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Post by marimba11 on Nov 5, 2022 23:39:29 GMT -6
Bowie being first out is tough, but I can see why pearland was in and they weren’t. Almost a 2 pt gap. Leander honestly cleaned really well. I think if they had a more dynamic show they would have been even closer. Although there had a to be a Cartwright show in finals… haha
24th does not bode well for Hendrickson, but the GN bubble is still large.
Seriously the best show I have ever attended live top to bottom. If you ever think about going to SASR go!! You wont regret it!!
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Post by thewho on Nov 5, 2022 23:42:36 GMT -6
I'll put in a hasty reactionary statement and say this is on par with 2017 and 2019 for best SASR ever. All the way through the top 7 was some of the best in the land.
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Post by vidal28rdg on Nov 5, 2022 23:48:12 GMT -6
These recaps are dizzying…at least hornrank makes it easier to digest haha
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Post by redteam1114 on Nov 5, 2022 23:49:36 GMT -6
Panel 1 Top 5:1. Ronald Reagan H.S., TX 2. Flower Mound H.S., TX 3. Claudia Taylor Johnson H.S., TX 4. Keller H.S., TX 5. Marcus H.S., TX Panel 2 Top 5:1. Hebron H.S., TX 2. The Woodlands H.S., TX 3. Vandegrift H.S., TX 4. Vista Ridge H.S., TX 5. Cedar Park H.S., TX Finals Cutoff:11. Cedar Ridge H.S., TX 91.15 12. Marcus H.S., TX 91.10 13. Round Rock H.S., TX 91.05 14. Pearland H.S., TX 90.20 ---------------------------------- 15. James Bowie H.S., TX 88.25 16. Leander H.S., TX 88.15 17. Timber Creek H.S., TX 87.90 18. Keller Central H.S., TX 87.55 19. Westlake H.S., TX 87.15 20. Waxahachie H.S., TX 87.00 As cool as it would be to see Marcus place twice, Coppell took that 11th spot (9th overall in prelims) with a 92.0 my friend Nope it's correct! Even though Coppell was 9th, they were still among the Next 4 In with the system that's in place. So Marcus got 5th in their panel, but 12th overall while Coppell was 6th in their respective panel, but placed 9th overall. So in order, the Next 4 In consisted of Coppell, Cedar Ridge, Round Rock, and Pearland. Hope that cleared things up a little!
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Post by banddad101 on Nov 5, 2022 23:54:19 GMT -6
I knew TWHS had the performance they needed. But going beyond? Had a small inkling, but blew it off. Wow! Congrats to Hebron! Hard to believe this is only Hebron's 2nd SASR ever and not too long ago we all wondered when it would happen after all the close calls. Another feather in the cap! The cynical part of me wanted to see The Woodlands beat Hebron by .05. Our oldest was a freshman at Hebron (trombone) when TWHS beat Hebron by 0.05. Now, our youngest (drums) is a freshman on the snare line at Texas A&M Commerce with a kid from TWHS who he stands right next to (TWHS kid is center snare as a sophomore) - in the year his alma mater beats TWHS by 0.25. In the end HS band at this level is one big happy family! You never know who you’ll be going to college with! 🙂
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Post by cinnamonpromenade on Nov 6, 2022 0:19:04 GMT -6
Amazingly, almost every finalist band was a top 14 band to each prelims judge, with the following few exceptions:
Music Ind: 14th Leander (15th Pearland)
Music Ens: 7th Cy-Fair 12th Timber Creek 13th Keller Central (T14th Cedar Park and Keller) (T16th Coppell and Round Rock)
Visual Ens: 14th Wylie East (16th Vista Ridge)
GE Mus 2: 9th Timber Creek (15th Marcus)
Another way to think of it: of the 98 ordinals assigned to the top 14 bands (7 judges x 14 finalists), 93 were 14th or higher. The Visual Ind, GE Mus 1, and GE Vis judges all saw the top 14 bands as the top 14 bands. This is one way of explaining the sizable gap between 14th and 15th place.
