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Post by dbalash on Jan 27, 2021 11:51:57 GMT -6
In past years, the deadline to register for events and be included in the main random preliminary performance draw has been January 31. This year, that deadline is February 28. Expect the timing to see lists of registered bands to be delayed this year. |
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Post by hewhowaits on Jan 27, 2021 12:12:24 GMT -6
Another big add - one that can only help the activity as more students get the opportunity to observe the best of the best.
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Post by Subito Fortissimo on Jan 29, 2021 21:00:35 GMT -6
Another big add - one that can only help the activity as more students get the opportunity to observe the best of the best. This is interesting. A good thing! But also interesting. MFA is giving up a lot of ticket revenue by doing this, actually probably giving up most of their ticket revenue as performing students far outnumber parents and band staff. Makes me wonder if they've landed a big sponsor that is music education focused who is basically covering the revenue difference for them. |
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Post by Allohak on Jan 30, 2021 7:52:31 GMT -6
Another big add - one that can only help the activity as more students get the opportunity to observe the best of the best. This is interesting. A good thing! But also interesting. MFA is giving up a lot of ticket revenue by doing this, actually probably giving up most of their ticket revenue as performing students far outnumber parents and band staff. Makes me wonder if they've landed a big sponsor that is music education focused who is basically covering the revenue difference for them. IMO this is more impactful for smaller events. Perhaps the reduced potential cost of the day will allow for 25 bands at a regional instead of 15 (and thereby reduce risk of cancellation). The other major impact is semifinals at GN should be a packed house all day instead of just the last hour leading up to awards. |
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Post by jeremiah on Jan 30, 2021 15:08:41 GMT -6
It is actually a genius marketing strategy that will cost bands ~more~ money, while appearing to save lots of money. Previously bands received 20 day passes through the "cooperative program" which was typically priced upwards of $500 worth of tickets. At super regionals and grand nationals, the value of these tickets was $750+. This was always a selling point for BOA: the registration fee pays for itself with free tickets that can be sold to parents or could be used for additional volunteers and chaperones in excess of the allotted number of field passes.
However, cooperative tickets are no more in 2021, instead students get free admission. But regionals already offered free finals admission for all bands, and Grand National finals still requires student tickets, so the savings is only at super regional finals and grand national semifinals.
— At regional events, MFA is going to be making an extra $500 per band by stripping away the cooperative program tickets with no benefit or savings passed along to students or bands.
— For super regional finalists, MFA will be making an extra $750+ per band again by stripping away the cooperative program tickets with no benefit or savings passed along to students or bands.
— For super regional non-finalists, instead of that over $750 in free tickets, you will receive free tickets to finals for all of your participating students (previously these tickets were $5 a student). So unless you have more than 150 students, MFA will be making additional money off of you as well.
— For grand national finalist and semifinalist bands, MFA will be again be making $750 per band by discontinuing the cooperative program tickets with no benefit or savings passed along to students or bands.
— For grand national non-semifinalists, the savings from free admission for students might be enough to offset the loss of cooperative program tickets, but depends on the size of the band.
Plus, staying an extra day at super regionals or grand nationals means an extra night at the hotel that you are required to book through MFA, and for which MFA receives a kick back.
To run a little math, using attendance numbers from 2019, MFA will bring in an extra
$235,500 from the 471 bands competing in BOA regionals with no loss of revenue from finals tickets. (Plus the additional ticket revenue from parents of the 11th and 12 place bands that now advance to finals)
$31,500 from the 42 super regional finalists
$28,500 from the 38 national semifinalists
So the nearly $300k in additional revenue should be enough to offset the much smaller loss of $5 and $10 student tickets.
As ticket prices have creeped upwards, MFA has been slowly decreasing the number and value of cooperative tickets given to participating bands, so it makes sense that they would finally just cut them all together. And doing under the guise of a trade for free student tickets is a great way to do it.
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Post by jeremiah on Jan 30, 2021 15:11:57 GMT -6
This is a pretty normal timeline for MFA to release tentative performance times to performing ensembles, but I would be shocked if they released these publicly at that time. In past years, you theoretically could have known the entire Grand Nats schedule before list of performing bands were even released, but that would require contacting each band individually and finding out their performance time.
