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Post by jeremiah on Nov 17, 2021 18:59:17 GMT -6
Almost as confusing as the whole Kansas City, Missouri (which is a real thing) and Kansas City, Kansas (which is a made up city)
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Post by trumpette123 on Nov 17, 2021 19:10:06 GMT -6
Looking at the KC metro area, specifically blue springs. Blue Springs High School does have more “lower income” neighborhoods than Blue Springs South High School does. Some neighborhoods with Lees Summit addresses go to BSS and some Independence addresses go to BS. It would be interesting to compare Less Summit, Indepedence, Raytown, Blue Springs, and Grain Valley. I think you’ll find your answers there. And as far as KCMO vs KCK. KCK is the industrial part of the city.
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Post by trumpette123 on Nov 17, 2021 19:12:52 GMT -6
It certainly isn’t in the top 10 in the state by any means, but the town of Blue Springs is relatively well-off compared to some other MO towns that have competitive marching bands. Out of bands that consistently compete in BOA, Fort Zumwalt North (O’Fallon), Grain Valley, and Blue Springs are all above the average “poverty index” (44% in Missouri) we’re using here. Particularly so in comparison to a school like Camdenton, where over 50% of students qualify for the federal program. It’s all relative. That’s why I said “for around here”. Unrelated but it makes me chuckle to think about how confusing the whole O'Fallon, MO/O'Fallon, IL thing must be to people outside of MO/STL area. Especially considering the close proximity of the two towns I’ve definitely made this mistake driving through >.<
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Post by ilikeguard on Nov 17, 2021 19:22:27 GMT -6
Looking at the KC metro area, specifically blue springs. Blue Springs High School does have more “lower income” neighborhoods than Blue Springs South High School does. Some neighborhoods with Lees Summit addresses go to BSS and some Independence addresses go to BS. It would be interesting to compare Less Summit, Indepedence, Raytown, Blue Springs, and Grain Valley. I think you’ll find your answers there. And as far as KCMO vs KCK. KCK is the industrial part of the city. It’d be interesting to see how Lee’s Summit would fare if they acquired an ambitious band director with goals to take on BOA (or state…if we had state…😔)
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Post by ilikeguard on Nov 17, 2021 19:24:14 GMT -6
It certainly isn’t in the top 10 in the state by any means, but the town of Blue Springs is relatively well-off compared to some other MO towns that have competitive marching bands. Out of bands that consistently compete in BOA, Fort Zumwalt North (O’Fallon), Grain Valley, and Blue Springs are all above the average “poverty index” (44% in Missouri) we’re using here. Particularly so in comparison to a school like Camdenton, where over 50% of students qualify for the federal program. It’s all relative. That’s why I said “for around here”. Unrelated but it makes me chuckle to think about how confusing the whole O'Fallon, MO/O'Fallon, IL thing must be to people outside of MO/STL area. Especially considering the close proximity of the two towns The fact that they’re both suburbs of St. Louis yet an hour apart makes my brain hurt! Who made that decision 🙄
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Post by trumpette123 on Nov 17, 2021 19:24:35 GMT -6
Looking at the KC metro area, specifically blue springs. Blue Springs High School does have more “lower income” neighborhoods than Blue Springs South High School does. Some neighborhoods with Lees Summit addresses go to BSS and some Independence addresses go to BS. It would be interesting to compare Less Summit, Indepedence, Raytown, Blue Springs, and Grain Valley. I think you’ll find your answers there. And as far as KCMO vs KCK. KCK is the industrial part of the city. It’d be interesting to see how Lee’s Summit would fare if they acquired an ambitious band director with goals to take on BOA (or state…if we had state…😔) Or even somewhere like Olathe or the Shawnee area in Kansas.
