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Post by ilikeguard on Sept 26, 2022 13:32:32 GMT -6
No schedule yet, but here is the lineup for the Branson Marching Invitational on October 15:
Charles Page High School - Sand Springs, OK Houston High School - Houston, MO Camdenton High School - Camdenton, MO Grandview High School - Grandview, MO Mountain Home High School - Mountain Home, AR Thayer High School - Thayer, MO Salem High School - Salem, MO Republic High School - Republic, MO Clever High School - Clever, MO Spokane High School - Spokane, MO Strafford High School - Strafford, MO Muskogee High School - Muskogee, OK Kickapoo High School - Kickapoo, MO St. James High School - St. James, MO Reeds Spring High School - Reeds Spring, MO Ozark High School - Ozark, MO Willow Springs High School - Willow Springs, MO Siloam Springs High School - Siloam Springs, AR Forsyth High School - Forsyth, MO Van Buren High School - Van Buren, AR
Interesting that a couple of these bands that are past St. Louis finalists are skipping to perform here instead. I expect the top placements to be Camdenton, Kickapoo, a sizeable gap, and then Ozark and Van Buren (although I haven't seen that last group since 2017).
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Post by cornet on Sept 27, 2022 7:37:09 GMT -6
Cleveland's home show in NC featured an uncorrected tabulation error in the spreadsheet template resulting the wrong grand champion being crowned!
Four bands scored some version of 67, West Johnston, Smithfield Selma, Corinth Holders and Carteret. West announced as winner but it was actually Carteret.
Very suppressed scores, the judges here apparently taking early season dirt seriously. I suspect the top four will be right there with Green Hope, who scored 73 elsewhere, come Winston. I think all of them are there.
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Post by cornet on Sept 27, 2022 7:48:41 GMT -6
Also of note in NC is Cape Fear getting 20 pointed by Green Level and barely finishing in front of Willow Springs, a school with no seniors. They were already struggling a bit but with their long time director having retired, it appears they are starting over a bit.
Cape Fear was a program some others loved to hate in my observation as they were a bit more insular and less supportive of other bands but they are missed for their ridiculously good guard program and overall showmanship.
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Post by guardfather on Sept 30, 2022 5:37:43 GMT -6
Brandon Valley is a bigger band this year and definitely sounds like one without losing quality. I had the pleasure of being in Marshall and definitely came out impress. It wasn't an easy delineation anymore between BV and Lincoln. It seems BV is getting closer to Lincoln and Rosemount every year. I'm very happy about those future upper midwest competitions. I'm a bit depress with the state of Marshall, and for that matter EP. These bands used to be big dominant bands of the upper midwest but for different reasons have definitely seen challenges in their programs. I really hope that they could find a way to get back to how they use to be and compete again with Rosemount, Lincoln, and now Brandon Valley. As someone from the area, it is nice to see Brandon Valley emerging as a power in their own right! Ever since Shane Macklin left Roosevelt HS, it eventually took the form of Lincoln being in a league of their own in the Sioux Falls metro area. I'm really hoping Brandon goes to St. Louis or Iowa at some point! Given the circumstances around their first BOA appearance in 2018 (first year of a new director after an abrupt resignation), it's been wonderful to see the progression become more complete! They have their home show this weekend, but now they can be considered serious favorites for field sweepstakes at Festival of Bands on October 1, which would be a first for them, if memory serves me right. BV is certainly spending at a level closer to southern bands (new equipment, props, trucks, special uniforms, etc.), which helps. They will be able to spend/invest more $$ than Lincoln, but not Rosemount, so I think that dynamic will continue to shift.
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Post by theangrybavarian on Sept 30, 2022 23:56:05 GMT -6
Branson Marching Invitational on October 15: Camdenton High School - Camdenton, MO Kickapoo High School - Kickapoo, MO Interesting that a couple of these bands that are past St. Louis finalists are skipping to perform here instead. I expect the top placements to be Camdenton, Kickapoo, a sizeable gap, and then Ozark and Van Buren (although I haven't seen that last group since 2017). Kickapoo and Camdenton skipping is a bit strange...both certainly would be contenders for Finals.
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Post by ilikeguard on Oct 1, 2022 6:37:50 GMT -6
Branson Marching Invitational on October 15: Camdenton High School - Camdenton, MO Kickapoo High School - Kickapoo, MO Interesting that a couple of these bands that are past St. Louis finalists are skipping to perform here instead. I expect the top placements to be Camdenton, Kickapoo, a sizeable gap, and then Ozark and Van Buren (although I haven't seen that last group since 2017). Kickapoo and Camdenton skipping is a bit strange...both certainly would be contenders for Finals. I have yet to see Camdenton in uniform yet, but I’ve heard the music and I’ll really enjoying it. Kickapoo is really fantastic this year as well. Branson is certainly closer for Kickapoo, and I can see reasons why both would opt to attend Indianapolis over St. Louis, but I do agree that it would have been a great year for them to both to get into St. Louis finals. The Branson area is certainly in for a treat with both of them!
