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Post by paddy on Nov 14, 2021 11:08:26 GMT -6
Came back to this thread to say I think some of the judges were watching a completely different show this weekend. Some of these scores I am seeing for multiple semifinalist bands are ridiculous!!!! Rockford in 29th? I get the visual aspect of the show and the theme may not have made the most sense, but that is kinda confusing why they got placed that low. Especially behind Plymouth Canton who they beat by a decent amount for the MCBA Flight 1 state championship this year. I am a big Jenison fan and they had a great weekend, but I am kinda shocked they beat both Rockford and Plymouth as they are smaller and are in class 2A. Tarpon Springs has won Grand Nats as a 2A band. It’s not all about size. I didn’t see, but I’m sure all 3 had great shows! FWIW: Jenison was ahead of Rockford and PCEP in prelims and semi finals, the gap in semis (which to me was the better judge since they played right after each other) was slightly larger. Tarpon Sorings is a performing arts magnet school in a pretty wealthy district with 30,000 kids. Them being in 2A is a bit misleading. From a band size perspective, PCEP has about 135, Jenison 173 and Rockford 208. While there will always be examples of smaller schools punching above their weight class, on the whole, big schools have advantages. More kids to recruit from, more resources to draw from, bigger communities (more businesses, more philanthropy, more potential fundraising customers) to support them.
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Post by westlakeutbanddad on Nov 14, 2021 12:42:25 GMT -6
Would some of you more experienced with BOA placements answer a question for me? (And I in no way mean this as in insult to any band.) With Morton placing 6th in AA during prelims (according to the results on MFA), why were they given a place in semis? Both Miamisburg and Lake Hamilton finished above them and were not semis. None of the three were in the top 11 of their panel and none of them finished in the next 8 by score, though Miamisburg was on a .2 off of "30th" place Murray. When you look at the rules they say, " The two (2) highest scoring Bands from each of the four classes from each Prelims, should they not
already be among the Bands selected based on criteria a. and b. above, will advance."
For A that would be Murray (already in by score) and Bourbon County as the top two, so that just adds Bourbon County as "top 2." Both Signal Mountain and Archbishop Alter, 3rd and 4th respectively in prelims for A, were invited into semis, which is fine except it says only the "top 2" from each place and it seems that it would be weird to have trophies for the 3 places and not invite at least those 3 out. Was Archbishop Alter invited into semis because it was possible they'd receive a caption, as I believe they had the highest GE or visual score in prelims among Class A -- and they did eventual place 2nd in their class?
As for AA, you obviously have Norwin, Marian Catholic and Jenison, with Norwin and Jenison making it in on top 11 for panel 2, and Marian Catholic among the "next 8," but why were any other AA bands invited to semis at all and if more are invited to semis, why not Miamisburg, which finished 4th in AA during prelims?
As I said, just a logistical question, not a knock on any of the bands.
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Post by trumpet300 on Nov 14, 2021 13:05:12 GMT -6
Would some of you more experienced with BOA placements answer a question for me? (And I in no way mean this as in insult to any band.) With Morton placing 6th in AA during prelims (according to the results on MFA), why were they given a place in semis? Both Miamisburg and Lake Hamilton finished above them and were not semis. None of the three were in the top 11 of their panel and none of them finished in the next 8 by score, though Miamisburg was on a .2 off of "30th" place Murray. When you look at the rules they say, " The two (2) highest scoring Bands from each of the four classes from each Prelims, should they not already be among the Bands selected based on criteria a. and b. above, will advance." For A that would be Murray (already in by score) and Bourbon County as the top two, so that just adds Bourbon County as "top 2." Both Signal Mountain and Archbishop Alter, 3rd and 4th respectively in prelims for A, were invited into semis, which is fine except it says only the "top 2" from each place and it seems that it would be weird to have trophies for the 3 places and not invite at least those 3 out. Was Archbishop Alter invited into semis because it was possible they'd receive a caption, as I believe they had the highest GE or visual score in prelims among Class A -- and they did eventual place 2nd in their class? As for AA, you obviously have Norwin, Marian Catholic and Jenison, with Norwin and Jenison making it in on top 11 for panel 2, and Marian Catholic among the "next 8," but why were any other AA bands invited to semis at all and if more are invited to semis, why not Miamisburg, which finished 4th in AA during prelims? As I said, just a logistical question, not a knock on any of the bands. I would assume because Morton was the next highest place on the other panel. Norwin and jenison were from panel 2 and Marian and Morton were panel 1. Miamisburg was panel 2 but there were already 2 double a bands in semis from panel 2(norwin and jenison) Also, Norwin made top 11 in their panel but jenison did not.I think that is a mistake...they were in the Next 8.