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Post by Shroom on Nov 17, 2021 20:02:24 GMT -6
It certainly isn’t in the top 10 in the state by any means, but the town of Blue Springs is relatively well-off compared to some other MO towns that have competitive marching bands. Out of bands that consistently compete in BOA, Fort Zumwalt North (O’Fallon), Grain Valley, and Blue Springs are all above the average “poverty index” (44% in Missouri) we’re using here. Particularly so in comparison to a school like Camdenton, where over 50% of students qualify for the federal program. It’s all relative. That’s why I said “for around here”. Unrelated but it makes me chuckle to think about how confusing the whole O'Fallon, MO/O'Fallon, IL thing must be to people outside of MO/STL area. Especially considering the close proximity of the two towns Both O'Fallons were founded by the same guy, Nicholas Krekel, but the one in Illinois was founded first. I don't remember the exact reason to why he went off and founded O'Fallon, MO, but iirc it was a mix of him being super anti-abolitionist which didn't bode well in Illinois, and because he wanted to expand his railroad business westward. What's interesting is that a good amount people from the areas around both O'Fallons share the Westhoff last name, which is ties them as his direct descendants, with myself as an example. Ik that's very off topic but still interesting bring up nonetheless imo
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Post by ilikeguard on Nov 17, 2021 21:08:07 GMT -6
Unrelated but it makes me chuckle to think about how confusing the whole O'Fallon, MO/O'Fallon, IL thing must be to people outside of MO/STL area. Especially considering the close proximity of the two towns Both O'Fallons were founded by the same guy, Nicholas Krekel, but the one in Illinois was founded first. I don't remember the exact reason to why he went off and founded O'Fallon, MO, but iirc it was a mix of him being super anti-abolitionist which didn't bode well in Illinois, and because he wanted to expand his railroad business westward. What's interesting is that a good amount people from the areas around both O'Fallons share the Westhoff last name, which is ties them as his direct descendants, with myself as an example. Ik that's very off topic but still interesting bring up nonetheless imo You learn something new every day. This is a pretty neat little history lesson! Thanks for explaining!
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Post by bearlytiger on Nov 18, 2021 6:15:24 GMT -6
When you start a post with “respectfully” it is rarely a respectful post. That is where you are wrong. Just like Ricky Bobby, banddad85 obviously knows that it is fine because it is it the Geneva Convention.
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Post by hewhowaits on Nov 18, 2021 6:28:14 GMT -6
Almost as confusing as the whole Kansas City, Missouri (which is a real thing) and Kansas City, Kansas (which is a made up city) The best one is Bristol, TN and Bristol, VA. They share a common downtown area. State Street is the main drag through downtown - it is the border between the states.
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Post by stlbanddad on Nov 18, 2021 13:17:36 GMT -6
Unrelated but it makes me chuckle to think about how confusing the whole O'Fallon, MO/O'Fallon, IL thing must be to people outside of MO/STL area. Especially considering the close proximity of the two towns Both O'Fallons were founded by the same guy, Nicholas Krekel, but the one in Illinois was founded first. I don't remember the exact reason to why he went off and founded O'Fallon, MO, but iirc it was a mix of him being super anti-abolitionist which didn't bode well in Illinois, and because he wanted to expand his railroad business westward. What's interesting is that a good amount people from the areas around both O'Fallons share the Westhoff last name, which is ties them as his direct descendants, with myself as an example. Ik that's very off topic but still interesting bring up nonetheless imo We should all just be thankful that the Missouri O'Fallon doesn't use the city name for their high schools. Otherwise, we'd have a collection of 3-4 of these show up at the St. Louis Super every year and confuse everyone: - O'Fallon North
- O'Fallon South
- O'Fallon West
- O'Fallon East
- O'Fallon Township
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Post by BlueStarsDad on Nov 18, 2021 13:48:46 GMT -6
Both O'Fallons were founded by the same guy, Nicholas Krekel, but the one in Illinois was founded first. I don't remember the exact reason to why he went off and founded O'Fallon, MO, but iirc it was a mix of him being super anti-abolitionist which didn't bode well in Illinois, and because he wanted to expand his railroad business westward. What's interesting is that a good amount people from the areas around both O'Fallons share the Westhoff last name, which is ties them as his direct descendants, with myself as an example. Ik that's very off topic but still interesting bring up nonetheless imo We should all just be thankful that the Missouri O'Fallon doesn't use the city name for their high schools. Otherwise, we'd have a collection of 3-4 of these show up at the St. Louis Super every year and confuse everyone: - O'Fallon North
- O'Fallon South
- O'Fallon West
- O'Fallon East
- O'Fallon Township
Yesterday was John O'Fallon's birthday (according to some article I saw) ... so let's make sure to raise a glass to his memory (and for making things so confusing).
