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Post by srv1084 on Jun 11, 2022 17:13:48 GMT -6
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Post by marimba11 on Jun 11, 2022 22:32:28 GMT -6
This will certainly be an interesting show. NJ has just recently established their own state circuit (better late than never), hopefully the BOA presence remains strong - there is certainly enough $$$ within some of these communities.
Do any of the history folks know the last time Dartmouth has made an appearance at a BOA event? If ever? I think if Trumbull isn’t coming they will give Norwin some competition- although who knows.
Glad Norwin is going to support this show, good to have one strong recent semifinalist in the lineup. Although this seems quite a hike from North Huntington compared to some of the ohio shows.
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Post by fantasticalcloud on Jun 11, 2022 23:13:12 GMT -6
This will certainly be an interesting show. NJ has just recently established their own state circuit (better late than never), hopefully the BOA presence remains strong - there is certainly enough $$$ within some of these communities. Do any of the history folks know the last time Dartmouth has made an appearance at a BOA event? If ever? I think if Trumbull isn’t coming they will give Norwin some competition- although who knows. Glad Norwin is going to support this show, good to have one strong recent semifinalist in the lineup. Although this seems quite a hike from North Huntington compared to some of the ohio shows. After doing a tiny bit of digging, I couldn't find a time that Dartmouth had gone to BOA since 2011 (this could be wrong and I just ended up overlooking it). It should be an interesting competition and I am excited to see how they will stack up against a band like Norwin.
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Post by srv1084 on Jun 12, 2022 1:16:17 GMT -6
Do any of the history folks know the last time Dartmouth has made an appearance at a BOA event? If ever? I think if Trumbull isn’t coming they will give Norwin some competition- although who knows. They have never attended a BOA event.
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Post by boahistorybuff on Jun 12, 2022 7:30:32 GMT -6
Do any of the history folks know the last time Dartmouth has made an appearance at a BOA event? If ever? I think if Trumbull isn’t coming they will give Norwin some competition- although who knows. They have never attended a BOA event. That is correct. In fact, I think King Phillip Regional is the only Massachusetts band to have ever competing in BOA (they won 4 regional titles and were in GN Semi Finals in the early 2000s). So Dartmouth will only be the second Massachusetts band to compete in BOA (somebody can correct me if I am wrong on that).
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Post by statechamp1239 on Jun 12, 2022 7:49:55 GMT -6
They have never attended a BOA event. That is correct. In fact, I think King Phillip Regional is the only Massachusetts band to have ever competing in BOA (they won 4 regional titles and were in GN Semi Finals in the early 2000s). So Dartmouth will only be the second Massachusetts band to compete in BOA (somebody can correct me if I am wrong on that). You forgot: Blackstone Millville Regional HS (MA) 2013 in Towson, MD Wakefield HS (MA) 2019 in College Park, MD
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Post by marimba11 on Jun 12, 2022 9:43:56 GMT -6
Great, thanks for the info all
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Post by boahistorybuff on Jun 12, 2022 12:06:52 GMT -6
That is correct. In fact, I think King Phillip Regional is the only Massachusetts band to have ever competing in BOA (they won 4 regional titles and were in GN Semi Finals in the early 2000s). So Dartmouth will only be the second Massachusetts band to compete in BOA (somebody can correct me if I am wrong on that). You forgot: Blackstone Millville Regional HS (MA) 2013 in Towson, MD Wakefield HS (MA) 2019 in College Park, MD Thanks for the reminder. I have better memories of BOA from 20, 30, 40 years ago then what I have of the last 10 years. I am going to say that the reason is that there are a lot more competitions in more recent years rather than that I am getting old and my short term memory is going. LOL
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Post by cinnamonpromenade on Jun 13, 2022 1:15:04 GMT -6
I love the audacity of Wakefield and Dartmouth doing this show and then immediately booking it back to Massachusetts for NESBA circuit championships the next day. That feels like a kind of venture not usually attempted by any northeastern bands. I wonder if this could inspire any NY bands to follow suit (NYSFBC championships are also the next day) and/or any other Massachusetts bands to explore BOA, period.
