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Post by Allohak on Oct 18, 2022 17:00:45 GMT -6
www.hornrank.com/2022/10/top-32-rankings-oct-18-2022-week-6.html1 Hebron, TX 2 Carmel, IN 3 Vandegrift, TX 4 Broken Arrow, OK 5 Avon, IN 6 Flower Mound, TX 7 Cedar Ridge, TX 8 Ronald Reagan, TX 9 Blue Springs, MO 10 Claudia Taylor Johnson, TX 11 Tarpon Springs, FL 12 Marcus, TX 13 The Woodlands, TX 14 William Mason, OH 15 Cedar Park, TX 16 Vista Ridge, TX 17 Dobyns-Bennet, TN 18 Round Rock, TX 19 Wakeland, TX 20 Coppell, TX 21 Wando, SC 22 Bentonville, AR 23 Brownsburg, IN 24 Westlake, TX 25 Rouse, TX 26 Fishers, IN 27 Lincoln, SD 28 Cy-Fair, TX 29 O'Fallon Township, IL 30 Moe & Gene Johnson, TX 31 Mustang, OK 32 Castle, IN First Out Pearland, TX Next 10 (alphabetical) American Fork, UT Bridgeland, TX Catawba Ridge, SC Chino Hills, CA Hendrickson, TX James F. Byrnes, SC Kiski Area, PA LD Bell, TX Rosemount, MN Waxahachie, TX
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Post by Allohak on Oct 18, 2022 17:01:50 GMT -6
Congratulations to:
Wakeland, TX for their highest ever ranking
Bentonville, AR for their highest ever ranking
Brownsburg, IN for tying their highest ever ranking
Lincoln, SD for their first time in the numbers
Catawba Ridge, SC for their first appearance on this list
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Post by coleeich on Oct 18, 2022 17:18:10 GMT -6
Love a good shake up! A little bummed not to see Mustang any higher, but I am also not too surprised given that finals results are generally what sticks with people. SO happy for Bentonville, showing the haters what's up! Gonna be fun to see how Indy changes this list yet again!
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Post by wheredabones on Oct 18, 2022 17:26:36 GMT -6
This is what Grand Nationals would look like if these were the rankings. I’m sure Indy super will flip everything on it’s head, but this shows just how wide the finals bubble at Nats is WOW!!!
1-2 Carmel, IN 2-4 Broken Arrow, OK 3-5 Avon, IN ——————————— 4-11 Tarpon Springs, FL 5-14 William Mason, OH 6-17 Dobyns-Bennet, TN ——————————— 7-23 Brownsburg, IN 8-26 Fishers, IN 9-29 O'Fallon Township, IL 10-30 Moe & Gene Johnson, TX 11-31 Mustang, OK 12-32 Castle, IN
13-18: Next 10 (alphabetical) American Fork, UT Catawba Ridge, SC Hendrickson, TX James F. Byrnes, SC Kiski Area, PA Rosemount, MN
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Post by abtwitch on Oct 18, 2022 17:34:04 GMT -6
I can't believe Wakeland is ranked when they got a 2 at UIL
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Post by bigtrombone on Oct 18, 2022 17:39:17 GMT -6
A lot of Dobyns-Bennett members in the Instagram comments are asking why they didn't move in the rankings despite posting the 4th highest score of the weekend. I think I know the answer but I'll let someone else answer why they stayed at 17th.
Anyways, great to see Lincoln break into the rankings at 27th.
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Post by MarchingBand4Life on Oct 18, 2022 17:48:16 GMT -6
This is what Grand Nationals would look like if these were the rankings. I’m sure Indy super will flip everything on it’s head, but this shows just how wide the finals bubble at Nats is WOW!!! 1-2 Carmel, IN 2-4 Broken Arrow, OK 3-5 Avon, IN ——————————— 4-11 Tarpon Springs, FL 5-14 William Mason, OH 6-17 Dobyns-Bennet, TN ——————————— 7-23 Brownsburg, IN 8-26 Fishers, IN 9-29 O'Fallon Township, IL 10-30 Moe & Gene Johnson, TX 11-31 Mustang, OK 12-32 Castle, IN 13-18: Next 10 (alphabetical) American Fork, UT Catawba Ridge, SC Hendrickson, TX James F. Byrnes, SC Kiski Area, PA Rosemount, MN Wild ride indeed! I can understand Lincoln's placement, given their placement ahead of O'Fallon, however, Rosemount did beat the by ~1pt a week prior at YIM. Different sheet, yes. It'll be interesting to see how everyone cleans and perfects over the next 3 weeks. I'm anxious to see what happens with 8th-20th place. Big bubble indeed!
