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Post by verysaxy on Oct 23, 2021 22:10:25 GMT -6
This Ind. Mus. judge from prelims needs to find a new career because this one is not his strong suit š
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Post by bigtrombone on Oct 23, 2021 22:10:30 GMT -6
Mason and Castle tied for 3rd in prelims.
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Post by marimba11 on Oct 23, 2021 22:14:33 GMT -6
This Ind. Mus. judge from prelims needs to find a new career because this one is not his strong suit š
Lol what do you disagree on?
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Post by It's Just Band on Oct 23, 2021 22:14:42 GMT -6
Can anyone explain the 3 pt gap between mason and castle? I would like to know why Carmel & Avon are ALWAYS 5-6pts ahead of all Indiana bands? Size should not matter. Itās not because of band sizeā¦
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Post by ohbandie48 on Oct 23, 2021 22:19:55 GMT -6
Actual lol-ing.
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Post by trumpette123 on Oct 23, 2021 22:24:17 GMT -6
While we are here, Broken Arrow was robbed in 2012. šš¤ I loved me some itsy bitsy spider.
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Post by cp823 on Oct 23, 2021 22:26:35 GMT -6
While we are here, Broken Arrow was robbed in 2012. šš¤ I loved me some itsy bitsy spider. Not enough spiders to beat Carmelās that year
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Post by lowbrasslord on Oct 23, 2021 22:32:24 GMT -6
Can anyone explain the 3 pt gap between mason and castle? Pretty big gap in visual performance and visual GE. also decent size gap in music GE.Ā Interestingly enough they were tied for 3rd in Prelims. Castle was very tired their report time was 4 cst then had zero down time all day. They left it all on the field in prelims and they were clearly very tired during finals.
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Post by elsie on Oct 23, 2021 22:40:36 GMT -6
Is Castle doing Nationals this year? They didnāt in 2019 and that was so sad. Their show is so good this year.
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Post by brokenarrowmom6 on Oct 23, 2021 22:43:10 GMT -6
Pretty big gap in visual performance and visual GE. also decent size gap in music GE.Ā Interestingly enough they were tied for 3rd in Prelims. Castle was very tired their report time was 4 cst then had zero down time all day. They left it all on the field in prelims and they were clearly very tired during finals. ratio
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Post by jeremiah on Oct 23, 2021 22:43:34 GMT -6
This Ind. Mus. judge from prelims needs to find a new career because this one is not his strong suit š
haha, I love Jason Robb! It's pretty typical for individual music scores to vary from ensemble scores. That's the whole reason there are separate judges for the two captions.
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Post by dbalash on Oct 23, 2021 22:44:02 GMT -6
This Ind. Mus. judge from prelims needs to find a new career because this one is not his strong suit š
He's actually quite successful as the head DoB at Rouse and as program coordinator for the Madison Scouts.
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Post by paddy on Oct 23, 2021 22:53:28 GMT -6
This Ind. Mus. judge from prelims needs to find a new career because this one is not his strong suit š
haha, I love Jason Robb! It's pretty typical for individual music scores to vary from ensemble scores. That's the whole reason there are separate judges for the two captions. This is one place where I think ISSMA is on the right track minimizing Individual Music in the score sheet. Very difficult to get a good representative sample to judge off of.
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Post by marchingmaniac on Oct 23, 2021 23:01:58 GMT -6
Individual captions are hard to judge on livestream, since it's obviously a lot different being on the field than watching on screen.
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Post by madhatter on Oct 23, 2021 23:13:51 GMT -6
Is Castle doing Nationals this year? They didnāt in 2019 and that was so sad. Their show is so good this year. Yes, Castle is going to GNs this year.
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Oct 23, 2021 23:23:21 GMT -6
Not going to lieā¦ Homestead staying in the top 7 is surprising for me. Homestead staff, get those electronics issues figured out ASAP. Talking with a close connection to the band they said this is the 4th time this has happened this season. 2 football games and 2 competitions. The first time should have been the wake up call. If everything works, I would give them 2 points higher for sure. And that would put them smack in the middle of Brownsburg and Fishers and that super tight race with Castle. Which I honestly think is fair. We SHOULD throw out the finals score because it is not reflective or indicative of what the band is currently doing. Please no more hiccups. I feel like Iām in one of those medical shows where the patient has been flatlining for 10 minutes but the ER doc is still desperately doing compressions. I just want to sayā¦Joshā¦itās overā¦call it.
