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Post by yayband914 on Sept 23, 2019 10:53:07 GMT -6
As a new member of the forums, I would advise that you exercise great care and caution before you criticize a respected member of the community. The Hornrank forums are fairly new, but marimba11 has provided many significant contributions to the group during the time of the BOA/MFA forums.
To TWICE characterize an opinion (especially one that agreed with placement but disagreed with a scoring spread) as "uninformed" based on the fact that the holder of that opinion had "only" watched Castle in prelims is not the way to get YOUR opinions valued by the long-time posters. We don't always agree with each other (and frequently vehemently disagree) but still value the input of others who love the activity.
Didn’t realize Marimb11 was above criticism. So what is your definition of an informed opinion? If Admin wants to ban me for calling a person’s opinion who only takes in 50% of the information as “uninformed” that will be just fine. I don’t know of anyone who would classify an opinion formed on 50% of the information as “informed”. Maybe you all go through life differently than me or the people I associate with on a daily basis. Not for nothing but the only person who bashed any program was Marimb11 regarding Castles 2018 Program. Stooooooooop. It’s just baaaaaaaaand.
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Sept 23, 2019 11:01:36 GMT -6
As a new member of the forums, I would advise that you exercise great care and caution before you criticize a respected member of the community. The Hornrank forums are fairly new, but marimba11 has provided many significant contributions to the group during the time of the BOA/MFA forums.
To TWICE characterize an opinion (especially one that agreed with placement but disagreed with a scoring spread) as "uninformed" based on the fact that the holder of that opinion had "only" watched Castle in prelims is not the way to get YOUR opinions valued by the long-time posters. We don't always agree with each other (and frequently vehemently disagree) but still value the input of others who love the activity.
Didn’t realize Marimb11 was above criticism. So what is your definition of an informed opinion? If Admin wants to ban me for calling a person’s opinion who only takes in 50% of the information as “uninformed” that will be just fine. I don’t know of anyone who would classify an opinion formed on 50% of the information as “informed”. Maybe you all go through life differently than me or the people I associate with on a daily basis. Not for nothing but the only person who bashed any program was Marimb11 regarding Castles 2018 Program. First off, welcome to the forum. Second, I'm guessing from your username that you're associated with Castle. Just keep in mind that people here will talk about shows that they like, and yes, those that they may not care for. It's a forum for discussion, and we don't all agree on everything. No Marimba11 is not above criticism, but expressing an opinion that you don't care for isn't exactly cause for a beat down. Heck, if unpopular opinions warranted a beating I'd not be able to walk, or feed myself.
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Post by hewhowaits on Sept 23, 2019 11:09:49 GMT -6
Didn’t realize Marimb11 was above criticism. So what is your definition of an informed opinion? If Admin wants to ban me for calling a person’s opinion who only takes in 50% of the information as “uninformed” that will be just fine. I don’t know of anyone who would classify an opinion formed on 50% of the information as “informed”. Maybe you all go through life differently than me or the people I associate with on a daily basis. Not for nothing but the only person who bashed any program was Marimb11 regarding Castles 2018 Program. marimba11 is not above criticism - few, if any, here are. But an OPINION based on having viewed and listened to a performance is not uninformed. I did not watch any of the streams this weekend - if I expressed an opinion about the scoring (scores were too high, gaps were too small, band X should have won, etc.) THAT would be uninformed.
I would also hardly call the commentary by marimba11 on last year's program at Castle "bashing." This is where my OPINION of what was stated differs from your OPINION of what was stated. Many of us on the forums were less disappointed by product put on the field by Castle last year.
FWIW - your screen name makes it easy enough for those even remotely familiar with the schools involved in the discussion to assume which band is your favorite. Combining that with your comments solidifies what would have been an assumption to something relatively concrete. If you are a student in or parent of a student in said program, I hope Mr. Dean doesn't read your comments. (I see that my old nemesis OldSchoolTrumpet posted something similar while I was typing this message).
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Post by LeanderMomma on Sept 23, 2019 11:17:00 GMT -6
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Post by LeanderMomma on Sept 23, 2019 11:21:09 GMT -6
I hope someone gets that.
