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Post by paddy on Sept 17, 2021 8:06:00 GMT -6
And look, Texas is related to 8 hours max practice time outside of school so if they can be great with those restrictions, no reason why Homestead can't be too. Far to early to cry sky is falling. 🙃 It is good to know, as Alex pointed out, that they did add that extra time into the other practices. Honestly, at least on the surface, having a day to recoup can definitely be a good thing and avoid burnout too. Sadly, I didn't see Mr. Barber at LC. That 8 hour thing is a farce once you realize that band during the day in Texas is usually marching band and not concert band like many other places. A Texas band parent once broke down their practice hours and it is terribly different than many other places.
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Sept 17, 2021 8:17:58 GMT -6
And look, Texas is relegated to 8 hours max practice time outside of school so if they can be great with those restrictions, no reason why Homestead can't be too. Far to early to cry sky is falling. 🙃 It is good to know, as Alex pointed out, that they did add that extra time into the other practices. Honestly, at least on the surface, having a day to recoup can definitely be a good thing and avoid burnout too. Sadly, I didn't see Mr. Barber at LC. YEAH? WELL WHEN THEY LOSE TO FISHERS, CASTLE, AND BROWNSBURG AT STATE BECAUSE THEIR VISUAL PERFORMANCE SCORES ARE IN THE POOPER I'LL BE RIGHT HERE TO SAY I TOLD YOU SO!!!!!!!!
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Post by TeamIndiana on Sept 17, 2021 8:19:39 GMT -6
It is a very good show, and I'd not expect Mr. Barber to say anything else. He's a 100% class man. But you know he was internally looking at all that dirt thinking...DO IT AGAIN! I was once told by a very wise man that once you retire, walk away and stay away. More transitions are blown up by the people leaving not letting go than the people who followed them screwing it up. Oh he has let go, he was just there as a fan watching some great Indiana marching! Mr. Barber has nothing to do with the band other than the great legacy he has left behind.
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Post by TeamIndiana on Sept 17, 2021 8:20:34 GMT -6
And look, Texas is relegated to 8 hours max practice time outside of school so if they can be great with those restrictions, no reason why Homestead can't be too. Far to early to cry sky is falling. 🙃 It is good to know, as Alex pointed out, that they did add that extra time into the other practices. Honestly, at least on the surface, having a day to recoup can definitely be a good thing and avoid burnout too. Sadly, I didn't see Mr. Barber at LC. YEAH? WELL WHEN THEY LOSE TO FISHERS, CASTLE, AND BROWNSBURG AT STATE BECAUSE THEIR VISUAL PERFORMANCE SCORES ARE IN THE POOPER I'LL BE RIGHT HERE TO SAY I TOLD YOU SO!!!!!!!! Hey their visual scores were actually pretty good last weekend, only a tenth behind Avon. The music scores on the other hand...
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Post by paddy on Sept 17, 2021 8:26:02 GMT -6
I was once told by a very wise man that once you retire, walk away and stay away. More transitions are blown up by the people leaving not letting go than the people who followed them screwing it up. Oh he has let go, he was just there as a fan watching some great Indiana marching! Mr. Barber has nothing to do with the band other than the great legacy he has left behind. Not that simple. Another really great Indiana band is on their 2nd new director in 3 years because the weight of tradition and past directors.
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Sept 17, 2021 8:30:04 GMT -6
Oh he has let go, he was just there as a fan watching some great Indiana marching! Mr. Barber has nothing to do with the band other than the great legacy he has left behind. Not that simple. Another really great Indiana band is on their 2nd new director in 3 years because the weight of tradition and past directors. I think Homestead handled things pretty well. The Barber to Wadkins transition was seamless, and Wadkins bringing Warfield in before he left helped with that transition. There was never a complete change from one regime to another.
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Post by Marching Observer on Sept 17, 2021 8:41:41 GMT -6
And look, Texas is relegated to 8 hours max practice time outside of school so if they can be great with those restrictions, no reason why Homestead can't be too. Far to early to cry sky is falling. 🙃 It is good to know, as Alex pointed out, that they did add that extra time into the other practices. Honestly, at least on the surface, having a day to recoup can definitely be a good thing and avoid burnout too. Sadly, I didn't see Mr. Barber at LC. YEAH? WELL WHEN THEY LOSE TO FISHERS, CASTLE, AND BROWNSBURG AT STATE BECAUSE THEIR VISUAL PERFORMANCE SCORES ARE IN THE POOPER I'LL BE RIGHT HERE TO SAY I TOLD YOU SO!!!!!!!! So aggressive! I do can LOUD NOISES TOO 😂 But really, we need bands like Fishers, Castle, and Brownsburg to be good to help keep pushing bands to be better. That's what originally made this state so great in marching band. And I feel like we've lost a lot of that. I'm hoping we are seeing a swing back into the positive though. I said this in another post before. I'm getting too old to care about placements. As long as I'm entertained and an absolute travesty of a placement doesn't occur, them I'll be happy. I'll be more happy of course if my band does well naturally. But they are putting out a highly entertaining show already. The bits and pieces are pretty much all in place and I have no reason to think they can't clean it. Now, if they don't improve past this point, well, that is when there will be cause for worry for the future of what the program will be able to do.
