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Post by vidal28rdg on Oct 8, 2022 22:36:24 GMT -6
I did not have to hear or see a second of Hebron prior to today in prelims to know that they are on ANOTHER LEVEL from everyone, despite the talent and the excellence of many groups here in attendance. Hebron has earned that right!! And they continue to push themselves most importantly
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Post by yayband914 on Oct 8, 2022 22:39:46 GMT -6
Southlake Carroll in 13th? Surprised no one has mentioned that they didn’t make finals. I think multiple people mentioned they were surprised by it. I didn’t look hard enough.
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Post by marimba11 on Oct 8, 2022 22:47:03 GMT -6
Is this the highest score ever on the 2nd week of October? Its almost the first Saturday but technically the second
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Post by twhsalumniparent on Oct 8, 2022 22:50:48 GMT -6
Is this the highest score ever on the 2nd week of October? Its almost the first Saturday but technically the second 1st week of October 2019 (Oct 5th), Ronald Reagan scored 89.7.
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Post by es203 on Oct 8, 2022 22:53:17 GMT -6
Is this the highest score ever on the 2nd week of October? Its almost the first Saturday but technically the second 1st week of October 2019 (Oct 5th), Ronald Reagan scored 89.7. If you can say you're .1 behind Secret World I'd say you're in pretty good shape (joking and not joking)
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Post by srv1084 on Oct 8, 2022 22:55:58 GMT -6
Is this the highest score ever on the 2nd week of October? Its almost the first Saturday but technically the second Way back in the day (90s/early 2000s) I remember bands popping high 80s in September, so without really digging I'm thinking it's not the case. But, I don't feel like an 89 on 10/8/1999 means quite the same as an 89 on 10/8/2022, if that makes sense. Edit: Kiski Area popped a 93.30 on 10/7/1995.
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Post by twhsalumniparent on Oct 8, 2022 23:04:33 GMT -6
Is this the highest score ever on the 2nd week of October? Its almost the first Saturday but technically the second Way back in the day (90s/early 2000s) I remember bands popping high 80s in September, so without really digging I'm thinking it's not the case. But, I don't feel like an 89 on 10/8/1999 means quite the same as an 89 on 10/8/2022, if that makes sense. 2nd week of October 2017 (October 14th), Claudia Taylor Johnson popped a 90.2.
Reagan (Secret World) in 2019 and CTJ (The Forest Through the Trees) in 2017 went on to win San Antonio, each setting a high score record for San Antonio at the time.
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Post by macwinlin on Oct 8, 2022 23:21:40 GMT -6
No way does Hebron break 90?? To the rhythm of Amy Winehouse's song "Rehab:" Hebron gonna pop a 90, but Marie said "No, no, no!" 😂😂🤣🤣 Good ole Marie.
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Post by cinnamonpromenade on Oct 8, 2022 23:42:22 GMT -6
Southlake Carroll was the first band out of finals behind James Martin by .6 points. Carroll was 22nd out of 24 in Visual Individual. I suppose that alone is enough to keep you squarely out of finals.
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Post by marimba11 on Oct 9, 2022 0:04:34 GMT -6
Southlake Carroll was the first band out of finals behind James Martin by .6 points. Carroll was 22nd out of 24 in Visual Individual. I suppose that alone is enough to keep you squarely out of finals. WOW and that seems really unbelievable coming from a 2021 UIL state FINALIST
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Post by cinnamonpromenade on Oct 9, 2022 0:45:17 GMT -6
Carroll was 22nd out of 24 in Visual Individual. I suppose that alone is enough to keep you squarely out of finals. WOW and that seems really unbelievable coming from a 2021 UIL state FINALIST 9th in Music Ind 15th in Music Ens 12th in Overall Music 22nd in Vis Ind 15th in Vis Ens 16th in Overall Vis 10th in GE Mus 1 12th in GE Mus 2 12 in Overall GE Mus 15th in GE Vis 12th in Overall GE I wonder if their show is still under construction? Was this just a particularly poor run? Will they pull a Stephen F. Austin, missing finals one week and breaking into the top half the next week?
