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Post by lostchoirguy on Aug 7, 2022 23:11:39 GMT -6
Mineola is a great small band, but honestly every single band in attendance here is a strong group. Not very many dominant programs but all are very solid. It will be interesting to see what happens.
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Post by yayband914 on Aug 8, 2022 0:30:52 GMT -6
Way-too-early prediction time. I am nobody and my opinions don’t matter. Also, FWIW, I will also not be updating my predictions in real-time with participant updates. I will just update them a week or two before the respective contest. Also, Texas is hard. 1. Owasso H.S., OK 2. Westlake H.S., TX 3. Southlake Carroll H.S., TX 4. Wakeland H.S., TX 5. Prosper H.S., TX 6. Choctaw H.S., OK 7. Westwood H.S., TX 8. Waxahachie H.S., TX 9. Forney H.S., TX 10. Rock Hill H.S., TX 11. Colleyville Heritage H.S., TX 12. Keller Central H.S., TX ————— 13. Azle H.S., TX 14. Rockwall H.S., TX 15. Burleson Centennial H.S., TX A — Mineola H.S., TX AA — Choctaw H.S., OK AAA — Wakeland H.S., TX AAAA — Owasso H.S., OK Perhaps my selection for champion is a hair bold, but I also think the title honestly could go to any of the potential medalists. Choctaw is silly good, I'd love to see them place in the top half (again, maybe a hair bold). Any of the bubble bands could advance to finals, as I believe only the top 8 or 9 are locks. Going to be a cutthroat battle for those last few spots!
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Post by principalagent on Aug 8, 2022 9:40:51 GMT -6
I am surprised no one has talked about Mineola yet. While I don’t see them advancing to finals, they are a very solid small-school band and should definitely turn some heads and outscore a few larger groups. Excited for them to make their BOA debut! They’re also in the middle of a director change right now, so unclear where they go from here.
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Post by yayband914 on Aug 8, 2022 10:00:03 GMT -6
I am surprised no one has talked about Mineola yet. While I don’t see them advancing to finals, they are a very solid small-school band and should definitely turn some heads and outscore a few larger groups. Excited for them to make their BOA debut! They’re also in the middle of a director change right now, so unclear where they go from here. Darn. I hope they still end up attending.
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Post by tubaplayer7 on Aug 9, 2022 18:56:24 GMT -6
Here is my very early season prediction for BOA North Texas. 1. Southlake Carroll 2. Owasso 3. Westlake 4. Sachse 5. Wakeland 6. Westlake 7. Rock Hill 8. Keller Central 9. Colleyville Heritage 10. The Colony 11. Prosper 12. Grapevine -------------------- 13. Lone Star Sachse at 4th? They must be having one hell of a year so far! I would love to see that. Have they ever made finals at a BOA show before (or at least recently)? No. But they beat prosper at UIL Area C Finals last year.
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Post by yayband914 on Aug 9, 2022 19:13:08 GMT -6
Sachse at 4th? They must be having one hell of a year so far! I would love to see that. Have they ever made finals at a BOA show before (or at least recently)? No. But they beat prosper at UIL Area C Finals last year. Very cool! UIL judging is extremely different than BOA judging though. The two don’t always translate from one to the other.
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Post by supersound on Aug 9, 2022 20:09:10 GMT -6
Sachse at 4th? They must be having one hell of a year so far! I would love to see that. Have they ever made finals at a BOA show before (or at least recently)? No. But they beat prosper at UIL Area C Finals last year. Area historically is considered to be a very poor indicator of how a band will do the rest of the season and in the future For example just two examples out of Area H: in 2018 Westlake beat out Leander and made state if not for a bad judge rule Leander would’ve missed state. Leander would go on to place 6th at state while Westlake would miss finals Vista Ridge beat Vandegrift in both prelims and finals but would go on to later place extremely behind Vandegrift at SA and state Even if at that one area competition Sachse beat our Prosper and likely had an amazing performance, II think we have to give precedence to Prospers general history of success over this one contest I’m sure there are other examples of area results not holding out, mainly in Area D but my memories not very good right now
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Post by jmike16 on Aug 9, 2022 20:21:51 GMT -6
Area historically is considered to be a very poor indicator of how a band will do the rest of the season and in the future For example just two examples out of Area H: in 2018 Westlake beat out Leander and made state if not for a bad judge rule Leander would’ve missed state. Leander would go on to place 6th at state while Westlake would miss finals Vista Ridge beat Vandegrift in both prelims and finals but would go on to later place extremely behind Vandegrift at SA and state Even if at that one area competition Sachse beat our Prosper and likely had an amazing performance, II think we have to give precedence to Prospers general history of success over this one contest I’m sure there are other examples of area results not holding out, mainly in Area D but my memories not very good right now You can see how different the bands place at State than at almost every Area Contest.
