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Post by Allohak on Nov 8, 2021 11:59:57 GMT -6
Here is my guess Broken Arrow H.S., OK 1 Carmel H.S., IN 2 Flower Mound H.S., TX 3 Avon H.S., IN 4 Ronald Reagan H.S., TX 5 The Woodlands H.S., TX 6 Claudia Taylor Johnson H.S., TX 7 Blue Springs H.S., MO 8 William Mason H.S., OH 9 Wando H.S., SC 10 Castle H.S., IN 11 Dobyns-Bennett H.S., TN 12 I like a bold prediction as much as anybody, but if only 4 of the Texas groups make finals...
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Post by thewho on Nov 8, 2021 12:01:19 GMT -6
People, Avon won the state championship. Stop putting them out of the top 3 and 2016-ing yourselves here.
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Post by supersound on Nov 8, 2021 12:15:25 GMT -6
I think of all the programs going Vista Ridge is in the most interesting position.
They didn’t have a bad San Antonio prelims placement, all in all right outside of what was a stacked top 7 was a comfortable place for them to be going forwards. That 12th place really hurt them, I think more than anything it’s going to affect the morale of the band.
Their finals performance wasn’t the cleanest, and they did go second which always grants a slightly lower score, at least on BOA sheets especially if a show isn’t the cleanest.
I think they have the most directions they could go, they have the most possibilities out of any band attending really. They have the demand in the show maybe just not the delivery.
I’m least sure of where Vista Ridge might end up, whereas with the other Texan bands I do have a good idea. They’re the hardest to predict at this point in my opinion.
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Post by hewhowaits on Nov 8, 2021 12:26:51 GMT -6
People, Avon won the state championship. Stop putting them out of the top 3 and 2016-ing yourselves here. Carmel won the Indy SR. One of Avon/Carmel will finish ahead of the other (unless they happen to tie for first).
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Post by hewhowaits on Nov 8, 2021 12:28:43 GMT -6
I think of all the programs going Vista Ridge is in the most interesting position. They didn’t have a bad San Antonio prelims placement, all in all right outside of what was a stacked top 7 was a comfortable place for them to be going forwards. That 12th place really hurt them, I think more than anything it’s going to affect the morale of the band. Their finals performance wasn’t the cleanest, and they did go second which always grants a slightly lower score, at least on BOA sheets especially if a show isn’t the cleanest. I think they have the most directions they could go, they have the most possibilities out of any band attending really. They have the demand in the show maybe just not the delivery. I’m least sure of where Vista Ridge might end up, whereas with the other Texan bands I do have a good idea. They’re the hardest to predict at this point in my opinion. Rather than affecting the morale of the band, the lower placement in SA finals may be the impetus to spur VR to greater things this week. "People are discounting us? Let's prove them wrong!"
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Post by warehouse314 on Nov 8, 2021 12:32:50 GMT -6
People, Avon won the state championship. Stop putting them out of the top 3 and 2016-ing yourselves here. VERY good chance that Avon continues its top 3 run... but I think if Avon and Carmel had each other's performance spot at state finals, then Carmel could have won. Again, just my opinion... so a very good chance it's wrong as well. 😁
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Post by charredbrown on Nov 8, 2021 12:39:33 GMT -6
Finals is going to be a (metaphorical) bloodbath. It is absolutely crazy to think that the top bands are all so close in level - and such an elite level at that! It's going to come down to 2 things: concept and execution. And even then it's a toss-up. I've seen bands with fantastic concepts lose to bands with incredibly clean, "weird" shows (2006 & 2012 come to mind). I've also seen bands that were near technical perfection lose to other bands who had a more "crowd-friendly" or cohesive show design (2011).
Crazy that a decision made by the directors WAY before Nationals can make such a difference!
