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Post by cinnamonpromenade on Oct 4, 2022 17:28:15 GMT -6
Prediction time... 1. Kiski Area, PA 2. James Madison, VA 3. Thomas Jefferson, VA 4. Rock Ridge, VA 5. Mill Creek, GA 6. Independence, VA 7. West Genesee, NY 8. Baldwinsville, NY 9. Fort Mill, SC 10. Green Hope, NC 11. Lightridge, VA 12. Trumbull, CT Given how many of these groups: - Haven't received a score yet this season (due to weather and/or hosting home shows) - Compete in different circuits (USBands, VMBC, NYSFBC, NJMBDA, TOB, Cavalcade of Bands, PIMBA, and non-circuit sanctioned shows) - Were more greatly affected by the pandemic in 2020 and 2021 than other regions' bands - Are historically up and down in terms of competitive consistency , trying to predict these results is insane I feel like the prelims spread between 6th and 21st will be <7 points... seems like so many of these bands may be roughly in the same neighborhood. Curious to see how it all pans out! It's very hard to imagine Fort Mill out of the top 5 here. Normally I'd agree, but per reasons marimba11 just cited, I don't think their spot in the top half is guaranteed. That being said, I probably AM overvaluing the Virginia and New York groups quite a bit. Maybe I'm willing this into existence. Virginia groups have been on the rise for years now; a huge competitive splash seems inevitable. If it's not this year, then surely in the next 1-3 years. And I think this is a banner year for New York groups. West Genesee has made some major staff shifts for this season, leading to the most modern show design they've ever had. Baldwinsville has been bold in their design choices for the past decade (if not longer), but I don't believe they've participated in BOA since the mid-2000s. I would love to see these groups rewarded on a national scale; it would only embolden them and their local competitors (i.e., Liverpool, Cicero-North Syracuse, Arlington, Victor) to continue to innovate. Will Ft. Mill do better than most of these groups? It's more likely than not. But hey, anything can happen...
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Post by yayband914 on Oct 4, 2022 20:38:32 GMT -6
OFFICIAL PRELIMS SCHEDULE AS OF 09/13/2022
7:45 - Susquehannock H.S., PA 8:00 - South County H.S., VA 8:15 - Cab Calloway School of the Arts H.S., DE 8:30 - Bridgewater-Raritan H.S., NJ 8:45 - Dominion H.S., VA 9:00 - Cumberland Valley H.S., PA
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9:45 - Thomas Jefferson H.S., VA 10:00 - West Genesee H.S., NY 10:15 - Mechanicsburg Area H.S., PA 10:30 - Westfield H.S., NJ 10:45 - Mt. Lebanon H.S., PA 11:00 - Rock Ridge H.S., VA 11:15 - Hempfield H.S., PA 11:30 - Freedom H.S., VA
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12:15 - Lightridge H.S., VA 12:30 - Mill Creek H.S., GA 12:45 - Urbana H.S., MD 1:00 - John Champe H.S., VA 1:15 - Spring-Ford H.S., PA 1:30 - Trumbull H.S., CT 1:45 - Edison H.S., NJ
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2:15 - Boyertown Area H.S., PA 2:30 - Unionville H.S., PA 2:45 - James Madison H.S., VA 3:00 - Fort Mill H.S., SC 3:15 - Baldwinsville H.S., NY 3:30 - Independence H.S., VA 3:45 - Green Hope H.S., NC 4:00 - Kiski Area H.S., PA
4:15 - EXH: University of Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens Marching Band
AA Cab Calloway School of the Arts, DE Dominion H.S., VA Independence H.S., VA John Champe H.S., VA Kiski Area H.S., PA Lightridge H.S., VA Mechanicsburg Area Senior H.S., PA Rock Ridge H.S., VA Susquehannock H.S., PA Unionville H.S., PA West Genesee H.S., NY
AAA Boyertown Area Senior H.S., PA Edison H.S., NJ Fort Mill H.S., SC Freedom H.S., VA Green Hope H.S., NC Hempfield H.S., PA James Madison H.S., VA Mt. Lebanon H.S., PA South County H.S., VA Thomas Jefferson H.S., VA Trumbull H.S., CT Urbana H.S., MD Westfield H.S., NJ
AAAA Baldwinsville H.S., NY Bridgewater-Raritan H.S., NJ Cumberland Valley H.S., PA Mill Creek H.S., GA Spring-Ford H.S., PA
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Post by es203 on Oct 4, 2022 21:01:21 GMT -6
Whoever wins, I have to say it is super encouraging to see 29 bands signed up here. The interest is there if BOA is able to get a good venue, I hope this will domino effect into some more northeastern/mid Atlantic regionals in the future.
