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Post by vidal28rdg on Nov 13, 2022 0:09:30 GMT -6
For all the hoopla of talking about putting a GN event in San Antonio, it would be interesting to see how that would effect the make-up of enrollment, housing and rehearsal sites for these schools would be like, we all know that the SA-Austin area is FULL of various schools and sites that could be used for visiting bands, despite the influx of Texas bands now entering the competition due to it being in their own backyard for a change, plus you’re more than likely still able to rehearse comfortably outside haha. I wonder what the percentage of Texas bands to everyone else would be honestly👀 Of course, the national heavy hitters we usually see would still enter, I wonder how many more bands would then make the trip from the Midwest, west, east, and gulf coasts. It would be pretty interesting
MOD EDIT: It took a very long time (my apologies), but I've finay got around to sorting through the posts in the GN Finals thread and picking out those relevant to the discussion. While this did turn sour at some points, I do believe there is enough valid discussion about why the events are located at there are. Please be reasonable while continuing to discuss.
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Post by srv1084 on Nov 13, 2022 0:09:30 GMT -6
LOL, sorry, I don't agree with you. There are many other very capable venues across the country. I know because I participate in many other more complex events. BTW, the prep area around Lucas Oil for the bands is poor compared to many other areas. I think that we should host grand nationals in Anchorage, Alaska. Sullivan Arena??? Gillette Stadium in Foxboro, MA would be an excellent choice. It would probably only cost about 5x as much as Lucas Oil (and it's not a dome...), so no big deal. |
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Post by novicebanddad on Nov 13, 2022 0:10:19 GMT -6
LOL, sorry, I don't agree with you. There are many other very capable venues across the country. I know because I participate in many other more complex events. BTW, the prep area around Lucas Oil for the bands is poor compared to many other areas. Then list them. List the facilities that combine what LOS and the convention center have with affordable hotels, easy walking, good transportation (airport and highway) and a local government plus not for profit support systems. Will do so through the proper channels. It's only fair, and you're obviously skewed towards IN as you live there, LOL. |
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Post by doublegeez on Nov 13, 2022 0:10:30 GMT -6
I have many emotions, thoughts, some to which should stay in the safe space that is my mind. I will take all this energy to hibernate until next season I love and appreciate everyone who has supported the Rosemount hype train. Here’s to hoping to a better next year and maybe a professional brass tech? I’ll hope for it. They popped off regardless. Also many other takes of mine besides that may I add I will not say much more Love to all see you again in the future As an upper midwest band fan, having a representative from MN attend grand nationals is incredible. Its super impressive that they were able to continue rehearsing as temperatures plummeted in MN and their peers in the state ended their season a month ago. Hoping that the MN band scene as a whole can become stronger and push Rosemount to a stronger finish whenever they get the chance to come back. Yes!! I love this!! |
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Post by weller22 on Nov 13, 2022 0:11:18 GMT -6
I think it would be cool if they held it in St. Louis. Right in the middle! I'm surprised they hold the regional at St. Louis given the pretty serious safety hazards the area around the stadium offers, I can't imagine them hosting even more people there Yeah, and they don't have the infrastructure to handle an event like this. Just the housing aspect would be too much. I've thought about this topic a lot. There's simply not another location that provides what Indy provides for this event(part of this is Lucas Oil just being a good stadium acoustically). And it's still somewhat centrally located. |
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Post by paddy on Nov 13, 2022 0:12:38 GMT -6
Then list them. List the facilities that combine what LOS and the convention center have with affordable hotels, easy walking, good transportation (airport and highway) and a local government plus not for profit support systems. Will do so through the proper channels. It's only fair, and you're obviously skewed towards IN as you live there, LOL. I have visited and performed in any number of the potential facilities available. I’m not skewed, I’m reasonably informed. And “proper channels” just smacks of “I popped off and can’t back it up”… |
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Post by trumpet300 on Nov 13, 2022 0:13:23 GMT -6