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Post by TeamIndiana on Sept 17, 2021 8:47:23 GMT -6
Oh he has let go, he was just there as a fan watching some great Indiana marching! Mr. Barber has nothing to do with the band other than the great legacy he has left behind. Not that simple. Another really great Indiana band is on their 2nd new director in 3 years because the weight of tradition and past directors. To each their own. The Barber transition happened in 2016 and none of the students in the band now were ever his students at the high school. Mr. Barber being at the show will cause zero impact.
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Post by Marching Observer on Sept 17, 2021 8:49:19 GMT -6
Not that simple. Another really great Indiana band is on their 2nd new director in 3 years because the weight of tradition and past directors. I think Homestead handled things pretty well. The Barber to Wadkins transition was seamless, and Wadkins bringing Warfield in before he left helped with that transition. There was never a complete change from one regime to another. Adding to that, Barber came and helped the band out the year after he retired. Obviously in a very diminished capacity but it helped smooth out that transition and introduce Warfield to the program. Then last year, we obviously had the pandemic but Warfield was able to add not one, but two assistant directors. Directors that had previous experience as successful head band directors themselves. Homestead I think really needed to add a third director at some point. Look at pretty much any of the state programs at finals and 95% of the time, every band had at least three except them.
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Post by thewho on Sept 17, 2021 9:16:11 GMT -6
Oh he has let go, he was just there as a fan watching some great Indiana marching! Mr. Barber has nothing to do with the band other than the great legacy he has left behind. Not that simple. Another really great Indiana band is on their 2nd new director in 3 years because the weight of tradition and past directors. I've been told that the Greenwood administration as a whole is happy with Aylsworth's work so far this season in terms of logistics, education, and enthusiasm. It remains to be seen for the remainder of his time at Greenwood, but I have significantly higher confidence in Aylsworth's Greenwood potential than previously before. Homestead's situation and transition was the not the same as Greenwood. Warfield's been in the Homestead program for 5 years in a significant role. I'm surprised to hear Barber popping a vein, though,I would've imagined it would've been Wadkins instead.
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Sept 17, 2021 9:36:14 GMT -6
Not that simple. Another really great Indiana band is on their 2nd new director in 3 years because the weight of tradition and past directors. I'm surprised to hear Barber popping a vein, though,I would've imagined it would've been Wadkins instead. Wadkins looks in decent shape. I saw him two weekends in a row, once at the Black Dog Pub, and then the very next weekend at The Pub at 1802. (See a trend?) He seemed fairly trim, as if he'd dropped some weight. I didn't say anything to him as he's not the most approachable guy, but he looked pretty good. I'm not sure if he still follows the band or not.
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Post by Marching Observer on Sept 17, 2021 10:19:02 GMT -6
I'm surprised to hear Barber popping a vein, though,I would've imagined it would've been Wadkins instead. Wadkins looks in decent shape. I saw him two weekends in a row, once at the Black Dog Pub, and then the very next weekend at The Pub at 1802. (See a trend?) He seemed fairly trim, as if he'd dropped some weight. I didn't say anything to him as he's not the most approachable guy, but he looked pretty good. I'm not sure if he still follows the band or not. Funny you say that he's not the most approachable guy because he does come across as very intimidating that's for sure lol. But he is actually quite nice. And after working in band for so long I'm sure he keeps a passing interest in it and may look it results from time to time. I don't think you could work in this field for 20 plus years and then completely walk away without ever looking back a little. But everyone's different.
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Sept 17, 2021 10:55:07 GMT -6
Wadkins looks in decent shape. I saw him two weekends in a row, once at the Black Dog Pub, and then the very next weekend at The Pub at 1802. (See a trend?) He seemed fairly trim, as if he'd dropped some weight. I didn't say anything to him as he's not the most approachable guy, but he looked pretty good. I'm not sure if he still follows the band or not. Funny you say that he's not the most approachable guy because he does come across as very intimidating that's for sure lol. But he is actually quite nice. And after working in band for so long I'm sure he keeps a passing interest in it and may look it results from time to time. I don't think you could work in this field for 20 plus years and then completely walk away without ever looking back a little. But everyone's different. Yeah, I've talked to him at the past at band events and so forth and he is a nice guy, for sure, but he just doesn't seem the sort of guy that wants former band parents (think of how many people that would be) approaching him while he's out with his wife having drinks in the pub. "Yeah yeah, I remember, you had kids in my band. Bugger off now."
