Top 32 Rankings - Week 8 - November 2, 2021

[jamesfromrouse]

since i'm inpatient for week 9 i made my own

1 - Broken Arrow, OK (1)

2 - Hebron, TX (9)

3 - Carmel, IN (3)

4 - Vandegrift, TX (2)

5 - Avon, IN (5)

6 - The Woodlands, TX (7)

7 - Flower Mound, TX (4)

8 - Claudia Taylor Johnson, TX (8)

9 - Marcus, TX (11)

10 - Ronald Reagan, TX (6)

11 - Blue Springs, MO (12)

12 - Cedar Ridge, TX (16)

13 - Cedar Park, TX (14)

14 - Vista Ridge, TX (10)

15 - Rouse, TX (17)

16 - Dobyns-Bennett, TN (22)

17 - Leander, TX (21)

18 - Tarpon Springs, FL (13)

19 - Coppell, TX (19)

20 - William Mason, OH (15)

21 - Castle, IN (18)

22 - Fishers, IN (20)

23 - Keller, TX (26)

24- Pearland, TX (28)

25 - Wando, SC (23)

26 - Brownsburg, IN (24)

27 - Round Rock, TX (25)

28 - Homestead, IN (27)

29 - Westlake, TX (29)

30 - Prosper, TX (32)

31 - Lincoln-Way, IL (31)

32 - James Bowie, TX (30)

First Out: Westwood (next 10)



Next 10, in alphabetical order: American Fork (UT), Carroll, (TX), Chino Hills (CA), Cypress Woods (TX), Grain Valley (MO), LD Bell (TX), Mustang (OK), O'Fallon Township (IL), Owasso (OK), and Seven Lakes (TX),

[jaywhite]

I find it odd you rank homestead where you do when Mustang and O’Fallen finished ahead of them in both the preliminaries and the semi finals in Indy just a couple days ago.

[verysaxy]

Vista Ridge over DB?

That’s like saying Ayala 2019 was better than the Woodlands 2019, lol

[N.E. Brigand]

Nov 16, 2021 21:15:31 GMT -6 verysaxy said:

Vista Ridge over DB?

That’s like saying Ayala 2019 was better than the Woodlands 2019, lol

Need it be assumed that the judges always make the right decision?

[supersound]

Nov 16, 2021 21:20:15 GMT -6 N.E. Brigand said:

Nov 16, 2021 21:15:31 GMT -6 verysaxy said:

Vista Ridge over DB?

That’s like saying Ayala 2019 was better than the Woodlands 2019, lol

Need it be assumed that the judges always make the right decision?

No but to be fair as someone who loves Vista Ridge I do think Dobyns-Bennett had the upper hand performance wise, at least definitely in finals.

Dobyns was very close to Vista Ridge in all sections of the competition until finals, if we do put Vista Ridge above Dobyns I definitely wouldn’t put Vista Ridge higher than maybe 2 places at maximum.

[hewhowaits]

TBF to jamesfromrouse, the discussion here was about whether we would see Week 9 rankings prior to GN. Those might have been his pre-GN ranking.

[hameeza]

Nov 16, 2021 12:30:32 GMT -6 jamesfromrouse said:

since i'm inpatient for week 9 i made my own

1 - Broken Arrow, OK (1)

2 - Hebron, TX (9)

3 - Carmel, IN (3)

4 - Vandegrift, TX (2)

5 - Avon, IN (5)

6 - The Woodlands, TX (7)

7 - Flower Mound, TX (4)

8 - Claudia Taylor Johnson, TX (8)

9 - Marcus, TX (11)

10 - Ronald Reagan, TX (6)

11 - Blue Springs, MO (12)

12 - Cedar Ridge, TX (16)

13 - Cedar Park, TX (14)

14 - Vista Ridge, TX (10)

15 - Rouse, TX (17)

16 - Dobyns-Bennett, TN (22)

17 - Leander, TX (21)

18 - Tarpon Springs, FL (13)

19 - Coppell, TX (19)

20 - William Mason, OH (15)

21 - Castle, IN (18)

22 - Fishers, IN (20)

23 - Keller, TX (26)

24- Pearland, TX (28)

25 - Wando, SC (23)

26 - Brownsburg, IN (24)

27 - Round Rock, TX (25)

28 - Homestead, IN (27)

29 - Westlake, TX (29)

30 - Prosper, TX (32)

31 - Lincoln-Way, IL (31)

32 - James Bowie, TX (30)

First Out: Westwood (next 10)



Next 10, in alphabetical order: American Fork (UT), Carroll, (TX), Chino Hills (CA), Cypress Woods (TX), Grain Valley (MO), LD Bell (TX), Mustang (OK), O'Fallon Township (IL), Owasso (OK), and Seven Lakes (TX),

No word on Keller or Coppell after beating vista and cedar park consistently at san antonio? Pretty sure Coppell had higher scores than CTJ and Reagan at UIL.