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Post by statechamp1239 on Oct 2, 2022 8:50:09 GMT -6
New Jersey News NJMBDA Randolph Contest: Elizabeth 2021 Class 3A State Champions has placed fourth place behind in order West Orange, Verona, and surprisingly Ridgewood. WOHS to EHS 6.3-point difference. Had the 8th overall highest score.
West Orange winning the Class 3A with a huge lead from 1st and 2nd of 3.5 points.
Roxbury won the Class 1A/2A
NJMBDA JPS Contest: Bridgewater 2021 State Champions place third behind in order Old Bridge and Immaculata in Class 2A. BRHS to OBHS 3-point difference.
Edison HS (NJ) has won the JPS competition. But what fascinating is Clearview Regional (NJ) has gone up a group (Class AAA) and placed 2nd just 1.5 points behind Edison (NJ)
Montgomery HS (NJ) has gone increasingly competitive placing fourth out of 8 bands beating SPF, Ridge, East Brunswick, and Livingston.
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Post by bigtrombone on Oct 2, 2022 18:55:57 GMT -6
Less than a week out but here are my Youth In Music Finals Predictions:
1. Rosemount H.S., MN (Class AAAA Champion) 2. Lincoln H.S., SD 3. Millard West H.S., NE (Class AAA Champion) 4. Brandon Valley H.S., SD 5. Eastview H.S., MN 6. Irondale H.S., MN 7. Davenport Central H.S., IA 8. Eden Prairie H.S., MN 9. Lakeville South H.S., MN (Class AA Champion) 10. Hastings H.S., MN (Class A Champion)
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Post by pitplayer19 on Oct 2, 2022 21:58:19 GMT -6
Some very interesting results out of Bridgerland this Saturday in Utah. Up and coming Farmington did not finish strong at all, only taking 4th place in their division . From what I’ve heard they don’t seem to be as strong as last year. Hopefully they can increase their scores in the coming weeks. Westlake got a huge 2nd place, one of the best finishes the band has had in years in the Utah circuit. They have seemed to finally get out of their slump they’ve been in for past 3-5ish years and I would expect a great finish at St. George in November. Davis got a pretty solid 3rd, even with a .58 penalty. Green Canyon seems to look a little vulnerable in their new division, but I think they still will claim state in their division come November. I wouldn’t take the very high scores from all the bands too heavily, however, considering the scores for the past two Utah competitions. Needless to say American Fork doesn’t appear to be going anywhere other than the top at state.
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Post by northbanddad on Oct 3, 2022 0:24:43 GMT -6
Less than a week out but here are my Youth In Music Finals Predictions: 1. Rosemount H.S., MN (Class AAAA Champion) 2. Lincoln H.S., SD 3. Millard West H.S., NE (Class AAA Champion) 4. Brandon Valley H.S., SD 5. Eastview H.S., MN 6. Irondale H.S., MN 7. Davenport Central H.S., IA 8. Eden Prairie H.S., MN 9. Lakeville South H.S., MN (Class AA Champion) 10. Hastings H.S., MN (Class A Champion) I have BV over Millard West but I won't be surprise by this result either base on the GRI results. I have not seen Rosemount's show aside from pictures, but is there any possibility of an upset here from Lincoln? I could see where similar to BOA Iowa, Lincoln could possibly have a much cleaner show than Rosemount at this point. Regardless, this seems to be a much closer competition than in past years. I'm excited to watch the shows in Minneapolis next weekend.