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Post by madhatter on Sept 18, 2021 13:18:32 GMT -6
And look, Texas is relegated to 8 hours max practice time outside of school so if they can be great with those restrictions, no reason why Homestead can't be too. Far to early to cry sky is falling. 🙃 It is good to know, as Alex pointed out, that they did add that extra time into the other practices. Honestly, at least on the surface, having a day to recoup can definitely be a good thing and avoid burnout too. Sadly, I didn't see Mr. Barber at LC. YEAH? WELL WHEN THEY LOSE TO FISHERS, CASTLE, AND BROWNSBURG AT STATE BECAUSE THEIR VISUAL PERFORMANCE SCORES ARE IN THE POOPER I'LL BE RIGHT HERE TO SAY I TOLD YOU SO!!!!!!!! I would suggest, with all respect to everyone, that it is entirely plausible any of those programs--particularly Castle--may end up on top of some scoring categories this year no matter how many hours of practice time Homestead allocates to their schedule. 😀 Everyone is working hard on their shows and so thankful for that this year!
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Sept 18, 2021 13:40:16 GMT -6
YEAH? WELL WHEN THEY LOSE TO FISHERS, CASTLE, AND BROWNSBURG AT STATE BECAUSE THEIR VISUAL PERFORMANCE SCORES ARE IN THE POOPER I'LL BE RIGHT HERE TO SAY I TOLD YOU SO!!!!!!!! I would suggest, with all respect to everyone, that it is entirely plausible any of those programs--particularly Castle--may end up on top of some scoring categories this year no matter how many hours of practice time Homestead allocates to their schedule. 😀 Everyone is working hard on their shows and so thankful for that this year! Well, that's why I added the specific caveat "because their visual scores are in the pooper." That is, because they just didn't get their show cleaned up. Of course any (or all) of those programs could simply be superior across the board. I've already been on record as saying that Fishers is past due to surpass Homestead. Perhaps this is the year. Sounds like Brownsburg is pretty special this year too.
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Post by thewho on Sept 18, 2021 14:03:04 GMT -6
Our Indy bubble bands have made significant leaps in improvement to the point of believing Castle, Brownsburg, Fishers, and Homestead are solidly in the fight for Finals. Not just being dark horses and sneaking in on a good day, they all have incredibly strong arguments for Finals. If it was 2017-2019, I feel they all would've been solidly in. Sadly, this is 2021...
For what it's worth, I think Homestead is the front-runner so far.
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Post by Marching Observer on Sept 18, 2021 14:30:08 GMT -6
For what it's worth, I think Homestead is the front-runner so far. I approve this message
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Post by sethb811 on Sept 18, 2021 17:26:20 GMT -6
Don't you guys ever argue about anything else?
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Sept 18, 2021 18:46:00 GMT -6
Don't you guys ever argue about anything else? He’s back.
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Post by sethb811 on Sept 18, 2021 18:59:57 GMT -6
Don't you guys ever argue about anything else? He’s back. Eh, I'm always lurking...just haven't had anything worth saying in almost two years...
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Post by bandaid on Sept 18, 2021 19:11:16 GMT -6
New Palestine Invitational Results:
Mid-States
Class A 1 Triton Central Marching Tigers 47.700 2 Wayne Marching Generals 42.100
Class AA 1 Bedford-North Lawrence Marching Stars 54.900 Overall Best Visual Overall Best Music Overall Champion
2 Shawe Memorial Band of Gold 50.700 3 Connersville Spartan Marching Band & Guard 46.600 4 Henryville Golden Band 41.100
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Sept 18, 2021 19:12:10 GMT -6
Eh, I'm always lurking...just haven't had anything worth saying in almost two years... To answer your question, I had a fairly heated argument this evening about whether soup alone can be a meal. I say no. Others disagreed. It got pretty ugly. While this doesn’t seem appropriate fodder for this board I’d be happy to fight anyone on the subject, if it’d help add a touch of variety.