[salvation]

Nov 17, 2021 8:17:04 GMT -6 hameeza said:

Nov 16, 2021 12:30:32 GMT -6 jamesfromrouse said:

since i'm inpatient for week 9 i made my own

1 - Broken Arrow, OK (1)

2 - Hebron, TX (9)

3 - Carmel, IN (3)

4 - Vandegrift, TX (2)

5 - Avon, IN (5)

6 - The Woodlands, TX (7)

7 - Flower Mound, TX (4)

8 - Claudia Taylor Johnson, TX (8)

9 - Marcus, TX (11)

10 - Ronald Reagan, TX (6)

11 - Blue Springs, MO (12)

12 - Cedar Ridge, TX (16)

13 - Cedar Park, TX (14)

14 - Vista Ridge, TX (10)

15 - Rouse, TX (17)

16 - Dobyns-Bennett, TN (22)

17 - Leander, TX (21)

18 - Tarpon Springs, FL (13)

19 - Coppell, TX (19)

20 - William Mason, OH (15)

21 - Castle, IN (18)

22 - Fishers, IN (20)

23 - Keller, TX (26)

24- Pearland, TX (28)

25 - Wando, SC (23)

26 - Brownsburg, IN (24)

27 - Round Rock, TX (25)

28 - Homestead, IN (27)

29 - Westlake, TX (29)

30 - Prosper, TX (32)

31 - Lincoln-Way, IL (31)

32 - James Bowie, TX (30)

First Out: Westwood (next 10)



Next 10, in alphabetical order: American Fork (UT), Carroll, (TX), Chino Hills (CA), Cypress Woods (TX), Grain Valley (MO), LD Bell (TX), Mustang (OK), O'Fallon Township (IL), Owasso (OK), and Seven Lakes (TX),

No word on Keller or Coppell after beating vista and cedar park consistently at san antonio? Pretty sure Coppell had higher scores than CTJ and Reagan at UIL.

UIL doesn’t really affect the rankings too much (See Vista Ridge 2018)

[ilikeguard]

Nov 16, 2021 12:30:32 GMT -6 jamesfromrouse said:

since i'm inpatient for week 9 i made my own

1 - Broken Arrow, OK (1)

2 - Hebron, TX (9)

3 - Carmel, IN (3)

4 - Vandegrift, TX (2)

5 - Avon, IN (5)

6 - The Woodlands, TX (7)

7 - Flower Mound, TX (4)

8 - Claudia Taylor Johnson, TX (8)

9 - Marcus, TX (11)

10 - Ronald Reagan, TX (6)

11 - Blue Springs, MO (12)

12 - Cedar Ridge, TX (16)

13 - Cedar Park, TX (14)

14 - Vista Ridge, TX (10)

15 - Rouse, TX (17)

16 - Dobyns-Bennett, TN (22)

17 - Leander, TX (21)

18 - Tarpon Springs, FL (13)

19 - Coppell, TX (19)

20 - William Mason, OH (15)

21 - Castle, IN (18)

22 - Fishers, IN (20)

23 - Keller, TX (26)

24- Pearland, TX (28)

25 - Wando, SC (23)

26 - Brownsburg, IN (24)

27 - Round Rock, TX (25)

28 - Homestead, IN (27)

29 - Westlake, TX (29)

30 - Prosper, TX (32)

31 - Lincoln-Way, IL (31)

32 - James Bowie, TX (30)

First Out: Westwood (next 10)



Next 10, in alphabetical order: American Fork (UT), Carroll, (TX), Chino Hills (CA), Cypress Woods (TX), Grain Valley (MO), LD Bell (TX), Mustang (OK), O'Fallon Township (IL), Owasso (OK), and Seven Lakes (TX),

This looks really good! There’s always going to be people who disagree with the weekly ranking because rankings, just like actual placements, are subjective. I think you did a really nice job!