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Post by nomorehoney on Nov 18, 2021 20:08:38 GMT -6
Both O'Fallons were founded by the same guy, Nicholas Krekel, but the one in Illinois was founded first. I don't remember the exact reason to why he went off and founded O'Fallon, MO, but iirc it was a mix of him being super anti-abolitionist which didn't bode well in Illinois, and because he wanted to expand his railroad business westward. What's interesting is that a good amount people from the areas around both O'Fallons share the Westhoff last name, which is ties them as his direct descendants, with myself as an example. Ik that's very off topic but still interesting bring up nonetheless imo We should all just be thankful that the Missouri O'Fallon doesn't use the city name for their high schools. Otherwise, we'd have a collection of 3-4 of these show up at the St. Louis Super every year and confuse everyone: - O'Fallon North
- O'Fallon South
- O'Fallon West
- O'Fallon East
- O'Fallon Township
Never thought about that lol. I remember flomarching mixing up the show titles of FZN and O'Fallon in 2019, can't imagine how much worse the screwups would be if the Fort Zumwalt schools were named after the town itself lol
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Post by hostrauser on Nov 18, 2021 20:21:23 GMT -6
Presented without comment: the 2021 BOA Grand National Finalists with each school's "poverty index" (the percentage of the student body that qualifies for the federal free or reduced-price school lunch program) 98.250 – Broken Arrow H.S., OK (14.06%) 97.050 – Carmel H.S., IN (9.96%) 96.650 – Avon H.S., IN (28.83%) 96.200 – The Woodlands H.S., TX (7.81%) 95.400 – Flower Mound H.S., TX (4.08%) 93.275 – Marcus H.S., TX (7.50%) 92.700 – Claudia Taylor Johnson H.S., TX (19.10%) 91.950 – Dobyns-Bennett H.S., TN (40.63%) 91.450 – Ronald Reagan H.S., TX (12.16%) 90.350 – Blue Springs H.S., MO (30.99%) 90.200 – William Mason H.S., OH (8.03%) 89.900 – Vista Ridge H.S., TX (16.30%) Let's do semifinals, too... 90.550 Wando H.S., SC (10.49%) 89.650 Castle H.S., IN (21.15%) 89.300 Fishers H.S., IN (17.59%) 88.450 Round Rock H.S., TX (13.99%) 86.350 Brownsburg H.S., IN (23.74%) 85.600 O'Fallon Township H.S., IL (22.70%) 84.950 Mustang H.S., OK (14.50%) 84.650 Franklin H.S., TN (5.81%) 84.450 Homestead H.S., IN (15.20%) 84.325 Centerville H.S., OH (11.85%) 83.350 Norwin H.S., PA (15.66%) 83.325 Rosemount H.S., MN (13.53%) 83.100 Marian Catholic H.S., IL (N/A) 81.500 Jenison H.S., MI (25.87%) 80.550 Cleveland H.S., NC (21.38%) 79.550 Plymouth-Canton E.P., MI (16.59%) 78.650 Rockford H.S., MI (14.30%) 77.200 Morton H.S., IL (14.23%) 76.375 Murray H.S., KY (42.83%) 74.850 Archbishop Alter H.S., OH (N/A) 73.350 Bourbon County H.S., KY (54.93%) 70.900 Signal Mountain H.S., TN (7.35%)
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Post by paddy on Nov 19, 2021 6:51:02 GMT -6
Do Marian and Alter not participate in the school lunch program?
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Post by stix on Nov 19, 2021 6:57:29 GMT -6
Do Marian and Alter not participate in the school lunch program? I think they are both private schools. I believe since they are private they don’t have to share the demographics publicly.
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Post by hostrauser on Nov 19, 2021 8:14:08 GMT -6
Do Marian and Alter not participate in the school lunch program? Private schools have to meet very specific non-profit requirements to participate in the federal school lunch program. I believe (not certain) that for both of these schools free lunch is covered by tuition, so they do not participate in the federal program.
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Post by paddy on Nov 19, 2021 8:28:40 GMT -6
Do Marian and Alter not participate in the school lunch program? I think they are both private schools. I believe since they are private they don’t have to share the demographics publicly. Not always true. Private schools in Indiana have to share data if they receive state dollars through the choice scholarship grant. Interestingly enough, MC gives an Indiana Choice Scholarship matching credit if a family qualifies.
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