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Post by boahistorybuff on Oct 9, 2022 6:45:07 GMT -6
Congratulations to Hebron on their 5th regional title.
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Post by coleeich on Oct 9, 2022 8:33:02 GMT -6
Absolutely AMAZED by both Hebron and FloMo. Love both shows for such different reasons. Who knows, but I would say it is possible we see a different group take #1 in this weeks ranking (as much as I love BA). Also very surprised, as many are, by Southlake Carroll's placement. I wonder how this will translate to next week. Never a dull moment with BOA!
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Post by marchingmaniac on Oct 9, 2022 12:08:47 GMT -6
I don't think Southlake Carroll was bad by any means, but in comparison to the other bands they had quite a lot of dirt both musically and visually. The good thing for them is that it seems they have their entire show on the field, so they just need to spend the next several weeks cleaning their show massively before Grand Nationals.
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Post by yayband914 on Oct 9, 2022 12:44:32 GMT -6
I don't think Southlake Carroll was bad by any means, but in comparison to the other bands they had quite a lot of dirt both musically and visually. The good thing for them is that it seems they have their entire show on the field, so they just need to spend the next several weeks cleaning their show massively before Grand Nationals. I think we’ll see them in finals next week, a show that’s just as stacked as this one was. I have a feeling they are going to be hungry and bust a lot of tail this week.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2022 13:16:48 GMT -6
Not taking anything away from Hebron... we thought the music caption went to Marcus.. simply due to the music sounding cleaner, crisper and better played. Now, Hebron has some very exposed moments and it's still early. WE thought these were close.. and gave the edge to Marcus. Visual should have gone to Flower Mound.... but I think the judges are / were in a bit of awe over Hebron.. (rightfully so)... the music caption in GE get's Hebron the GE Caption sure. we scored these much much closer....and in the 87 range. Was still a great great showing for this regional.
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Post by marimba11 on Oct 9, 2022 15:45:43 GMT -6
Not taking anything away from Hebron... we thought the music caption went to Marcus.. simply due to the music sounding cleaner, crisper and better played. Now, Hebron has some very exposed moments and it's still early. WE thought these were close.. and gave the edge to Marcus. Visual should have gone to Flower Mound.... but I think the judges are / were in a bit of awe over Hebron.. (rightfully so)... the music caption in GE get's Hebron the GE Caption sure. we scored these much much closer....and in the 87 range. Was still a great great showing for this regional. I agree with you on flower mound visual. They were super clean. Hebron great too but flower Mound I thought was actually better
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Post by Allohak on Oct 9, 2022 15:47:58 GMT -6
I don't think Southlake Carroll was bad by any means, but in comparison to the other bands they had quite a lot of dirt both musically and visually. The good thing for them is that it seems they have their entire show on the field, so they just need to spend the next several weeks cleaning their show massively before Grand Nationals. I think we’ll see them in finals next week, a show that’s just as stacked as this one was. I have a feeling they are going to be hungry and bust a lot of tail this week. You must be looking at a very different schedule for next week at Prosper than I am?
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Post by yayband914 on Oct 9, 2022 15:51:52 GMT -6
I think we’ll see them in finals next week, a show that’s just as stacked as this one was. I have a feeling they are going to be hungry and bust a lot of tail this week. You must be looking at a very different schedule for next week at Prosper than I am? Just as stacked meaning there are about 16-18 bands that could make finals here. Not every band has to be a Hebron or a Flower Mound or a Vandegrift for a show to be considered stacked.
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Post by hewhowaits on Oct 9, 2022 16:10:46 GMT -6
You must be looking at a very different schedule for next week at Prosper than I am? Just as stacked meaning there are about 16-18 bands that could make finals here. Not every band has to be a Hebron or a Flower Mound or a Vandegrift for a show to be considered stacked. I would call that many with a chance to make finals "competitive" rather than "stacked." Many of your "16-18 with a chance to make finals" at Prosper would never be in the conversation for finals at a "stacked" event.