[spencerdrums]

I’m confused as to why you have schools like Coppell and Keller lower than Rouse Vista and CP when they lost to them at BOA San Antonio

Nov 16, 2021 12:30:32 GMT -6 jamesfromrouse said:

since i'm inpatient for week 9 i made my own

1 - Broken Arrow, OK (1)

2 - Hebron, TX (9)

3 - Carmel, IN (3)

4 - Vandegrift, TX (2)

5 - Avon, IN (5)

6 - The Woodlands, TX (7)

7 - Flower Mound, TX (4)

8 - Claudia Taylor Johnson, TX (8)

9 - Marcus, TX (11)

10 - Ronald Reagan, TX (6)

11 - Blue Springs, MO (12)

12 - Cedar Ridge, TX (16)

13 - Cedar Park, TX (14)

14 - Vista Ridge, TX (10)

15 - Rouse, TX (17)

16 - Dobyns-Bennett, TN (22)

17 - Leander, TX (21)

18 - Tarpon Springs, FL (13)

19 - Coppell, TX (19)

20 - William Mason, OH (15)

21 - Castle, IN (18)

22 - Fishers, IN (20)

23 - Keller, TX (26)

24- Pearland, TX (28)

25 - Wando, SC (23)

26 - Brownsburg, IN (24)

27 - Round Rock, TX (25)

28 - Homestead, IN (27)

29 - Westlake, TX (29)

30 - Prosper, TX (32)

31 - Lincoln-Way, IL (31)

32 - James Bowie, TX (30)

First Out: Westwood (next 10)



Next 10, in alphabetical order: American Fork (UT), Carroll, (TX), Chino Hills (CA), Cypress Woods (TX), Grain Valley (MO), LD Bell (TX), Mustang (OK), O'Fallon Township (IL), Owasso (OK), and Seven Lakes (TX),

[jamesfromrouse]

Nov 17, 2021 11:22:48 GMT -6 salvation said:

Nov 17, 2021 8:17:04 GMT -6 hameeza said:

No word on Keller or Coppell after beating vista and cedar park consistently at san antonio? Pretty sure Coppell had higher scores than CTJ and Reagan at UIL.

UIL doesn’t really affect the rankings too much (See Vista Ridge 2018)

UIL doesnt matter for rankings however, I definitely did have few some mistakes 

[marchingmaniac]

I guess since we're still waiting for the final rankings of the season I'll make my own too:

1 - Broken Arrow, OK (1)

2 - Hebron, TX (9)

3 - Carmel, IN (3)

4 - Vandegrift, TX (2)

5 - Avon, IN (5)

6 - The Woodlands, TX (7)

7 - Flower Mound, TX (4)

8 - Marcus, TX (11)

9 - Claudia Taylor Johnson, TX (8)

10 - Cedar Ridge, TX (16)

11 - Dobyns-Bennett, TN (22)

12 - Ronald Reagan, TX (6)

13 - Coppell, TX (19)

14 - Tarpon Springs, FL (13)

15 - Leander, TX (21)

16 - Blue Springs, MO (12)

17 - William Mason, OH (15)

18 - Keller, TX (26)

19 - Cedar Park, TX (14)

20 - Vista Ridge, TX (10)

21 - Rouse, TX (17)

22 - Wando, SC (23)

23 - Castle, IN (18)

24 - Pearland, TX (28)

25 - Westlake, TX (29)

26 - Fishers, IN (20)

27 - Round Rock, TX (25)

28 - Seven Lakes, TX (Next 10)

29 - Brownsburg, IN (23)

30 - Lincoln-Way, IL (31)

31 - Carroll, TX (First Out)

32 - James Bowie, TX (30)

First Out: Prosper, TX (32)



Next 10, in alphabetical order: American Fork (UT), Chino Hills (CA), Cypress Woods (TX), Grain Valley (MO), Lake Travis (TX), LD Bell (TX), Mustang (OK), O'Fallon Township (IL), Owasso (OK), and Westwood (TX)

These are just my thoughts, don't take them too seriously.