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Post by vidal28rdg on Nov 8, 2021 13:02:31 GMT -6
I think of all the programs going Vista Ridge is in the most interesting position. They didn’t have a bad San Antonio prelims placement, all in all right outside of what was a stacked top 7 was a comfortable place for them to be going forwards. That 12th place really hurt them, I think more than anything it’s going to affect the morale of the band. Their finals performance wasn’t the cleanest, and they did go second which always grants a slightly lower score, at least on BOA sheets especially if a show isn’t the cleanest. I think they have the most directions they could go, they have the most possibilities out of any band attending really. They have the demand in the show maybe just not the delivery. I’m least sure of where Vista Ridge might end up, whereas with the other Texan bands I do have a good idea. They’re the hardest to predict at this point in my opinion. I’m sure their staff will ensure their students keep their eye on the ball, and have them move forward from it no problem, especially when they have to immediately shape up for UIL state, which looks promising for them based on their Area result, and then Grand Nats later on in the week. They know there’s nothing to dwell on after BOA SA and to just fight for this last week of their season to be the best so far. They’ll be fine
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Post by marimba11 on Nov 8, 2021 13:14:01 GMT -6
I think of all the programs going Vista Ridge is in the most interesting position. They didn’t have a bad San Antonio prelims placement, all in all right outside of what was a stacked top 7 was a comfortable place for them to be going forwards. That 12th place really hurt them, I think more than anything it’s going to affect the morale of the band. Their finals performance wasn’t the cleanest, and they did go second which always grants a slightly lower score, at least on BOA sheets especially if a show isn’t the cleanest. I think they have the most directions they could go, they have the most possibilities out of any band attending really. They have the demand in the show maybe just not the delivery. I’m least sure of where Vista Ridge might end up, whereas with the other Texan bands I do have a good idea. They’re the hardest to predict at this point in my opinion. I’m sure their staff will ensure their students keep their eye on the ball, and have them move forward from it no problem, especially when they have to immediately shape up for UIL state, which looks promising for them based on their Area result, and then Grand Nats later on in the week. They know there’s nothing to dwell on after BOA SA and to just fight for this last week of their season to be the best so far. They’ll be fine I think VR will be just fine. Top half or bottom half. Much like Flower Mound in 2014. VR has proven these last few years they can hang with the best of them
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Post by paddy on Nov 8, 2021 13:23:43 GMT -6
People, Avon won the state championship. Stop putting them out of the top 3 and 2016-ing yourselves here. VERY good chance that Avon continues its top 3 run... but I think if Avon and Carmel had each other's performance spot at state finals, then Carmel could have won. Again, just my opinion... so a very good chance it's wrong as well. 😁 I’m not so sure. There are 10 bands and for Class A you don’t have to really manage scores for the top 2. Manage 3-10 and the decide if Avon is slightly better or worse than Carmel and slot them in appropriately. The judges had 4.65 points to play with between Carmel and Fishers. No one bats an eye if Avon is second at 93.05 with a 4.15 gap to third
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Post by MarchingBand4Life on Nov 8, 2021 13:34:31 GMT -6
Indy weather forecast is predicting COLD temps for all classes - temps in the 30s and 40s ( real temps, not the other kind). Texas friends need to pack a coat and gloves! And those from Michigan and Minnesota may need your spring jackets. Just a Hoodie. Spring jackets are for rain only. Northern folk go straight from hoodies to parkas. And often times, for teens to wanna deal with the hassle of a coat, it has to be 20 degrees or less, for temp or wind chill.
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Post by Marching Observer on Nov 8, 2021 13:58:16 GMT -6
No predictions in this post. But they'll come later. I did want to let people know that the live blog team will be by the high cam in section 440. Come say hi! We're always happy to meet new people and if it's your first time to GN, give some great tips on how to make the experience the best it can be for you. Looking forward to seeing some of you!
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Post by trumpet300 on Nov 8, 2021 14:22:25 GMT -6
No predictions in this post. But they'll come later. I did want to let people know that the live blog team will be by the high cam in section 440. Come say hi! We're always happy to meet new people and if it's your first time to GN, give some great tips on how to make the experience the best it can be for you. Looking forward to seeing some of you! Where can I follow the live blog?