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Post by Shroom on Oct 9, 2022 18:21:55 GMT -6
Not taking anything away from Hebron... we thought the music caption went to Marcus.. simply due to the music sounding cleaner, crisper and better played. Now, Hebron has some very exposed moments and it's still early. WE thought these were close.. and gave the edge to Marcus. Visual should have gone to Flower Mound.... but I think the judges are / were in a bit of awe over Hebron.. (rightfully so)... the music caption in GE get's Hebron the GE Caption sure. we scored these much much closer....and in the 87 range. Was still a great great showing for this regional. I agree with you on flower mound visual. They were super clean. Hebron great too but flower Mound I thought was actually better Yea I think Heb was a tad hyped up coming into this which, completely fair lol. Their show is very rigorous and it's showing pretty heavily rn, as blown away as I was with how complicated everything is, it's pretty obvious that the show is designed to peak in November and they are definitely not there yet. Music sounded amazing but there were some pretty obvious technical flaws and intonations issues when the ensemble was spread which should've lowered the gap by at least a tad. Visually too they're on fire for how difficult the show is, but compared to other bands in the same tier they have some really big issues when it comes to step sizes and spacing, which hurt their drill clarity quite a bit. Their upper body when they do slides is also pretty wonky, but that's something that most finalist drum corps don't even do right so they can get a pass lol. They definitely deserved the win but almost breaking 90 and a 1.6 gap between them and FloMo is a little ridiculous for me lol. I agree that FloMo was pretty underscored when it came to vis. I don't really know why but the show reminds me a lot of 2018 in terms of how the drill falls and overall visual proficiency. The shows a little blah but right now they're rivaling Carmel in terms of how pristine every member looks and how pronounced and clear their marching technique is, which is really only something I think that Vandy and BA have done consistently. Nobody crucify me, but I honestly still have Vandy winning SA at this point. I obviously haven't seen BA yet but given what I saw from Vandy rn they're at least on the same level as Carmel/Heb, if not a smidge higher. Vandy still doesn't have double tonguing down though lol, but I assume they'll clean those parts soon enough
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Post by vidal28rdg on Oct 9, 2022 18:54:44 GMT -6
I agree with you on flower mound visual. They were super clean. Hebron great too but flower Mound I thought was actually better Yea I think Heb was a tad hyped up coming into this which, completely fair lol. Their show is very rigorous and it's showing pretty heavily rn, as blown away as I was with how complicated everything is, it's pretty obvious that the show is designed to peak in November and they are definitely not there yet. Music sounded amazing but there were some pretty obvious technical flaws and intonations issues when the ensemble was spread which should've lowered the gap by at least a tad. Visually too they're on fire for how difficult the show is, but compared to other bands in the same tier they have some really big issues when it comes to step sizes and spacing, which hurt their drill clarity quite a bit. Their upper body when they do slides is also pretty wonky, but that's something that most finalist drum corps don't even do right so they can get a pass lol. They definitely deserved the win but almost breaking 90 and a 1.6 gap between them and FloMo is a little ridiculous for me lol. I agree that FloMo was pretty underscored when it came to vis. I don't really know why but the show reminds me a lot of 2018 in terms of how the drill falls and overall visual proficiency. The shows a little blah but right now they're rivaling Carmel in terms of how pristine every member looks and how pronounced and clear their marching technique is, which is really only something I think that Vandy and BA have done consistently. Nobody crucify me, but I honestly still have Vandy winning SA at this point. I obviously haven't seen BA yet but given what I saw from Vandy rn they're at least on the same level as Carmel/Heb, if not a smidge higher. Vandy