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Post by LeanderMomma on Aug 9, 2022 21:52:27 GMT -6
Area historically is considered to be a very poor indicator of how a band will do the rest of the season and in the future For example just two examples out of Area H: in 2018 Westlake beat out Leander and made state if not for a bad judge rule Leander would’ve missed state. Leander would go on to place 6th at state while Westlake would miss finals Vista Ridge beat Vandegrift in both prelims and finals but would go on to later place extremely behind Vandegrift at SA and state Even if at that one area competition Sachse beat our Prosper and likely had an amazing performance, II think we have to give precedence to Prospers general history of success over this one contest I’m sure there are other examples of area results not holding out, mainly in Area D but my memories not very good right now You can see how different the bands place at State than at almost every Area Contest. I have often heard it said that Area is mostly about making sure the most deserving bands make it to state and that final placement at Area doesn’t really matter. I hate that but it seems to be true for the most part.
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Post by jmike16 on Aug 10, 2022 0:01:06 GMT -6
You can see how different the bands place at State than at almost every Area Contest. I have often heard it said that Area is mostly about making sure the most deserving bands make it to state and that final placement at Area doesn’t really matter. I hate that but it seems to be true for the most part. Interesting. There have been many great bands that could've placed well at State but unfortunately, they did not advance. Does that mean they didn't deserve to go?
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Post by supersound on Aug 10, 2022 13:40:17 GMT -6
I have often heard it said that Area is mostly about making sure the most deserving bands make it to state and that final placement at Area doesn’t really matter. I hate that but it seems to be true for the most part. Interesting. There have been many great bands that could've placed well at State but unfortunately, they did not advance. Does that mean they didn't deserve to go? I hardly think that’s what they meant and this sounds like a weirdly defensive reply. They’re just saying that judges try to push the bands they think are the “right” advancers to state with less regard to performance and overall placement as long as they meet the placement quota to make state (3rd, 5th etc)
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Post by Marching Observer on Aug 10, 2022 14:05:41 GMT -6
You can have tons of great bands that may deserve a place in finals or advance, but when you can only take so many, it comes down to the details. That's the nature of competition and for the ensembles, it comes down to the judgment of 5 to 7 judges depending on circuit. There is no perfect system. All they can do is go out there and do their best. It's the feeling of accomplishment that they have their best and are proud of.
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Post by LeanderMomma on Aug 10, 2022 15:36:31 GMT -6
I have often heard it said that Area is mostly about making sure the most deserving bands make it to state and that final placement at Area doesn’t really matter. I hate that but it seems to be true for the most part. Interesting. There have been many great bands that could've placed well at State but unfortunately, they did not advance. Does that mean they didn't deserve to go? There are only a certain number of spots and the judges are tasked with making sure the most proficient ones on that day fill whatever spots are available. It’s nobody’s fault that there aren’t enough spots for every deserving band. You could argue that every band in finals at state deserves to medal, but there are only three medals. Does that mean they don’t deserve a medal? 🤷🏻♀️
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Post by principalagent on Aug 10, 2022 17:01:03 GMT -6
Interesting enough, there’s a growing movement to crown an Area Champion and also recognize the second and third place finishers. I wonder if an increased incentive to get the top correct will cause unnecessary fuzz for the bands that are sitting within a spot or two of the advancing border. Could be an interesting development! See more here: www.uiltexas.org/files/band-substitution-music/music/MAC_July_2022_Minutes.pdf.