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Post by bandfan4 on Jan 30, 2021 20:16:21 GMT -6
Thanks for the math on the tickets Jeremiah. You are spot on regarding the cooperative tickets.
As a former booster president, we did use those tickets to sell to fellow parents, family members, fans of the program, etc. to offset the costs of the fees/trip.
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Post by Subito Fortissimo on Jan 30, 2021 21:10:10 GMT -6
Wow, thanks for the info Jeremiah. Makes a lot more sense now.
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Post by statechamp1239 on Apr 7, 2021 23:15:02 GMT -6
Bridge water - raritan won a regional before Do you remember which one? I knew they've come close but didn't realize they won one. marimba11 was probably talking about when BR HS won the 2010 BOA Prelims Towson Regional, but unfortunately they lost in finals to Westminster HS (MD) and Hickory HS (VA) and placed third. Here is the history of BRHS scores throughout every BOA Regional from 2019-2000 and other NJ schools who competed in BOA.
Bridgewater-Raritan High School
2019: (64 members)
10/05
Mid-Atlantic Regional, MD:
59.150 (21st place) Prelims
2018: (73 members)
10/20
Newark Regional, DE:
67.850 (17th place) Prelims
2017: (82 members)
10/07
Newark Regional, DE:
52.700 (25th place) Prelims
2016: (102 members)
10/15
Newark Regional, DE:
78.25 (6th place) Finals
78.90 (6th place) Prelims
2015: (112 members)
10/17
Newark Regional, DE:
72.70 (11th place) Prelims
*(2015 USBands Group VI Open Yamaha Cup Champion)*
2014: (134 members)
10/25
Newark Regional, DE:
70.75 (9th place) Finals
72.20 (9th place) Prelims
*(2014 USBands Group VI Open Yamaha Cup Champion)*
Indianapolis, IN:
Thursday-Friday Prelims Grand National Championships:
74.75: (27th place out of 47 bands) Friday Prelims
74.75: (52th place out of 92 bands) Overall Prelims
2013: (132 members)
Towson Regional, MD:
Lassiter HS, GA: 87.60 (1st place) Finals
85.75 (2nd place) Finals *Class AAAA Regional Champion*
80.40 (5th place) Prelims
*(2013 USBands Group VI Open Yamaha Cup Champion)*
2012: (152 members)
Didn't compete in any BOA Regional
My guess they didn't compete in the Towson Regional event because of Hurricane Sandy, but they did amazing in Grand National becoming the second NJ band to make Semi-Finals, and achieving the highest score/placement for any New Jersey band in Grand National Semi-Finals Championships History.
Indianapolis, IN:
Thursday-Friday Prelims Grand National Championships:
81.15: (17th place out of 43 bands) Thursday Prelims
81.15: (25th place out of 87 bands) Overall Prelims
Semi-Finals Grand National Championships:
82.65: (18th place out of 34 bands) Semi-Finals
*Receiving the Al Castronovo Esprit de Corps Award along with Avon High School (IN)*
*(2012 USSBA Group VI Open NJ States Champion)*
*(2012 USBands Group VI Open Yamaha Cup Champion)*
2011: (125 members)
North Huntingdon Regional, PA:
Norwin, PA: 76.20 (1st place) Final
73.95 (2nd place) Final *Class AAAA Regional Champion*
73.10 (2nd place) Prelims
Towson Regional, MD:
Kiski Area, PA: 83.10 (1st place) Final
Hickory, VA: 82.95 (2nd place) Final
80.80 (3rd place) Final *Class AAAA Regional Champion*
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78.25 (4th place) Prelims
*(2011 USBBA Group VI Open Yamaha Cup Champion)*
2010:
Towson Regional, MD:
Westminster, MD: 81.50 (1st place) Finals
Hickory, VA: 80.60 (2nd place) Finals
80.40 (3rd Place) Finals *Class AAAA Regional Champion*
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81.10 (1st place) Prelims *First NJ band to win BOA Prelims*
Grand Nationals, IN
Thursday-Friday Prelims Grand National Championships:
79.85: (19th place out of 42 bands) Friday Prelims
79.85: (35th place out of 85 bands) Overall Prelims