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Post by srv1084 on Jun 13, 2022 8:00:16 GMT -6
I love the audacity of Wakefield and Dartmouth doing this show and then immediately booking it back to Massachusetts for NESBA circuit championships the next day. That feels like a kind of venture not usually attempted by any northeastern bands. I wonder if this could inspire any NY bands to follow suit (NYSFBC championships are also the next day) and/or any other Massachusetts bands to explore BOA, period. I hope so! I really want to see some of the NY regulars at this regional, and still holding out hope for the day we see Baldwinsville and Mineola. Mineola would be a great Class A addition to BOA. Does NYSFBC still run pretty late on Sunday night? If National class goes on super late on Sunday that could make for a very long weekend for some of those bands. For the MA bands, I'm guessing their day is over on Sunday around mid-evening. I don't think finals go super late at night. For Wakefield it won't be too bad as they're less than a 30 minute drive to the championship site, but it'll be kind of brutal for Dartmouth at a nearly two hour drive home Sunday night after already traveling all weekend to NJ. Another reason why I'm so surprised they're going.
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Post by LeanderMomma on Jun 13, 2022 15:22:46 GMT -6
I love the audacity of Wakefield and Dartmouth doing this show and then immediately booking it back to Massachusetts for NESBA circuit championships the next day. That feels like a kind of venture not usually attempted by any northeastern bands. I wonder if this could inspire any NY bands to follow suit (NYSFBC championships are also the next day) and/or any other Massachusetts bands to explore BOA, period. I hope so! I really want to see some of the NY regulars at this regional, and still holding out hope for the day we see Baldwinsville and Mineola. Mineola would be a great Class A addition to BOA. Does NYSFBC still run pretty late on Sunday night? If National class goes on super late on Sunday that could make for a very long weekend for some of those bands. For the MA bands, I'm guessing their day is over on Sunday around mid-evening. I don't think finals go super late at night. For Wakefield it won't be too bad as they're less than a 30 minute drive to the championship site, but it'll be kind of brutal for Dartmouth at a nearly two hour drive home Sunday night after already traveling all weekend to NJ. Another reason why I'm so surprised they're going. Wait. A two hour drive is brutal? In Texas that’s still within the same high school football conference! 😁
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Post by Marching Observer on Jun 13, 2022 16:26:06 GMT -6
Exactly what I was thinking LeanderMomma lol. In the Midwest, if something is within an 8 your driving range, well, that's just fine with us!
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Post by supersound on Jun 13, 2022 17:25:25 GMT -6
This all reminds me of when Hendrickson drove out to Waco early, then drove right back home for region then were going to drive out back to Waco AGAIN if they made finals. A crazy packed day. Or when Leander had their nationals flights right after state retreat in 2016
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Post by srv1084 on Jun 13, 2022 18:42:42 GMT -6
I hope so! I really want to see some of the NY regulars at this regional, and still holding out hope for the day we see Baldwinsville and Mineola. Mineola would be a great Class A addition to BOA. Does NYSFBC still run pretty late on Sunday night? If National class goes on super late on Sunday that could make for a very long weekend for some of those bands. For the MA bands, I'm guessing their day is over on Sunday around mid-evening. I don't think finals go super late at night. For Wakefield it won't be too bad as they're less than a 30 minute drive to the championship site, but it'll be kind of brutal for Dartmouth at a nearly two hour drive home Sunday night after already traveling all weekend to NJ. Another reason why I'm so surprised they're going. Wait. A two hour drive is brutal? In Texas that’s still within the same high school football conference! 😁 I just mean within the context of that weekend's schedule, not that two hours is a particularly long drive by itself. I've driven a lot out in the mid-west/west and it's not lost on me how relatively close everything is up here. I assume both bands are leaving for the regional after school on Friday, BOA all day Saturday with finals (presumably) to be completed very late on Saturday followed by a 4-5 hour drive home and arrival time of ~4am, with rehearsal and championships late that Sunday followed by the drive home. The Sunday performance ensures they have no time off at all before they get home and into bed for school the next day (with one then making the same trip to NJ for US Bands finals later that week). I'm surprised both bands are doing both events that weekend, and it's the same reason I had assumed that we wouldn't see any NY bands with their championships also being late Sunday. I suppose that last part is TBD so I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
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Post by LeanderMomma on Jun 13, 2022 20:20:46 GMT -6
This all reminds me of when Hendrickson drove out to Waco early, then drove right back home for region then were going to drive out back to Waco AGAIN if they made finals. A crazy packed day. Or when Leander had their nationals flights right after state retreat in 2016 Yep! Crazy times in Texas, where you can drive all freakin day and never leave the state. 🤪 Wasn’t there also a time Cedar Park did DFW, got rained on and drove back home in time to do Texas Marching Classic? Or something crazy like that. I definitely remember the madness of GN 2016 for Leander. We did BOA SA Friday and Saturday, 6A state Tuesday and Wednesday (again in San Antonio), and then hoofed it back to Austin’s airport that afternoon to catch an overnight flight to Indy. Crazy times indeed!