still doesn't have double tonguing down though lol, but I assume they'll clean those parts soon enough for someone that believes that Hebron should’ve won this same contest last year instead of Flower Mound by a point gap similar to the 1.6 gap we saw last night, I’m probably in the minority here, but for whatever issues in cleanliness and intonation Hebron had, in both years Flower Mound had that, and then some. In more difficult passages, Hebron has better tone, better clarity and more variety, which are many of the boxes that Hebron was able to clear the gap in with the GE sheets, in both music and Visual that upped their advantage to what I thought wouldn’t have been awarded to them compared to FloMo’s visual spectacle. That ballad alone, Hebron pulled off an imitation of BD better than what even Flower Mound tries to do, felt like I was walking in to BD 2017 there, not to mention I believe Hebron had a better performance in prelims! A few more things were wonky and even then I feel that Hebron’s performance simply clears what Flower Mound brought to the table. I’m not declaring Hebron to be the “pencil them in” champion of the late season competitions just yet either, there are so many quality top groups in Texas for that to be a sure thing no matter who it is, but they’re my pick currently to win BOA SA and UIL State a month from now, they’re gonna be insane. I also believe they’re further along than their state winning year last year in executing their material, crazy to say, but they are
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Post by peshbandkid on Oct 9, 2022 21:36:11 GMT -6
Hebron will be a big favorite to win state and BOA San Antonio this year with this show. I think Vandegrift, Ronald Reagan, Cedar Ridge, and CTJ will be the biggest threats, but after watching whatever they just did, I just was left without words
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Post by Shroom on Oct 9, 2022 21:39:19 GMT -6
Yea I think Heb was a tad hyped up coming into this which, completely fair lol. Their show is very rigorous and it's showing pretty heavily rn, as blown away as I was with how complicated everything is, it's pretty obvious that the show is designed to peak in November and they are definitely not there yet. Music sounded amazing but there were some pretty obvious technical flaws and intonations issues when the ensemble was spread which should've lowered the gap by at least a tad. Visually too they're on fire for how difficult the show is, but compared to other bands in the same tier they have some really big issues when it comes to step sizes and spacing, which hurt their drill clarity quite a bit. Their upper body when they do slides is also pretty wonky, but that's something that most finalist drum corps don't even do right so they can get a pass lol. They definitely deserved the win but almost breaking 90 and a 1.6 gap between them and FloMo is a little ridiculous for me lol. I agree that FloMo was pretty underscored when it came to vis. I don't really know why but the show reminds me a lot of 2018 in terms of how the drill falls and overall visual proficiency. The shows a little blah but right now they're rivaling Carmel in terms of how pristine every member looks and how pronounced and clear their marching technique is, which is really only something I think that Vandy and BA have done consistently. Nobody crucify me, but I honestly still have Vandy winning SA at this point. I obviously haven't seen BA yet but given what I saw from Vandy rn they're at least on the same level as Carmel/Heb, if not a smidge higher. Vandy still doesn't have double tonguing down though lol, but I assume they'll clean those parts soon enough for someone that believes that Hebron should’ve won this same contest last year instead of Flower Mound by a point gap similar to the 1.6 gap we saw last night, I’m probably in the minority here, but for whatever issues in cleanliness and intonation Hebron had, in both years Flower Mound had that, and then some. In more difficult passages, Hebron has better tone, better clarity and more variety, which are many of the boxes that Hebron was able to clear the gap in with the GE sheets, in both music and Visual that upped their advantage to what I thought wouldn’t have been awarded to them compared to FloMo’s visual spectacle. That ballad alone, Hebron pulled off an imitation of BD better than what even Flower