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Post by trumpet300 on Oct 4, 2022 21:33:49 GMT -6
Whoever wins, I have to say it is super encouraging to see 29 bands signed up here. The interest is there if BOA is able to get a good venue, I hope this will domino effect into some more northeastern/mid Atlantic regionals in the future. Venue definitely matters...Delaware is great...Maryland not so much
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Post by fantasticalcloud on Oct 5, 2022 5:54:58 GMT -6
It's very hard to imagine Fort Mill out of the top 5 here. Under normal circumstances I’d agree, but only the senior class has ever been to a BOA regional and the last one they placed 6th. Granted a pretty stacked Powder Springs. I guess st George too. They’ve been through a lot in the past 4 years, director/ staff changes, school split with CR, and a pretty covid adverse response in 2020. Thinking this is still a rebuilding year but happy to hear they did pretty well at the Low Country Invitational two weeks ago. I think that it’s actually hard to see them out of top 3 here. I’ve seen some videos (sent to me by the senior class) and all I can say is that they are getting drastically better every day. Powder Springs was an interesting competition in 2019 as if they had a second run, I have a theory that they could’ve jumped 3 spots. Utah, one judge happened to not like their show and put them in last for music effect (causing them to get 4th instead of 2nd/3rd). This year is going to be good for them
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Post by fantasticalcloud on Oct 5, 2022 6:00:02 GMT -6
Here’s my prediction for overall placement regardless of class as of Prelims: 1.) Kiski Area High School 2.) Fort Mill High School 3.) Mill Creek High School 4.) James Madison High School 5.) Thomas Jefferson High School 6.) Rock Ridge High School 7.) Independence High School 8.) Green Hope High School 9.) West Genesee High School 10.) Baldinswinville High School 11.) Lightridge High School 12.) Trumbull High School
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Post by cornet on Oct 5, 2022 8:29:48 GMT -6
Here’s my prediction for overall placement regardless of class as of Prelims: 1.) Kiski Area High School 2.) Fort Mill High School 3.) Mill Creek High School 4.) James Madison High School 5.) Thomas Jefferson High School 6.) Rock Ridge High School 7.) Independence High School 8.) Green Hope High School 9.) West Genesee High School 10.) Baldinswinville High School 11.) Lightridge High School 12.) Trumbull High School This is close to what I think. Pre-split Green Hope would have waltzed into the top 5 but I'm curious how they do now with a much smaller unit. I do think Thomas Jefferson at a minimum tops them.
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Post by es203 on Oct 5, 2022 8:50:16 GMT -6
Here’s my prediction for overall placement regardless of class as of Prelims: 1.) Kiski Area High School 2.) Fort Mill High School 3.) Mill Creek High School 4.) James Madison High School 5.) Thomas Jefferson High School 6.) Rock Ridge High School 7.) Independence High School 8.) Green Hope High School 9.) West Genesee High School 10.) Baldinswinville High School 11.) Lightridge High School 12.) Trumbull High School This is close to what I think. Pre-split Green Hope would have waltzed into the top 5 but I'm curious how they do now with a much smaller unit. I do think Thomas Jefferson at a minimum tops them. Speaking of that, has anyone seen videos of them or Panther Creek? Have they gotten any larger than last year?
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Post by cornet on Oct 5, 2022 8:53:56 GMT -6
This is close to what I think. Pre-split Green Hope would have waltzed into the top 5 but I'm curious how they do now with a much smaller unit. I do think Thomas Jefferson at a minimum tops them. Speaking of that, has anyone seen videos of them or Panther Creek? Have they gotten any larger than last year? I haven't seen them but Green Hope was 5 points behind Green Level which is quite a bit this early. Per the Panther Creek Program GH is slightly larger (85ish) and Panther Creek is I think slightly smaller (110ish). Five years or so ago they were at about 190 and 210 respectively.