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Post by cinnamonpromenade on Jun 13, 2022 23:37:44 GMT -6
I love the audacity of Wakefield and Dartmouth doing this show and then immediately booking it back to Massachusetts for NESBA circuit championships the next day. That feels like a kind of venture not usually attempted by any northeastern bands. I wonder if this could inspire any NY bands to follow suit (NYSFBC championships are also the next day) and/or any other Massachusetts bands to explore BOA, period. I hope so! I really want to see some of the NY regulars at this regional, and still holding out hope for the day we see Baldwinsville and Mineola. Mineola would be a great Class A addition to BOA. Does NYSFBC still run pretty late on Sunday night? If National class goes on super late on Sunday that could make for a very long weekend for some of those bands. Championships for the two most competitive classes begin at about 5 or 6 PM Sunday night, and retreat usually lasts until 10-10:30. Half these bands are within an hour of the Carrier Dome in Syracuse; these kids are expected to go to school the next day. I think only the Long Island/Hudson Valley bands stay overnight and drive home Monday. (This also means that these groups are burdened with an obligatory overnight trip every season that upstate NY bands don't need to fund for. To schedule a BOA trip would become even more expensive. I wonder if this is what holds back bigger groups like Arlington from doing BOA annually, or smaller groups like Mineola from ever making the attempt.)
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Post by neop on Jun 22, 2022 20:25:12 GMT -6
Deleted original post. Dartmouth High School confirmed for first ever BOA performance at this regional. This isn't a calendar update, but I have heard that Dartmouth is planning to attend GN eventually. Cool stuff!
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Post by statechamp1239 on Jun 23, 2022 9:22:39 GMT -6
Confirming another NJ first comer:
Cherokee H.S., NJ - (BOA Rutgers)
Source: Band Calendar
History: (Opened in 1975 in Marlton, NJ) They pretty much compete in everything USBands, Cavalcade of Bands, Tournament of Bands, and now BOA. They usually compete in A class in comp., but now they switch to Open Class this year for USBands.
Main competitor back then was Elizabeth HS, Somerville HS, West Milford HS, Vernon Township/Verona HS USBands Nationals: *Usually top 3* I don't have any previous competition placement before 2013 as some of the scores are hard to get.
- 2013 Group V A 2nd place National Champions out of 9 bands
*2014 Group V A National Champions out of 8 bands* *Beating West Milford HS (NJ) and Magnolia West (TX)* *First year Elizabeth HS (NJ) moved to Group V Open*
- 2015 Group V A Third place National Champions out of 10 bands
USBands NJ States: *2016 Group IV A State Champion out of 18 bands* *2017 Group IV A State Champion out of 12 bands*
2nd place: 2013: losing to Elizabeth HS 2014: losing to Somerville HS 4th place: 2015: (Group V-A) Losing to West Milford HS, Somerville HS, and Westfield HS 2018: (Group IV-A) Losing to Allentown HS, Pequannock Township HS, Nutley HS
USBands Yamaha Cup: 2012 Group V A 3rd place winner 2013 Group V A 2nd place winner 2016 Group IV A 8th place winner 2017 Group IV A 2nd place winner 2018 Group IV A 4th place winner
2019 Tournament of Bands NJ States Group III Open 2nd place winner losing to Eastern Regional HS 2021 Tournament of Bands NJ States Group III Open 4th place winner losing to Brick Memorial, Absegami HS, Egg Harbor Township HS
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Post by statechamp1239 on Jun 23, 2022 9:39:54 GMT -6
Out of curiosity, does NJ have any kind of State contest? Whether that is sponsored like Texas or Indiana, or unofficially like Illinois' ISU State contest? Or is USBands the defacto circuit then for them. Tournament of Bands and USBands were the only two defacto marching arts circuits that had NJ States Championships back then, but USBands was the popular States of the two, they usually had 100+ Attendee in three/two different locations. Tournament of Bands before would usually get below 30 bands competing in NJ States. Over the years TOB NJ States has become more popular for small bands and a small number of large band getting somewhere around 40-60 bands competing. In 2020 a group of directors I believe from Millville, Westfield, Clearview Regional, and Wayne Valley High Schools decided to form New Jersey Marching Band Director Association all before COVID to create NJ base sponsor marching arts organization. - "The New Jersey Marching Band Directors Association is a volunteer organization providing performance opportunities for all New Jersey marching bands, governed and facilitated by participating directors. We seek to expose all marching bands to the highest level of musical/visual adjudication, that ultimately fosters educational growth for our students, staff, and community at large. We fervently believe that all bands, regardless of size, budget, and resources, deserve the best possible performance and judging experiences. We are whole-heartedly committed to fiscal responsibility, as we keep requisite fees low, while simultaneously providing an infrastructure where host bands can have a successful fundraising experience." So we have three State Contest for NJMBDA, USBands, Tournament of Bands now. And Cavalcade of Bands has an NJ State Championships so now New Jersey has four State Contest more than any state for sure.