Mound tries to do, felt like I was walking in to BD 2017 there, not to mention I believe Hebron had a better performance in prelims! A few more things were wonky and even then I feel that Hebron’s performance simply clears what Flower Mound brought to the table. I’m not declaring Hebron to be the “pencil them in” champion of the late season competitions just yet either, there are so many quality top groups in Texas for that to be a sure thing no matter who it is, but they’re my pick currently to win BOA SA and UIL State a month from now, they’re gonna be insane. I also believe they’re further along than their state winning year last year in executing their material, crazy to say, but they are I can't really say anything of substance outside of "I disagree that Hebron should've won by more than 1.6", since the only way to really argue about that would be to bring up specific examples throughout the performance, and imo that really just goes too far into the weeds for a forum based on high school marching band. I will say though that Hebron as a band kind of breaks the BOA scoring system by pushing the meta forwards and I think that's where a lot of contention in discussion comes from lol. I think Heb should've won both years as well, I just think when it comes to actually cleanliness that they tend to be more than a little overhyped due to the difficulty of their shows. Maybe I'm too traditional when it comes to scoring but I'm always going to favor an ensemble like Marcus or Carmel, since while both basically have drill that looks like it's from 2005, both bands max out their simple shows to the absolute extreme, while meta pushing bands like BS and Heb always have insanely demanding shows but (somewhat) objectively never clean them to a point where they rival more traditional bands. It's basically impossible to objectively judge a band triple tonguing against a band playing perfect half/quarter notes when you get this high up in the band sphere. MGE only makes up a fraction of the total score, so even if a band like Heb reasonably deserves higher than what the max MGE score can be come SA/Nats when comparing them to other bands, they'll only ever get a perfect MGE score and their overall score won't properly reflect the rigor of their music. Bands like BA and Carmel are basically always going to be technically cleaner than bands pushing the limit like Heb, but that's always because their shows are going to be simpler. You could argue that GE scoring is what accounts for the "difficulty factor", but GE scoring is the most nebulous, vague thing that flip flops basically every year in how judges choose to interpret and assign scores with it. You can't really judge a band like Heb that pushes the current meta onwards at a high level against a band like Vandy that just perfects the current meta with the same scoring system and come to a result that is going to make complete sense. I suppose what I'm getting at is that imo BOA (and especially UIL) judging usually only acts as a vague outline of how "good" a band is. I'm always going to watch a Bowie or a BS show over Texas/Indy band #362 that marches in a straight line and plays whole notes, because while I think that "Texas/Indy band #362" will always and should always score higher due to cleanliness, I'm going to consider Bowie/BS the better band. Honestly most of this post hardly has anything to do with what was said in this thread, and I just have a lot of free time to talk about stupidly minute points as a university student who should've taken more credit hours. For the most part I'm just pointing out a common point of argument that I see on this forum and it's just something I think that some people are tone deaf to sometimes. That's not a specific jab at you or anyone else on this forum btw lol, it's just a general statement on the BOA community as a whole.
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Post by Allohak on Oct 9, 2022 22:01:15 GMT -6
TIL Broken Arrow and Carmel do "simple" shows and Hebron '21 never got clean
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Post by supersound on Oct 9, 2022 22:49:50 GMT -6
The take is interesting in that it ignores a lot or most results from major contests in the last 5-10 years but I’ll stand to agree to disagree.
I’ll say that the beauty of a few Carmel and Broken Arrow shows are that they appear deceivingly simple to the untrained eye.