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Post by bandaid on Sept 18, 2021 19:15:09 GMT -6
Bosse Band Bash Results:
Class A 1 Evansville Central Marching Band Best Color Guard Best Percussion Best Drum Major 2 Boonville Band of Gold 3 Reitz Memorial Tiger Band and Guard
Class AA 1 Evansville North Green Brigade Best Percussion Best Drum Major Best Color Guard 2 F.J. Reitz Mighty Marching Panthers People’s Choice 3 Evansville Harrison Warrior Command
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Post by bandaid on Sept 18, 2021 20:07:34 GMT -6
Evansville Harrison Invitational Results:
ISSMA Open Class
Class D 1 Mater Dei Marching Wildcats Best Percussion Best Drum Major(s) 2 Southridge Marching Raider Band Best Color Guard
3 Washington Golden Pride
Class C 1 Pride of Bosse 2 Evansville Central Marching Band Best Color Guard Best Drum Major(s) 3 Vincennes Lincoln Pride of the Green Best Percussion Class B1 Evansville North Green Brigade Best Color Guard Best Percussion 2 F.J. Reitz Mighty Marching Panthers Best Drum Major(s) People’s Choice Class A1 Castle Marching Knights Best Color Guard Best Drum Major(s) Best Percussion
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Post by starfire94 on Sept 18, 2021 22:29:52 GMT -6
Wadkins looks in decent shape. I saw him two weekends in a row, once at the Black Dog Pub, and then the very next weekend at The Pub at 1802. (See a trend?) He seemed fairly trim, as if he'd dropped some weight. I didn't say anything to him as he's not the most approachable guy, but he looked pretty good. I'm not sure if he still follows the band or not. Funny you say that he's not the most approachable guy because he does come across as very intimidating that's for sure lol. But he is actually quite nice. And after working in band for so long I'm sure he keeps a passing interest in it and may look it results from time to time. I don't think you could work in this field for 20 plus years and then completely walk away without ever looking back a little. But everyone's different. Having been in the Barber/Watkins regime Barber was always more approachable then Mr. Watkins. But they were both class acts and great directors, just different styles.
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Post by rabb2t on Sept 19, 2021 12:46:54 GMT -6
Anyone have any results from the Fishers Invitational?
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Sept 19, 2021 13:28:47 GMT -6
Anyone have any results from the Fishers Invitational? ISSMA Scholastic Class Class B 1 Tri-West Marching Blue Alliance 53.200 2 The Pride of Tri-County Marching Cavaliers 50.300 ISSMA Open Class Class D 1 Triton Central Marching Tigers 54.500 Class A 1 Avon Marching Black & Gold 76.050 2 Hamilton Southeastern Royal Command and Guard 65.000
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Post by bandaid on Sept 19, 2021 13:34:22 GMT -6
Speaking of the Fisher's Invitational they use the BOA judging system. Anyone have any results from the Fishers Invitational? ISSMA Scholastic Class Class B 1 Tri-West Marching Blue Alliance 53.200 2 The Pride of Tri-County Marching Cavaliers 50.300 ISSMA Open Class Class D 1 Triton Central Marching Tigers 54.500 Class A 1 Avon Marching Black & Gold 76.050 2 Hamilton Southeastern Royal Command and Guard 65.000
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Sept 19, 2021 13:37:18 GMT -6
Speaking of the Fisher's Invitational they use the BOA judging system. ISSMA Scholastic Class Class B 1 Tri-West Marching Blue Alliance 53.200 2 The Pride of Tri-County Marching Cavaliers 50.300 ISSMA Open Class Class D 1 Triton Central Marching Tigers 54.500 Class A 1 Avon Marching Black & Gold 76.050 2 Hamilton Southeastern Royal Command and Guard 65.000 Yes, they do. Though considering the lineup I'm not sure how much we're supposed to learn here. The interesting score to know would be Fishers in exhibition, and how it compared to Avon.
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Post by bandaid on Sept 19, 2021 13:39:50 GMT -6
Concord Invitational Results:
ISSMA Scholastic Class
Class B 1 Wawasee 43.100 Best Music Best Visual Best General Effect Class A1 Warsaw 53.000 Best Music Best Visual Best General Effect ISSMA Open Class
Class D 1 Fairfield Marching Pride 56.950 Best General Effect Best Music Best Visual 2 Spirit of Triton 48.450 3 LaVille Royal Regiment 46.800
Class C 1 NorthWood Red Regiment 64.600 Best General Effect Best Visual Best Music 2 Angola Marching Hornets 60.400 3 Jimtown Marching Jimmies 60.050 4 Knox Redskin Brigade 55.150
Class B 1 Northridge Raider Band 62.900 Best General Effect Best Music Best Visual 2 New Prairie Marching Cougars 58.450
Class A 1 Goshen Crimson Band 72.300 Best General Effect Best Music Best Visual 2 Penn High School Marching Kingsmen 69.450 3 Chesterton Trojan Guard 61.000 4 Elkhart High School Lions 57.150
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