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Post by mtnxdrew on Nov 14, 2021 13:28:29 GMT -6
Would some of you more experienced with BOA placements answer a question for me? (And I in no way mean this as in insult to any band.) With Morton placing 6th in AA during prelims (according to the results on MFA), why were they given a place in semis? Both Miamisburg and Lake Hamilton finished above them and were not semis. None of the three were in the top 11 of their panel and none of them finished in the next 8 by score, though Miamisburg was on a .2 off of "30th" place Murray. When you look at the rules they say, " The two (2) highest scoring Bands from each of the four classes from each Prelims, should they not already be among the Bands selected based on criteria a. and b. above, will advance." For A that would be Murray (already in by score) and Bourbon County as the top two, so that just adds Bourbon County as "top 2." Both Signal Mountain and Archbishop Alter, 3rd and 4th respectively in prelims for A, were invited into semis, which is fine except it says only the "top 2" from each place and it seems that it would be weird to have trophies for the 3 places and not invite at least those 3 out. Was Archbishop Alter invited into semis because it was possible they'd receive a caption, as I believe they had the highest GE or visual score in prelims among Class A -- and they did eventual place 2nd in their class? As for AA, you obviously have Norwin, Marian Catholic and Jenison, with Norwin and Jenison making it in on top 11 for panel 2, and Marian Catholic among the "next 8," but why were any other AA bands invited to semis at all and if more are invited to semis, why not Miamisburg, which finished 4th in AA during prelims? As I said, just a logistical question, not a knock on any of the bands. I would assume because Morton was the next highest place on the other panel. Norwin and jenison were from panel 2 and Marian and Morton were panel 1. Miamisburg was panel 2 but there were already 2 double a bands in semis from panel 2(norwin and jenison) Also, Norwin made top 11 in their panel but jenison did not.I think that is a mistake...they were in the Next 8. Jenison was 11th in panel 2, however when it came to determining the top 22/next 8, they fell into the next 8 Correct about Morton. They didn’t make it in by score, however they were the 2nd best AA band in Panel 1, and there has to be at least 2 bands from each class from each panel in semis Hopefully that helps
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Post by trumpet300 on Nov 14, 2021 13:34:23 GMT -6
I would assume because Morton was the next highest place on the other panel. Norwin and jenison were from panel 2 and Marian and Morton were panel 1. Miamisburg was panel 2 but there were already 2 double a bands in semis from panel 2(norwin and jenison) Also, Norwin made top 11 in their panel but jenison did not.I think that is a mistake...they were in the Next 8. Jenison was 11th in panel 2, however when it came to determining the top 22/next 8, they fell into the next 8 Correct about Morton. They didn’t make it in by score, however they were the 2nd best AA band in Panel 1, and there has to be at least 2 bands from each class from each panel in semis Hopefully that helps I could be totally wrong but if Jenison was in the top 11...they wouldn't have been in the next 8 right? If they were top 11 then they should have made top 22 which is why I thought it was a mistake.
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Post by mtnxdrew on Nov 14, 2021 13:37:41 GMT -6
Jenison was 11th in panel 2, however when it came to determining the top 22/next 8, they fell into the next 8 Correct about Morton. They didn’t make it in by score, however they were the 2nd best AA band in Panel 1, and there has to be at least 2 bands from each class from each panel in semis Hopefully that helps I could be totally wrong but if Jenison was in the top 11...they wouldn't have been in the next 8 right? If they were top 11 then they should have made top 22 which is why I thought it was a mistake. They were 11th in their panel which got them in, however when determining the middle 22 performance times, they take the top 22 scores. Rarely does it happen when the middle 22 is 11 from each panel. Sometimes it’s 13 and 9, or 12 and 10, etc
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Post by hewhowaits on Nov 14, 2021 14:27:08 GMT -6
The top 22 vs. top 11 each panel confuses people every year (because 11+11=22). If it was top 10 each panel vs. top 22, I might be less confusing.
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Post by ohioguy2 on Nov 14, 2021 16:40:25 GMT -6
Jenison was 11th in panel 2, however when it came to determining the top 22/next 8, they fell into the next 8 Correct about Morton. They didn’t make it in by score, however they were the 2nd best AA band in Panel 1, and there has to be at least 2 bands from each class from each panel in semis Hopefully that helps I could be totally wrong but if Jenison was in the top 11...they wouldn't have been in the next 8 right? If they were top 11 then they should have made top 22 which is why I thought it was a mistake. The 11/11/8 thing is only to determine who makes the top 30. Once the top 30 is established, 11/11/8 goes out the window. Take the top 30 and rank them 1-30, regardless of panel. The top 22 go in those spots.