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Post by bigtrombone on Oct 3, 2022 7:58:13 GMT -6
Less than a week out but here are my Youth In Music Finals Predictions: 1. Rosemount H.S., MN (Class AAAA Champion) 2. Lincoln H.S., SD 3. Millard West H.S., NE (Class AAA Champion) 4. Brandon Valley H.S., SD 5. Eastview H.S., MN 6. Irondale H.S., MN 7. Davenport Central H.S., IA 8. Eden Prairie H.S., MN 9. Lakeville South H.S., MN (Class AA Champion) 10. Hastings H.S., MN (Class A Champion) I have BV over Millard West but I won't be surprise by this result either base on the GRI results. I have not seen Rosemount's show aside from pictures, but is there any possibility of an upset here from Lincoln? I could see where similar to BOA Iowa, Lincoln could possibly have a much cleaner show than Rosemount at this point. Regardless, this seems to be a much closer competition than in past years. I'm excited to watch the shows in Minneapolis next weekend. Rosemount is a lot bigger this year than last (going to the Rose Parade helps with that) and they still have Wes Cartwright as their designer. Considering after this weekend they only have 2 more shows (Waukee & Grand Nationals), they should have their full product on the field. Lincoln could take a caption or 2 (such as Visual GE and Guard) but I still think Rosemount has the edge over them. I wouldn't rule out a potential Lincoln upset, but I do think it's unlikely. The one thing that is keeping me from putting Brandon over Millard West is visual. I saw Brandon at Festival of Bands this last weekend and while they have the best music book I've heard from them in awhile, the visual performance seemed a bit dirty. Brandon also added electronic screens to their front ensemble, which in my opinion, was more of a distraction than an enhancement. I would feel a bit more confident in Millard West placing third if I knew what their point difference to Blue Springs South was in the Purple Show but I'll give them the slight advantage. Eastview should be solidly in, and despite not being close to the levels that they've been prior, Irondale is usually a safe lock to make finals here. Davenport Central's show really impressed me at Iowa and I think they should be safely in here. Eden Prairie, I have just barely in, but I could also see Grand Rapids possibly sneaking ahead of them. Lakeville South and Hastings should easily win their respective classes to earn their finals spots.
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Post by doublegeez on Oct 3, 2022 9:51:03 GMT -6
Less than a week out but here are my Youth In Music Finals Predictions: 1. Rosemount H.S., MN (Class AAAA Champion) 2. Lincoln H.S., SD 3. Millard West H.S., NE (Class AAA Champion) 4. Brandon Valley H.S., SD 5. Eastview H.S., MN 6. Irondale H.S., MN 7. Davenport Central H.S., IA 8. Eden Prairie H.S., MN 9. Lakeville South H.S., MN (Class AA Champion) 10. Hastings H.S., MN (Class A Champion) I have BV over Millard West but I won't be surprise by this result either base on the GRI results. I have not seen Rosemount's show aside from pictures, but is there any possibility of an upset here from Lincoln? I could see where similar to BOA Iowa, Lincoln could possibly have a much cleaner show than Rosemount at this point. Regardless, this seems to be a much closer competition than in past years. I'm excited to watch the shows in Minneapolis next weekend. As was said by Bigtrombone, it’s very unlikely for a Lincoln upset but taking captions is very possible. I’ve watched both shows very recently and I’m unsure about if Lincoln has a full show on the field but I know Rosemount does at this point and they are killing it. Average scores are looking lower than last year for Rosemount by a point through scores at recent events but that could be the hype from getting off a year of not doing marching band dying off from the judges perspective. They look very clean and their low brass is phenomenal for Rosemount this year, more so than usual. I’ll be there for YIM but as before it’s unlikely for any upsets, especially with more cleaning being done this week. I’ll let it be known that anything is possible 👌
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Post by bigtrombone on Oct 3, 2022 10:25:05 GMT -6
I have BV over Millard West but I won't be surprise by this result either base on the GRI results. I have not seen Rosemount's show aside from pictures, but is there any possibility of an upset here from Lincoln? I could see where similar to BOA Iowa, Lincoln could possibly have a much cleaner show than Rosemount at this point. Regardless, this seems to be a much closer competition than in past years. I'm excited to watch the shows in Minneapolis next weekend. As was said by Bigtrombone, it’s very unlikely for a Lincoln upset but taking captions is very possible. I’ve watched both shows very recently and I’m unsure about if Lincoln has a full show on the field but I know Rosemount does at this point and they are killing it. Average scores are looking lower than last year for Rosemount by a point through scores at recent events but that could be the hype from getting off a year of not doing marching band dying off from the judges perspective. They look very clean and their low brass is phenomenal for Rosemount this year, more so than usual. I’ll be there for YIM but as before it’s unlikely for any upsets, especially with more cleaning being done this week. I’ll let it be known that anything is possible 👌 To add on to this, both Cartwright and Colton Hines will be at rehearsals this week to give feedback.