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Post by LeanderMomma on Sept 23, 2019 11:32:21 GMT -6
I for one, love Castle’s show this year. I’m very disappointed that they won’t be at GN this time around when we return in November. I don’t have an opinion on Homestead. I have not seen them yet. I was planning to watch on FloMarching last Saturday but I only caught Carmel. Didn’t really get it but they’ll be awesome I am sure. Unfortunately they ARE going to be at GN when we return. EDIT: I saw an illegally posted small video clip of Carmel yesterday and it was just BEAUTIFUL!!!!! I loved the girl in the white dress who played the french horn. That was so cool! I'm really looking forward to watching this show unfold throughout the season.
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Sept 23, 2019 11:33:30 GMT -6
I guess I would have been better off if I hid behind a generic handle. I also don’t think for a second Mr Dean is actually looking at this board never mind I said nothing that was factually wrong. Probably not. This forum is still under the radar. But I can tell you that staff and directors from some schools definitely monitored the old MFA board, and especially the old IM board. I know of a couple of schools who would definitely have reprimanded students (and yes, even parents) for even posting on forums like this.
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Post by hewhowaits on Sept 23, 2019 12:31:24 GMT -6
I guess I would have been better off if I hid behind a generic handle. I also don’t think for a second Mr Dean is actually looking at this board never mind I said nothing that was factually wrong. Probably not. This forum is still under the radar. But I can tell you that staff and directors from some schools definitely monitored the old MFA board, and especially the old IM board. I know of a couple of schools who would definitely have reprimanded students (and yes, even parents) for even posting on forums like this. I know programs that explicitly state to students and parents on an annual basis to not post on the forums and strongly suggest they not read them.
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Post by hewhowaits on Sept 23, 2019 12:48:02 GMT -6
Hahaha. I’m not trying to hide anything and again i don’t have a problem with opinions. I have a problem with opinion’s criticizing a actual Numbered Score and the person criticizing the score didn’t see the performance. Again my question to you is how is that not a valid criticism of the post? I guess I would have been better off if I hid behind a generic handle. I also don’t think for a second Mr Dean is actually looking at this board never mind I said nothing that was factually wrong. Pointing out that Castle's finals performance was significantly improved over prelims or that North Hardin appeared to have a rougher run in finals, thus explaining the gap, would have been a valid criticism of the post. Calling an opinion "uninformed" because the poster didn't watch what IN YOUR OPINION was a sufficient number of performances is not. None of use are hiding behind our screen names - stick around a while and you'll know which schools most of us are now or were affiliated with in the past.
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Post by LeanderMomma on Sept 23, 2019 12:56:27 GMT -6
Not me. I’m totally incognito.
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Post by twhsalumniparent on Sept 23, 2019 13:28:45 GMT -6
Not me. I’m totally incognito. Yep, and the photo is absolutely a deep fake.
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Post by hewhowaits on Sept 23, 2019 13:37:55 GMT -6
Not me. I’m totally incognito. Yep, and the photo is absolutely a deep fake. LeanderMomma is an account jointly owned by a 12-year old boy in Vermont and his 96-year old great-grandfather in Wyoming.
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Sept 23, 2019 13:39:46 GMT -6
Not me. I’m totally incognito. Yep, and the photo is absolutely a deep fake. A little sleuthing uncoverd her actual photo....
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Post by LeanderMomma on Sept 23, 2019 13:39:51 GMT -6
Not me. I’m totally incognito. Yep, and the photo is absolutely a deep fake. HEY! Who you calling fake?!
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Post by LeanderMomma on Sept 23, 2019 13:40:34 GMT -6
Yep, and the photo is absolutely a deep fake. A little sleuthing uncoverd her actual photo.... Where’s the ROTFLMBO emoji?
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Post by LeanderMomma on Sept 23, 2019 13:42:48 GMT -6
Yep, and the photo is absolutely a deep fake. LeanderMomma is an account jointly owned by a 12-year old boy in Vermont and his 96-year old great-grandfather in Wyoming. Dang. I’ve been outed.