[californiadreams]

Let me try,

1. Broken Arrow (1)
2. Hebron (9)
3. Carmel (3)
4. Vandegrift (2)
5. Avon (5)
6. Flower Mound (4)
7. The Woodlands (7)
8. Marcus (11)
9. Claudia Taylor Johnson (8)
10. Cedar Ridge (16)
11. Coppell (19)
12. Ronald Reagan (6)
13. Dobyns-Bennett (22)
14. Keller (26)
15. Tarpon Springs (13)
16. Leander (21)
17. Cedar Park (14)
18. Blue Springs (12)
19. Vista Ridge (10)
20. William Mason (15)
21. Wando (23)
22. Rouse (17)
23. Westlake (29)
24. Fishers (20)
25. Castle (18)
26. Pearland (28)
27. Seven Lakes (Next 10)
28. Brownsburg (23)
29. Caroll (First Out)
30. Round Rock (25)
31. Chino Hills (Next 10)
32. Mustang (Next 10)

FIRST OUT: Prosper

Next 10 In Alphabetical Order:
American Fork
Centerville
Cypress Woods
Franklin
Grain Valley
James Bowie
Lake Travis
Norwin
O’Fallon Township
Westwood

[dbbandalum]

Man I guess we're just not getting rankings anymore huh

[californiadreams]

Adjusted my ranking a little

[verysaxy]

Is this the end of HornRank? Or did Jeremiah set it to automatically shut down once a band hit 98?

[uselesshoney]

Nov 29, 2021 20:45:22 GMT -6 verysaxy said:

Is this the end of HornRank? Or did Jeremiah set it to automatically shut down once a band hit 98?

Who knows, maybe he's just really busy. I can imagine it's pretty time consuming to put all of this stuff together

[txbanddad]

Hebron and BA should share #1. Hebron had a historically great show, but you can’t bump a Grand Nats winner from #1. Still not Hebron’s fault they can only go every 4 years like a lot of the Texas bands.

[salvation]

Nov 30, 2021 19:31:13 GMT -6 txbanddad said:

Hebron and BA should share #1. Hebron had a historically great show, but you can’t bump a Grand Nats winner from #1. Still not Hebron’s fault they can only go every 4 years like a lot of the Texas bands.

I think this should be the easiest number one ever, i know this topic keeps getting brought up.

59.5 in GE, like, come on.

[asaiah]

Nov 30, 2021 19:31:13 GMT -6 txbanddad said:

Hebron and BA should share #1. Hebron had a historically great show, but you can’t bump a Grand Nats winner from #1. Still not Hebron’s fault they can only go every 4 years like a lot of the Texas bands.

Hebron would've lost to Broken Arrow had they gone to Nats. Now, they most definitely would've taken Flower Mound's music caption, but Broken Arrow's show design was and is head and shoulders above every other 2021 production.

[supersound]

I see Hebron possibly above Broken Arrow in music, not music GE. Broken Arrow no doubt has the edge GE and visual l-wise.

[cp823]

Hebron’s strongest points, subcaption wise, are broken arrow’s weakest points. Even if Hebron falls in GE, I think they more than make up for it in other areas. Either way I believe we would have seen two bands eclipse the score record had both attended.

[abtwitch]

Hebron takes Music
Broken Arrow takes Visual and GE

Broken Arrow can't play like Hebron (no one can), but they had the far superior overall design and moved like no other band could this year.

[trombonium]

Am I the only one who wasn't that impressed by Broken Arrow's visuals this year? They definitely had one of the best visual performances in the nation but I don't consider them the clear leader. For example, while BA's guard was superior to Hebron's, I found Hebron's marching more impressive than Broken Arrow's (regardless of GE). BA's visuals were too amorphous for me to consider them terribly difficult and overused the technique of 'fancy running' as an easier way to get from set to set. Plus I feel that Broken Arrow's show wasn't that high in simultaneous visual and musical demand.

[TXHillCountryBands]

Dec 2, 2021 14:25:13 GMT -6 trombonium said:

Am I the only one who wasn't that impressed by Broken Arrow's visuals this year? They definitely had one of the best visual performances in the nation but I don't consider them the clear leader. For example, while BA's guard was superior to Hebron's, I found Hebron's marching more impressive than Broken Arrow's (regardless of GE). BA's visuals were too amorphous for me to consider them terribly difficult and overused the technique of 'fancy running' as an easier way to get from set to set. Plus I feel that Broken Arrow's show wasn't that high in simultaneous visual and musical demand.

💯. Carmels visual was the standout for me at Nats but Hebron took the cake overall In terns Simultaneous music and visual demand!

[Shroom]

Dec 2, 2021 14:25:13 GMT -6 trombonium said:

Am I the only one who wasn't that impressed by Broken Arrow's visuals this year? They definitely had one of the best visual performances in the nation but I don't consider them the clear leader. For example, while BA's guard was superior to Hebron's, I found Hebron's marching more impressive than Broken Arrow's (regardless of GE). BA's visuals were too amorphous for me to consider them terribly difficult and overused the technique of 'fancy running' as an easier way to get from set to set. Plus I feel that Broken Arrow's show wasn't that high in simultaneous visual and musical demand.