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Post by iwasinbandbackthen on Oct 3, 2022 11:10:18 GMT -6
I have BV over Millard West but I won't be surprise by this result either base on the GRI results. I have not seen Rosemount's show aside from pictures, but is there any possibility of an upset here from Lincoln? I could see where similar to BOA Iowa, Lincoln could possibly have a much cleaner show than Rosemount at this point. Regardless, this seems to be a much closer competition than in past years. I'm excited to watch the shows in Minneapolis next weekend. As was said by Bigtrombone, it’s very unlikely for a Lincoln upset but taking captions is very possible. I’ve watched both shows very recently and I’m unsure about if Lincoln has a full show on the field but I know Rosemount does at this point and they are killing it. Average scores are looking lower than last year for Rosemount by a point through scores at recent events but that could be the hype from getting off a year of not doing marching band dying off from the judges perspective. They look very clean and their low brass is phenomenal for Rosemount this year, more so than usual. I’ll be there for YIM but as before it’s unlikely for any upsets, especially with more cleaning being done this week. I’ll let it be known that anything is possible 👌 One thing I wonder about in terms of scoring is the fact Rosemount really hasn't really gone head to head with anyone in their competitive neighborhood this year. They've seen Brandon Valley and Eastview head to head, but those two bands, while great, are not quite at Rosemount's level. Rosemount has not gone head to head with Lincoln yet, who would likely be the Upper Midwet band closest to them competitively. At Champlin Park, Rosemount was nearly 14 points ahead of their nearest competitor (Hastings). Because the judges haven't had to really compare Rosemount to anyone comparable, the numbers we are seeing are possibly reflecting a ballpark placement and not an actual competitive placement. It'll be interesting to see what happens next weekend scorewise when Lincoln is in the mix and there is a stronger reference point. Could Lincoln drive Rosemount higher in some captions? What happens scorewise if Lincoln takes a caption or two?
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Post by doublegeez on Oct 3, 2022 11:40:52 GMT -6
As was said by Bigtrombone, it’s very unlikely for a Lincoln upset but taking captions is very possible. I’ve watched both shows very recently and I’m unsure about if Lincoln has a full show on the field but I know Rosemount does at this point and they are killing it. Average scores are looking lower than last year for Rosemount by a point through scores at recent events but that could be the hype from getting off a year of not doing marching band dying off from the judges perspective. They look very clean and their low brass is phenomenal for Rosemount this year, more so than usual. I’ll be there for YIM but as before it’s unlikely for any upsets, especially with more cleaning being done this week. I’ll let it be known that anything is possible 👌 One thing I wonder about in terms of scoring is the fact Rosemount really hasn't really gone head to head with anyone in their competitive neighborhood this year. They've seen Brandon Valley and Eastview head to head, but those two bands, while great, are not quite at Rosemount's level. Rosemount has not gone head to head with Lincoln yet, who would likely be the Upper Midwet band closest to them competitively. At Champlin Park, Rosemount was nearly 14 points ahead of their nearest competitor (Hastings). Because the judges haven't had to really compare Rosemount to anyone comparable, the numbers we are seeing are possibly reflecting a ballpark placement and not an actual competitive placement. It'll be interesting to see what happens next weekend scorewise when Lincoln is in the mix and there is a stronger reference point. Could Lincoln drive Rosemount higher in some captions? What happens scorewise if Lincoln takes a caption or two? Oooooo good take!! Didn’t think of it like that!! Makes me more excited for YIM!!!
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Post by cornet on Oct 3, 2022 13:29:41 GMT -6
Ian took out all the NC shows last week. This week there's a show with pretty much all the top bands who then meet in Winston. Should have an idea of who, if anybody is a GN semis contender.