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Post by jmike16 on Aug 10, 2022 22:26:42 GMT -6
I apologize if my comment sounded defensive or rude, I was just curious, thats all.
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Post by hewhowaits on Aug 11, 2022 5:00:55 GMT -6
I have often heard it said that Area is mostly about making sure the most deserving bands make it to state and that final placement at Area doesn’t really matter. I hate that but it seems to be true for the most part. The same is true of BOA prelims and GN semifinals - the goal is to advance the right bands to the next round, not to determine who will be the winner. Often, the order of finish in prelims and finals line up quite closely. That is not the intent, just how it turns out.
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Post by LeanderMomma on Aug 11, 2022 5:31:25 GMT -6
Interesting enough, there’s a growing movement to crown an Area Champion and also recognize the second and third place finishers. I wonder if an increased incentive to get the top correct will cause unnecessary fuzz for the bands that are sitting within a spot or two of the advancing border. Could be an interesting development! See more here: www.uiltexas.org/files/band-substitution-music/music/MAC_July_2022_Minutes.pdf. I like it! UIL Rule Change Proposal Regarding Area Marching Band Awards. Proposal: UIL has approved Area marching contest for all classifications annually. At each Area Marching Contest, we would like UIL to consider awarding trophies and medals to the 1st, 2nd & 3rd placed groups in finals competition. Rationale: Currently, all Area groups receive a participant plaque and all finalist groups receive a finalist plaque. There is nothing to recognize the 1st place group as the Area champions or the 2nd and 3rd placed groups as runner-ups. The awarding of trophies and medals will help crown an Area champion in each classification annually and will help further recognize band students across the state. The awarding of trophies and medals will also mirror what is done at the State Marching Band Championships and will help further promote the activity and recognize the best groups in each Area.
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Post by saxophosbee on Aug 21, 2022 13:58:27 GMT -6
Here is my very early season prediction for BOA North Texas. 1. Southlake Carroll 2. Owasso 3. Westlake 4. Sachse 5. Wakeland 6. Westlake 7. Rock Hill 8. Keller Central 9. Colleyville Heritage 10. The Colony 11. Prosper 12. Grapevine -------------------- 13. Lone Star Lone star is not going, uil region is the same day.
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Post by yayband914 on Aug 29, 2022 19:59:29 GMT -6
According to a recent update in Wylie East's Charms, they will apparently be attending this regional in addition to UIL. That's going to be a very busy day for them considering they will likely make finals here, unless they opt out of a second performance.
Unsure if they're swapping the Bedford show with this one or are attending both. If they are attending both, that makes them one of the few bands attending four regionals this season.
Soft "confirmed" for now.
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Post by yayband914 on Aug 30, 2022 9:39:02 GMT -6
Wylie East is officially confirmed per directors. Swapping DFW for this show.
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Post by tubaplayer7 on Sept 9, 2022 12:29:14 GMT -6
I think grapevine is going to turn some heads at this competition. Very strong program this year.
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Post by yayband914 on Sept 9, 2022 12:42:55 GMT -6
I think grapevine is going to turn some heads at this competition. Very strong program this year. Excited to see them next week.
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Post by yayband914 on Sept 14, 2022 14:58:18 GMT -6
Official prelims schedule posted above.
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Post by yayband914 on Sept 15, 2022 16:59:54 GMT -6
Classification update.
J.J. Pearce moves down to AAA from AAAA. Wylie East remains in AAA, though they are a UIL 6A ensemble.
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Post by abtwitch on Oct 3, 2022 13:31:51 GMT -6
Going off of recent results, looks like a W band is gonna get the W at this contest. Maybe Carroll, Prosper, or Owasso could take it, but the top 3 seem to me to be most likely Westwood, Westlake, and Wakeland.
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Post by hewhowaits on Oct 3, 2022 14:56:58 GMT -6
Adjudication Panel
Music - Matt McCready, Michael McIntosh, Mark Waymire, Jay Webb Visual - Greg Llacer, Randy Nelson, Bob Thomas Chief Judge - John Phillips
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Post by yayband914 on Oct 9, 2022 19:07:29 GMT -6
Updated predictions. I might end up modifying these slightly as more local competition results from this past weekend appear.