Your name states that you are a novice band dad...as someone who's been around the activity a very long time...moving nationals every year would be tremendously stupid. I understand Carmel is close and so are other groups but at the end of the day, Lucas Oil is the perfect set up logistically and serves its purpose well. I may be a 3-year novice to band, but not big events. You aren't any more qualified than me, if not less so, when it comes to planning and logistics. There is absolutely no reason to continue the same venue for eternity. It needs to change, and soon. Other parts of the country need to have exposure and avdvantage. I will work to change it. Uh hunh...you do that |
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Post by novicebanddad on Nov 13, 2022 0:14:04 GMT -6
For all the hoopla of talking about putting a GN event in San Antonio, it would be interesting to see how that would effect the make-up of enrollment, housing and rehearsal sites for these schools would be like, we all know that the SA-Austin area is FULL of various schools and sites that could be used for visiting bands, despite the influx of Texas bands now entering the competition due to it being in their own backyard for a change, plus you’re more than likely still able to rehearse comfortably outside haha. I wonder what the percentage of Texas bands to everyone else would be honestly👀 Of course, the national heavy hitters we usually see would still enter, I wonder how many more bands would then make the trip from the Midwest, west, east, and gulf coasts. It would be pretty interesting Exactly! Plus, no snow (most of the time, right, haha!) Other parts of the country should host GN - they should put their bids in and make a case. Indy is not the center of marching band. Marching Band is for the entirety of the masses - and we all enjoy it! |
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Post by trumpet300 on Nov 13, 2022 0:14:21 GMT -6
LOL, sorry, I don't agree with you. There are many other very capable venues across the country. I know because I participate in many other more complex events. BTW, the prep area around Lucas Oil for the bands is poor compared to many other areas. Then list them. List the facilities that combine what LOS and the convention center have with affordable hotels, easy walking, good transportation (airport and highway) and a local government plus not for profit support systems. Dudes just trolling...he very clearly doesn't know anything. Anyone that knows logistics especially in band knows that LOS is the place to be. |
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Post by It's Just Band on Nov 13, 2022 0:15:36 GMT -6
Then list them. List the facilities that combine what LOS and the convention center have with affordable hotels, easy walking, good transportation (airport and highway) and a local government plus not for profit support systems. Will do so through the proper channels. It's only fair, and you're obviously skewed towards IN as you live there, LOL. what are the “proper channels”? |
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Post by paddy on Nov 13, 2022 0:15:39 GMT -6
Then list them. List the facilities that combine what LOS and the convention center have with affordable hotels, easy walking, good transportation (airport and highway) and a local government plus not for profit support systems. Dudes just trolling...he very clearly doesn't know anything. Anyone that knows logistics especially in band knows that LOS is the place to be. I love trolling the trolls… |
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Post by novicebanddad on Nov 13, 2022 0:16:04 GMT -6
I'm surprised they hold the regional at St. Louis given the pretty serious safety hazards the area around the stadium offers, I can't imagine them hosting even more people there Yeah, and they don't have the infrastructure to handle an event like this. Just the housing aspect would be too much. I've thought about this topic a lot. There's simply not another location that provides what Indy provides for this event(part of this is Lucas Oil just being a good stadium acoustically). And it's still somewhat centrally located. Sorry, but again, don't agree. There are many other possible and very hospitable venues. |
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Post by novicebanddad on Nov 13, 2022 0:18:05 GMT -6
Then list them. List the facilities that combine what LOS and the convention center have with affordable hotels, easy walking, good transportation (airport and highway) and a local government plus not for profit support systems. Dudes just trolling...he very clearly doesn't know anything. Anyone that knows logistics especially in band knows that LOS is the place to be. Not trolling, trumpet300. Don't appreciate your assumption about this. I will follow proper channels to push different venues. Interesting that so many people are fixed on LOS. I wonder why? |
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Post by trumpet300 on Nov 13, 2022 0:21:00 GMT -6
Dudes just trolling...he very clearly doesn't know anything. Anyone that knows logistics especially in band knows that LOS is the place to be. Not trolling, trumpet300. Don't appreciate your assumption about this. I will follow proper channels to push different venues. Interesting that so many people are fixed on LOS. I wonder why? Im just waiting for you to list all these amazing venues |