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Post by cinnamonpromenade on Nov 6, 2022 0:33:45 GMT -6
Amazingly, almost every finalist band was a top 14 band to each prelims judge, with the following few exceptions: Music Ind: 14th Leander (15th Pearland) Music Ens: 7th Cy-Fair 12th Timber Creek 13th Keller Central (T14th Cedar Park and Keller) (T16th Coppell and Round Rock) Visual Ens: 14th Wylie East (16th Vista Ridge) GE Mus 2: 9th Timber Creek (15th Marcus) Another way to think of it: of the 98 ordinals assigned to the top 14 bands (7 judges x 14 finalists), 93 were 14th or higher. The Visual Ind, GE Mus 1, and GE Vis judges all saw the top 14 bands as the top 14 bands. This is one way of explaining the sizable gap between 14th and 15th place. Nerding out a bit more: compare this to the St. Louis Super Regional this year, where there were 22 instances of the top 14 bands from prelims placing below 14th. At Indy, there were 20 instances of this. At San Antonio, the gap between 14th and 15th was 1.95. At St. Louis, within 1.95 points of 14th-place Lindbergh was 20th-place Nixa. At Indy, within 1.95 points of 14th-place Centerville was 24th(!!)-place Beavercreek. Different numbers, different shows, yes, but it’s interesting how these speak to just how large the bubbles were in St. Louis and Indianapolis… yet, apparently not so much in San Antonio. (Which is also wild given how, you know, probably the top 25-40 bands at San Antonio would’ve had a shot at making finals at those other two Super Regionals!!)
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Post by cinnamonpromenade on Nov 6, 2022 1:08:21 GMT -6
Vis GE judge tanked Hebron. Had them in 4th, but .7 behind The Woodlands. What was he watching? They say in judges' trainings to "judge your caption." Well, what comprises the GE Vis caption? The GE Vis sheet lists two “boxes” or categories that are considered: 1. Effectiveness of the Visual Repertoire- Interpretation and Enhancement of the Music - Coordination and Staging of Elements - Pacing of Effects - Creativity/Imagination/Originality - Use of Audio-Visual Balance/Blend/Focus - Continuity and flow of visual Ideas - Effective Use of Movement/Form/Color 2. Effectiveness of the Visual Performance- Communication of Roles - Emotion - Professionalism - Artistry - Involvement I would go bullet by bullet explaining my interpretation of Hebron vs The Woodlands, but here’s what it boils down to (for me): Hebron saturated the field in terms of "form" and "color". Their energy, or "emotion" and "artistry," were outrageous. The show was "paced" well, there were memorable sets at the biggest musical moments (strong "coordination of elements"), and its theme was "imaginative/original" (i.e., embarking on an odyssey, a wild trip on water). But The Woodlands (in my opinion) explored a much wider range of musical styles/aesthetics, which allowed for a much wider range of visual elements to coordinate with. Their "stage" looked more different more of the time than Hebron's did. Moreover, The Woodlands’ guard contributed so much more than any other guard (save for Reagan, maybe). Overall, the visual focus of any moment in The Woodlands’ show was clearer, more varied, and more purposeful than Hebron’s. Hebron’s music book could not be illustrated with as much clarity as The Woodlands’ music book could be. That being said, despite the variety that The Woodlands offered musically, there was no denying that Hebron’s Music GE was the winner tonight, given their insane imagination, range of expressions, flow of musical ideas, professionalism, artistry, and involvement. You can see that each GE Music judge judged their caption accordingly, each of them ranking Hebron in 1st. (The BOA judges’ sheets can be found in this PDF. GE Music is on pp. 44-45 and GE Vis is pp. 50-51.)
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Post by cp823 on Nov 6, 2022 1:12:45 GMT -6
This may have been the most entertaining marching competition I’ve ever seen, including dci. Every single band in finals was incredible, no hyperbole. It’s crazy how far this activity and contest have come.