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Post by Marching Observer on Jun 23, 2022 11:21:53 GMT -6
That seems... Excessive heh. That would make more sense in a state like Texas with how big it is but UIL is the God King there lol. I believe California has 3? I know they have at least two for certain though.
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Post by yayband914 on Jun 23, 2022 11:29:57 GMT -6
That seems... Excessive heh. That would make more sense in a state like Texas with how big it is but UIL is the God King there lol. I believe California has 3? I know they have at least two for certain though. Especially for a state the size of a big toe. 😂 (Wait that’s Rhode Island. New Jersey, then, is a foot.)
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Post by marimba11 on Jun 23, 2022 11:32:03 GMT -6
That seems... Excessive heh. That would make more sense in a state like Texas with how big it is but UIL is the God King there lol. I believe California has 3? I know they have at least two for certain though. Especially for a state the size of a big toe. 😂 (Wait that’s Rhode Island. New Jersey, then, is a foot.) True, but it is the 11th most populated state
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Post by yayband914 on Jun 23, 2022 12:00:23 GMT -6
Especially for a state the size of a big toe. 😂 (Wait that’s Rhode Island. New Jersey, then, is a foot.) True, but it is the 11th most populated state Very fair.
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Post by hewhowaits on Jun 23, 2022 18:19:47 GMT -6
Just because some outfit calls something a "state championship" doesn't make it a State Championship. Only those states that have a single, state-sponsored championship event crown a State Champion. UIL, ISSMA, KMEA, and OBA are good examples (yes, there are others, but these are the best known).
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Post by mtnxdrew on Jun 24, 2022 11:49:17 GMT -6
They have never attended a BOA event. That is correct. In fact, I think King Phillip Regional is the only Massachusetts band to have ever competing in BOA (they won 4 regional titles and were in GN Semi Finals in the early 2000s). So Dartmouth will only be the second Massachusetts band to compete in BOA (somebody can correct me if I am wrong on that). Don’t quote me, but has KPR made finals at Nats? Their name just sounds so familiar.
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Post by neop on Jun 24, 2022 12:00:10 GMT -6
That is correct. In fact, I think King Phillip Regional is the only Massachusetts band to have ever competing in BOA (they won 4 regional titles and were in GN Semi Finals in the early 2000s). So Dartmouth will only be the second Massachusetts band to compete in BOA (somebody can correct me if I am wrong on that). Don’t quote me, but has KPR made finals at Nats? Their name just sounds so familiar. No, but they've been close. 15th in 2000 and 21st in 2001.
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Post by srv1084 on Jun 24, 2022 16:56:23 GMT -6
Don’t quote me, but has KPR made finals at Nats? Their name just sounds so familiar. No, but they've been close. 15th in 2000 and 21st in 2001. Apologies in advance for the terrible video and audio quality: The one thing that's bugged me all these years later isn't even them missing finals in 2000. It bummed me out, sure, but it was easy to justify as they had some music issues that were very noticeable, especially individually given their size. What really bugged me was their drop in visual performance score. They went from 3rd overall after prelims in both visual performance and visual GE (beating the eventual visual caption winner Tarpon Springs, only behind Marian and PCEP) all the way down to 15th in visual performance. Yikes.
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Post by itsjustband on Jul 16, 2022 23:41:16 GMT -6
Confirmed: Alpharetta H.S., GA (band instagram post)
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Post by hewhowaits on Aug 4, 2022 12:51:38 GMT -6
Update on MFA site 8/4
remove Alpharetta H.S., GA (they switched to Johnson City)
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Post by trumpet300 on Aug 19, 2022 14:02:22 GMT -6
This isn't the most stacked regional of the year but I'm excited for this one...I like to see BOA in a "new" area and I think seeing Dartmouth in the BOA realm will be cool. I haven't seen anything from them this season, but looking at past shows from recent years, I think Dartmouth will definitely be top half, maybe even top 3 but I don't think their show design will stack up against James Madison or Norwin. They play and March well but BOA is very GE oriented so unless they change some things, I don't see them overtaking Madison or Norwin but who knows?!?! Gotta love having a wildcard!
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