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Post by gmoods on Oct 18, 2022 17:51:29 GMT -6
It’s very sad to see Dobyns-Bennett remaining in 17th despite having the 4th highest score of the week
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Post by hewhowaits on Oct 18, 2022 17:55:59 GMT -6
I can't believe Wakeland is ranked when they got a 2 at UIL Perhaps the ratings panel allowed for the likelihood that Wakeland will get their electronics straight moving forward.
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Post by salvation on Oct 18, 2022 17:59:29 GMT -6
A lot of Dobyns-Bennett members in the Instagram comments are asking why they didn't move in the rankings despite posting the 4th highest score of the weekend. I think I know the answer but I'll let someone else answer why they stayed at 17th. Anyways, great to see Lincoln break into the rankings at 27th. Can't really gauge the result super well for DB when the second best band was South Jones. No disrespect to South Jones but its like if a third seeded Georgia beats Vanderbilt 48-0 and doesn't move up at all just because of who they faced off against.
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Post by hewhowaits on Oct 18, 2022 17:59:51 GMT -6
It’s very sad to see Dobyns-Bennett remaining in 17th despite having the 4th highest score of the week Since comparing scores across different competitions means nothing, the rankings panel surely considered what was observed by watching and listening to D-B (and others) themselves. Keep in mind that Broken Arrow won the St. Louis Super Regional with the highest score of the weekend and moved DOWN in the ranking.
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Post by abtwitch on Oct 18, 2022 18:00:09 GMT -6
It’s very sad to see Dobyns-Bennett remaining in 17th despite having the 4th highest score of the week I can't tell if you're being genuine or not but... You can't compare scores from across contests, especially when one has a significantly more stacked lineup than the other. Dobyns-Bennett won a regional with an 88.70 over a South Jones in second place with a 84.50. All we can gather from that information is that those specific judges on that specific night with those specific performances had DB 4.2 points higher than SJ. Anything else the rankers draw from that is entirely subjective. If you could compare scores across regionals, that means South Jones would be on par with Westwood (Westwood scored a 84.525 at Prosper), but if they were at the same regional then that would not be the case (in fact based on what I saw this past weekend, South Jones might've not even made finals at Prosper). Another good example of not being able to compare scores across contests is Grapevine, who got a 75.85 at BOA Las Cruces on September 17th and then a 71.95 at BOA Prosper on October 15th. It would be absurd to say that Grapevine got 4 points worse over the course of a month.
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Post by Shroom on Oct 18, 2022 18:14:21 GMT -6
The Instagram comments lmfao
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Post by ilikeguard on Oct 18, 2022 18:17:07 GMT -6
I’m currently on medication after having an allergic reaction to something in the soap at the Dome at America’s Center that I got during BOA St. Louis and let me tell you I am having the time of my life reading these Instagram comments
I love you Dobyns-Bennett students I promise that you are awesome and I really like the elephants
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Post by thewho on Oct 18, 2022 18:22:22 GMT -6
I'll add to the comments that the 16 bands above them are very, very good. Realistically, it's hard for me to take DB over any of those bands as a sure shot (but there's certainly enough variation for some of the rankers to choose DB over those instead after this weekend).
If anything, I think it's encouraging DB finished where they were expected to finish after this weekend because much like BA, they were an unknown quality coming into this weekend. If they continue cleaning and posting strong scores, they'd definitely see some movement upwards.