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Post by redteam1114 on Oct 3, 2022 14:39:59 GMT -6
As was said by Bigtrombone, it’s very unlikely for a Lincoln upset but taking captions is very possible. I’ve watched both shows very recently and I’m unsure about if Lincoln has a full show on the field but I know Rosemount does at this point and they are killing it. Average scores are looking lower than last year for Rosemount by a point through scores at recent events but that could be the hype from getting off a year of not doing marching band dying off from the judges perspective. They look very clean and their low brass is phenomenal for Rosemount this year, more so than usual. I’ll be there for YIM but as before it’s unlikely for any upsets, especially with more cleaning being done this week. I’ll let it be known that anything is possible 👌 One thing I wonder about in terms of scoring is the fact Rosemount really hasn't really gone head to head with anyone in their competitive neighborhood this year. They've seen Brandon Valley and Eastview head to head, but those two bands, while great, are not quite at Rosemount's level. Rosemount has not gone head to head with Lincoln yet, who would likely be the Upper Midwet band closest to them competitively. At Champlin Park, Rosemount was nearly 14 points ahead of their nearest competitor (Hastings). Because the judges haven't had to really compare Rosemount to anyone comparable, the numbers we are seeing are possibly reflecting a ballpark placement and not an actual competitive placement. It'll be interesting to see what happens next weekend scorewise when Lincoln is in the mix and there is a stronger reference point. Could Lincoln drive Rosemount higher in some captions? What happens scorewise if Lincoln takes a caption or two? To further build on this, last year, the captions that Lincoln won at this show in finals were visual performance, visual general effect, and colorguard. I feel that Lincoln probably will take colorguard again, granted there is no designation for score tabulation in BOA. Having a winter guard has definitely paid dividends for Lincoln on that front. Early on at their BOA appearances, visual is what held them back, but it's now becoming a strength of theirs. For what it's worth, it feels that the wind ensemble sound is tighter than it was last year, and this is with arguably a tougher horn book than 2021. There was a slight percussion ensemble tear in their home show performance, but that will be addressed this week before YIM. All of Lincoln's elements weren't included by YIM last year, and they finished only 0.9 behind Rosemount. And then 2 weeks later in St. Louis, Lincoln was 1.1 AHEAD of Rosemount in prelims. As far as what results will serve as any indication with the bands going to St. Louis the following week (Lincoln and Millard West), it's been shown to be a semi-reliable marker at best. In a way, you have to ignore the percussion and colorguard captions and look at the performance and GE parts of the sheet. In 2018, Eden Prairie finished 0.3 ahead of Lincoln to edge ahead for 2nd place, but that was mostly accomplished through taking both percussion and guard (which both for EP were very good as a section that fall). The following week at the Indianapolis Super Regional, Lincoln was 15th and Eden Prairie was 26th. It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out this weekend nonetheless!
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Post by mnbandfan on Oct 3, 2022 17:01:19 GMT -6
Interesting take Redteam1114. Rosemount won all captions at Youth in Music in the afternoon show and beat Lincoln by 1.2. That is the first time in the history of YIM that one group won all captions. At 2021 BOA St. Louis, Rosemount beat Lincoln by 1.4 in finals.
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Post by redteam1114 on Oct 3, 2022 17:38:38 GMT -6
Interesting take Redteam1114. Rosemount won all captions at Youth in Music in the afternoon show and beat Lincoln by 1.2. That is the first time in the history of YIM that one group won all captions. At 2021 BOA St. Louis, Rosemount beat Lincoln by 1.4 in finals. I agree that Rosemount had a much stronger run in finals than in prelims in St. Louis last year. Definitely an impressive feat in taking all captions in the afternoon show last fall, but that also speaks to how strong Lincoln was if they were only 1.2 behind without winning a single caption out of six on the score sheets. As bigtrombone said, the possibility of a Lincoln win is slim, but not zero. However, I'm thinking it will be close again as it was last year. What excites me is that this is Lincoln and Millard West's final tuneup before St. Louis, the event has a larger lineup than it's ever had, and we get to see many quality programs, including two of the nation's best, perform. Envious of all who get to see it in person!
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Post by doublegeez on Oct 3, 2022 17:55:24 GMT -6
One thing I wonder about in terms of scoring is the fact Rosemount really hasn't really gone head to head with anyone in their competitive neighborhood this year. They've seen Brandon Valley and Eastview head to head, but those two bands, while great, are not quite at Rosemount's level. Rosemount has not gone head to head with Lincoln yet, who would likely be the Upper Midwet band closest to them competitively. At Champlin Park, Rosemount was nearly 14 points ahead of their nearest competitor (Hastings). Because the judges haven't had to really compare Rosemount to anyone comparable, the numbers we are seeing are possibly reflecting a ballpark placement and not an actual competitive placement. It'll be interesting to see what happens next weekend scorewise when Lincoln is in the mix and there is a stronger reference point. Could Lincoln drive Rosemount higher in some captions? What happens scorewise if Lincoln takes a caption or two? To further build on this, last year, the captions that Lincoln won at this show in finals were visual performance, visual general effect, and colorguard. I feel that Lincoln probably will take colorguard again, granted there is no designation for score tabulation in BOA. Having a winter guard has definitely paid dividends for Lincoln on that front. Early on at their BOA appearances, visual is what held them back, but it's now becoming a strength of theirs. For what it's worth, it feels that the wind ensemble sound is tighter than it was last year, and this is with arguably a tougher horn book than 2021. There was a slight percussion ensemble tear in their home show performance, but that will be