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Post by principalagent on Nov 6, 2022 1:22:45 GMT -6
The prelims judges knew exactly which 14 they wanted and they were probably the most consistent panel this competition has ever seen. A two point gap is nuts. Watching most of prelims and all of finals, they were correct. Nobody else really touched Keller/Pearland/Marcus that wasn’t scored above them.
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Post by lostchoirguy on Nov 6, 2022 1:27:56 GMT -6
The prelims judges knew exactly which 14 they wanted and they were probably the most consistent panel this competition has ever seen. A two point gap is nuts. Watching most of prelims and all of finals, they were correct. Nobody else really touched Keller/Pearland/Marcus that wasn’t scored above them. I agree! Im glad that there isn't any unfortunate drama surrounding the finalists and that all 14 made it in decisively.
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Post by principalagent on Nov 6, 2022 1:50:23 GMT -6
Top 10 Regional Scores:
97.3 (Reagan 2019) 96.75 (Hebron 2022) 96.625 (CTJ 2017) 96.6 (FloMo 2018) 96.5 (TWHS 2022) 96.4 (Reagan 2018 and Vandegrift 2019) 96.2 (Marcus 2017) 96.1 (Marcus 2012) 96.05 (Hebron 2018)
11th is also a tie between Reagan 2022 and Churchill 1997(!) at an even 96.
All of these records were set at San Antonio, except for Churchill, which was set at Waco when it was the Texas late season regional. That also meant that all the scores at or above 96 were held in two school districts until Vandegrift broke it. TWHS this weekend added a fourth school district.
Reagan now holds the most regional scores at or above 96, along with the highest regional score. Reagan, Hebron, and Marcus are all tied at two each in the top ten. NEISD and LISD-North both have three bands in the top ten, but LISD-North holds half of the scores.
Marcus holds the only sweep in the top 10 scores. Hebron’s high score of 95.95 from last year is next at 13th all-time. FloMo’s sweep occurred at a time when SA super regional scores were weirdly depressed between 2013 and 2016. I’m sure if that score were brought in line, it might add another 97 to the list. I think the other three shows in this time period were more in the 94-95 range, so maybe only a point or two low.
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Post by hewhowaits on Nov 6, 2022 5:45:03 GMT -6
Texas,on the whole, absolutely funds more than Indiana (and everywhere else). There are select programs elsewhere that are well-funded but Texas' educational systems all place high value on music. That's why music education across the board in Texas is unparalleled.
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Post by boahistorybuff on Nov 6, 2022 6:06:40 GMT -6
Congratulations to Hebron on their 6th regional title.
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Post by boahistorybuff on Nov 6, 2022 6:34:47 GMT -6
Texas,on the whole, absolutely funds more than Indiana (and everywhere else). There are select programs elsewhere that are well-funded but Texas' educational systems all place high value on music. That's why music education across the board in Texas is unparalleled. This has been true for a very long time. The Texas education system and parents understand the importance of music education even down to the elementary level and certainly make sure ample resources are in place. I thought I was paying Texas a compliment. I know Texas is a big state. Even taking that into consideration, the depth of strong marching band programs in Texas is just crazy. The bands in finals showcased that. In my state I have seen many schools cut elementary music education and institute pay to play programs for middle and high school concert band programs as well as the marching band. It hurt a lot of programs. Anyway, the main point of this thread is to gush over how good those finalist bands were. So proceed y'all.
