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Post by claratrumpflute99 on Oct 9, 2022 11:07:08 GMT -6
This may sound selfish of me, but I’m so exhausted of having the same Homestead conversation every year. I’m on the same page as the rest, something needs to change. I was present at this competition and observed the frustration the student on sound was having- props to him for trying so hard. I saw their sound technician trying to resolve the problem; however I did not see their Director of bands present or helping to resolve the issue.
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Post by Marching Observer on Oct 9, 2022 12:37:34 GMT -6
This may sound selfish of me, but I’m so exhausted of having the same Homestead conversation every year. I’m on the same page as the rest, something needs to change. I was present at this competition and observed the frustration the student on sound was having- props to him for trying so hard. I saw their sound technician trying to resolve the problem; however I did not see their Director of bands present or helping to resolve the issue. In that regard, I can answer that that was because he was judging at the BOA show in Delaware.
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Post by claratrumpflute99 on Oct 9, 2022 13:33:24 GMT -6
I was present at this competition and observed the frustration the student on sound was having- props to him for trying so hard. I saw their sound technician trying to resolve the problem; however I did not see their Director of bands present or helping to resolve the issue. In that regard, I can answer that that was because he was judging at the BOA show in Delaware. Wasn’t Homestead the host for this State Sanctioned competition?
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Post by bandalum15 on Oct 9, 2022 13:50:46 GMT -6
I was present at this competition and observed the frustration the student on sound was having- props to him for trying so hard. I saw their sound technician trying to resolve the problem; however I did not see their Director of bands present or helping to resolve the issue. In that regard, I can answer that that was because he was judging at the BOA show in Delaware. This actually makes me angry. He's not Jay Webb, and his program isn't in the same shape as Avon. Lead your program. Your kids deserve better. #unimpressed.
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Post by contra on Oct 9, 2022 14:30:18 GMT -6
In that regard, I can answer that that was because he was judging at the BOA show in Delaware. This actually makes me angry. He's not Jay Webb, and his program isn't in the same shape as Avon. Lead your program. Your kids deserve better. #unimpressed. You said what I've been thinking but too afraid to speak up about. He's actually absent quite a bit.
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Post by TeamIndiana on Oct 9, 2022 14:56:15 GMT -6
In that regard, I can answer that that was because he was judging at the BOA show in Delaware. This actually makes me angry. He's not Jay Webb, and his program isn't in the same shape as Avon. Lead your program. Your kids deserve better. #unimpressed. I think we need to be careful about what is being said. We are definitely all able to have an opinion about how a show is progressing, design problems, visual problems and so on, but now this is feeling more like a personal attack against Bryen which is off base in my opinion. Plus we are straying away from the intended content of this particular thread. Let’s try to be mindful about what is being said, please.
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Post by yayband914 on Oct 9, 2022 15:04:31 GMT -6
This actually makes me angry. He's not Jay Webb, and his program isn't in the same shape as Avon. Lead your program. Your kids deserve better. #unimpressed. I think we need to be careful about what is being said. We are definitely all able to have an opinion about how a show is progressing, design problems, visual problems and so on, but now this is feeling more like a personal attack against Bryen which is off base in my opinion. Plus we are straying away from the intended content of this particular thread. Seconded. I think most of it is coming from a place of good intentions and passion for the activity, but we can't forget that educators, designers and most importantly, students, read these forums. It is not up to us to decide how anyone chooses to run their program. It is also not that uncommon for directors to judge other contests on days where their own band is at another contest. We all want Homestead to do well, but b*tching on an internet forum about their director and overall leadership isn't going to change anything, even if they DO happen to read all these disparaging comments.
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Post by das88 on Oct 9, 2022 15:59:19 GMT -6
In that regard, I can answer that that was because he was judging at the BOA show in Delaware. This actually makes me angry. He's not Jay Webb, and his program isn't in the same shape as Avon. Lead your program. Your kids deserve better. #unimpressed. leaving the band with Matt Harloff is a little different as well. Lol. I agree with your point.
