:46:00 GMT -6
Maybe the best show design, but they did not win sweep captions in finals. Someone else won visual in 1999. Marian took visual in 1999. No offense to Marian, but PCEP should have swept the highest achievement awards. The visual ensemble judge in finals gave them a score that was way too low. All other judges in finals had PCEP in 1st. In semi finals, the visual ensemble judge gave PCEP a 19.80 but the Visual ensemble judge in finals gave them an 18.4. No question in my mind that they should have got a higher score. |
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Post by dallasman on Oct 9, 2020 23:03:27 GMT -6
Well, PCEP finished 3rd in visual, behind Marian Catholic & Center Grove - barely above 6th overall place Lake Park. I think the show was one of the best ones of that decade, but I can't agree with it being the best, based on finishing 3rd in a caption in a top-heavy but otherwise weak finals. I mean Reeths Puffer made it in that year. Someone scored in the low 80s as a finalist. Nuts. True that there were major differences between the Ind & Ens Visual judges in finals, but that simply is not a dominant performance. It is a clear cut win, but many bands have had clear cut finals wins. To be fair, Spring HS in 1993 was edged out by Lake Park in visual. The difference is that Lake Park actually put on a national championship worthy show - far better than their 1996 title, which should have probably finished behind Marian and Center Grove that year. In fact, I believe that they did in 1996 semi-finals, when Marian placed 1st overall and CG 2nd. Spring 1993 changed the game musically. I can't say the same for PCEP 1999. I am quite surprised that no one has mentioned Lassiter 1998 thus far. Granted, they pretty much had two years to rehearse several aspects of that program, but musically that also knocks PCEP 1999 out of the water. I'd throw Marian 2000 in there as well for the full pkg. Not as dominant as PCEP 1999 or Spring 1993, but pretty much a wire to wire season of dominance for Bimm & co. Amazing that their 2000 title was their last overall one to-date. So many great shows over the years since. Maybe the best show design, but they did not win sweep captions in finals. Someone else won visual in 1999. Marian took visual in 1999. No offense to Marian, but PCEP should have swept the highest achievement awards. The visual ensemble judge in finals gave them a score that was way too low. All other judges in finals had PCEP in 1st. In semi finals, the visual ensemble judge gave PCEP a 19.80 but the Visual ensemble judge in finals gave them an 18.4. No question in my mind that they should have got a higher score. |
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Post by Allohak on Oct 10, 2020 7:19:57 GMT -6
I am quite surprised that no one has mentioned Lassiter 1998 thus far. Granted, they pretty much had two years to rehearse several aspects of that program, but musically that also knocks PCEP 1999 out of the water. I'd throw Marian 2000 in there as well for the full pkg. Not as dominant as PCEP 1999 or Spring 1993, but pretty much a wire to wire season of dominance for Bimm & co. Amazing that their 2000 title was their last overall one to-date. So many great shows over the years since. Lassiter '98 is absolutely a great listen, but not so sure I need to watch the visuals. And you're right about the 2-year thing...somewhat lessens it, for me. Also love Marian 2000. Probably my favorite MC show, actually. For me, though, the significance of Spring '93 and PCEP '99 are unmatched. That's not to say there weren't other great champions in that era. Lots of fantastic bands and shows. It was perhaps a bit unfair for me to say 1, 2, and everyone else |
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Post by marimba11 on Oct 10, 2020 7:42:24 GMT -6
I would have loved to see bell 07, I can imagine they really cleaned up and prepped for GN
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Post by supersound on Oct 11, 2020 9:46:22 GMT -6
I would have loved to see bell 07, I can imagine they really cleaned up and prepped for GN It was still evolving design wise too. They had a different ending for Grand National finals than they did for all of their other performances. |
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Post by supersound on Oct 11, 2020 9:50:32 GMT -6
They also voluntarily took a .1 penalty for their design in the prelims and semis of grand nationals as well. I think it was something to do with crossing one of the lines with their singer. I’m not too sure about it if anyone has more info.
Even with the .1 penalty they won prelims and finals.
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Post by Subito Fortissimo on Oct 11, 2020 19:42:58 GMT -6
They also voluntarily took a .1 penalty for their design in the prelims and semis of grand nationals as well. I think it was something to do with crossing one of the lines with their singer. I’m not too sure about it if anyone has more info. Even with the .1 penalty they won prelims and finals. It was for the singer, at least in semis. My memory may be a bit foggy after 13 years but I think the penalty in prelims was for something else. But in semis she climbed up on one of the DM podiums to sing, which was outside the performance area. According to my potentially incorrect memory she didn't do that in prelims. |
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Post by macwinlin on Oct 12, 2020 1:38:05 GMT -6
L.D. Bell 2007 Finals
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Post by supersound on Oct 13, 2020 11:00:44 GMT -6
They also voluntarily took a .1 penalty for their design in the prelims and semis of grand nationals as well. I think it was something to do with crossing one of the lines with their singer. I’m not too sure about it if anyone has more info. Even with the .1 penalty they won prelims and finals. It was for the singer, at least in semis. My memory may be a bit foggy after 13 years but I think the penalty in prelims was for something else. But in semis she climbed up on one of the DM podiums to sing, which was outside the performance area. According to my potentially incorrect memory she didn't do that in prelims. I think you’re right. I don’t think there’s footage of their prelims run anywhere on youtube but they do have the alternative second ending for their semis run in the finals video that was uploaded. To me it seems that in semis the girl in white crossed a performance boundary near the front while she was running. So it seems they had three progressive endings for every grand national performance. That speaks a lot on how well thought out the design was. Willingly taking .1 penalties to get your message across having three different endings. Then in finals still continuing your progressive endings while designing that one ending to not take a penalty since it’s finals night and that’s where you win the title. |
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