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Post by ohioguy2 on Jul 21, 2022 14:26:56 GMT -6
AAALakota East H.S., OH AAAALakota West H.S., OH Both Lakota schools will be well over 2,000 students in grades 10-12 this year, and will be comfortably in AAAA. Hamilton is also bigger than both Lakota schools and will also be AAAA.
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Post by yayband914 on Jul 21, 2022 14:34:04 GMT -6
AAALakota East H.S., OH AAAALakota West H.S., OH Both Lakota schools will be well over 2,000 students in grades 10-12 this year, and will be comfortably in AAAA. Really? According to the OMEA website, Lakota West is at 1,875 students in Grades 10-12, barely qualifying them for AAAA. Lakota East is at 1,814, barely keeping them in AAA. I would imagine the district knows this and is why they are competing at the same show for what I believe is the first time ever, at least in BOA. It looks like they will both comfortably be in AAAA next year. “Well over” 2,000 students doesn’t mean much now that the AAA cutoff is 1,850.
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Post by yayband914 on Jul 21, 2022 14:36:51 GMT -6
AAALakota East H.S., OH AAAALakota West H.S., OH Both Lakota schools will be well over 2,000 students in grades 10-12 this year, and will be comfortably in AAAA. Hamilton is also bigger than both Lakota schools and will also be AAAA. Hamilton was a mis-mark, thank you!
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Post by ohioguy2 on Jul 21, 2022 15:47:08 GMT -6
Both Lakota schools will be well over 2,000 students in grades 10-12 this year, and will be comfortably in AAAA. Really? According to the OMEA website, Lakota West is at 1,875 students in Grades 10-12, barely qualifying them for AAAA. Lakota East is at 1,814, barely keeping them in AAA. I would imagine the district knows this and is why they are competing at the same show for what I believe is the first time ever, at least in BOA. It looks like they will both comfortably be in AAAA next year. “Well over” 2,000 students doesn’t mean much now that the AAA cutoff is 1,850. OMEA is not a reliable source for this information. This past fall, every school in Ohio had to report how many students they had in grades 9-11 in their building at that exact moment. It’s what the Ohio High School Athletic Association uses to determine classification, since they have to do it more in advance than an organization like BOA does. Those students in grades 9-11 will be in grades 10-12 this coming year and therefore are the exact students BOA will be using for classification. This information was verified and certified just a few months ago and can be found at www.ohsaa.org/school-resources/school-enrollment. As you can see, Lakota East self-reported 2051 students in grades 9-11 last year and Lakota West reported 2091. As I said, both will be comfortably in AAAA next year.
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Post by ohioguy2 on Jul 21, 2022 15:56:02 GMT -6
Both Lakota schools will be well over 2,000 students in grades 10-12 this year, and will be comfortably in AAAA. Really? According to the OMEA website, Lakota West is at 1,875 students in Grades 10-12, barely qualifying them for AAAA. Lakota East is at 1,814, barely keeping them in AAA. I would imagine the district knows this and is why they are competing at the same show for what I believe is the first time ever, at least in BOA. It looks like they will both comfortably be in AAAA next year. “Well over” 2,000 students doesn’t mean much now that the AAA cutoff is 1,850. In addition, Lakota West and Lakota East have competed against each other twice recently, and in both instances they were in the same class and competed directly against each other. Both competed in Class AAAA at the 2018 Indianapolis Regional, and in 2021, both groups competed in Class AA at the OMEA Buckeye Invitational at The Ohio State University. In both instances, Lakota East finished ahead.
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Post by Marching Observer on Jul 21, 2022 15:58:23 GMT -6
I see that you're going to assume that Homestead does end up in AAA. We'll know for sure come Toledo. That's going to be quite the battle for once in a long time. I agree with the earlier sentiment that this is one of the most balanced classes across the board as well.
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Post by Marching Observer on Jul 21, 2022 16:02:40 GMT -6
As for the Lakota conversation, only .3 separated them at the Indy super in 18. These bands are both surprisingly and continuously evenly matched even if LE normally pulls just slightly ahead those two times. I always look forward to both bands these days and really enjoyed both last year thinking it was honestly the best they've ever been.
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Post by ohioguy2 on Jul 21, 2022 16:04:19 GMT -6
As for the Lakota conversation, only .3 separated them at the Indy super in 18. These bands are both surprisingly and continuously evenly matched even if LE normally pulls just slightly ahead those two times. I always look forward to both bands these days and really enjoyed both last year thinking it was honestly the best they've ever been. Agreed. Only .45 separated them at the Ohio State show this past year as well.
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Post by dba10 on Jul 21, 2022 17:13:15 GMT -6
Anyone ready to pull some pre-season predictions? I always love to see early predictions and how they are either proven mostly right or really wrong as the season progresses.