addressed this week before YIM. All of Lincoln's elements weren't included by YIM last year, and they finished only 0.9 behind Rosemount. And then 2 weeks later in St. Louis, Lincoln was 1.1 AHEAD of Rosemount in prelims. As far as what results will serve as any indication with the bands going to St. Louis the following week (Lincoln and Millard West), it's been shown to be a semi-reliable marker at best. In a way, you have to ignore the percussion and colorguard captions and look at the performance and GE parts of the sheet. In 2018, Eden Prairie finished 0.3 ahead of Lincoln to edge ahead for 2nd place, but that was mostly accomplished through taking both percussion and guard (which both for EP were very good as a section that fall). The following week at the Indianapolis Super Regional, Lincoln was 15th and Eden Prairie was 26th. It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out this weekend nonetheless! that St. Louis run wasn’t ideal, timing problems and prop blockage that went unfixed hindered that prelims run. You can even watch the prelims online and see how the pre show had two different tempos on the field
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Post by bandsquirrel32 on Oct 3, 2022 19:08:58 GMT -6
Less than a week out but here are my Youth In Music Finals Predictions: 1. Rosemount H.S., MN (Class AAAA Champion) 2. Lincoln H.S., SD 3. Millard West H.S., NE (Class AAA Champion) 4. Brandon Valley H.S., SD 5. Eastview H.S., MN 6. Irondale H.S., MN 7. Davenport Central H.S., IA 8. Eden Prairie H.S., MN 9. Lakeville South H.S., MN (Class AA Champion) 10. Hastings H.S., MN (Class A Champion) I would agree with others sentiments here that Rosemount and Lincoln should be close. Rosemount has the better GE imo, but since this show is not scored like a BOA show, I think Lincoln has a shot. Millard West, Brandon Valley and Eastview should be competitive with each other for 3rd. I know Millard West outscored Eastview just last weekend, however that competition was scored very differently than YIM will be scored (Golden Regiment Invitational was GE heavy) and the US Bank stadium could make a difference in sound vs. an open air football field. I have no idea where Irondale sits right now - they haven't competed head to head against any MN band. Given their history, I would expect them to be in finals. Based on the results of the BOA Iowa regional, I would also put Davenport Central in finals. I could see Eden Prairie, Grand Rapids, or SF Roosevelt taking the last spot. I am in agreement that Lakeville South should win AA, but I'm not sure exactly where SF Roosevelt is at this point, and I think they could be competitive with Eden Prairie. Hastings does have some competition for the Class A championship but they are the favorites - Blaine could make a run at them, and there are a couple of bands in class A I have never heard of (Osseo, Hutchinson, Maple Grove, Harrisburg).
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Post by mnbandfan on Oct 3, 2022 20:39:55 GMT -6
Redteam. The sheets that are used in the upper midwest do not allow for a huge point spread thus the shows tend to "look" closer than they are. Also, the St. Louis regional is not stacked this year - not even close to what it has been like in the past.
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Post by redteam1114 on Oct 3, 2022 22:05:03 GMT -6
Redteam. The sheets that are used in the upper midwest do not allow for a huge point spread thus the shows tend to "look" closer than they are. Also, the St. Louis regional is not stacked this year - not even close to what it has been like in the past. Don't worry, I know how the sheets work. Seen them in work for the past 15 years, so I feel like I have a decent handle on them 😊 I definitely appreciate your passion on the subject at hand, and it's ok to go up to bat for your state's groups. But at the end of the day, it's just band. Not worth going out of the way to put words in my mouth regarding anything. Never said the St. Louis show was stacked. At the end of the day, I'm cheering on not just my alma mater, but any kid that steps on to that field and does their thing. Watching them makes me wish I could've performed shows like the ones being fielded now during my high school career. I'm just a cheerleader for everyone now, and no numeric results are going to put a damper on my enjoyment of the art being put on display 😊
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Post by bigtrombone on Oct 3, 2022 22:15:40 GMT -6
To further build on this, last year, the captions that Lincoln won at this show in finals were visual performance, visual general effect, and colorguard. I feel that Lincoln probably will take colorguard again, granted there is no designation for score tabulation in BOA. Having a winter guard has definitely paid dividends for Lincoln on that front. Early on at their BOA appearances, visual is what held them back, but it's now becoming a strength of theirs. For what it's worth, it feels that the wind ensemble sound is tighter than it was last year, and this is with arguably a tougher horn book than 2021. There was a slight percussion ensemble tear in their home show performance, but that will be addressed this week before YIM. All of Lincoln's elements weren't included by YIM last year, and they finished only 0.9 behind Rosemount. And then 2 weeks later in St. Louis, Lincoln was 1.1 AHEAD of Rosemount in prelims. As far as what results will serve as any indication with the bands going to St. Louis the following week (Lincoln and Millard West), it's been shown to be a semi-reliable marker at best. In a way, you have to ignore the percussion and colorguard captions and look at the performance and GE parts of the sheet. In 2018, Eden Prairie finished 0.3 ahead of Lincoln to edge ahead for 2nd place, but that was mostly accomplished through taking both percussion and guard (which both for EP were very good as a section that fall). The following week at the Indianapolis Super Regional, Lincoln was 15th and Eden Prairie was 26th. It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out this weekend nonetheless! As apart of that St. Louis run last year, we had horrible timing and a lot of unaddressed issues going blindly into that prelims run with many drum major and prop problems We were lucky to have made finals last year hahaha Hey it all worked out by the time y'all got to Indy. Serious question though, since you've been a part of the Rosemount program and have seen their 2022 program how would you compare it to the other shows that Wes Cartwright designed for you guys last year and in 2019?
