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Post by LeanderMomma on Oct 14, 2022 8:23:31 GMT -6
Editor's Note from jeremiah: For organizational purposes, we're going to separate out prelims and finals threads for St. Louis since it is such a big event. Please share all your hot takes from prelims here, and an additional thread will be create finals after the finalists are announced. Adjudication Panel (Panel 1 and Panel 2 to be announced later) Music - Martin Griffin, Allan Kristensen, Jager Loyde, Mark McGahey, Joni Perez, Caleb Rothe, Kim Shuttlesworth, W.L. Whaley Visual - Lee Carlson, Jackie Gilley, Tim Landess, Tim Ochran, Jim Sturgeon, John Turner Chief Judge - Nola Jones Best wishes to Joni Perez, former BD of the Woodlands, as she is one of the judges for this Super Regional!
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Post by lostchoirguy on Oct 14, 2022 9:32:55 GMT -6
Adjudication Panel (Panel 1 and Panel 2 to be announced later) Music - Martin Griffin, Allan Kristensen, Jager Loyde, Mark McGahey, Joni Perez, Caleb Rothe, Kim Shuttlesworth, W.L. Whaley Visual - Lee Carlson, Jackie Gilley, Tim Landess, Tim Ochran, Jim Sturgeon, John Turner Chief Judge - Nola Jones Best wishes to Joni Perez, former BD of the Woodlands, as she is one of the judges for this Super Regional! Mark McGahey of Keller is one of the judges too.
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Oct 14, 2022 10:08:27 GMT -6
That was a very good show, but what about it was revolutionary? I may be wrong about this as I have probably seen less shows overall than most people on this forum, but from my experience watching pre-2018 and post-2018 shows, the way that BS 2018 approached visuals in general (more about flowing, quick moving forms with an emphasis on choreography and non-traditional movement) was definitely what propelled them to being placed over BA and Tarpon and all the other great bands that year. Since then, I have seen more bands adopt this style (my alma mater included), with Blue Springs itself obviously making a transition from pre-2018 where they very much just look like an Indiana band (in my interpretation) to doing more complex choreography and movement. Of course, it's hard to replicate BS 2018 just because of how well the forms integrated with the on-field pink tarps, but still I feel that influence is there and I can't really find shows pre-2018 that had visual programs like this. Of course, not every drill/choreo writer instantly adopted this style, but for me it's a kind of proof of concept. As much as I love the music of BS 2018, it wasn't anything crazy. The band was okay (on a Grand Nats scale). But it's my favorite show of all time just because of how beautiful a picture the visual program paints, and because that visual program propelled them to beat superbands. You can't really say that about many shows, so that's why I call it revolutionary. Essentially Blue Springs 2018 was a proof of concept for this visual style. And it's such an effective proof of concept in my opinion because they performed so well at Nats that year. They exceeded literally everyone's expectations, and I would wager that it's not because they had a super amazing musical program that year. So what does this show band directors and show designers? You can be a decent GN-finalist tier band with a pretty good musical program and if you create a show that is ridiculously visually stunning, you can beat superbands. If anything, regardless of the specifics of how Blue Springs 2018 was so visually unique, it ultimately shows that that is true. Or maybe I'm reading too far into high school marching band. Whatever, it's fun. Thanks! I appreciate this explanation very much.
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Post by bigtrombone on Oct 14, 2022 10:50:11 GMT -6
When was the last time Chuck has announced at the St. Louis Super Regional? I know Dan usually announces at St. Louis.
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Post by ilikeguard on Oct 14, 2022 10:57:26 GMT -6
East Peoria is a really fantastic example of writing to the color guard’s skill set. None of the work is particularly demanding or flashy, but it’s musical and in time. No one looked lost and I don’t recall seeing a single drop, which is something you can’t even say about some of the top 20 bands in the country. Know what your students can do and what they can learn, and it will ALWAYS come together and look better than trying to get 8th graders to do BAC rifle work.
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Post by bigblue2019 on Oct 14, 2022 12:22:18 GMT -6
East Peoria is a really fantastic example of writing to the color guard’s skill set. None of the work is particularly demanding or flashy, but it’s musical and in time. No one looked lost and I don’t recall seeing a single drop, which is something you can’t even say about some of the top 20 bands in the country. Know what your students can do and what they can learn, and it will ALWAYS come together and look better than trying to get 8th graders to do BAC rifle work. Absolutely agree!!! On another note! People overlooked Yukon HS, OK, they could very well sneak into finals!!
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Post by yayband914 on Oct 14, 2022 12:23:40 GMT -6
East Peoria is a really fantastic example of writing to the color guard’s skill set. None of the work is particularly demanding or flashy, but it’s musical and in time. No one looked lost and I don’t recall seeing a single drop, which is something you can’t even say about some of the top 20 bands in the country. Know what your students can do and what they can learn, and it will ALWAYS come together and look better than trying to get 8th graders to do BAC rifle work. Absolutely agree!!! On another note! People overlooked Yukon HS, OK, they could very well sneak into finals!! I thought Yukon was a favorite among many to make finals here.