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Post by bandalum15 on Oct 9, 2022 16:13:59 GMT -6
I think we need to be careful about what is being said. We are definitely all able to have an opinion about how a show is progressing, design problems, visual problems and so on, but now this is feeling more like a personal attack against Bryen which is off base in my opinion. Plus we are straying away from the intended content of this particular thread. Seconded. I think most of it is coming from a place of good intentions and passion for the activity, but we can't forget that educators, designers and most importantly, students, read these forums. It is not up to us to decide how anyone chooses to run their program. It is also not that uncommon for directors to judge other contests on days where their own band is at another contest. We all want Homestead to do well, but b*tching on an internet forum about their director and overall leadership isn't going to change anything, even if they DO happen to read all these disparaging comments. I apologize for the nature of the post. I'd remove it but it's allready been quoted a few times so there is no point. I will do better in the future.
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Post by Marching Observer on Oct 9, 2022 20:06:44 GMT -6
I'm my final thought in that regard and for this Oct 8th weekend, I see that as a non-issue. Several directors from many programs have judged in BOA during the season dating back decades. Honestly it tells me two different things. One is that Warfield has full faith in his staff, parents, and band to be able to administer the contest and prepare and perform in the show. If you point to the electronics, I doubt him being there would have made any real difference as we have noteed several times that this has been a reoccurring thing. That just has more to do with repetition on working out how to get it setup and working quickly as someone pointed out and I agree with. Secondly, him judging in a BOA Regional, next to people like Matt Harloff, Chris Kaflick, and Jarrett Lipman, shows that they believe in his knowledge and experience of the activity putting him in some pretty high company.
As pointed out, this isn't some private discord server. This is a public forum where students and staff can read everything that's said. If you have a concern or disagreement on whatever, just always try to put it tactfully. By now, I'm sure that they are (once again) very aware of the issue and will be addressing it. You can bet that heat is very likely coming from boosters and I've seen several programs destroyed by overzealous parents. You may want the best but make sure all grievances are firmly heard and don't attempt to micromanage a program either.
So let's get back to the Indy Super Regional talk again shall we?! Greenwood and Northview still look to be in a pitched battle. What other AA groups are you looking at to be in that 3rd place fight since GV and Camdenton seem to be hyped up to take the top 2. Jasper of course seems to be right in the thick of it too for third!
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Post by ilikeguard on Oct 9, 2022 20:49:13 GMT -6
So let's get back to the Indy Super Regional talk again shall we?! Greenwood and Northview still look to be in a pitched battle. What other AA groups are you looking at to be in that 3rd place fight since GV and Camdenton seem to be hyped up to take the top 2. Jasper of course seems to be right in the thick of it too for third! I'll be very happy if Camdenton is one of those bands that medals in AA - Franklin being in AA this year will make for quite the fight. That being said, there aren't any other names that particularly stick out to me...so I'll probably look to those as being our top three. Though I'm always in the mood for a surprise
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Post by jeremiah on Oct 10, 2022 9:17:22 GMT -6
This actually makes me angry. He's not Jay Webb, and his program isn't in the same shape as Avon. Lead your program. Your kids deserve better. #unimpressed. leaving the band with Matt Harloff is a little different as well. Lol. I agree with your point. There have been times when Jay, Matt, and Dean were all off judging across the country and it's like "who's running the band?" But they have plenty of other leaders and students leaders who are able to keep things moving without a glitch. Same thing with Carmel having half of their directors off judging while the band is going to a competition. Some on these forums seems to think the best model of leadership is having a dictatorial director who micromanages every aspect of the program. The best programs across the country would suggest this is not an effective model of leadership. If the absence of one individual means your program can't be successful, your program has a much larger issue.