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Post by 50fly on Jul 21, 2022 17:44:47 GMT -6
Anyone ready to pull some pre-season predictions? I always love to see early predictions and how they are either proven mostly right or really wrong as the season progresses. Avon, Broken Arrow, Carmel top 3. Will Broken Arrow 2-peat? Will Carmel get title number 6, putting them 1 away from Marian’s record? My money is on Avon taking title 4, finally after 12 years. Tarpon, Mason and Dobyns rounding out the top 6. At least 1 Texas band makes finals. Fishers or Brownsburg makes finals. Fishers seems to have the momentum from previous years. I could see 5-6 Indiana bands in finals. Avon and Carmel as locks. Homestead likely, and Castle and Fishers right there. Brownsburg and Lawrence Township as dark horses. A previous long time finalist makes a return to Saturday night. Will it be Centerville, Marian Catholic, Kiski, Plymouth, Lawrence Township? O’Fallon is unlucky number 13. Expecting great finishes from the 3 TX bands, American Fork, North Hardin, both Lakotas, Rosemount, Mustang, Lincoln Way. And of course, team Texas will say that it doesn’t matter because whoever won San Antonio would have swept on finals night 😂
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Post by lostchoirguy on Jul 21, 2022 21:06:35 GMT -6
I see four Texas bands on the list. Is one of them not actually going?
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Post by Marching Observer on Jul 21, 2022 22:22:50 GMT -6
I see four Texas bands on the list. Is one of them not actually going? 7 Lakes had to drop a few weeks ago. So the list is accurate in regards to the Texas bands coming.
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Post by Allohak on Jul 22, 2022 8:20:33 GMT -6
I see four Texas bands on the list. Is one of them not actually going? 7 Lakes had to drop a few weeks ago. So the list is accurate in regards to the Texas bands coming. Still 4: Hendrickson M&G Johnson Prosper Southlake Carroll
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Post by paddy on Jul 22, 2022 9:11:17 GMT -6
I see that you're going to assume that Homestead does end up in AAA. We'll know for sure come Toledo. That's going to be quite the battle for once in a long time. I agree with the earlier sentiment that this is one of the most balanced classes across the board as well. I have Homestead at 1,926 using the most recent DOE numbers. They would need a big drop to get to 1850.
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Post by 50fly on Jul 22, 2022 9:24:41 GMT -6
I see four Texas bands on the list. Is one of them not actually going? 7 Lakes had to drop a few weeks ago. So the list is accurate in regards to the Texas bands coming. Ahhh yes, sorry, I confused Seven Lakes with Southlake and thought the list had not been updated.
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Post by yayband914 on Jul 22, 2022 10:13:04 GMT -6
I see that you're going to assume that Homestead does end up in AAA. We'll know for sure come Toledo. That's going to be quite the battle for once in a long time. I agree with the earlier sentiment that this is one of the most balanced classes across the board as well. I have Homestead at 1,926 using the most recent DOE numbers. They would need a big drop to get to 1850. Thank you! In theory, we should know everyone’s classifications once CompetitionSuite updates their database. Not sure when that usually is, but I would imagine at least a couple weeks before the first weekend of competitions.
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Post by philodemus on Jul 22, 2022 10:25:28 GMT -6
So... Kentuckian interested in Kentucky things...
Other than Archbishop Alter, any groups on this list that could challenge our Commonwealth for it's Class A crown?
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Post by yayband914 on Jul 22, 2022 10:35:58 GMT -6
So... Kentuckian interested in Kentucky things... Other than Archbishop Alter, any groups on this list that could challenge our Commonwealth for it's Class A crown? No.
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Post by ohioguy2 on Jul 22, 2022 10:53:43 GMT -6
So... Kentuckian interested in Kentucky things... Other than Archbishop Alter, any groups on this list that could challenge our Commonwealth for it's Class A crown? While the answer is “probably not,” one band that not many people on this board have probably heard of that could make some noise is Finneytown. Finneytown has been a very solid program in the Cincinnati area for quite some time, but for decades only competed in the OMEA circuit so no one outside of OMEA ever saw them. However, they have really modernized their design in the past few years and they have a very large band by class A standards. They compete in Class AAAA in MSBA, which is the second largest class by band size. This past year they finished second overall at the MSBA Class AAAA Championships. If they continue to go the direction they’ve been going the past few years, they could definitely be a contender in Class A.