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Post by redteam1114 on Oct 4, 2022 9:25:52 GMT -6
Definitely can't wait to watch one of Rosemount’s shows online if and when I get the chance to!
If my budget allows for it, I may make the drive to Indianapolis for semifinals to see them in person!
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Post by northbanddad on Oct 4, 2022 11:53:10 GMT -6
Thanks a bunch for the insight! It absolutely provided clarity regarding the transition from 2018 to 2019. In a way, it felt like I was watching the same school but with two completely different identities. But I'm thrilled to see the progression of the program, and can't wait to watch this show online when I get the chance to! If my budget allows for it, I may make the drive to Indianapolis for semifinals to see them in person! Ditto. The change in 2019 was apparent, I would even say confusing to some. My friends son was in the Rosemount band that year, and they kept telling me that they didn’t understand the show. They were so used to a “storytelling musical” type show. At the start of the season, I had to forward them clips of what Broken Arrow shows looked to give them a better sense of it. Needless to say they love it in the end. Noting the attributes of their show from years past, I think this partnership with Wes is perfect. In 2019, right out of the gate they beat Blue Springs in the BOA Iowa Prelims, then almost won their first Regional Finals. I was fascinated with their 2021 show, not because it’s the greatest, but because it depicts a better clarity and intent of the program going forward. And while it’s not perfect, I actually thought they sounded and looked better than previous years. I’m excited to see their show at YIM this weekend, and the progression they continue to make. As a consumer, I really hope they continue this partnership with Wes for the longterm. One more thing, through connections I know the area very well, Rosemount Band probably has one of the best community support I’ve seen. They just got new turf fields in 2020 and from what I’ve heard it was the push from the band parents (not football) that actually got it to fruition. I think this support empowers the Band to push the gauntlet and the Directors to continue to facilitate a culture of excellence. Lastly, might be the Dad in me, but I feel these band kids (in general) loves performing for their parents and the community more than winning those competitions. But that’s just me.
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Post by iwasinbandbackthen on Oct 4, 2022 11:55:08 GMT -6
Less than a week out but here are my Youth In Music Finals Predictions: 1. Rosemount H.S., MN (Class AAAA Champion) 2. Lincoln H.S., SD 3. Millard West H.S., NE (Class AAA Champion) 4. Brandon Valley H.S., SD 5. Eastview H.S., MN 6. Irondale H.S., MN 7. Davenport Central H.S., IA 8. Eden Prairie H.S., MN 9. Lakeville South H.S., MN (Class AA Champion) 10. Hastings H.S., MN (Class A Champion) I would agree with others sentiments here that Rosemount and Lincoln should be close. Rosemount has the better GE imo, but since this show is not scored like a BOA show, I think Lincoln has a shot. Millard West, Brandon Valley and Eastview should be competitive with each other for 3rd. I know Millard West outscored Eastview just last weekend, however that competition was scored very differently than YIM will be scored (Golden Regiment Invitational was GE heavy) and the US Bank stadium could make a difference in sound vs. an open air football field. I have no idea where Irondale sits right now - they haven't competed head to head against any MN band. Given their history, I would expect them to be in finals. Based on the results of the BOA Iowa regional, I would also put Davenport Central in finals. I could see Eden Prairie, Grand Rapids, or SF Roosevelt taking the last spot. I am in agreement that Lakeville South should win AA, but I'm not sure exactly where SF Roosevelt is at this point, and I think they could be competitive with Eden Prairie. Hastings does have some competition for the Class A championship but they are the favorites - Blaine could make a run at them, and there are a couple of bands in class A I have never heard of (Osseo, Hutchinson, Maple Grove, Harrisburg). Blaine could have an outside shot at winning Class A, as they were only 2.3 points down from Hastings at the Champlin Park show last weekend. Hutchinson, Maple Grove, Osseo, and the Mankato Lancers (who I know you didn't mention) are all bands that have recently made the switch from Minnesota's competitive summer parade circuit to fall field shows. Maple Grove and Osseo both competeted with Hastings last weekend at Champlin Park and they were 10 and 12 points behind resepectively. Hutchinson has been outscored by several bands Hastings has been ahead of this season, so I don't think they are in contention for Class A. Harrisburg is a rapidly growing suburb of Sioux Falls. They may have a shot of Class A, but the scores they have put up have not been consistent. At Tri-State in Luverne on 9/24, they were a little over three points behind SF Roosevelt. However, at the Brandon Valley show that same night they fell to seven points behind. Harrisburg made finals at Festival of Bands USA in Sioux Falls last weekend, scoring about three points behind Marshall.