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Post by LeanderMomma on Sept 23, 2019 13:48:12 GMT -6
All joking aside ( OldSchoolTrumpet you’re going to scare the children ), I just saw a clip of Carmel on boamoments Instagram. It was beautiful. Truly.
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Post by cornet on Sept 23, 2019 16:51:27 GMT -6
As a new member of the forums, I would advise that you exercise great care and caution before you criticize a respected member of the community. The Hornrank forums are fairly new, but marimba11 has provided many significant contributions to the group during the time of the BOA/MFA forums.
To TWICE characterize an opinion (especially one that agreed with placement but disagreed with a scoring spread) as "uninformed" based on the fact that the holder of that opinion had "only" watched Castle in prelims is not the way to get YOUR opinions valued by the long-time posters. We don't always agree with each other (and frequently vehemently disagree) but still value the input of others who love the activity.
Didn’t realize Marimb11 was above criticism. So what is your definition of an informed opinion? If Admin wants to ban me for calling a person’s opinion who only takes in 50% of the information as “uninformed” that will be just fine. I don’t know of anyone who would classify an opinion formed on 50% of the information as “informed”. Maybe you all go through life differently than me or the people I associate with on a daily basis. Not for nothing but the only person who bashed any program was Marimb11 regarding Castles 2018 Program. NO! Wrong answer. This is where you say "my bad" or something similar and move on. There's no upside dude.
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Post by cornet on Sept 23, 2019 17:00:49 GMT -6
It's just annoying to have to read thru this stuff to find the actual discussion of band.
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Post by marimba11 on Sept 23, 2019 17:55:29 GMT -6
marimba11 is not above criticism - few, if any, here are. But an OPINION based on having viewed and listened to a performance is not uninformed. I did not watch any of the streams this weekend - if I expressed an opinion about the scoring (scores were too high, gaps were too small, band X should have won, etc.) THAT would be uninformed.
I would also hardly call the commentary by marimba11 on last year's program at Castle "bashing." This is where my OPINION of what was stated differs from your OPINION of what was stated. Many of us on the forums were less disappointed by product put on the field by Castle last year.
FWIW - your screen name makes it easy enough for those even remotely familiar with the schools involved in the discussion to assume which band is your favorite. Combining that with your comments solidifies what would have been an assumption to something relatively concrete. If you are a student in or parent of a student in said program, I hope Mr. Dean doesn't read your comments. (I see that my old nemesis OldSchoolTrumpet posted something similar while I was typing this message).
Hahaha. I’m not trying to hide anything and again i don’t have a problem with opinions. I have a problem with opinion’s criticizing a actual Numbered Score and the person criticizing the score didn’t see the performance. Again my question to you is how is that not a valid criticism of the post? I guess I would have been better off if I hid behind a generic handle. I also don’t think for a second Mr Dean is actually looking at this board never mind I said nothing that was factually wrong. “Unwatchable” doesn’t mean that the show was actually unwatchable. I am using it as an exaggerated descriptor. Yes that was a fine playing band but the show was not up to par of their last two productions by quite a bit. I would also describe Phantom Regiment 2018 as “unwatchable.” Just to be clear I’m talking about show design, not performance specifically here. But please don’t take offense to anything I say. What makes this public forum interesting is our opinions! If we cannot say them with confidence then we have nothing. I would recommend high schoolers maybe not to read the forums during their season as they cannot often control their shows or talent and it can become frustrating- trust me I’ve been there. Band is like art everyone has opinions, but only the individual viewer can make the final call. And honestly who is to say whose preferred marching band aesthetic judgement is superior?? Today’s outrage might be tomorrow’s heritage.
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Post by cornet on Sept 23, 2019 18:42:32 GMT -6
Omg I mildly critiqued Norwin a few years back on mfs and the Director (or assistant) made an account just to set me straight. That was different.