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Post by philodemus on Jul 22, 2022 11:36:29 GMT -6
So... Kentuckian interested in Kentucky things... Other than Archbishop Alter, any groups on this list that could challenge our Commonwealth for it's Class A crown? While the answer is “probably not,” one band that not many people on this board have probably heard of that could make some noise is Finneytown. Finneytown has been a very solid program in the Cincinnati area for quite some time, but for decades only competed in the OMEA circuit so no one outside of OMEA ever saw them. However, they have really modernized their design in the past few years and they have a very large band by class A standards. They compete in Class AAAA in MSBA, which is the second largest class by band size. This past year they finished second overall at the MSBA Class AAAA Championships. If they continue to go the direction they’ve been going the past few years, they could definitely be a contender in Class A. Found a video... they're solid! Would probably need to grow a bit, but hey, Alter isn't that large, either.
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Post by neop on Jul 22, 2022 11:56:35 GMT -6
So... Kentuckian interested in Kentucky things... Other than Archbishop Alter, any groups on this list that could challenge our Commonwealth for it's Class A crown? While the answer is “probably not,” one band that not many people on this board have probably heard of that could make some noise is Finneytown. Finneytown has been a very solid program in the Cincinnati area for quite some time, but for decades only competed in the OMEA circuit so no one outside of OMEA ever saw them. However, they have really modernized their design in the past few years and they have a very large band by class A standards. They compete in Class AAAA in MSBA, which is the second largest class by band size. This past year they finished second overall at the MSBA Class AAAA Championships. If they continue to go the direction they’ve been going the past few years, they could definitely be a contender in Class A. Finneytown! They've been impressing me in the OMEA circuit ever since I've followed it. So excited to see how they do in BOA. You are absolutely correct that they could make some waves in the near future.
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Post by dbalash on Jul 22, 2022 14:34:04 GMT -6
Newberry, FL is also attending, and they will be Class A as well - 18th in Orlando last year, so probably not a chance.
The big question is...what the hell class will Marian be in? I think this is going to be a question year in and year out, as their website says 865 for last year, with IHSA coming in at 967 (now with a 2 year gap before they'll update). Extrapolate it out, and they'll be close based on average class size.
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Post by Marching Observer on Jul 22, 2022 16:04:07 GMT -6
I have Homestead at 1,926 using the most recent DOE numbers. They would need a big drop to get to 1850. Thank you! In theory, we should know everyone’s classifications once CompetitionSuite updates their database. Not sure when that usually is, but I would imagine at least a couple weeks before the first weekend of competitions. One can hope. But hey, we got the preliminary lists out sooner so there is a definite chance! And yeah, I see Homestead more at the AAAA side, but I could still hope haha
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Post by Marching Observer on Jul 22, 2022 16:05:39 GMT -6
So... Kentuckian interested in Kentucky things... Other than Archbishop Alter, any groups on this list that could challenge our Commonwealth for it's Class A crown? Norton could possibly if they are able to recover still. They have been solid and competitive before and clearly COVID affected them. I thought they were still pretty good last year so let's hope for some more improvement!
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Post by detroitrockcity on Jul 23, 2022 19:29:35 GMT -6
I believe the list with the classifications has Johnson and Hendrickson mixed up. Hendrickson is AAA and Johnson is AAAA. Hendrickson is in 5A again in UIL and Johnson has moved up to 6A.
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Post by realjsnacks on Jul 23, 2022 20:03:20 GMT -6
I believe the list with the classifications has Johnson and Hendrickson mixed up. Hendrickson is AAA and Johnson is AAAA. Hendrickson is in 5A again in UIL and Johnson has moved up to 6A. UIL classifications are different from BOA classifications. BOA uses 10-12 enrollment to determine classes, and only uses four classes. So yes, in UIL, Hendrickson and Johnson are 5A and 6A respectively, but in BOA, using their classification system, they are AAA and AAAA respectively. Hope this helps!
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Post by elsie on Jul 23, 2022 21:07:08 GMT -6
It is unusual but 6A bands have fallen under AAA Classification before! (Hays, Vista Ridge, Leander, Hendrickson) this does not apply this season for Johnson or Hendrickson I do not think
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Post by yayband914 on Jul 25, 2022 8:40:41 GMT -6
It is unusual but 6A bands have fallen under AAA Classification before! (Hays, Vista Ridge, Leander, Hendrickson) this does not apply this season for Johnson or Hendrickson I do not think Hendrickson will be AAA this year. Johnson will be AAAA (I was mistaken when I said the latter would be AAA.)
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Post by ohioguy2 on Jul 30, 2022 9:17:25 GMT -6
Lake Hamilton has traditionally been a AA school. I imagine they will be there again this year. They are listed in AAAA here.
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Post by yayband914 on Jul 30, 2022 9:38:26 GMT -6
Lake Hamilton has traditionally been a AA school. I imagine they will be there again this year. They are listed in AAAA here. Thanks. Definitely a mismark! When you label hundreds of schools at once, ya know…? 🤪
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