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Post by Allohak on Nov 6, 2022 7:12:00 GMT -6
Amazingly, almost every finalist band was a top 14 band to each prelims judge, with the following few exceptions: Music Ind: 14th Leander (15th Pearland) Music Ens: 7th Cy-Fair 12th Timber Creek 13th Keller Central (T14th Cedar Park and Keller) (T16th Coppell and Round Rock) Visual Ens: 14th Wylie East (16th Vista Ridge) GE Mus 2: 9th Timber Creek (15th Marcus) Another way to think of it: of the 98 ordinals assigned to the top 14 bands (7 judges x 14 finalists), 93 were 14th or higher. The Visual Ind, GE Mus 1, and GE Vis judges all saw the top 14 bands as the top 14 bands. This is one way of explaining the sizable gap between 14th and 15th place. Nerding out a bit more: compare this to the St. Louis Super Regional this year, where there were 22 instances of the top 14 bands from prelims placing below 14th. At Indy, there were 20 instances of this. At San Antonio, the gap between 14th and 15th was 1.95. At St. Louis, within 1.95 points of 14th-place Lindbergh was 20th-place Nixa. At Indy, within 1.95 points of 14th-place Centerville was 24th(!!)-place Beavercreek. Different numbers, different shows, yes, but it’s interesting how these speak to just how large the bubbles were in St. Louis and Indianapolis… yet, apparently not so much in San Antonio. (Which is also wild given how, you know, probably the top 25-40 bands at San Antonio would’ve had a shot at making finals at those other two Super Regionals!!) Wait... So you're saying San Antonio WASN'T the most competitive SR top-to-bottom? And in fact it was the LEAST interesting in regards to which groups should make up the advancing finalists? /s
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Post by trumpet300 on Nov 6, 2022 7:47:02 GMT -6
All I can say is wow. 11 of the finalists breaking 90 is a testament to how good this show is....
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Post by marchingmaniac on Nov 6, 2022 8:22:01 GMT -6
In prelims, Hebron was 1st in every category except Music Ensemble where they placed 4th (which is a bit of a head scratcher to me). In finals, even though their 1.72 point lead shrunk to 0.25, Hebron was 1st in every category except for individual visual, where they were 2nd, and visual GE, where they were 4th (another head scratcher, 18.8 seems really low compared to everyone else above them). So they were pretty clearly considered the best band of the night. I fully expect them to repeat at UIL state in the next two days as well.
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Post by marimba11 on Nov 6, 2022 8:47:29 GMT -6
I know people may come for me but I truly think Hebron is at least top 3 this year if not the best.
Reagan’s show reminded me of Broken Arrow 2014. So creepy so effective and amazing. They spread out so far and the double sided uniforms for guard and band were so great.
Ya’ll I’ll say it, Vista Ridge sounded like Avon 2009, that’s how good they were.
TWHS has the best guard in the nation this fall, and I’m willing to go to bat for it. The effectiveness of the music and the how clean they got that show was incredible.
The rest were amazing in their own right of course but these stick out atm 😊
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Post by LeanderMomma on Nov 6, 2022 9:21:26 GMT -6
Texas,on the whole, absolutely funds more than Indiana (and everywhere else). There are select programs elsewhere that are well-funded but Texas' educational systems all place high value on music. That's why music education across the board in Texas is unparalleled. This has been true for a very long time. The Texas education system and parents understand the importance of music education even down to the elementary level and certainly make sure ample resources are in place. I thought I was paying Texas a compliment. I know Texas is a big state. Even taking that into consideration, the depth of strong marching band programs in Texas is just crazy. The bands in finals showcased that. In my state I have seen many schools cut elementary music education and institute pay to play programs for middle and high school concert band programs as well as the marching band. It hurt a lot of programs. Anyway, the main point of this thread is to gush over how good those finalist bands were. So proceed y'all. I absolutely knew you meant it as complimentary, Buff, as I’m sure most everyone else did.