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Post by vidal28rdg on Oct 10, 2022 0:03:43 GMT -6
for someone that believes that Hebron should’ve won this same contest last year instead of Flower Mound by a point gap similar to the 1.6 gap we saw last night, I’m probably in the minority here, but for whatever issues in cleanliness and intonation Hebron had, in both years Flower Mound had that, and then some. In more difficult passages, Hebron has better tone, better clarity and more variety, which are many of the boxes that Hebron was able to clear the gap in with the GE sheets, in both music and Visual that upped their advantage to what I thought wouldn’t have been awarded to them compared to FloMo’s visual spectacle. That ballad alone, Hebron pulled off an imitation of BD better than what even Flower Mound tries to do, felt like I was walking in to BD 2017 there, not to mention I believe Hebron had a better performance in prelims! A few more things were wonky and even then I feel that Hebron’s performance simply clears what Flower Mound brought to the table. I’m not declaring Hebron to be the “pencil them in” champion of the late season competitions just yet either, there are so many quality top groups in Texas for that to be a sure thing no matter who it is, but they’re my pick currently to win BOA SA and UIL State a month from now, they’re gonna be insane. I also believe they’re further along than their state winning year last year in executing their material, crazy to say, but they are I can't really say anything of substance outside of "I disagree that Hebron should've won by more than 1.6", since the only way to really argue about that would be to bring up specific examples throughout the performance, and imo that really just goes too far into the weeds for a forum based on high school marching band. I will say though that Hebron as a band kind of breaks the BOA scoring system by pushing the meta forwards and I think that's where a lot of contention in discussion comes from lol. I think Heb should've won both years as well, I just think when it comes to actually cleanliness that they tend to be more than a little overhyped due to the difficulty of their shows. Maybe I'm too traditional when it comes to scoring but I'm always going to favor an ensemble like Marcus or Carmel, since while both basically have drill that looks like it's from 2005, both bands max out their simple shows to the absolute extreme, while meta pushing bands like BS and Heb always have insanely demanding shows but (somewhat) objectively never clean them to a point where they rival more traditional bands. It's basically impossible to objectively judge a band triple tonguing against a band playing perfect half/quarter notes when you get this high up in the band sphere. MGE only makes up a fraction of the total score, so even if a band like Heb reasonably deserves higher than what the max MGE score can be come SA/Nats when comparing them to other bands, they'll only ever get a perfect MGE score and their overall score won't properly reflect the rigor of their music. Bands like BA and Carmel are basically always going to be technically cleaner than bands pushing the limit like Heb, but that's always because their shows are going to be simpler. You could argue that GE scoring is what accounts for the "difficulty factor", but GE scoring is the most nebulous, vague thing that flip flops basically every year in how judges choose to interpret and assign scores with it. You can't really judge a band like Heb that pushes the current meta onwards at a high level against a band like Vandy that just perfects the current meta with the same scoring system and come to a result that is going to make complete sense. I suppose what I'm getting at is that imo BOA (and especially UIL) judging usually only acts as a vague outline of how "good" a band is. I'm always going to watch a Bowie or a BS show over Texas/Indy band #362 that marches in a straight line and plays whole notes, because while I think that "Texas/Indy band #362" will always and should always score higher due to cleanliness, I'm going to consider Bowie/BS the better band. Honestly most of this post hardly has anything to do with what was said in this thread, and I just have a lot of free time to talk about stupidly minute points as a university student who should've taken more credit hours. For the most part I'm just pointing out a common point of argument that I see on this forum and it's just something I think that some people are tone deaf to sometimes. That's not a specific jab at you or anyone else on this forum btw lol, it's just a general statement on the BOA community as a whole. I have a friend that I went to this contest with, and they would agree with a lot of your points. I also thought very very highly of Marcus coming into this contest, I believe they should’ve placed in second today ahead of Flower Mound, with them in 3rd. I’m only discussing the rubric as it is, not even agreeing with GE being all put together as a perfect way to judge groups either. I also agree that bands like BA, Carmel, and Marcus should be rewarded through their cleanliness. Like last year at Grand Nationals, you give Marcus the music caption in Semis, why do they drop several placements in that caption and it ends up going to Flower Mound in Finals, how does that happen? What changed? I thought other candidates for the Music caption would’ve also been a Carmel, a Broken Arrow. Those would’ve been my top three for 2021 Grand Nats in that category, visual and GE, I’m not exactly clear on as everyone is approaching their program and design in radically different ways. Hebron feels like they are constantly pushing