*(2010 USSBA Group VI Open NJ States Champion)*
2009:
Towson Regional, MD:
Westminster HS, MD: 75.20 (1st place) Finals
71.90 (2nd place) Finals *Class AAAA Regional Champion*
70.15 (5th place) Prelims
West Chester Regional, PA:
*Finals Rained Out*
80.80 (7th place) Prelims
2008:
Towson Regional, MD:
81.30 (4th place) Finals
81.25 (4th place) Prelims
Massillon Regional, OH:
68.05 (7th place) Finals
68.15 (8th place) Prelims
2007: (108 members)
Hempstead Regional, NY:
*Finals Rained Out*
82.35 (5th place) Prelims
Towson Regional, MD:
77.70 (7th place) Finals
77.40 (8th place) Prelims
2006:
Youngstown Regional, OH:
*Finals Rained Out*
75.55 (4th place) Prelims *Class AAA Regional Champion*
2005:
Didn't compete in any BOA Regional
*(2005 USSBA Group V Open NJ States Champion)*
2004:
St. Petersburg Regional, FL:
70.90 (13th place) Prelims
2003-2000:
Didn't compete in any BOA Regional
South Brunswick High School
2020-2010:
Didn't compete in any BOA Regional
*(2018-2019 USSBA Group VI Open NJ States Champion)*
*(2013-2016 USSBA Group VI Open NJ States Champion)*
*(2015-2019 USBands Group VI Open Yamaha Cup Champion)*
2009: (166 members)
West Chester Regional, PA:
81.70 (5th place) Prelims *Class AAAA Regional Champion*
Indianapolis, IN:
Thursday-Friday Prelims Grand National Championships:
83.40: (12th place out of 46 bands) Friday Prelims
83.40: (24th place out of 91 bands) Overall Prelims
Semi-Finals Grand National Championships:
77.95: (25th place out of 34 bands) Semi-Finals
*South Brunswick became the first NJ band make it to GN Semifinals in history*
2008: (168 members)
Didn't compete in any BOA Regional
2007:
Hempstead Regional, NY:
*Finals Rained Out*
Lassiter, GA: 90.65 (1st place) Prelims
83.80 (2nd place) Prelims
2006: (206 members)
Towson Regional, MD:
70.90 (13th place) Prelims
2005: (237 members)
Indianapolis, IN
Thursday-Friday Prelims Grand National Championships:
74.80: (26th place out of 46 bands) Friday Prelims
74.80: (45th place out of 92 bands) Overall Prelims
Towson Regional, MD:
*Cancelled Due to Weather*
2004:
Piscataway Regional, NJ:
74.20 (6th place) Finals
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West Genesee, NY: 78.10 (1st place) Prelims
King Philip Regional, MA: 77.50 (2nd place) Prelims
77.30 (3rd place) Prelims
2003:
Bridgeport Regional, CT:
78.70 (5th place) Finals
76.95 (5th place) Prelims
2002: (185 members)
Hempstead Regional, NY:
75.25 (5th place) Finals
78.40 (4th place) Prelims
Indianapolis, IN:
Thursday-Friday Prelims Grand National Championships:
78.70: (18th place out of 44 bands) Thursday Prelims (-0.2)
78.70: (36th place out of 88 bands) Overall Prelims
2001-2000:
Didn't compete in any BOA Regional
Piscataway High School
2020-2005:
Didn't compete in any BOA Regional
*(2008 USBands Group VI Open Yamaha Cup Champion)*
2004: (156 members)
Piscataway Regional, NJ:
60.85 (18th place) Prelims
2003:
Bridgeport Regional, CT:
80.95 (4th place) Finals
78.65 (4th place) Prelims
2002: (163 members)
Hempstead Regional, NY:
North Penn HS, PA: 83.05 (1st place) Finals
81.90 (2nd place) Finals
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North Penn HS, PA: 83.00 (1st place) Prelims
Norwalk HS, CT: 82.90 (2nd place) Prelims
80.95 (3rd place) Prelims
2001-1999:
Didn't compete in any BOA Regional
1998:
Hempstead Regional, NY:
67.45 (10th place) Finals
73.45 (9th place) Prelims
1997:
Piscataway Regional, NJ:
*Finals Rained Out*
Norwin Sr. HS, PA: 80.30 (1st place) Prelims
North Penn HS, PA: 78.60 (2nd place) Prelims
75.60 (3rd place) Prelims
1996:
Bensalem Regional, PA:
Northwestern Lehigh HS, PA: 81.75 (1st place) Finals
79.75 (2nd place) Finals (-0.6) *Class AAA Regional Champion*
75.45 (4th place) Prelims (-1.3)
*(1996 USSBA Group V Open Nationals Champion)*