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Post by paddy on Oct 10, 2022 11:58:54 GMT -6
leaving the band with Matt Harloff is a little different as well. Lol. I agree with your point. There have been times when Jay, Matt, and Dean were all off judging across the country and it's like "who's running the band?" But they have plenty of other leaders and students leaders who are able to keep things moving without a glitch. Same thing with Carmel having half of their directors off judging while the band is going to a competition. Some on these forums seems to think the best model of leadership is having a dictatorial director who micromanages every aspect of the program. The best programs across the country would suggest this is not an effective model of leadership. If the absence of one individual means your program can't be successful, your program has a much larger issue. I am not sure it is a belief in a dictatorial director, but more a realization that despite the Avons and Carmels of the world, most programs do not have the funds to afford the staff numbers for a bunch of their leadership team to be gone. At many programs if you pull 2 directors off the team for a weekend, your staff is part time techs and booster parents.
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Post by paddy on Oct 10, 2022 12:02:36 GMT -6
So let's get back to the Indy Super Regional talk again shall we?! Greenwood and Northview still look to be in a pitched battle. What other AA groups are you looking at to be in that 3rd place fight since GV and Camdenton seem to be hyped up to take the top 2. Jasper of course seems to be right in the thick of it too for third! I'll be very happy if Camdenton is one of those bands that medals in AA - Franklin being in AA this year will make for quite the fight. That being said, there aren't any other names that particularly stick out to me...so I'll probably look to those as being our top three. Though I'm always in the mood for a surprise Camdenton H.S., MO Decatur Central H.S., IN Evansville North H.S., IN Franklin H.S., TN Grain Valley H.S., MO Greenfield Central H.S., IN Greenwood Community H.S., IN Northview H.S., IN NorthWood H.S., IN Western H.S., IN I think any of these AA groups have a shot at being in the hunt for top 3. Obviously some more than others, but I didn't rank them, just pulled them from the list alphabetically.
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Post by ilikeguard on Oct 10, 2022 12:27:23 GMT -6
I'll be very happy if Camdenton is one of those bands that medals in AA - Franklin being in AA this year will make for quite the fight. That being said, there aren't any other names that particularly stick out to me...so I'll probably look to those as being our top three. Though I'm always in the mood for a surprise Camdenton H.S., MO Decatur Central H.S., IN Evansville North H.S., IN Franklin H.S., TN Grain Valley H.S., MO Greenfield Central H.S., IN Greenwood Community H.S., IN Northview H.S., IN NorthWood H.S., IN Western H.S., IN I think any of these AA groups have a shot at being in the hunt for top 3. Obviously some more than others, but I didn't rank them, just pulled them from the list alphabetically. Is Evansville North a newer school? I didn’t see them on any past Indianapolis sheets, but I didn’t look very far back or even very thoroughly. I know I’ve heard the name a bit recently.
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Post by yayband914 on Oct 10, 2022 12:35:44 GMT -6
Camdenton H.S., MO Decatur Central H.S., IN Evansville North H.S., IN Franklin H.S., TN Grain Valley H.S., MO Greenfield Central H.S., IN Greenwood Community H.S., IN Northview H.S., IN NorthWood H.S., IN Western H.S., IN I think any of these AA groups have a shot at being in the hunt for top 3. Obviously some more than others, but I didn't rank them, just pulled them from the list alphabetically. Is Evansville North a newer school? I didn’t see them on any past Indianapolis sheets, but I didn’t look very far back or even very thoroughly. I know I’ve heard the name a bit recently. I’m not sure if they’re a new school, but they’re just listed as “North” on BOA sheets. They placed 17th at last year’s Indy Super.
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Post by paddy on Oct 10, 2022 12:41:16 GMT -6
Is Evansville North a newer school? I didn’t see them on any past Indianapolis sheets, but I didn’t look very far back or even very thoroughly. I know I’ve heard the name a bit recently. I’m not sure if they’re a new school, but they’re just listed as “North” on BOA sheets. They placed 17th at last year’s Indy Super. Yep. They have been competitive in Indiana Class B for the last few years including 2nd at State in 2021. They have been around since 1956 and built a new high school in 2012. They are part of the Evansville Vanderburgh School Corporation that has 6 high schools and 22,000 students.