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Post by BandHomer on Nov 8, 2021 14:22:36 GMT -6
VERY good chance that Avon continues its top 3 run... but I think if Avon and Carmel had each other's performance spot at state finals, then Carmel could have won. Again, just my opinion... so a very good chance it's wrong as well. 😁 I’m not so sure. There are 10 bands and for Class A you don’t have to really manage scores for the top 2. Manage 3-10 and the decide if Avon is slightly better or worse than Carmel and slot them in appropriately. The judges had 4.65 points to play with between Carmel and Fishers. No one bats an eye if Avon is second at 93.05 with a 4.15 gap to third ISSMA and BOA judging are not always (or rarely) in alignment. Avon and Carmel are clearly alone in the top tier in Indiana for now, but are judges really checking their scores for Carmel when scoring Avon to produce a net plus or net minus score? The consensus here was that an early draw works against a school...and we've seen that to be the case in many settings for BOA and state competitions in the past. Carmel and Avon are very very close and BOTH schools will be challenged this week to be in top 3-5.
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Post by banddad85 on Nov 8, 2021 14:23:02 GMT -6
Will the 'HornRank' team be running around with their gear on or has this evolved a bit more? Thanks.
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Post by Jake W. on Nov 8, 2021 14:48:31 GMT -6
Hey all, this is a strictly hypothetical question, but if there were a human somewhere on this planet who couldn’t make it to GN this year but wanted to maybe set up a few days in a row to watch all of prelims, semis, & finals as of it were in real time, would a tech-savvy person be interested in recording all three days of bands in exchange for…oh I don’t know, a good amount of random green slips of paper that have been occasionally known to have value in western society?
Message me if so. Or don’t. Again, it’s just a hypothetical. Did I mention I was asking for a friend?
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Post by hewhowaits on Nov 8, 2021 14:51:06 GMT -6
Will the 'HornRank' team be running around with their gear on or has this evolved a bit more? Thanks. Some may be seen sporting HornRank gear, but some are working Event Staff or volunteering and as such will be wearing the appropriate shirts for their roles. I also expect to see some of them rocking some #TeamTexas paraphernalia during the weekend.
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Post by paddy on Nov 8, 2021 15:37:32 GMT -6
I’m not so sure. There are 10 bands and for Class A you don’t have to really manage scores for the top 2. Manage 3-10 and the decide if Avon is slightly better or worse than Carmel and slot them in appropriately. The judges had 4.65 points to play with between Carmel and Fishers. No one bats an eye if Avon is second at 93.05 with a 4.15 gap to third ISSMA and BOA judging are not always (or rarely) in alignment. Avon and Carmel are clearly alone in the top tier in Indiana for now, but are judges really checking their scores for Carmel when scoring Avon to produce a net plus or net minus score? The consensus here was that an early draw works against a school...and we've seen that to be the case in many settings for BOA and state competitions in the past. Carmel and Avon are very very close and BOTH schools will be challenged this week to be in top 3-5. You are addressing topics that I am not in my post. I didn't say anything to compare BOA and ISSMA. I didn't say that performance order doesn't matter on the whole. I didn't speak at all about how the results of last week might feed into GN placings. I certainly did not say that judges are doing math to come up with a certain net plus or net minus score (whatever that means). I am saying that in this particular instance. performance order likely played less of a role than normal. Judges aren't oblivious to the reality of the landscape in Indiana right now. They didn't have to worry about managing scores because Carmel went first.
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Post by hewhowaits on Nov 8, 2021 16:15:34 GMT -6
Just learned in Event Staff call that all awards ceremonies will be Drum Majors only (possibly guard captains). This includes the Finale. We will not have the bands fill the field and "Break Ranks" will not be happening.
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Post by ilikeguard on Nov 8, 2021 16:44:35 GMT -6
Just learned in Event Staff call that all awards ceremonies will be Drum Majors only (possibly guard captains). This includes the Finale. We will not have the bands fill the field and "Break Ranks" will not be happening. ☹️
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Post by Samuel Culper on Nov 8, 2021 16:44:36 GMT -6
Just learned in Event Staff call that all awards ceremonies will be Drum Majors only (possibly guard captains). This includes the Finale. We will not have the bands fill the field and "Break Ranks" will not be happening. BOOOOO!!!!!!!!
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Post by midwamericanarts on Nov 8, 2021 16:54:36 GMT -6
Just learned in Event Staff call that all awards ceremonies will be Drum Majors only (possibly guard captains). This includes the Finale. We will not have the bands fill the field and "Break Ranks" will not be happening. Which is a bummer, but please tell me that bands will be in the stands or something. Could you imagine being on the bus for awards?