John P. Stevens High School
2019: (182 members)
10/05
Mid-Atlantic Regional, MD:
70.350: (9th place) Finals
69.650: (10th place) Prelims
2018: (180 members)
10/20
Mid-Atlantic Regional, DE:
Norwin, PA: 78.650 (1st place) Finals
78.350 (2nd place) Finals *Class AAAA Regional Champion*
76.050 (4th place) Prelims
2017: (185 members)
10/07
Didn't compete in any BOA Regional
*(2017 USBands Group VI Open NJ States Champion)*
2016: (171 members)
10/15
Newark Regional, DE:
74.60 (12th place) Prelims
2015: (169 members)
10/17
Newark Regional, DE:
70.95 (17th place) Prelims
2014: (156 members)
10/25
Newark Regional, DE:
66.10 (17th place) Prelims
2013-2008:
Didn't compete in any BOA Regional
2007: (133 members)
Hempstead Regional, NY:
*Finals Rained Out*
68.65 (13th place) Prelims
2006-2000:
Didn't compete in any BOA Regional
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2nd place:
Bridgewater-Raritan High School: '13 and '11(PA) and '09
John P. Steven High School: '18
South Brunswick High School: '07
Piscataway High School: '02 and '96
3rd place:
Bridgewater-Raritan High School: '11(MD) and '10
John P. Steven High School: -
South Brunswick High School: -
Piscataway High School: '97
Roxbury High School: '09
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Post by yayband914 on Apr 13, 2021 20:55:43 GMT -6
I spoke with a friend today who is good friends with someone who works with BOA event scheduling/organizing, and this person said regional lists should be out "within the next couple of weeks." I'd imagine it'll be soon after WGI Virtual Finals. Probably the last week of April.
Obviously, take that with a grain of salt, but I thought I would share anyway. It’s been around mid-May the last couple of years so it may end up being that, too.
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Post by thewho on Apr 27, 2021 9:41:24 GMT -6
Update on the schedule: We won't be hearing who's attending where for a (long) while. BOA is currently working with schools through each district's Covid procedures to get a firm answer on attendance. We'll be looking sometime around mid-summer before the lists come out.
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Post by Samuel Culper on Apr 27, 2021 10:04:01 GMT -6
Update on the schedule: We won't be hearing who's attending where for a (long) while. BOA is currently working with schools through each district's Covid procedures to get a firm answer on attendance. We'll be looking sometime around mid-summer before the lists come out. Booo!!!!!! |
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Post by yayband914 on Apr 27, 2021 10:59:09 GMT -6
Update on the schedule: We won't be hearing who's attending where for a (long) while. BOA is currently working with schools through each district's Covid procedures to get a firm answer on attendance. We'll be looking sometime around mid-summer before the lists come out. Daaaaaang... Oh, well. The calendar stalking continues 😈 |
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Post by paddy on Apr 27, 2021 13:53:35 GMT -6
Update on the schedule: We won't be hearing who's attending where for a (long) while. BOA is currently working with schools through each district's Covid procedures to get a firm answer on attendance. We'll be looking sometime around mid-summer before the lists come out. It is a bizarre mishmash of protocols in schools today. Not just from state to state, but also within states. At one point within a 20 mile radius in Central Indiana you had kids in school full time, hybrid and virtually depending on age and district. |
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Post by gregorydf on Aug 16, 2021 15:18:53 GMT -6
Noticed the BOA tickets are on sale today but still no lists. I got my BOA Austin Tickets already, can't wait!!!