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Post by cornet on Oct 5, 2022 9:07:18 GMT -6
Actually you can find videos of Panther Creek and Green Hope on YouTube from the Panther Creek Invitational. Both shows clearly unfinished Green Hope no props not sure if there will be any later. Really impossible to tell from amateur YouTube videos but The Panther Creek show sounded a little rough to me while I thought green hope sounded a little sharper but Panther Creeks production was much more robust.
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Post by marimba11 on Oct 5, 2022 12:40:32 GMT -6
Under normal circumstances I’d agree, but only the senior class has ever been to a BOA regional and the last one they placed 6th. Granted a pretty stacked Powder Springs. I guess st George too. They’ve been through a lot in the past 4 years, director/ staff changes, school split with CR, and a pretty covid adverse response in 2020. Thinking this is still a rebuilding year but happy to hear they did pretty well at the Low Country Invitational two weeks ago. I think that it’s actually hard to see them out of top 3 here. I’ve seen some videos (sent to me by the senior class) and all I can say is that they are getting drastically better every day. Powder Springs was an interesting competition in 2019 as if they had a second run, I have a theory that they could’ve jumped 3 spots. Utah, one judge happened to not like their show and put them in last for music effect (causing them to get 4th instead of 2nd/3rd). This year is going to be good for them Maybe. Their 2021 show would have struggled to make finals at almost any regional. I get that it was just a fill in show but still. They are definitely the wild card here.
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Post by scbandfan on Oct 5, 2022 13:43:26 GMT -6
It's very hard to imagine Fort Mill out of the top 5 here. Under normal circumstances I’d agree, but only the senior class has ever been to a BOA regional and the last one they placed 6th. Granted a pretty stacked Powder Springs. I guess st George too. They’ve been through a lot in the past 4 years, director/ staff changes, school split with CR, and a pretty covid adverse response in 2020. Thinking this is still a rebuilding year but happy to hear they did pretty well at the Low Country Invitational two weeks ago. I still havent seen the score sheet from Wando but Fort Mill's competition at that show was lacking. I watched their video from this year's show and it was better than I expected but still down from previous years. Would have liked to see them compete at Olde English but God forbid they compete against Nation Ford.
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Post by fantasticalcloud on Oct 5, 2022 14:08:14 GMT -6
Under normal circumstances I’d agree, but only the senior class has ever been to a BOA regional and the last one they placed 6th. Granted a pretty stacked Powder Springs. I guess st George too. They’ve been through a lot in the past 4 years, director/ staff changes, school split with CR, and a pretty covid adverse response in 2020. Thinking this is still a rebuilding year but happy to hear they did pretty well at the Low Country Invitational two weeks ago. I still havent seen the score sheet from Wando but Fort Mill's competition at that show was lacking. I watched their video from this year's show and it was better than I expected but still down from previous years. Would have liked to see them compete at Olde English but God forbid they compete against Nation Ford. From how much Fort Mill has improved throughout the weeks and how they continue to grow upwards- I wouldn’t have been surprised (if they went to Olde English) if Fort Mill and Nation Ford were closer than you think. On another hand, the doubt towards Fort Mill due to last year is super valid. Life Aquatic was the worst show that they have ever fielded. However, I do believe that their 2022 Program (FLOW) is a pretty decent show. After talking to some Alumni- I’ve heard high praise as this is one of the best designed show. At Wando they didn’t have the best performance (all of their electronics didn’t work) which caused a timing tear. Hopefully they all work this weekend and Fort Mill gets to show off
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Post by marimba11 on Oct 5, 2022 15:05:22 GMT -6
Under normal circumstances I’d agree, but only the senior class has ever been to a BOA regional and the last one they placed 6th. Granted a pretty stacked Powder Springs. I guess st George too. They’ve been through a lot in the past 4 years, director/ staff changes, school split with CR, and a pretty covid adverse response in 2020. Thinking this is still a rebuilding year but happy to hear they did pretty well at the Low Country Invitational two weeks ago. I still havent seen the score sheet from Wando but Fort Mill's competition at that show was lacking. I watched their video from this year's show and it was better than I expected but still down from previous years. Would have liked to see them compete at Olde English but God forbid they compete against Nation Ford. Yeah this show and St. George (Conflicting w/ 5A State in 2019) Fort Mill is/was really trying (for lack of a better term) to “evade” local competition. Especially considering they’re not even going to Winston-Salem just an hour and a half down the road the next week. So that’s really puzzling. Even more puzzling they are attending 5A state. I will say the Low Country Invitational is one of the best judged shows outside of BOA regionals and WCU toc. Scott Rush, Michael Gray, and Bobby bring in the best panel they can for sometimes what is a pretty low enrolled show. Maybe for Wando’s benefit. Looking at the panels for olde English and the Byrnes show they were pretty weak tbh.