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Post by LeanderMomma on Nov 6, 2022 9:30:58 GMT -6
Nerding out a bit more: compare this to the St. Louis Super Regional this year, where there were 22 instances of the top 14 bands from prelims placing below 14th. At Indy, there were 20 instances of this. At San Antonio, the gap between 14th and 15th was 1.95. At St. Louis, within 1.95 points of 14th-place Lindbergh was 20th-place Nixa. At Indy, within 1.95 points of 14th-place Centerville was 24th(!!)-place Beavercreek. Different numbers, different shows, yes, but it’s interesting how these speak to just how large the bubbles were in St. Louis and Indianapolis… yet, apparently not so much in San Antonio. (Which is also wild given how, you know, probably the top 25-40 bands at San Antonio would’ve had a shot at making finals at those other two Super Regionals!!) Wait... So you're saying San Antonio WASN'T the most competitive SR top-to-bottom? And in fact it was the LEAST interesting in regards to which groups should make up the advancing finalists? /s I was there. Felt like the most competitive race for finals I’ve ever witnessed. Not sure what “statistics” say, but it was a phenomenal SR. The best yet for me personally.
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Post by hewhowaits on Nov 6, 2022 9:36:28 GMT -6
Wait... So you're saying San Antonio WASN'T the most competitive SR top-to-bottom? And in fact it was the LEAST interesting in regards to which groups should make up the advancing finalists? /s I was there. Felt like the most competitive race for finals I’ve ever witnessed. Not sure what “statistics” say, but it was a phenomenal SR. The best yet for me personally. 15-20+ at SASR were surely stronger than low finalists/not-quite finalists at the other SRs but to the judges, SASR was less "competitive" to qualify for finals. The other SRs had bands that were in the 10-18 range that were similar (in the opinion of the judges) while SASR had a clear demarcation between 14 and 15 (in the opinion of the judges).
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Post by randombandguy23 on Nov 6, 2022 10:40:53 GMT -6
As cool as it would be to see Marcus place twice, Coppell took that 11th spot (9th overall in prelims) with a 92.0 my friend Nope it's correct! Even though Coppell was 9th, they were still among the Next 4 In with the system that's in place. So Marcus got 5th in their panel, but 12th overall while Coppell was 6th in their respective panel, but placed 9th overall. So in order, the Next 4 In consisted of Coppell, Cedar Ridge, Round Rock, and Pearland. Hope that cleared things up a little! Ah I see, I thought your 11-14 rankings were meant to represent the next 4, not the actual prelims rankings. Thanks for the clarification!
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Post by yayband914 on Nov 6, 2022 11:00:19 GMT -6
You know this contest is deep when a regional champion is sitting at 58th place. Jeez.
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Post by LeanderMomma on Nov 6, 2022 11:13:09 GMT -6
I was there. Felt like the most competitive race for finals I’ve ever witnessed. Not sure what “statistics” say, but it was a phenomenal SR. The best yet for me personally. 15-20+ at SASR were surely stronger than low finalists/not-quite finalists at the other SRs but to the judges, SASR was less "competitive" to qualify for finals. The other SRs had bands that were in the 10-18 range that were similar (in the opinion of the judges) while SASR had a clear demarcation between 14 and 15 (in the opinion of the judges). gotcha. I’m less of a “stats” person and more of an “experience” person and this regional was absolutely phenomenal from top to bottom. Even the A and AA exhibition bands were superb. What a weekend! #postedfrombucceesparkinglot #becausetexas 🤪🤠🥰
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Post by hewhowaits on Nov 6, 2022 11:33:22 GMT -6
You know this contest is deep when a regional champion is sitting at 58th place. Jeez. Or that the regional in question was particularly weak? Not ALL Texas regionals are that great (just many of them).
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Post by hewhowaits on Nov 6, 2022 11:34:22 GMT -6
#postedfrombucceesparkinglot Best restroom stop anywhere!
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Post by yayband914 on Nov 6, 2022 11:39:24 GMT -6
You know this contest is deep when a regional champion is sitting at 58th place. Jeez. Or that the regional in question was particularly weak? Not ALL Texas regionals are that great (just many of them). I understand that. It is impressive nonetheless.
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Post by elsie on Nov 6, 2022 11:57:00 GMT -6
Will Hendrickson miss national finals?
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Post by yayband914 on Nov 6, 2022 12:00:30 GMT -6
Will Hendrickson miss national finals? No one can predict the future, but it is looking likely that it will be close either way. Just in or just out.
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