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Post by trumpet300 on Nov 13, 2022 0:21:34 GMT -6
Dudes just trolling...he very clearly doesn't know anything. Anyone that knows logistics especially in band knows that LOS is the place to be. I love trolling the trolls… Get em!!! |
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Post by dbalash on Nov 13, 2022 0:26:07 GMT -6
LOL, sorry, I don't agree with you. There are many other very capable venues across the country. I know because I participate in many other more complex events. I think it would be cool if they held it in St. Louis. Right in the middle! Given that the future of the Dome is in question (the maintenance money runs out in a couple of years and there's a lot of deferred maintenance needed, not to mention the age of the stadium), the St. Louis Dome may be a goner sooner rather than later. |
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Post by novicebanddad on Nov 13, 2022 0:29:10 GMT -6
Not trolling, trumpet300. Don't appreciate your assumption about this. I will follow proper channels to push different venues. Interesting that so many people are fixed on LOS. I wonder why? Im just waiting for you to list all these amazing venues It's so cool that you call someone a troll to denigrate their opinion and thoughts. Shows lack of open mind and lack of inclusiveness. You don't want to change, so you call me a troll instead of appreciating my idea of including other venues - typical closed mind living in fear of alternate ideas. We'll see... Best wishes. |
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Post by weller22 on Nov 13, 2022 0:29:17 GMT -6
Dudes just trolling...he very clearly doesn't know anything. Anyone that knows logistics especially in band knows that LOS is the place to be. Not trolling, trumpet300. Don't appreciate your assumption about this. I will follow proper channels to push different venues. Interesting that so many people are fixed on LOS. I wonder why? Don't live in Indiana. Never lived in Indiana. I've seen the struggles with venues like the new dome in Atlanta. When Washington pulled out on DCI and they had to move to College Park. How terrible Orlando was. Jackson...... The sound issues at other indoor venues. Housing and traffic issues in places like St. Louis. The Alamodome is probably the 2nd best option to Indy and it still falls way short. This event is really complex for a variety of reasons. Just little nuances like props create issues. BOA and eventually DCI did not settle on Indy because they really like Indiana high school bands. |
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Post by trumpet300 on Nov 13, 2022 0:30:04 GMT -6
Not trolling, trumpet300. Don't appreciate your assumption about this. I will follow proper channels to push different venues. Interesting that so many people are fixed on LOS. I wonder why? Don't live in Indiana. Never lived in Indiana. I've seen the struggles with venues like the new dome in Atlanta. When Washington pulled out on DCI and they had to move to College Park. How terrible Orlando was. Jackson...... The sound issues at other indoor venues. Housing and traffic issues in places like St. Louis. The Alamodome is probably the 2nd best option to Indy and it still falls way short. This event is really complex for a variety of reasons. Just little nuances like props create issues. BOA and eventually DCI did not settle on Indy because they really like Indiana high school bands. You get it!! |
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Post by trumpet300 on Nov 13, 2022 0:31:38 GMT -6
Im just waiting for you to list all these amazing venues It's so cool that you call someone a troll to denigrate their opinion and thoughts. Shows lack of open mind and lack of inclusiveness. You don't want to change, so you call me a troll instead of appreciating my idea of including other venues - typical closed mind living in fear of alternate ideas. We'll see... Best wishes. To be clear, its not that I or anyone doesn't want to change...its that there's no need to change. That's the point here on this topic. Best wishes my friend. |
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Post by novicebanddad on Nov 13, 2022 0:33:05 GMT -6
Don't live in Indiana. Never lived in Indiana. I've seen the struggles with venues like the new dome in Atlanta. When Washington pulled out on DCI and they had to move to College Park. How terrible Orlando was. Jackson...... The sound issues at other indoor venues. Housing and traffic issues in places like St. Louis. The Alamodome is probably the 2nd best option to Indy and it still falls way short. This event is really complex for a variety of reasons. Just little nuances like props create issues. BOA and eventually DCI did not settle on Indy because they really like Indiana high school bands. You get it!! Every location has nuances - that's the flexibility a band needs to have. Done with this conversation. Good night and thanks for sharing! |
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Post by paddy on Nov 13, 2022 0:35:12 GMT -6