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Post by yayband914 on Aug 16, 2021 15:47:06 GMT -6
Noticed the BOA tickets are on sale today but still no lists. I got my BOA Austin Tickets already, can't wait!!! I’m starting to think they won’t release all of the lists at once. Rather, they’ll just stagger-release the schedules 2-3 weeks before each regional, mirroring when the fall packets for directors are usually released. Hope I’m wrong, but it’s a thought. |
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Post by Allohak on Aug 16, 2021 17:30:52 GMT -6
Noticed the BOA tickets are on sale today but still no lists. I got my BOA Austin Tickets already, can't wait!!! I’m starting to think they won’t release all of the lists at once. Rather, they’ll just stagger-release the schedules 2-3 weeks before each regional, mirroring when the fall packets for directors are usually released. Hope I’m wrong, but it’s a thought. Been thinking and saying the same for a while. I don't expect to see attendance lists at all |
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Post by LeanderMomma Fan on Aug 20, 2021 9:13:32 GMT -6
Lists are out everyone!!
Apparently only given to directors but lists and prelims schedules are out for at least the first few regionals.
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Post by LeanderMomma on Aug 20, 2021 9:45:55 GMT -6
Lists are out everyone!! Apparently only given to directors but lists and prelims schedules are out for at least the first few regionals. 👀 👀 |
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Post by Allohak on Aug 20, 2021 9:50:41 GMT -6
Lists are out everyone!! Apparently only given to directors but lists and prelims schedules are out for at least the first few regionals. Directors always get this info ahead of their event, so no surprise there |
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Post by supersound on Aug 24, 2021 23:44:00 GMT -6
Lists are out everyone!! Apparently only given to directors but lists and prelims schedules are out for at least the first few regionals. Directors always get this info ahead of their event, so no surprise there This just means that information can be leaked now which is always fun |
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Post by dbalash on Aug 26, 2021 7:50:55 GMT -6
I love how the BOA Facebook page says from yesterday
Uh, they're still not posted there. Nice try though!
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Post by LeanderMomma on Aug 26, 2021 12:32:38 GMT -6
I love how the BOA Facebook page says from yesterday Uh, they're still not posted there. Nice try though! Same with their Instagram posts. 🤷🏻♀️ |
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Post by hewhowaits on Aug 26, 2021 12:43:36 GMT -6
Social media - the modern version of the rumor mill. Lots of words, little content of value |
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Post by Marching Observer on Aug 26, 2021 13:50:05 GMT -6
Social media - the modern version of the rumor mill. Lots of words, little content of value We are clearly still going old school with the rumor mill via forum posts 😂 |
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Post by Subito Fortissimo on Aug 26, 2021 20:27:28 GMT -6
Social media - the modern version of the rumor mill. Lots of words, little content of value We are clearly still going old school with the rumor mill via forum posts 😂 Let's set up an AIM group chat to argue about our predictions. |
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Post by yayband914 on Aug 26, 2021 20:34:01 GMT -6
We are clearly still going old school with the rumor mill via forum posts 😂 Let's set up an AIM group chat to argue about our predictions. AIM is a little too new-school for me. Much prefer AOL. |
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Post by yayband914 on Aug 26, 2021 20:34:50 GMT -6
We are clearly still going old school with the rumor mill via forum posts 😂 Let's set up an AIM group chat to argue about our predictions. Also I just noticed your signature regarding Vandy, and I just… thank you. THANK YOU!!! Look at it, everyone. LOOK AT IT!!! |
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Post by dbalash on Aug 26, 2021 20:38:36 GMT -6
We are clearly still going old school with the rumor mill via forum posts 😂 Let's set up an AIM group chat to argue about our predictions. And now I feel like this...  |
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Post by Subito Fortissimo on Aug 26, 2021 20:38:50 GMT -6
Let's set up an AIM group chat to argue about our predictions. Also I just noticed your signature regarding Vandy, and I just… thank you. THANK YOU!!! Look at it, everyone. LOOK AT IT!!! No, THANK YOU!!!  |
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