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Post by wheredabones on Oct 4, 2022 18:12:51 GMT -6
YIM 2022 Predictions As of 10/4
MN State Competition
A 1. Hastings (M, V, GE, CG) 2. Rochester Lourdes (D) 3. Blaine Next up: Mankato
AA 1. Lakeville South (Sweep) 2. Waseca 3. Champlin Park
AAA 1. Grand Rapids (M, V, GE, D) 2. Farmington (CG) 3. Irondale
AAAA 1. Rosemount (Sweep) 2. Eastview 3. Eden Prairie Next up: Marshall
Finals
For Youth in Music, one finalist is taken from each class, and the remaining six are determined by highest score regardless of class.
1 Rosemount (M, V, GE) (4A) 2 Lincoln (CG) 3 Brandon Valley (D) (3A) 4 Millard West 5 Eastview 6 Davenport Central 7 Eden Prairie 8 Lakeville South (2A) 9 Waukee NW 10 Hastings (A) First Out: Marshall
These are also some pretty out there takes based on what I’ve seen and some fun upsets. The first MN state competition also only included the MN bands attending. Let’s just say that Millard West, Brandon Valley and Lincoln would make a dent in class placements (or probably take them in 3A).
My finalist predictions show that out of state will have a very large presence at this competition this year! I have Brandon Valley above Millard West solely because of the talent in that drum line. Also not putting Irondale or Marshall in the final placements hurts me for sure, but it’s a very competitive year and still cheering them on! Let me know about lower classes (as I’m much less informed than on the big 10 in the upper Midwest).
This is for sure going to be one of the best Youth in Music competitions to date! Can’t wait to head up and see all the groups this year
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Post by bigtrombone on Oct 4, 2022 20:48:00 GMT -6
My finalist predictions show that out of state will have a very large presence at this competition this year! I have Brandon Valley above Millard West solely because of the talent in that drum line. Also not putting Irondale or Marshall in the final placements hurts me for sure, but it’s a very competitive year and still cheering them on! Let me know about lower classes (as I’m much less informed than on the big 10 in the upper Midwest). You're not wrong about Brandon's percussion. They are really good and it was cool to see their indoor percussion do well in Scholastic Open at WGI this past spring. Definitely doesn't hurt that their arranger has worked with both Rosemount's and River City Rhythm's percussion (and yes I'm also aware he was a band director at Rosemount too.)
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Post by bandsquirrel32 on Oct 5, 2022 1:13:27 GMT -6
After looking over scores the past couple weekends, I think I've got a good finals prediction for YIM.
92 - Rosemount, MN (AAAA) 91 - Lincoln, SD 88 - Millard West, NE (AAA) 87.5 - Eastview, MN 87 - Brandon Valley, SD 83 - Davenport Central, IA 79 - Eden Prairie, MN 78.5 - Lakeville South, MN (AA) 76 - Grand Rapids, MN 74 - Harrisburg, SD (A) First out - Waseca, MN
I do think Harrisburg wins class A over Hastings, although it could be close - At Festival of Bands in Sioux Falls, Harrisburg was behind Waseca and Marshall by about 3 points whereas at Rosemount 2 weeks ago Hastings was behind both of those bands by 6 points.
From the scores that Irondale posted in WI, I don't think they have enough to make finals over Grand Rapids, Waseca or Marshal. Champlin Park competed with Irondale in Baldwin WI on 9/17 - Irondale outscored Champlin by 7 points - In competitions where Grand Rapids and Champlin are competing together (Very early), Grand Rapids outscored Champlin by 9-10 points. Not really concrete, but its the best we have given Irondale haven't competed in MN this year.
Eastview and Brandon Valley scored very close together early in the season (Brandon Valley ahead by 1.8 on 9/10). From what I have seen, Eastview has made great improvement to their show compared to their early season showing, whereas Brandon Valley was already fairly clean in early September. I think Eastview outscores them here.
This score distribution is typical for YIM the past few years and I believe these scores are about where each band is trending atm.
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