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Post by thewho on Oct 23, 2021 23:33:55 GMT -6
It's just band dude, dudettes, and dude-nbs.
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Post by 18Saxes on Oct 23, 2021 23:38:07 GMT -6
Actually the last 3 times Carmel has won Indy, theyāve finished higher than Avon at Nats. Iām thinking over the last 10-15 years there have been quite a few times that what I said has been true. I think the only time that Carmel beat Avon at Indianapolis and then lost to them at GN was 2007. Though to be fair, Avon usually beats Carmel at Indy.
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Post by ohbandfan on Oct 24, 2021 1:09:29 GMT -6
Iām thinking over the last 10-15 years there have been quite a few times that what I said has been true. I think the only time that Carmel beat Avon at Indianapolis and then lost to them at GN was 2007. Though to be fair, Avon usually beats Carmel at Indy. I stand corrected. Though, there were a few times that Avon won Indy and Carmel placed higher than them at GN. maybe thatās where my head was at
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Post by Shroom on Oct 24, 2021 1:56:59 GMT -6
Can anyone explain the 3 pt gap between mason and castle? I would like to know why Carmel & Avon are ALWAYS 5-6pts ahead of all Indiana bands? Size should not matter. It isn't size that makes them good? Don't get me wrong Indy this year was stacked and every band in finals was amazing but Avon and Carmel are just cleaner by a long shot. They could've been half the size but still have been on top.
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Post by hewhowaits on Oct 24, 2021 5:09:35 GMT -6
Can anyone explain the 3 pt gap between mason and castle? Having watched the two bands back-to-back in prelims (unable to catch finals), I would have said Castle is in the running for a GN finals spot and Mason solidly in finals (along with ABC and most or all of the Texas groups). 1.5 points feels right - average of the prelims tie and finals gap.
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Post by verysaxy on Oct 24, 2021 7:12:32 GMT -6
This Ind. Mus. judge from prelims needs to find a new career because this one is not his strong suit š
Lol what do you disagree on? I donāt necessarily disagree w their rankings, but whoever they were was pretty harsh! From what Iāve seen itās pretty rare to see a band get a NINE in anything let alone two in the back half of October. Also, a lot bands that were getting 15s,16s, and 17s a few weeks ago got 12s, 13s, and 14s in prelims. Comparing them to the Ens. Mus. judge, the Ind. Mus. judge reallllly was not having a good time with anyone except Avon, Carmel and Mason.
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Post by boahistorybuff on Oct 24, 2021 9:45:16 GMT -6
Congratulations to Carmel on regional win number 25! They are closing the gap on Norwin (29) who has the most regional titles. Keep in mind, Norwin has been the record holder for most BOA regionals going all the way back to 1980.
Also a shout out to Avon who did not make this an easy win for Carmel. Fun fact, Carmel and Avon have been the top two finishes at this regional every year since 2009.
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Post by TeamIndiana on Oct 24, 2021 10:30:18 GMT -6
If everything works, I would give them 2 points higher for sure. And that would put them smack in the middle of Brownsburg and Fishers and that super tight race with Castle. Which I honestly think is fair. We SHOULD throw out the finals score because it is not reflective or indicative of what the band is currently doing. Please no more hiccups. I feel like Iām in one of those medical shows where the patient has been flatlining for 10 minutes but the ER doc is still desperately doing compressions. I just want to sayā¦Joshā¦itās overā¦call it.Ā From the inner rumblings at Homestead, the parents are not happy with the ongoing audio problems and lower placings over seasons past. Longevity wise it worries me that if they donāt get things figured out that they will lose that crucial community support that makes this program what it is. Not trying to be doom and gloom (I will leave that for you!) but just relaying the current situation there.