themselves every year, compare their 2018, 2019 year to 2021 you feel like their ensemble cleanliness in each is steadily improving along with the material that they tackle. I wasn’t sure if their 2019 could be topped in terms of what they could get out of their players, and then comes 2021, and BOOM, instant hit from the beginning of their show that says “we have the horses”, try and beat us!” I don’t think it’s so much “meta breaking” if we’re thinking of the activity, they’re not covering the whole field in a tarp, they’re marching and playing and covering up the whole field with their 250 marchers on the field as their size affords them that luxury, many people called them “traditional” last year in their approach. At least that’s what I’ve heard when it comes to Hebron. More nuanced discussion is definitely great to have when making comparisons between groups, I do agree on that
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Post by TXHillCountryBands on Oct 10, 2022 12:41:55 GMT -6
The take is interesting in that it ignores a lot or most results from major contests in the last 5-10 years but I’ll stand to agree to disagree. I’ll say that the beauty of a few Carmel and Broken Arrow shows are that they appear deceivingly simple to the untrained eye. The only aspect of Carmel’s show that is “simple” would be the brass and woodwind music book. Gaines is a design genius and those kids execute amazingly! I haven't seen BA yet but I’m confident that if GN’s were this weekend they would be walking away with the Eagle! That show is CLEAN….. 🦅
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Post by Jake W. on Oct 10, 2022 13:05:21 GMT -6
The take is interesting in that it ignores a lot or most results from major contests in the last 5-10 years but I’ll stand to agree to disagree. I’ll say that the beauty of a few Carmel and Broken Arrow shows are that they appear deceivingly simple to the untrained eye. The only aspect of Carmel’s show that is “simple” would be the brass and woodwind music book. Gaines is a design genius and those kids execute amazingly! I haven't seen BA yet but I’m confident that if GN’s were this weekend they would be walking away with the Eagle! That show is CLEAN….. 🦅 I'll stick up for the superior musicality of Texas bands all day every day, but the only mistake I consistently feel a need to call out is anyone equating fewer technical passages in Carmel's recent music books with more simplicity and less demand. 2018 in particular. Their shows are built off of huge, long, sweeping, giant full ensemble phrases that we rarely hear from anyone else in the country, top Texas bands included, and a level of exposure in their wind book that again is almost impossible to find from any other top marching band. Don't get me wrong, Hebron is the epitome of demand and I truly cannot think of another group that could even think about cleanly executing their music books, but I feel the same about Carmel's exposure, balance, dynamic, and phrasing demands. Just two different branches of demand, and each band the innovator and leader of each branch. But, Hebron's insane difficulty aside, give me technical passages and a gock block and I'll clean those all day; perfecting Carmel's characteristic massive phrases over a season sounds like a nightmare.
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Post by vidal28rdg on Oct 10, 2022 13:46:06 GMT -6
The only aspect of Carmel’s show that is “simple” would be the brass and woodwind music book. Gaines is a design genius and those kids execute amazingly! I haven't seen BA yet but I’m confident that if GN’s were this weekend they would be walking away with the Eagle! That show is CLEAN….. 🦅 I'll stick up for the superior musicality of Texas bands all day every day, but the only mistake I consistently feel a need to call out is anyone equating fewer technical passages in Carmel's recent music books with more simplicity and less demand. 2018 in particular. Their shows are built off of huge, long, sweeping, giant full ensemble phrases that we rarely hear from anyone else in the country, top Texas bands included, and a level of exposure in their wind book that again is almost impossible to find from any other top marching band. Don't get me wrong, Hebron is the epitome of demand and I truly cannot think of another group that could even think about cleanly executing their music books, but I feel the same about Carmel's exposure, balance, dynamic, and phrasing demands. Just two different branches of demand, and each band the innovator and leader of each branch. But, Hebron's insane difficulty aside, give me technical passages and a gock block and I'll clean those all day; perfecting Carmel's characteristic massive phrases over a season sounds like a nightmare. Different branches and approaches to their sound profile, exactly. It would be a disservice to call what Carmel does “easy” for sure. It’s all about how intentional and deliberate you are with everything you do, and you know that those musical arrangements cater to their strengths when it comes to the pedagogy being taught. It all is made to serve their whole band well when marching season ultimately ends. If they achieve what they do out there in the heat(for Texas😰) or cold(poor Indy🥶😂) it just makes them much more equipped to handle whatever material you throw at them during concert season. Having that variety of challenges that the kids see at Carmel, Hebron, and any top band in the fall, no doubt makes them successful later on To put a long message short, if what Carmel were doing were easy, they would not be nearly as successful as they are over time. Period.
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