BA didn't seem to have an insanely visually demanding show compared to Hebron, Avon, Carmel, and Flowermound but something that stood out to me with them was their actual marching technique. It seemed nearly perfect in comparison to their competition, which for me really made their drill and choreo pop for me

[band05]

Dec 2, 2021 18:25:53 GMT -6 Shroom said:

Dec 2, 2021 14:25:13 GMT -6 trombonium said:

Am I the only one who wasn't that impressed by Broken Arrow's visuals this year? They definitely had one of the best visual performances in the nation but I don't consider them the clear leader. For example, while BA's guard was superior to Hebron's, I found Hebron's marching more impressive than Broken Arrow's (regardless of GE). BA's visuals were too amorphous for me to consider them terribly difficult and overused the technique of 'fancy running' as an easier way to get from set to set. Plus I feel that Broken Arrow's show wasn't that high in simultaneous visual and musical demand.

BA didn't seem to have an insanely visually demanding show compared to Hebron, Avon, Carmel, and Flowermound but something that stood out to me with them was their actual marching technique. It seemed nearly perfect in comparison to their competition, which for me really made their drill and choreo pop for me

And the technique with which they “fancy run” (fluttering, just fyi) is BEAUTIFUL. Their feet look SO clean.

[Shroom]

Dec 2, 2021 18:25:53 GMT -6 Shroom said:

BA didn't seem to have an insanely visually demanding show compared to Hebron, Avon, Carmel, and Flowermound but something that stood out to me with them was their actual marching technique. It seemed nearly perfect in comparison to their competition, which for me really made their drill and choreo pop for me

And the technique with which they “fancy run” (fluttering, just fyi) is BEAUTIFUL. Their feet look SO clean. [/quote]


Yea I've always had super mixed opinions on fluttering and jazz running. While the marching arts in general have incredibly low skill floors and the skill roof seems to rise every year, this especially seems to apply to fluttering and jazz running. It's really easy for a mediocre band to do it and look like a good band but extremely hard for a good band to do it and look like an amazing band. 90% of the time I roll my eyes when I see a finalist band fluttering and jazz running half the show, but there is always that 10% where a band is able to pull off the proper technique and make it look controlled and stylized. I think BA and BS were some of the best examples of this this year and both are really pushing the limit to what is expected from a modern marching band

[uselesshoney]

Dec 2, 2021 22:43:58 GMT -6 Shroom said:

Dec 2, 2021 18:25:53 GMT -6 Shroom said:

BA didn't seem to have an insanely visually demanding show compared to Hebron, Avon, Carmel, and Flowermound but something that stood out to me with them was their actual marching technique. It seemed nearly perfect in comparison to their competition, which for me really made their drill and choreo pop for me

And the technique with which they “fancy run” (fluttering, just fyi) is BEAUTIFUL. Their feet look SO clean.

It's really easy for a mediocre band to do it and look like a good band but extremely hard for a good band to do it and look like an amazing band. 90% of the time I roll my eyes when I see a finalist band fluttering and jazz running half the show[/quote]


Hard agree

[es203]

Dec 2, 2021 16:05:42 GMT -6 TXHillCountryBands said:

Dec 2, 2021 14:25:13 GMT -6 trombonium said:

Am I the only one who wasn't that impressed by Broken Arrow's visuals this year? They definitely had one of the best visual performances in the nation but I don't consider them the clear leader. For example, while BA's guard was superior to Hebron's, I found Hebron's marching more impressive than Broken Arrow's (regardless of GE). BA's visuals were too amorphous for me to consider them terribly difficult and overused the technique of 'fancy running' as an easier way to get from set to set. Plus I feel that Broken Arrow's show wasn't that high in simultaneous visual and musical demand.

💯. Carmels visual was the standout for me at Nats but Hebron took the cake overall In terns Simultaneous music and visual demand!

Agreed on both of these, I personally thought Carmel's individual marching technique was nearly flawless, even in the more difficult parts of the show it was super consistent across the board (and of course that color guard was lights out.) But just watching the closer of Hebron's show when they were absolutely booking it while playing some ridiculous music (those woodwind runs as they came across the field before spelling "Hebron" ) made my jaw drop and it stayed like that until the end.