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Oct 24, 2021 11:43:18 GMT -6
I feel like Iām in one of those medical shows where the patient has been flatlining for 10 minutes but the ER doc is still desperately doing compressions. I just want to sayā¦Joshā¦itās overā¦call it. From the inner rumblings at Homestead, the parents are not happy with the ongoing audio problems and lower placings over seasons past. Longevity wise it worries me that if they donāt get things figured out that they will lose that crucial community support that makes this program what it is. Not trying to be doom and gloom (I will leave that for you!) but just relaying the current situation there. Look, I've always been a pessimist, but it comes from a place a believing in Homestead but merely bracing for the worst in any particular competition. I'm the same way with sports. It's simply a defense mechanism. But I will be honest that this season has been different as I have watched the program's missteps and lack of progress. I quite frankly, don't believe right now. I know that in this regard I'm parting ways with most of the Homestead Watchers here, and I respect their opinions. (Good talking with you yesterday Seth, always nice seeing you and hearing your insights!) But those of us on this board are looking at things differently than kids and parents are. We can sit back and take a long view and preach patience. But a kid who has practiced in the heat, the cold, and the rain, and who stands on the field in Lucas Oil for the biggest competition so far and hears the show screwed up by ineptness out of their control for the 4th time, what does that say to them? Does this inspire confidence in their leadership? Does this make them want to get back to work (ahem, on Tuesday) and work even harder? I'll bet more than one kid was on that bus ride back thinking, "Screw this $#!T." I left after Avon performed, before awards. I never do that, but we wanted to get out of there. I saw a LOT of Homestead jackets heading out the door. And probably not just because some great bands performed better, but because they were pissed, as I was. If you lose those kids and the parents at Homestead, it's over. And if they don't believe in what you're selling, you'll lose them. These are no longer Barber/Wadkins parents with a long deep love for the program. They don't automatically believe. And what they're showing today does not inspire confidence. I know most here think I'm being overly dramatic, but I don't think so. It's one thing for the new regime to come in and drop a bit due to the rise of some other programs. You can't control that. But when you come in and produce the worst season in 30 years by dropping your own balls and shooting yourself in the foot over and over, well I'm not surprised that the parents are pissed. I don't know what the answer is for them. One would have to think the staff needs reviewed. But certainly there needs to be some greater attention to detail there because from the outside looking in it certainly feels like the small things are being ignored, and they've become big problems. And that's all I've got to say about that.
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Post by sethb811 on Oct 24, 2021 12:53:23 GMT -6
From the inner rumblings at Homestead, the parents are not happy with the ongoing audio problems and lower placings over seasons past. Longevity wise it worries me that if they donāt get things figured out that they will lose that crucial community support that makes this program what it is. Not trying to be doom and gloom (I will leave that for you!) but just relaying the current situation there. Look, I've always been a pessimist, but it comes from a place a believing in Homestead but merely bracing for the worst in any particular competition. I'm the same way with sports. It's simply a defense mechanism. But I will be honest that this season has been different as I have watched the program's missteps and lack of progress. I quite frankly, don't believe right now. I know that in this regard I'm parting ways with most of the Homestead Watchers here, and I respect their opinions. (Good talking with you yesterday Seth, always nice seeing you and hearing your insights!) But those of us on this board are looking at things differently than kids and parents are. We can sit back and take a long view and preach patience. But a kid who has practiced in the heat, the cold, and the rain, and who stands on the field in Lucas Oil for the biggest competition so far and hears the show screwed up by ineptness out of their control for the 4th time, what does that say to them? Does this inspire confidence in their leadership? Does this make them want to get back to work (ahem, on Tuesday) and work even harder? I'll bet more than one kid was on that bus ride back thinking, "Screw this $#!T." I left after Avon performed, before awards. I never do that, but we wanted to get out of there. I saw a LOT of Homestead jackets heading out the door. And probably not just because some great bands performed better, but because they were pissed, as I was. If you lose those kids and the parents at Homestead, it's over. And if they don't believe in what you're selling, you'll lose them. These are no longer Barber/Wadkins parents with a long deep love for the program. They don't automatically believe. And what they're showing today does not inspire confidence. I know most here think I'm being overly dramatic, but I don't think so. It's one thing for the new regime to come in and drop a bit due to the rise of some other programs. You can't control that. But when you come in and produce the worst season in 30 years by dropping your own balls and shooting yourself in the foot over and over, well I'm not surprised that the parents are pissed. I don't know what the answer is for them. One would have to think the staff needs reviewed. But certainly there needs to be some greater attention to detail there because from the outside looking in it certainly feels like the small things are being ignored, and they've become big problems. And that's all I've got to say about that. Step back from the ledge! I've seen what happens when parents try to butt into running a program. Trust me it'll do far more damage (see Lassiter & Gibson Southern). Let the directors and staff handle it. I'm sure they're well aware of the issues and are looking to rectify them. You know my thoughts on the current show and staff so I won't go into that. I do know that everything I've heard about the director is nothing but positive so try having a little faith. They'll learn from this year and adjust.