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Post by theangrybavarian on Oct 14, 2022 12:25:06 GMT -6
Yukon were quite good. Lead trumpet in particular was good.
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Post by northbanddad on Oct 14, 2022 12:25:54 GMT -6
Absolutely agree!!! On another note! People overlooked Yukon HS, OK, they could very well sneak into finals!! I thought Yukon was a favorite among many to make finals here. I have them in mine, and feeling good about it right now.
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Post by coleeich on Oct 14, 2022 12:27:33 GMT -6
I definitely enjoyed Yukon's performance. Obviously a couple of rougher spots but all in all a performance they should be proud of! I definitely think they could make finals, especially given the panel that they are in.
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Post by bigtrombone on Oct 14, 2022 12:28:00 GMT -6
I had it between Yukon and Millard West for the final transfer spot in this panel. Yukon was fantastic!
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Post by abtwitch on Oct 14, 2022 13:05:09 GMT -6
Joining us from Scranton, Pennsylvania, please welcome the Dunder Mifflin Outdoor Performance Ensemble under the direction of Michael Scott!
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Post by Pie on Oct 14, 2022 13:05:23 GMT -6
Today, Broken Arrow is rehearsing at Missouri S&T in preparation for BOA STL, where I am going to school, and I was able to sit in on part of their rehearsal. My first impression was that everyone was extremely excited about what they were working on while still being incredibly focused. Their energy was infectious and brought many smiles to my face. Everything is done with passion and intensity. They are sounding and looking INCREDIBLE and I can't wait to see them in STL!
(I also may have overheard their director say they have all but about 20 seconds on the field, so watch out for a little bit more show at Grand Nats)
(P.S. I stalk these forums a lot but don't post often. Felt this was worth sharing though!)
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Post by nomorehoney on Oct 14, 2022 13:08:50 GMT -6
Today, Broken Arrow is rehearsing at Missouri S&T in preparation for BOA STL, where I am going to school, and I was able to sit in on part of their rehearsal. My first impression was that everyone was extremely excited about what they were working on while still being incredibly focused. Their energy was infectious and brought many smiles to my face. Everything is done with passion and intensity. They are sounding and looking INCREDIBLE and I can't wait to see them in STL! (I also may have overheard their director say they have all but about 20 seconds on the field, so watch out for a little bit more show at Grand Nats) (P.S. I stalk these forums a lot but don't post often. Felt this was worth sharing though!) Pie Man 28
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Post by hewhowaits on Oct 14, 2022 13:22:28 GMT -6
Joining us from Scranton, Pennsylvania, please welcome the Dunder Mifflin Outdoor Performance Ensemble under the direction of Michael Scott! The best thing about this post is its timeliness. Sitting in an airport waiting for my flight and at the same time I was reading the post another passenger walked by wearing a Dunder Mifflin shirt.
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Post by ohbandie48 on Oct 14, 2022 13:27:17 GMT -6
my approximate rankings from the first block. It's already getting hard for me to rank so many bands, so judges clearly have a long day ahead of them:
Standouts: —Yukon —Belleville East —Collinsville -------------------- —Fort Zumwalt West —Granite City —David H hickman —Windsor —Cape Girardeau Central —East Peoria Community —Wright City —Danville —Wentzville-Liberty
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Post by theangrybavarian on Oct 14, 2022 13:29:02 GMT -6
My 1st block rankings Yukon Belleville East David H. Hickman Collinsville Granite City Fort Zumwalt West Cape Central Windsor Wright City Danville
N/A: Wentzville Liberty, East Peoria
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Post by Momof20613 on Oct 14, 2022 13:33:08 GMT -6
Yukon were quite good. Lead trumpet in particular was good. I’ll tell his mama you said so 😊
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Post by marimba11 on Oct 14, 2022 13:59:41 GMT -6
So, all the talk on this thread made me go back and rewatch Blue Springs 2018. I remembered liking it at the time--and I like it now!--but I didn't remember thinking it was particularly revolutionary at the time... and it doesn't seem particularly revolutionary now. All of the things we see in its visual design [free flowing 'drill' with greater emphasis on choreography and character expression] were being used by other top competitors at the time to one degree or another. I wonder if what folks are picking up on is that they just did all those things so well. It makes you notice those design elements by how well-coordinated they were together, not necessarily by being completely unique. It's like, you know, just really good. Also, watching the bootleg YouTube video made me remember when FloMarching had the BOA contract and therefore reminded me that I could be watching the Super Regional today if [ long string of deleted expletives] Box 5 didn't have it. Not only was the choreography and transitions so smooth and cutting edge… but the “movement” of the show regarding just the physical demand and achievement of that demand was outstanding. Very very difficult drill, that very few could actually achieve well. And of course it was all purposely done in the exact right way and at the exact right times. BA in 2018 was really incredible too, but really only the opener was super demand heavy. The guard was more the focal point as well as the spell outs and skirts.