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Post by johnsmith on Oct 18, 2022 18:25:52 GMT -6
I’m currently on medication after having an allergic reaction to something in the soap at the Dome at America’s Center that I got during BOA St. Louis and let me tell you I am having the time of my life reading these Instagram comments I love you Dobyns-Bennett students I promise that you are awesome and I really like the elephants Are you the guy from the BOAthings Instagram
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Post by hewhowaits on Oct 18, 2022 18:28:12 GMT -6
I’m currently on medication after having an allergic reaction to something in the soap at the Dome at America’s Center that I got during BOA St. Louis and let me tell you I am having the time of my life reading these Instagram comments I love you Dobyns-Bennett students I promise that you are awesome and I really like the elephants Are you the guy from the BOAthings Instagram If BOAthings is a guy, ilikeguard definitely isn't BOAthings.
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Post by ilikeguard on Oct 18, 2022 18:31:20 GMT -6
I’m currently on medication after having an allergic reaction to something in the soap at the Dome at America’s Center that I got during BOA St. Louis and let me tell you I am having the time of my life reading these Instagram comments I love you Dobyns-Bennett students I promise that you are awesome and I really like the elephants Are you the guy from the BOAthings Instagram I’m ilikeguard from instagram and I don’t think I’m a guy but life is full of discoveries
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Post by mk72 on Oct 18, 2022 18:32:42 GMT -6
If there are any DB kids reading this (or just any band kid in general), please do not take these rankings to heart. They are not a *direct* reflection of your hard work and abilities, just a fun, speculative list put together by some nice individuals. No one on the ranking committee has any malice in their heart when making these rankings. A couple years back, I would also get very heated if my band moved down in these rankings, but as someone who is now long gone from the activity, it's really not that deep. You are all fantastic performers and human beings, and no ranking will ever reflect that. This should all go without saying, of course, but I understand that it can be really fun keeping up with the weekly lists; however, try not to let them consume you. Do the absolute best that *you* can, and you will succeed far beyond the quantitative boundaries of any rankings.
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Post by johnsmith on Oct 18, 2022 18:42:19 GMT -6
Are you the guy from the BOAthings Instagram I’m ilikeguard from instagram and I don’t think I’m a guy but life is full of discoveries That's my bad, someone on the Instagram said they were having an allergic reaction to the soap there and I completely forgot that more than one person could have an allergic reaction.
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Post by gmoods on Oct 18, 2022 18:44:01 GMT -6
It’s very sad to see Dobyns-Bennett remaining in 17th despite having the 4th highest score of the week I want to clarify, I am not enraged by the rankings. I know they’re predictions based on years of scores and results, and that at the end of the day they are just individuals trying to give some more fun to the band world. Thanks for all the comments.
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Post by ilikeguard on Oct 18, 2022 18:51:38 GMT -6
I’m ilikeguard from instagram and I don’t think I’m a guy but life is full of discoveries That's my bad, someone on the Instagram said they were having an allergic reaction to the soap there and I completely forgot that more than one person could have an allergic reaction. Oh HAHA yes I sent in a message on one of those question bubbles. My brain is functioning at like 30% today. That is in fact me
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Post by LeanderMomma on Oct 18, 2022 19:53:32 GMT -6
I can't believe Wakeland is ranked when they got a 2 at UIL Aaron. 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by lostchoirguy on Oct 18, 2022 19:53:34 GMT -6
Wow, it's crazy to see Keller not even in the next 10. This has to be the first time since maybe 2015? It makes sense given their subpar result at DFW but I have confidence in them to make it back up there.
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Post by Allohak on Oct 18, 2022 19:54:38 GMT -6
I think something that seems to be getting forgotten is that this isn't _just_ "these are the top 32 bands in the country as of this minute". Giving recognition to recent significant results is another point of emphasis, hence we have seen groups such as Lakota West, Jenison, Kiski, Clovis, etc make 1-or-2 week appearances in the Next 10 range before getting replaced by a Catawba Ridge, JF Byrnes, etc
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Post by LeanderMomma on Oct 18, 2022 19:57:30 GMT -6
Are you the guy from the BOAthings Instagram I’m ilikeguard from instagram and I don’t think I’m a guy but life is full of discoveries 🤣😂😂😆
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Post by hostrauser on Oct 18, 2022 21:31:13 GMT -6
Original content of quote removed at request of poster. You give me a name(s), and I'll give you my personal reason why that band was or wasn't included. You still might disagree! But there is logic and rationale that goes into the numbers I feed into the algorithm.