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Post by Jake W. on Oct 10, 2022 12:48:46 GMT -6
Is Evansville North a newer school? I didn’t see them on any past Indianapolis sheets, but I didn’t look very far back or even very thoroughly. I know I’ve heard the name a bit recently. I’m not sure if they’re a new school, but they’re just listed as “North” on BOA sheets. They placed 17th at last year’s Indy Super. A school that's been around forever, always had a "fair-to-middlin'" large band for decades. Often made a Div. I at Regionals, never was in the hunt for State Finals, bounced between Class A & Class B. Think William Mason prior to 2005 or so: a big, somewhat-decent band without much identity that's just waiting to be plucked up by a competent director & design team. Jay Emmert, of Emmert family Indiana band director lore and Phantom Regiment fame, came on maybe 2015 or so? They made ISSMA State Finals for their first time in 2016, I think, and I believe have made it consecutively since, consistently rising up the ranks. I don't believe any of the Emmert brothers stayed on more than the first few seasons, but the trajectory was set, and they're competitively moving forward at a decent clip each successive year. A good band on the more suburban side of Evansville that just needed some solid leadership & a good design team. As noted by yayband914, made a solid 17th place at last year's Indy Super Regional. They're a solid group that I'm happy to see has found success!
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Post by paddy on Oct 10, 2022 12:53:47 GMT -6
I’m not sure if they’re a new school, but they’re just listed as “North” on BOA sheets. They placed 17th at last year’s Indy Super. A school that's been around forever, always had a "fair-to-middlin'" large band for decades. Often made a Div. I at Regionals, never was in the hunt for State Finals, bounced between Class A & Class B. Think William Mason prior to 2005 or so: a big, somewhat-decent band without much identity that's just waiting to be plucked up by a competent director & design team. Jay Emmert, of Emmert family Indiana band director lore and Phantom Regiment fame, came on maybe 2015 or so? They made ISSMA State Finals for their first time in 2016, I think, and I believe have made it consecutively since, consistently rising up the ranks. I don't believe any of the Emmert brothers stayed on more than the first few seasons, but the trajectory was set, and they're competitively moving forward at a decent clip each successive year. A good band on the more suburban side of Evansville that just needed some solid leadership & a good design team. As noted by yayband914 , made a solid 17th place at last year's Indy Super Regional. They're a solid group that I'm happy to see has found success! Dwight Emmert is still at Evansville as the Director Fine Arts for the entire district. The EVSC superintendent is also a former band director and musician. The school being moved and rebuilt north of town definitely changed things.
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Post by Allohak on Oct 10, 2022 13:05:51 GMT -6
I’m not sure if they’re a new school, but they’re just listed as “North” on BOA sheets. They placed 17th at last year’s Indy Super. A school that's been around forever, always had a "fair-to-middlin'" large band for decades. Often made a Div. I at Regionals, never was in the hunt for State Finals, bounced between Class A & Class B. Think William Mason prior to 2005 or so: a big, somewhat-decent band without much identity that's just waiting to be plucked up by a competent director & design team. Jay Emmert, of Emmert family Indiana band director lore and Phantom Regiment fame, came on maybe 2015 or so? They made ISSMA State Finals for their first time in 2016, I think, and I believe have made it consecutively since, consistently rising up the ranks. I don't believe any of the Emmert brothers stayed on more than the first few seasons, but the trajectory was set, and they're competitively moving forward at a decent clip each successive year. A good band on the more suburban side of Evansville that just needed some solid leadership & a good design team. As noted by yayband914, made a solid 17th place at last year's Indy Super Regional. They're a solid group that I'm happy to see has found success! As someone who marched at Mason "prior to 2005 or so", I approve this comparison. Solid group
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Post by ilikeguard on Oct 10, 2022 15:42:30 GMT -6
Thanks for the clarification! The name difference definitely explains why I was missing them. I had just assumed that the North HS I was looking at wasn't returning this year...I have a lot to learn about Indiana bands
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Post by hewhowaits on Oct 13, 2022 18:01:45 GMT -6
Adjudication Panels (specific Panel 1 and Panel 2 breakdowns TBD)
Music - Mike Howard, Jager Loyde, Van Mathews, Paul McGarr, Travis Moddison, Chester Phillips, Greg Williams, Timothy Yontz Visual - Lee Carlson, Marie Czapinski, Greg Llacer, Randy Nelson, Juno Orefice, Michael Turner Chief Judge - John Phillips
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Post by verysaxy on Oct 13, 2022 18:50:23 GMT -6
Czapinski back for blood I see.