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Post by marchingmaniac on Oct 14, 2022 15:11:58 GMT -6
Best wishes to Joni Perez, former BD of the Woodlands, as she is one of the judges for this Super Regional! Mark McGahey of Keller is one of the judges too. Kim Shuttlesworth of Coppell is also one of the judges.
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Post by theangrybavarian on Oct 14, 2022 15:43:03 GMT -6
Lindbergh might give Yukon a run for one of those last few finals spots. A bit park and bark, but they're LOUD.
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Post by ilikeguard on Oct 14, 2022 15:46:04 GMT -6
Lindbergh might give Yukon a run for one of those last few finals spots. A bit park and bark, but they're LOUD. As thin as attendance is this year, the bubble for finals is pretty nice. I expect Timberland and FZN to be up there as well. There are a lot of very evenly matched bands that wouldn’t have had a shot the last few seasons, but will have to fight each other for the last 4.
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Post by philodemus on Oct 14, 2022 15:51:21 GMT -6
So, all the talk on this thread made me go back and rewatch Blue Springs 2018. I remembered liking it at the time--and I like it now!--but I didn't remember thinking it was particularly revolutionary at the time... and it doesn't seem particularly revolutionary now. All of the things we see in its visual design [free flowing 'drill' with greater emphasis on choreography and character expression] were being used by other top competitors at the time to one degree or another. I wonder if what folks are picking up on is that they just did all those things so well. It makes you notice those design elements by how well-coordinated they were together, not necessarily by being completely unique. It's like, you know, just really good. Also, watching the bootleg YouTube video made me remember when FloMarching had the BOA contract and therefore reminded me that I could be watching the Super Regional today if [ long string of deleted expletives] Box 5 didn't have it. Not only was the choreography and transitions so smooth and cutting edge… but the “movement” of the show regarding just the physical demand and achievement of that demand was outstanding. Very very difficult drill, that very few could actually achieve well. And of course it was all purposely done in the exact right way and at the exact right times. BA in 2018 was really incredible too, but really only the opener was super demand heavy. The guard was more the focal point as well as the spell outs and skirts. I think we may be agreeing in everything except terminology? I would call Blue Springs 2018 an extraordinary example of the stylistic trends of the time, but to me the word 'revolutionary' would imply something really unique and not seen before. This could be a definition thing [shrugs].
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Post by hewhowaits on Oct 14, 2022 15:59:23 GMT -6
Not only was the choreography and transitions so smooth and cutting edge… but the “movement” of the show regarding just the physical demand and achievement of that demand was outstanding. Very very difficult drill, that very few could actually achieve well. And of course it was all purposely done in the exact right way and at the exact right times. BA in 2018 was really incredible too, but really only the opener was super demand heavy. The guard was more the focal point as well as the spell outs and skirts. I think we may be agreeing in everything except terminology? I would call Blue Springs 2018 an extraordinary example of the stylistic trends of the time, but to me the word 'revolutionary' would imply something really unique and not seen before. This could be a definition thing [shrugs]. Perhaps more evolutionary than revolutionary?
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Post by das88 on Oct 14, 2022 16:27:25 GMT -6
Today, Broken Arrow is rehearsing at Missouri S&T in preparation for BOA STL, where I am going to school, and I was able to sit in on part of their rehearsal. My first impression was that everyone was extremely excited about what they were working on while still being incredibly focused. Their energy was infectious and brought many smiles to my face. Everything is done with passion and intensity. They are sounding and looking INCREDIBLE and I can't wait to see them in STL! (I also may have overheard their director say they have all but about 20 seconds on the field, so watch out for a little bit more show at Grand Nats) (P.S. I stalk these forums a lot but don't post often. Felt this was worth sharing though!) I am excited to see them every year, but I don't recall them coming back to defend a title? Might me wrong.
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Post by ohbandie48 on Oct 14, 2022 16:58:52 GMT -6
First finals lock of the day is definitely Southmoore! Looking forward to another lock coming up from O'Fallon Township
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Post by thewho on Oct 14, 2022 17:00:30 GMT -6
Props to Southmoore for pulling a Patrick John Hughes and giving a physically disabled student an opportunity to march!
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Post by sousaislife on Oct 14, 2022 17:01:17 GMT -6
I dont know if its just me, but i feel like id take yukon over Southmoore, feel free to tell me why im wrong
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Post by abtwitch on Oct 14, 2022 17:03:39 GMT -6
I dont know if its just me, but i feel like id take yukon over Southmoore, feel free to tell me why im wrong They're close, I could see it going either way
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Post by coleeich on Oct 14, 2022 17:09:38 GMT -6
Enjoyed Southmoore! I think they had a bit of a dirty run compared to some of the performances I’ve seen from them, but I think they definitely still have a very good shot at finals! This panel is stacked so it really just comes down to the next 4. Based on what I’ve seen, I still have them in finals but we will see how the rest of the bands are!
O’Fallon is great as usual! Their show is great. Not my personal favorite of theirs, but not to say that it isn’t a really well executed and good show! Definitely a bubble band for Grand Nats
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