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Post by es203 on Oct 5, 2022 17:04:40 GMT -6
I still havent seen the score sheet from Wando but Fort Mill's competition at that show was lacking. I watched their video from this year's show and it was better than I expected but still down from previous years. Would have liked to see them compete at Olde English but God forbid they compete against Nation Ford. Yeah this show and St. George (Conflicting w/ 5A State in 2019) Fort Mill is/was really trying (for lack of a better term) to “evade” local competition. Especially considering they’re not even going to Winston-Salem just an hour and a half down the road the next week. So that’s really puzzling. Even more puzzling they are attending 5A state. I will say the Low Country Invitational is one of the best judged shows outside of BOA regionals and WCU toc. Scott Rush, Michael Gray, and Bobby bring in the best panel they can for sometimes what is a pretty low enrolled show. Maybe for Wando’s benefit. Looking at the panels for olde English and the Byrnes show they were pretty weak tbh. I’m guessing they wanted at least one overnight trip this year, and Delaware presented that opportunity and the opportunity to place well (which they probably could’ve placed top half at Winston Salem too but oh well)
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Post by marimba11 on Oct 5, 2022 17:09:30 GMT -6
Yeah this show and St. George (Conflicting w/ 5A State in 2019) Fort Mill is/was really trying (for lack of a better term) to “evade” local competition. Especially considering they’re not even going to Winston-Salem just an hour and a half down the road the next week. So that’s really puzzling. Even more puzzling they are attending 5A state. I will say the Low Country Invitational is one of the best judged shows outside of BOA regionals and WCU toc. Scott Rush, Michael Gray, and Bobby bring in the best panel they can for sometimes what is a pretty low enrolled show. Maybe for Wando’s benefit. Looking at the panels for olde English and the Byrnes show they were pretty weak tbh. I’m guessing they wanted at least one overnight trip this year, and Delaware presented that opportunity and the opportunity to place well (which they probably could’ve placed top half at Winston Salem too but oh well) True true
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Post by fantasticalcloud on Oct 5, 2022 17:51:00 GMT -6
Yeah this show and St. George (Conflicting w/ 5A State in 2019) Fort Mill is/was really trying (for lack of a better term) to “evade” local competition. Especially considering they’re not even going to Winston-Salem just an hour and a half down the road the next week. So that’s really puzzling. Even more puzzling they are attending 5A state. I will say the Low Country Invitational is one of the best judged shows outside of BOA regionals and WCU toc. Scott Rush, Michael Gray, and Bobby bring in the best panel they can for sometimes what is a pretty low enrolled show. Maybe for Wando’s benefit. Looking at the panels for olde English and the Byrnes show they were pretty weak tbh. I’m guessing they wanted at least one overnight trip this year, and Delaware presented that opportunity and the opportunity to place well (which they probably could’ve placed top half at Winston Salem too but oh well) From what I understand, it was due to Catawba Ridge and Nation Ford going to the regional. The current Band Director at Fort Mill (head Director since 2018) doesn’t love going against the neighboring bands. I have no clue as to why- but I’ve heard his mentality is “There is no need for such an intense rivalry between Bands” and I think this idea developed after 2017 Winston Salem.