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Post by hewhowaits on Oct 14, 2022 6:07:11 GMT -6
Czapinski back for blood I see. Cartwright-designed shows beware! Advantage Blue Springs vs. Mason for third in finals behind the Indiana heavyweights.
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Post by supersound on Oct 14, 2022 7:00:10 GMT -6
I know it’s a joke but I really don’t think Czapinski has any more odd or dissenting opinions than any other judge. I think she unfairly gets the spotlight for that.
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Post by kybanddad911 on Oct 14, 2022 8:43:15 GMT -6
Since it’s our first BOA in quite awhile, I’d love to hear anyone’s opinion of Lafayette. Show this year is fully designed for BOA and the kids, like every band I’ve watched, are killing it. If you’ve given it a watch just know nothing on YouTube has revealed the whole show. Sound off and can’t wait until next weekend!
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Post by trumpette123 on Oct 14, 2022 11:21:44 GMT -6
Czapinski back for blood I see. Cartwright-designed shows beware! Advantage Blue Springs vs. Mason for third in finals behind the Indiana heavyweights. 😂😂 She does really like them. (San Antonio 2013.) She went to blue springs in 2014 or 2015. There was always a running joke in 2016 about Ken Turner and Jay Kennedy. Had to take a look again, but going from 1st and 4th in MGE to 9th from both judges was odd. GE is GE though 😂 I’m sure the judges all do their best.
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Post by ohbandie48 on Oct 14, 2022 19:01:10 GMT -6
leaving the band with Matt Harloff is a little different as well. Lol. I agree with your point. There have been times when Jay, Matt, and Dean were all off judging across the country and it's like "who's running the band?" But they have plenty of other leaders and students leaders who are able to keep things moving without a glitch. Same thing with Carmel having half of their directors off judging while the band is going to a competition. Some on these forums seems to think the best model of leadership is having a dictatorial director who micromanages every aspect of the program. The best programs across the country would suggest this is not an effective model of leadership. If the absence of one individual means your program can't be successful, your program has a much larger issue. Thanks for bringing this point up. Now that I'm a bit older (*cough* a lot older) and wiser, I've always been thinking about how these big name band programs are run from a leadership level, especially when compared with corporate-style leadership. Recently, I've been suspecting that my old high school could have been much better run in terms of not "having a dictatorial director who micromanages every aspect of the program," and it's so interesting to hear that these highly successful band programs do have leadership system instilled down to the student level.
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Post by kywildcat77 on Oct 15, 2022 9:34:06 GMT -6
Since it’s our first BOA in quite awhile, I’d love to hear anyone’s opinion of Lafayette. Show this year is fully designed for BOA and the kids, like every band I’ve watched, are killing it. If you’ve given it a watch just know nothing on YouTube has revealed the whole show. Sound off and can’t wait until next weekend! I think we'll know a lot more about Lafayette after tonight. The three best bands in Kentucky are going head-to-head tonight at George Rogers Clark. If Lafayette can put up a convincing win over Bourbon County and Madison Central today, then they definitely should be in the discussion for finals at Indy. If not, not so much.
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Post by kybanddad911 on Oct 15, 2022 15:46:45 GMT -6
From prelims at GRC. Lafayette with an 89.1. Madison Central 88.5. Lafayette had some props malfunction due to high winds. It’ll be a great finals.
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