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Post by marimba11 on Sept 23, 2019 18:48:32 GMT -6
Omg I mildly critiqued Norwin a few years back on mfs and the Director (or assistant) made an account just to set me straight. That was different. I do remember that lol
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Post by supersound on Sept 23, 2019 22:13:32 GMT -6
Omg I mildly critiqued Norwin a few years back on mfs and the Director (or assistant) made an account just to set me straight. That was different. Must’ve caught you off guard I know I would’ve been! It’s the type of thing you wouldn’t expect to happen but it did
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Post by TeamIndiana on Sept 24, 2019 8:57:50 GMT -6
I literally read this in Tamra's screaming voice!
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Post by LeanderMomma on Sept 24, 2019 9:21:04 GMT -6
I literally read this in Tamra's screaming voice! YES!!! You must!!!
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Post by dallasman on Sept 24, 2019 9:46:49 GMT -6
Hahaha I like castle, but I think I like homestead better this season. I did see castle in prelims You like Homestead, that’s great. My comment wasn’t a criticism of you liking Homestead my criticism is you wanting to downgrade a band’s score with only seeing half of the body of work being scored. Thank you for confirming your’s as an uninformed opinion. ====== If a band chooses to compete and doesn't present their entire show, it's that band's responsibility to deal with any of the negatives associated with an incomplete program. I find it hilarious that you are calling people uninformed and ENCOURAGE you to continue to fire away!! Otherwise, this place would be incredibly BORING! Castle is good but they have rarely matched Homestead. An incomplete show doesn't change that.
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Post by yayband914 on Sept 24, 2019 9:52:58 GMT -6
You like Homestead, that’s great. My comment wasn’t a criticism of you liking Homestead my criticism is you wanting to downgrade a band’s score with only seeing half of the body of work being scored. Thank you for confirming your’s as an uninformed opinion. ====== If a band chooses to compete and doesn't present their entire show, it's that band's responsibility to deal with any of the negatives associated with an incomplete program. I find it hilarious that you are calling people uninformed and ENCOURAGE you to continue to fire away!! Otherwise, this place would be incredibly BORING! Castle is good but they have rarely matched Homestead. An incomplete show doesn't change that. Why are we encouraging that? As someone else said, it gets incredibly annoying to have to sift through comments that don’t pertain to what this forum was made for. Educated arguments and discourse are perfectly fine, of course, but petty drama, particularly combativeness with young students, is not something everyone wants to see. Some people just want to come here for information and analyses. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Post by dallasman on Sept 24, 2019 12:39:36 GMT -6
====== If a band chooses to compete and doesn't present their entire show, it's that band's responsibility to deal with any of the negatives associated with an incomplete program. I find it hilarious that you are calling people uninformed and ENCOURAGE you to continue to fire away!! Otherwise, this place would be incredibly BORING! Castle is good but they have rarely matched Homestead. An incomplete show doesn't change that. Why are we encouraging that? As someone else said, it gets incredibly annoying to have to sift through comments that don’t pertain to what this forum was made for. Educated arguments and discourse are perfectly fine, of course, but petty drama, particularly combativeness with young students, is not something everyone wants to see. Some people just want to come here for information and analyses. Nothing more, nothing less. ======
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Post by hewhowaits on Sept 24, 2019 13:04:42 GMT -6
You like Homestead, that’s great. My comment wasn’t a criticism of you liking Homestead my criticism is you wanting to downgrade a band’s score with only seeing half of the body of work being scored. Thank you for confirming your’s as an uninformed opinion. ====== If a band chooses to compete and doesn't present their entire show, it's that band's responsibility to deal with any of the negatives associated with an incomplete program. I find it hilarious that you are calling people uninformed and ENCOURAGE you to continue to fire away!! Otherwise, this place would be incredibly BORING! Castle is good but they have rarely matched Homestead. An incomplete show doesn't change that. Go back and read the thread dallasman. The comments by @knighttime were not about an incomplete show - they were directed at marimba11 for basing an opinion on "only" having seen Castle's prelims performance.
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Post by dallasman on Sept 24, 2019 13:39:11 GMT -6
My bad. I thought this had to do with an incomplete show. I still welcome ignorant band parents to the forum anytime. Most are comical.
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