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Post by yayband914 on Jan 17, 2022 11:19:03 GMT -6
Confirmed: Colleyville Heritage H.S., TX DROP: Colleyville Heritage H.S., TX What happened to "confirmed" here? That's why the list of bands should be called something other than "confirmed," IMO. Colleyville Heritage won't be an error on the final speculative list of "confirmed" bands, but it WAS incorrect to call them "confirmed" at one time. I would also like to know what happened with that. In what way does the broad and vague “DEFINITE band competition” translate to “Bands of America St. Louis competition”? I propose that if someone wants to consider a band “confirmed,” they must include the source of their information to be considered, otherwise it will not be added to the lists. If you get your information from band calendars, they must specifically mention that they are attending a BOA competition, without TBAs or TBDs or any other ambiguities. I admit I sometimes do not double check third-party confirmations due to the sheer volume of upkeep. hewhowaits and I have been messaging back and forth, and he proposed an “On Band Calendar” list rather than a “Confirmed” list, which I think is a good alternative. But, there are many cases in which we do know for certain that a band is attending a show, and come the time BOA releases the official enrollment lists, ours usually match pretty closely. I am also not the biggest fan of the idea of maintaining four different sets of lists in 28 different threads; big difference between 84 and 112. 🤪 It might warrant moving this to a new or different thread, but if anyone has any suggestions, I’m all ears. I appreciate and enjoy everyone’s contributions to the unofficial enrollment lists, but we just want them to be credible.
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Post by LeanderMomma Fan on Jan 17, 2022 16:17:12 GMT -6
I don’t really see it as a big deal, I mean I knew Colleyviller Heritage had definite plans from their directors that they were going.
Plans change🤷🏻♂️
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Post by neop on Jan 17, 2022 20:48:16 GMT -6
I'm cool with whatever change is made, just let us know
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Post by lostchoirguy on Jan 17, 2022 23:38:56 GMT -6
I know it's more work for those who are searching through calendars and all, but I don't really see the issue with people posting speculative information based on vague band calendars. We are talking about events 8+ months from now. It doesn't need to be perfect. Some of these speculations are the only interesting things we have to talk about right now.
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Post by neop on Jan 18, 2022 0:22:15 GMT -6
I know it's more work for those who are searching through calendars and all, but I don't really see the issue with people posting speculative information based on vague band calendars. We are talking about events 8+ months from now. It doesn't need to be perfect. Some of these speculations are the only interesting things we have to talk about right now. I agree with this, I thoroughly enjoy hearing rumors and speculating.
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Post by hewhowaits on Jan 18, 2022 6:25:44 GMT -6
I know it's more work for those who are searching through calendars and all, but I don't really see the issue with people posting speculative information based on vague band calendars. We are talking about events 8+ months from now. It doesn't need to be perfect. Some of these speculations are the only interesting things we have to talk about right now. I agree with this, I thoroughly enjoy hearing rumors and speculating. Rumors and speculation belong on a list of "possible" bands, not those who are "confirmed" to be attending.
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Post by supersound on Jan 18, 2022 8:09:28 GMT -6
I don’t see the issue. Coleyville Heritage was 100% confirmed but things came up that made the directors have to reconsider and cut the trip. Their intention was always to go to St.Louis and it wasn’t wrong to call them confirmed at the time.
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Post by neop on Jan 18, 2022 14:25:42 GMT -6
I agree with this, I thoroughly enjoy hearing rumors and speculating. Rumors and speculation belong on a list of "possible" bands, not those who are "confirmed" to be attending. Fair, but then the question is this: How much does it matter that our lists here are at least somewhat incorrect? Everything we're examining here would fall under speculation, as even bands that plan to attend events now might pull out of them later. It's very possible that a band could be "confirmed" one day and drop the competition the next. Sure, we could adjust our terminology, but do we know how many people are actually put off by the "confirmed" thing? I think we need more input. Nobody can predict the future with these attendance lists, and even if we kept the word "confirmed" reserved for when we know "for certain" (ex. right before an event begins, which isn't very helpful), what if someone pulls out last minute? Should we not have called them confirmed? I do understand that we're stretching the word "confirmed" in our lists here, but how much does that really matter if nobody is technically ever confirmed until they step onto the field? I think one should read "confirmed" as "expected to be attending at this very moment." I also hope I'm not coming off like I'm trying to fight or anything, my tone is just rather dry.