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Post by verysaxy on Oct 24, 2021 13:56:13 GMT -6
I would like to know why Carmel & Avon are ALWAYS 5-6pts ahead of all Indiana bands? Size should not matter. It isn't size that makes them good? Don't get me wrong Indy this year was stacked and every band in finals was amazing but Avon and Carmel are just cleaner by a long shot. They could've been half the size but still have been on top. Did you watch finals in person? William Mason was by far the cleanest band musically and there were moments where Castle felt louder than both Carmel and Avon. Visually, Iād say they were the top two but Franklin and Fishers guard is better than Carmelās imo and on par with Avonās. Maybe I received a ādistortedā view since I was in the sixth row (close enough to hear the met a certain director played for their head DMā¦), but it definitely feels like Carmel and Avon were not the top two in every single way last night. Carson is right for speculating that A. Cavon is not 5-6 points ahead of the rest of Indiana and B. their size/legacy may play a part in them receiving scores 5-6 points ahead of the other Indiana bands.
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Post by jcbandfan on Oct 24, 2021 14:07:36 GMT -6
It isn't size that makes them good? Don't get me wrong Indy this year was stacked and every band in finals was amazing but Avon and Carmel are just cleaner by a long shot. They could've been half the size but still have been on top. Did you watch finals in person? William Mason was by far the cleanest band musically and there were moments where Castle felt louder than both Carmel and Avon. Visually, Iād say they were the top two but Franklin and Fishers guard is better than Carmelās imo and on par with Avonās. Maybe I received a ādistortedā view since I was in the sixth row (close enough to hear the met a certain director played for their head DMā¦), but it definitely feels like Carmel and Avon were not the top two in every single way last night. Carson is right for speculating that A. Cavon is not 5-6 points ahead of the rest of Indiana and B. their size/legacy may play a part in them receiving scores 5-6 points ahead of the other Indiana bands. Louder does not equal better. Also remember that while you may think Mason was cleaner musically, at the end of the day the judges from a higher perspective in the stands and the individual judges on the field clearly felt differently. If legacy meant anything, then Fishers would not have placed higher than Avon from one of the judges in prelims. Nor would Blue Springs beat Carmel in prelims at this competition in 2016. At the end of the day, a collective group of judges put in their opinions that led to the score gap. Avon is not at a gigantic size advantage to most bands around them and I do believe they were the smallest band in the top half of grand nats in 2019.
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Post by cp823 on Oct 24, 2021 14:10:28 GMT -6
Iād say mason was clearly better than the groups below them, and Avon/Carmel were clearly better than Mason. Those distinct advantages across every sub caption add up. Their demand was also far higher than the competition.
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Post by indydrumlineguy on Oct 24, 2021 15:56:26 GMT -6
Did you watch finals in person? William Mason was by far the cleanest band musically and there were moments where Castle felt louder than both Carmel and Avon. Visually, Iād say they were the top two but Franklin and Fishers guard is better than Carmelās imo and on par with Avonās. Maybe I received a ādistortedā view since I was in the sixth row (close enough to hear the met a certain director played for their head DMā¦), but it definitely feels like Carmel and Avon were not the top two in every single way last night. Carson is right for speculating that A. Cavon is not 5-6 points ahead of the rest of Indiana and B. their size/legacy may play a part in them receiving scores 5-6 points ahead of the other Indiana bands. Louder does not equal better. Also remember that while you may think Mason was cleaner musically, at the end of the day the judges from a higher perspective in the stands and the individual judges on the field clearly felt differently. If legacy meant anything, then Fishers would not have placed higher than Avon from one of the judges in prelims. Nor would Blue Springs beat Carmel in prelims at this competition in 2016. At the end of the day, a collective group of judges put in their opinions that led to the score gap. Avon is not at a gigantic size advantage to most bands around them and I do believe they were the smallest band in the top half of grand nats in 2019. I would say a good example of louder is not always better is lower in the standings last night. Center Grove is easily the smallest band in finals last night and I think we would all agree has the āweakestā sound. But their technicality and show design helped them beat out 6 other quality groups.
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