Someone said it earlier, but a band that starts with a “W” will be taking “the W” here. Owasso could definitely place as high as 4th, but given the results from the Renegade Review, I’m not too convinced, but I do hope for the best! Choctaw was also right under them at that show, nothing to scoff at, so they should do well here. Sachse just medaled at Midland, so I think they should be considered a finalist contender here, even though I personally was counting them out prior to yesterday. This season has been really surprising so far!
The fight for the bottom of finals is going to be fierce. Keller Central, Colleyville Heritage, Rock Hill, Southlake Carroll, Burleson Centennial and Azle are all worthy contenders, with the addition of a few more notables. While I don’t have them in my current predictions, I think we will see Carroll in finals this weekend. I just couldn’t put them past Rock Hill, who made finals this past weekend. I have a feeling they have a HUGE fire under their tuchus, and I hope they are not discouraged about attending Grand Nats.
1. Westlake H.S., TX 2. Wakeland H.S., TX 3. Westwood H.S., TX 4. Prosper H.S., TX 5. Waxahachie H.S., TX 6. Wylie East H.S., TX 7. Owasso H.S., OK 8. Choctaw H.S., OK 9. Sachse H.S., TX 10. Keller Central H.S., TX 11. Colleyville Heritage H.S., TX 12. Rock Hill H.S., TX ——BUBBLE—— 13. Southlake Carroll H.S., TX 14. Burleson Centennial H.S., TX 15. Azle H.S., TX 16. Rockwall H.S., TX 17. Forney H.S., TX 18. Grapevine H.S., TX
A — Mineola H.S., TX AA — Choctaw H.S., OK AAA — Wakeland H.S., TX AAAA — Westlake H.S., TX
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Post by hewhowaits on Oct 10, 2022 12:02:04 GMT -6
Final schedule posted today shows no changes from what was listed as of 9/14.
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Post by abtwitch on Oct 10, 2022 12:14:08 GMT -6
I'm still maintaining my three Ws taking home the medals this weekend and I'm super interested to see who comes out on top. I'm favoring Wakeland right now given their strong placements at HEB and BOA Bedford, but I wouldn't be surprised to see any of the three walking home with the championship. I haven't seen Westlake since BOA Austin, but I love their show and they're performing it well.
I saw Westwood at Vista Ridge on Oct. 1st and they had already cleaned up a lot of their performance issues which helped earn them their 4 point win. At BOA Austin, Westwood's sound wasn't what is typical for them, a bit more harshness in the tone quality than normal. At VRMF, they kept that power they had at BOA Austin, but with a much cleaner sound more like what I'm used to from the band. Seems like they took the route of learn to play loud first, then clean up the sound and it seems to be working wonders for them. I've also heard that some of their recent rehearsals have been incredibly productive and the energy on the field is fantastic. This could be a special year for the program and after this weekend we'll have a better idea of what the rest of the season holds in store for them.
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Post by Samuel Culper on Oct 11, 2022 7:35:42 GMT -6
I'm still maintaining my three Ws taking home the medals this weekend and I'm super interested to see who comes out on top. I'm favoring Wakeland right now given their strong placements at HEB and BOA Bedford, but I wouldn't be surprised to see any of the three walking home with the championship. I haven't seen Westlake since BOA Austin, but I love their show and they're performing it well. I saw Westwood at Vista Ridge on Oct. 1st and they had already cleaned up a lot of their performance issues which helped earn them their 4 point win. At BOA Austin, Westwood's sound wasn't what is typical for them, a bit more harshness in the tone quality than normal. At VRMF, they kept that power they had at BOA Austin, but with a much cleaner sound more like what I'm used to from the band. Seems like they took the route of learn to play loud first, then clean up the sound and it seems to be working wonders for them. I've also heard that some of their recent rehearsals have been incredibly productive and the energy on the field is fantastic. This could be a special year for the program and after this weekend we'll have a better idea of what the rest of the season holds in store for them. Thank you for coming to the VRMF. I hope it was a good experience for you.
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