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Post by marimba11 on Oct 5, 2022 18:12:50 GMT -6
I’m guessing they wanted at least one overnight trip this year, and Delaware presented that opportunity and the opportunity to place well (which they probably could’ve placed top half at Winston Salem too but oh well) From what I understand, it was due to Catawba Ridge and Nation Ford going to the regional. The current Band Director at Fort Mill (head Director since 2018) doesn’t love going against the neighboring bands. I have no clue as to why- but I’ve heard his mentality is “There is no need for such an intense rivalry between Bands” and I think this idea developed after 2017 Winston Salem. Oh boy lol in all seriousness so many bands have rivalries. So it is kind of a moot point. But at least they’re doing some BOA this year.
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Post by scbandfan on Oct 6, 2022 5:27:50 GMT -6
I’m guessing they wanted at least one overnight trip this year, and Delaware presented that opportunity and the opportunity to place well (which they probably could’ve placed top half at Winston Salem too but oh well) From what I understand, it was due to Catawba Ridge and Nation Ford going to the regional. The current Band Director at Fort Mill (head Director since 2018) doesn’t love going against the neighboring bands. I have no clue as to why- but I’ve heard his mentality is “There is no need for such an intense rivalry between Bands” and I think this idea developed after 2017 Winston Salem. There is no such mentality or option in sports among the three Fort Mill High schools. Only in band. Schools have natural rivalries and in many ways it can be a healthy thing to push one another to be better. Rivalry shouldnt be feared or avoided. In any competitive endeavor, you should want to compete against the best in order to push to strive to be better. Going to local competitions where there are no other bands on your level, only gives the students an over inflated view of the band and their selves. And come 5A state when they have to compete against Wando and Brynes, they will not be fully prepared for that level. I know some will say Band is more an Art BUT Marching Bands do go to competitions and NOT exhibitions where they are scored,
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Post by hewhowaits on Oct 6, 2022 5:57:13 GMT -6
From what I understand, it was due to Catawba Ridge and Nation Ford going to the regional. The current Band Director at Fort Mill (head Director since 2018) doesn’t love going against the neighboring bands. I have no clue as to why- but I’ve heard his mentality is “There is no need for such an intense rivalry between Bands” and I think this idea developed after 2017 Winston Salem. There is no such mentality or option in sports among the three Fort Mill High schools. Only in band. Schools have natural rivalries and in many ways it can be a healthy thing to push one another to be better. Rivalry shouldnt be feared or avoided. In any competitive endeavor, you should want to compete against the best in order to push to strive to be better. Going to local competitions where there are no other bands on your level, only gives the students an over inflated view of the band and their selves. And come 5A state when they have to compete against Wando and Brynes, they will not be fully prepared for that level. I know some will say Band is more an Art BUT Marching Bands do go to competitions and NOT exhibitions where they are scored, The greatest threat is not the students having an over-inflated view of the band. It is the parents expecting the band to dominate every contest because they dominate when the competition is not on par.
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Post by marimba11 on Oct 6, 2022 7:51:17 GMT -6
From what I understand, it was due to Catawba Ridge and Nation Ford going to the regional. The current Band Director at Fort Mill (head Director since 2018) doesn’t love going against the neighboring bands. I have no clue as to why- but I’ve heard his mentality is “There is no need for such an intense rivalry between Bands” and I think this idea developed after 2017 Winston Salem. There is no such mentality or option in sports among the three Fort Mill High schools. Only in band. Schools have natural rivalries and in many ways it can be a healthy thing to push one another to be better. Rivalry shouldnt be feared or avoided. In any competitive endeavor, you should want to compete against the best in order to push to strive to be better. Going to local competitions where there are no other bands on your level, only gives the students an over inflated view of the band and their selves. And come 5A state when they have to compete against Wando and Brynes, they will not be fully prepared for that level. I know some will say Band is more an Art BUT Marching Bands do go to competitions and NOT exhibitions where they are scored, Yeah it honestly goes against even kind of the philosophy of BOA tbh. I agree. It certainly didn’t work for Lassiter when they stopped going to competitions entirely. Did they get better than 2002? Nope
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Post by thewho on Oct 6, 2022 8:08:07 GMT -6
There is no such mentality or option in sports among the three Fort Mill High schools. Only in band. Schools have natural rivalries and in many ways it can be a healthy thing to push one another to be better. Rivalry shouldnt be feared or avoided. In any competitive endeavor, you should want to compete against the best in order to push to strive to be better. Going to local competitions where there are no other bands on your level, only gives the students an over inflated view of the band and their selves. And come 5A state when they have to compete against Wando and Brynes, they will not be fully prepared for that level. I know some will say Band is more an Art BUT Marching Bands do go to competitions and NOT exhibitions where they are scored, Yeah it honestly goes against even kind of the philosophy of BOA tbh. I agree. It certainly didn’t work for Lassiter when they stopped going to competitions entirely. Did they get better than 2002? Nope From what I understand, it was less of that and more of Watkins not really finding value in marching band and deciding to go through the concert band route instead (which is completely understandable). The parents at the time? Well...