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Post by westlakeutbanddad on Nov 14, 2021 17:54:56 GMT -6
Would some of you more experienced with BOA placements answer a question for me? (And I in no way mean this as in insult to any band.) With Morton placing 6th in AA during prelims (according to the results on MFA), why were they given a place in semis? Both Miamisburg and Lake Hamilton finished above them and were not semis. None of the three were in the top 11 of their panel and none of them finished in the next 8 by score, though Miamisburg was on a .2 off of "30th" place Murray. When you look at the rules they say, " The two (2) highest scoring Bands from each of the four classes from each Prelims, should they not already be among the Bands selected based on criteria a. and b. above, will advance." For A that would be Murray (already in by score) and Bourbon County as the top two, so that just adds Bourbon County as "top 2." Both Signal Mountain and Archbishop Alter, 3rd and 4th respectively in prelims for A, were invited into semis, which is fine except it says only the "top 2" from each place and it seems that it would be weird to have trophies for the 3 places and not invite at least those 3 out. Was Archbishop Alter invited into semis because it was possible they'd receive a caption, as I believe they had the highest GE or visual score in prelims among Class A -- and they did eventual place 2nd in their class? As for AA, you obviously have Norwin, Marian Catholic and Jenison, with Norwin and Jenison making it in on top 11 for panel 2, and Marian Catholic among the "next 8," but why were any other AA bands invited to semis at all and if more are invited to semis, why not Miamisburg, which finished 4th in AA during prelims? As I said, just a logistical question, not a knock on any of the bands. I would assume because Morton was the next highest place on the other panel. Norwin and jenison were from panel 2 and Marian and Morton were panel 1. Miamisburg was panel 2 but there were already 2 double a bands in semis from panel 2(norwin and jenison) Also, Norwin made top 11 in their panel but jenison did not.I think that is a mistake...they were in the Next 8. Jenison was 11th in Panel 2 according to the results on MFA.
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Post by westlakeutbanddad on Nov 14, 2021 17:59:08 GMT -6
I would assume because Morton was the next highest place on the other panel. Norwin and jenison were from panel 2 and Marian and Morton were panel 1. Miamisburg was panel 2 but there were already 2 double a bands in semis from panel 2(norwin and jenison) Also, Norwin made top 11 in their panel but jenison did not.I think that is a mistake...they were in the Next 8. Jenison was 11th in Panel 2 according to the results on MFA. Ok, just re-read it…top two in each prelim…
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Post by hewhowaits on Nov 15, 2021 10:56:29 GMT -6
Wando (90.55) became the first band to score over 90 in semifinals and miss finals. The previous high was Centerville with 89.85 in 2007.
The 0.05 gap to the last finalist band ties Grenada (MS) in 1988 as the closest call (since 1985 - I don't have all the numbers before that).
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Post by supersound on Nov 15, 2021 11:04:28 GMT -6
Wando (90.55) became the first band to score over 90 in semifinals and miss finals. The previous high was Centerville with 89.85 in 2007. The 0.05 gap to the last finalist band ties Grenada (MS) in 1988 as the closest call (since 1985 - I don't have all the numbers before that). That breaks the overall record which used to be L.D. Bell at SA 2017, they had an 90.25 in 15th place.
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Post by marimba11 on Nov 15, 2021 12:00:08 GMT -6
I still feel so bad for Wando (it was so close), but it is nice to know they pretty much made it - scoring is subjective. With that said when I saw their performance Saturday morning, I had a hunch they wouldn't make. Musically it was great, but visually some issues still.
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Post by trumpet300 on Nov 17, 2021 9:36:47 GMT -6
The class A win by Murray is their 2nd class title, 44 years after their first. That is the largest gap between class titles. Norwin won three Open Class titles; 1981, 1982, 1984. So this is their 4th GN class title, first in AA. This 37 year gap between class titles is the 2nd largest. This is class AAA title number two for Dobyns-Bennett. Their 1st was 2018. This is the third Class 4A title for Broken Arrow. 2011 and 2014 were the other two. Just saw this post...they were announcing at Nats the Norwin was 4 time national class champion already so I believe this is 5...I will do a little research to be sure
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Post by trumpet300 on Nov 18, 2021 21:47:00 GMT -6
Anyone have a link to Marians show by any chance? I know Box5 is cracking down on that stuff but if someone has one and could message it to me I'd appreciate it!
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Post by trumpet300 on Dec 16, 2021 17:49:11 GMT -6
Anyone have a link to Marians show by any chance? I know Box5 is cracking down on that stuff but if someone has one and could message it to me I'd appreciate it! Bumping this...send me a message if you have it! Would really appreciate it!!
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