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Post by verysaxy on Oct 18, 2022 21:35:05 GMT -6
I know I’m a little late to the conversation but I do find it odd that the DB kids are very upset about their ranking yet one look at the forums and most people have the not only top half but some of us (myself included) have them in the medal conversation. They’re really good this year, and they shouldn’t let the rankings deter them from getting any better. I’m not trying to point the finger, but this is a LEADERSHIP issue at DB. In my band, the word “forum” was not to be spoken around anyone who hadn’t marched for at least two years (albeit, some of us found them anyways lol) and this was made very clear to student leaders day one. I literally didn’t know Hornrank existed until my junior year of high school. This behavior is insane, especially considering a lot of these comments most likely came from younger kids (and it will inevitably affect their attitude regarding rehearsal/improvement over the next month). The adults in the program should definitely address this to the students to ensure they not only keep their reputation intact, but they finish the season strong as well.
Moral of the story: today was not a good look for a band that many of us have held so high for so long.
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Post by tyy1117 on Oct 18, 2022 21:40:42 GMT -6
Lincoln will no longer be attending YIM because there is strong evidence that it os bias. Even then BOA competitions will bring up rankings more than others. Lincoln would have beaten Rosemount in St. Louis. Even though Lincoln deserves to attend grand nationals they probably will never have the chance to due to crappy school district policies that don’t allow for them to stay over night there which is why they had to drive back after regionals so late, even on non school nights. Also they will never attend due to lack of funding and there is not an indoor practice area on the campus of even in the city for when it gets cold in the next few weeks. You have no idea if Lincoln would’ve beat Rosemount at St. Louis. Also show me this “strong evidence” of bias at YIM. If there was such evidence for bias against out of state bands, then why were 2nd, 3rd and 4th place at YIM all out of state bands? Why didn’t Eastview beat Millard West there then? Also as far as the cold concern goes, Rosemount doesn’t have access to a good indoor facility either, they just practice in the cold. They do have a dome, but that’s claimed heavily by soccer and baseball teams, band uses it maybe once. So if the cold isn’t stopping Rosemount from doing grand nats, it wouldn’t stop Lincoln either. Also St. Louis results in years past when both bands have attended have lead to very similar results to YIM, so I’m just not buying it.
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Post by bigtrombone on Oct 18, 2022 21:48:52 GMT -6
Lincoln will no longer be attending YIM because there is strong evidence that it os bias. Even then BOA competitions will bring up rankings more than others. Lincoln would have beaten Rosemount in St. Louis. Even though Lincoln deserves to attend grand nationals they probably will never have the chance to due to crappy school district policies that don’t allow for them to stay over night there which is why they had to drive back after regionals so late, even on non school nights. Also they will never attend due to lack of funding and there is not an indoor practice area on the campus of even in the city for when it gets cold in the next few weeks. With all due respect as a former alum of Lincoln, I feel like I need to address a few points here: 1. There is absolutely no evidence that YIM is biased. In fact, this past weekend, Allen Kristensen, who was one of the music judges for finals in St. Louis, also judged at Youth in Music. Even so, Lincoln's attendance at YIM next year will depend on if Festival of Bands falls on the same weekend. 2. There's no telling what would've happened if Rosemount (or as coleeich mentioned, Bixby & Jenks) had attended St. Louis. Same goes for the other finalist-caliber groups that had to unfortunately drop from the competion (Oak Ridge, Morton, & Marian Catholic). 3. Lincoln could definitely attend Grand Nationals in the future. They would probably have to skip St. Louis to attend Nationals and have the students fundraise a bit more but they definitely could pull it off. Yes, South Dakota can get cold in late October/early November but Indianapolis isn't much better at that time either. We South Dakotans are accustomed to the cold though. When Lincoln was rehearsing for the Rose Parade back in 2012, at one rehearsal the band SHOVELED snow off their practice field and then proceeded to practice. Even so, there IS a viable location in Sioux Falls for indoor rehearsals that Lincoln has used in the past (booking it however can be difficult).
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