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Post by hewhowaits on Nov 8, 2021 16:56:31 GMT -6
Just learned in Event Staff call that all awards ceremonies will be Drum Majors only (possibly guard captains). This includes the Finale. We will not have the bands fill the field and "Break Ranks" will not be happening. Which is a bummer, but please tell me that bands will be in the stands or something. Could you imagine being on the bus for awards? At all the Regionals and Super Regionals, the bands have been in the stands for awards.
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Post by midwamericanarts on Nov 8, 2021 16:56:33 GMT -6
I’d really love to see something crazy happen with awards and so many fantastic groups in that top tier. What if…?
Prelims 1. Flower Mound 2. Avon 3. Carmel
Finals 1. Broken Arrow 2. Claudia Taylor Johnson 3. Woodlands
This forum would probably break, though.
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Post by Allohak on Nov 8, 2021 17:10:08 GMT -6
I’d really love to see something crazy happen with awards and so many fantastic groups in that top tier. What if…? Prelims 1. Flower Mound 2. Avon 3. Carmel Finals 1. Broken Arrow 2. Claudia Taylor Johnson 3. Woodlands This forum would probably break, though. With this lineup, why stop there? Prelims, Semis, and Finals top 3 could (but probably won't) be 9 different bands
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Post by Shroom on Nov 8, 2021 17:13:31 GMT -6
I’d really love to see something crazy happen with awards and so many fantastic groups in that top tier. What if…? Prelims 1. Flower Mound 2. Avon 3. Carmel Finals 1. Broken Arrow 2. Claudia Taylor Johnson 3. Woodlands This forum would probably break, though. With this lineup, why stop there? Prelims, Semis, and Finals top 3 could (but probably won't) be 9 different bands Probably not 9, but I probably see like 6 or 7 switching between the top three because of how this year is
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Post by banddad85 on Nov 8, 2021 17:13:39 GMT -6
Just learned in Event Staff call that all awards ceremonies will be Drum Majors only (possibly guard captains). This includes the Finale. We will not have the bands fill the field and "Break Ranks" will not be happening. One of the most backwards decisions that they could have made unless they fear being sued by some overly litigious band parent or 'sensitive' idiot who showed up to an indoor facility with thousands of strangers & somehow ends up living in fear or contracting COVID (whether in reality or not) as a result. I think this is the end of the Grand Finale. It probably will not come back for a long time, if ever. Just by holding an event like this, if someone wants to file a suit, they will anyway. Kids on the field or not (which they are for .. lol like 3 days or so) won't make any difference. What a letdown. Bad move. Hopefully at least it means that they cut down on the college exhibition bands this time around. They're virtually worthless to begin with. Wouldn't want them around any of the drum majors who also interact with each other and hundreds of other band members and staff. Hopefully this also means that the judges are not on the field either. Wouldn't want to see them get infected or infect any student who in turn infects the crowd who in turn infects Kevin, the GN Trophy. What a wacko decision. It dovetails quite nicely with where we're at in this country. Nothing makes sense now. Will Kevin be wearing a mask? More importantly, is Kevin vaccinated? ?
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Post by thewho on Nov 8, 2021 17:32:39 GMT -6
This is a general PSA to all wanting to post in the thread beyond this point.
I understand the disappointment in not having the mass, but in light of the general political sentiment today and the fact we are about to begin GN in 3 days, I very much heavily discourage any discussion over the retreat in this thread.
This isn't directed towards anybody at all. The mods and I've seen enough of this to know where it'll lead eventually.
The decision is final. Roll with it.
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Post by Marching Observer on Nov 8, 2021 17:43:39 GMT -6
No predictions in this post. But they'll come later. I did want to let people know that the live blog team will be by the high cam in section 440. Come say hi! We're always happy to meet new people and if it's your first time to GN, give some great tips on how to make the experience the best it can be for you. Looking forward to seeing some of you! Where can I follow the live blog? The best way to get to it is by going to www.txbands.com There, they will have it all setup.
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Post by trumpette123 on Nov 8, 2021 17:53:56 GMT -6
After watching Flower Mound at state prelims just now, I’ll be so upset if they don’t win the General Effect award at nationals.
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