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Post by yayband914 on Jan 18, 2022 15:50:37 GMT -6
Rumors and speculation belong on a list of "possible" bands, not those who are "confirmed" to be attending. Fair, but then the question is this: How much does it matter that our lists here are at least somewhat incorrect? Everything we're examining here would fall under speculation, as even bands that plan to attend events now might pull out of them later. It's very possible that a band could be "confirmed" one day and drop the competition the next. Sure, we could adjust our terminology, but do we know how many people are actually put off by the "confirmed" thing? I think we need more input. Nobody can predict the future with these attendance lists, and even if we kept the word "confirmed" reserved for when we know "for certain" (ex. right before an event begins, which isn't very helpful), what if someone pulls out last minute? Should we not have called them confirmed? I do understand that we're stretching the word "confirmed" in our lists here, but how much does that really matter if nobody is technically ever confirmed until they step onto the field? I think one should read "confirmed" as "expected to be attending at this very moment." I also hope I'm not coming off like I'm trying to fight or anything, my tone is just rather dry. I completely agree. It is an imperfect system, for sure. I was approached about perhaps finding a better way to classify/categorize bands and wanted to get some input and/or suggestions from everyone, because I can’t think of a better way, given that it is imperfect. And while there have been many baseless claims in the past, they were almost always from irregular contributors. This is not to say the Colleyville claim was baseless, but I guess it was the one to garner some attention about this topic. I also tend to come across very dry so I think my initial response about this topic seemed more pointed than I actually meant it to be. All of this to say, as it implies in my signature, and as you stated, I think it is important to remember that “Confirmed” doesn’t actually mean confirmed until that band steps onto the field. This goes for even the official Music for All enrollment lists as well, as we’ve had several instances last year where bands have to drop, including the day of, due to transportation issues, mass quarantines, etc. So, unless better verbiage appears, I think moving forward, things will continue to go smoothly if two things happen: 1. Contributors, all I ask is that you please list your source(s) of information when claiming a band is confirmed. Otherwise, rumors are rumors. 2. Readers, don’t put that much stock or expectation into what you see, and remember that “confirmed” is a loose term in these contexts. I am so grateful for conversations like these, and I appreciate everybody on this forum, especially those that regularly help out with gathering info for our unofficial enrollment lists. Gathering all this information is fun — for the craziest of us 😂 — and FOR fun, so let’s keep it that way!
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Post by LeanderMomma on Jan 19, 2022 11:53:13 GMT -6
This whole conversation just showcases how different our personalities here really are! While I’m thoroughly a Type A personality, I really don’t care if there is a CONFIRMED list and a band that is listed there has plans change that removes them from the list. But I appreciate that it drives some of y’all crazy when this happens and I respect that. I also respect all the time and effort that goes into digging up the information in the first place. And like another member said, frankly it gives us something to talk about right now! 🥰
Now, about that Leander St Louis rumor… 🤔
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Post by LeanderMomma on Jan 19, 2022 16:14:11 GMT -6
This whole conversation just showcases how different our personalities here really are! While I’m thoroughly a Type A personality, I really don’t care if there is a CONFIRMED list and a band that is listed there has plans change that removes them from the list. But I appreciate that it drives some of y’all crazy when this happens and I respect that. I also respect all the time and effort that goes into digging up the information in the first place. And like another member said, frankly it gives us something to talk about right now! 🥰 Now, about that Leander St Louis rumor… 🤔 Sounds like the rumor might be more about a potential out of state competition in general and not a specific one at this point. If they are traveling, I would expect it to be to Indy as in years past, but there are other possibilities as well. Can’t wait to find out!
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