Im just waiting for you to list all these amazing venues It's so cool that you call someone a troll to denigrate their opinion and thoughts. Shows lack of open mind and lack of inclusiveness. You don't want to change, so you call me a troll instead of appreciating my idea of including other venues - typical closed mind living in fear of alternate ideas. We'll see... Best wishes. Other venues have been regularly discussed on here multiple times over the years. This isn’t about not appreciating something, it is the reality that no one has ever made a suggestion that makes sense in previous conversations. Then you make an appeal to authority (a lazy rhetorical device), but won’t share your expertise with a message board of band nerds who I LOVE to discuss this topic. |
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Post by trumpet300 on Nov 13, 2022 0:36:18 GMT -6
It's so cool that you call someone a troll to denigrate their opinion and thoughts. Shows lack of open mind and lack of inclusiveness. You don't want to change, so you call me a troll instead of appreciating my idea of including other venues - typical closed mind living in fear of alternate ideas. We'll see... Best wishes. Other venues have been regularly discussed on here multiple times over the years. This isn’t about not appreciating something, it is the reality that no one has ever made a suggestion that makes sense in previous conversations. Then you make an appeal to authority (a lazy rhetorical device), but won’t share your expertise with a message board of band nerds who I LOVE to discuss this topic. What about Lucas Oil? I've heard it's a good venue for band...might be worth checking out? |
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Post by paddy on Nov 13, 2022 0:37:36 GMT -6
Other venues have been regularly discussed on here multiple times over the years. This isn’t about not appreciating something, it is the reality that no one has ever made a suggestion that makes sense in previous conversations. Then you make an appeal to authority (a lazy rhetorical device), but won’t share your expertise with a message board of band nerds who I LOVE to discuss this topic. What about Lucas Oil? I've heard it's a good venue for band...might be worth checking out? I heard that DCI and MFA/BOA were involved in the design discussions to make sure it worked well for large band events… |
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Post by trumpet300 on Nov 13, 2022 0:38:16 GMT -6
What about Lucas Oil? I've heard it's a good venue for band...might be worth checking out? I heard that DCI and MFA/BOA were involved in the design discussions to make sure it worked well for large band events… I'm sold, we're trying it. |
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Post by 70sguardchick on Nov 13, 2022 0:39:12 GMT -6
Yeah, and they don't have the infrastructure to handle an event like this. Just the housing aspect would be too much. I've thought about this topic a lot. There's simply not another location that provides what Indy provides for this event(part of this is Lucas Oil just being a good stadium acoustically). And it's still somewhat centrally located. Sorry, but again, don't agree. There are many other possible and very hospitable venues. Other venues might be possible. None, however, are located two blocks from the organization that plans, runs, and hosts the event. Proximity is huge. |
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Post by paddy on Nov 13, 2022 0:40:17 GMT -6
Sorry, but again, don't agree. There are many other possible and very hospitable venues. Other venues might be possible. None, however, are located two blocks from the organization that plans, runs, and hosts the event. Proximity is huge. Please don’t bring logic and reason into this… |
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Post by hewhowaits on Nov 13, 2022 0:42:48 GMT -6
I think that we should host grand nationals in Anchorage, Alaska. Sullivan Arena??? Alaska super regional hosted by Colony, coming soon We would have some of the nicest volunteers you've ever met based on my interactions with Colony students and parents when they came to GN. |
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Post by 70sguardchick on Nov 13, 2022 0:44:09 GMT -6
Other venues might be possible. None, however, are located two blocks from the organization that plans, runs, and hosts the event. Proximity is huge. Please don’t bring logic and reason into this… Sorry - I’ve been up for almost 24 hours at this point and I wasn’t thinking. It won’t happen again….. |
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Post by weller22 on Nov 13, 2022 0:52:29 GMT -6
I think it would be cool if they held it in St. Louis. Right in the middle! Given that the future of the Dome is in question (the maintenance money runs out in a couple of years and there's a lot of deferred maintenance needed, not to mention the age of the stadium), the St. Louis Dome may be a goner sooner rather than later. But they have all that NFL/Rams lawsuit money coming in.....that I'm sure the city will allocate responsibly. I do wonder if the new soccer stadium could be a viable venue for a regional if the dome goes down. |
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