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Post by marimba11 on Oct 6, 2022 9:28:14 GMT -6
Yeah it honestly goes against even kind of the philosophy of BOA tbh. I agree. It certainly didn’t work for Lassiter when they stopped going to competitions entirely. Did they get better than 2002? Nope From what I understand, it was less of that and more of Watkins not really finding value in marching band and deciding to go through the concert band route instead (which is completely understandable). The parents at the time? Well... And while we’re at it… let’s say it like it is. It is almost always the PARENTS who make the rivalry worse. In 2010-12 when I was around to compete with Nation Ford, it was always the parents who took it to the extreme. Yes some kids would throw their weight around but nothing like how the parents would.
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Post by MadScientist on Oct 6, 2022 10:58:19 GMT -6
Thanks for sharing this video! I like this video for 2 reasons (other than the fact that it is a fun show and the kids are doing a great job at it): 1. This reminds me of a similarly themed show from Fishers a couple years ago. Also a fun show. 2. This was filmed at a competition at my old high school! Of course, I was there back when dinosaurs roamed the earth. We didn't do BOA back then. In fact, I hadn't heard of BOA until my first kid started marching band 7 years ago. I don't really follow my old marching band, and I'm not in that area any more, so this video brought me back in time. Okay, nostalgia over.
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Post by cornet on Oct 6, 2022 11:16:24 GMT -6
Here in Cary, the four high schools have essentially made a pact to always watch and support each other and to compete in a healthy way. But they actually try to compete with each other as much as possible. I think it's great. And it's great for the fans.
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Post by marimba11 on Oct 7, 2022 10:36:08 GMT -6
Looks like a nice day tomorrow, although breezy during the day time. Wishing all bands here great runs and great memories
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Post by bandymcbandface on Oct 7, 2022 12:32:21 GMT -6
I’m guessing they wanted at least one overnight trip this year, and Delaware presented that opportunity and the opportunity to place well (which they probably could’ve placed top half at Winston Salem too but oh well) From what I understand, it was due to Catawba Ridge and Nation Ford going to the regional. The current Band Director at Fort Mill (head Director since 2018) doesn’t love going against the neighboring bands. I have no clue as to why- but I’ve heard his mentality is “There is no need for such an intense rivalry between Bands” and I think this idea developed after 2017 Winston Salem. And maybe that's why they've fallen off a bit. As a Fort Mill alum it's sad to see the decline, but when I was there rivalry was the fun part that kept us motivated. Hoping for the best this weekend!
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Post by fantasticalcloud on Oct 7, 2022 14:05:05 GMT -6
Thanks! After watching JM and having seen a video of kiski, I think this is Kiskis show to lose at this point... Send Kiski video?
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Post by marimba11 on Oct 7, 2022 15:04:08 GMT -6
There is a video of Kiski from a football game at some point but the quality is rough. We’ll know tomorrow!
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Post by es203 on Oct 8, 2022 10:43:19 GMT -6
After seeing Mill Creek I think they’re a finals lock but I’m not so sure on top half. They have a lot of issues visually and some overblowing in the brass
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