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Post by dbalash on Dec 22, 2022 11:44:20 GMT -6
In other words, Texas gets it. Music Education is extremely important and Marching Band is an important piece of Music Education. The rest of the country could learn a lot from Texas in this arena. I am still amazed at the number of states that don’t even have state marching competitions! Do they not have concert season competitions either? There's the random smattering of colleges/universities hosting in Illinois, a few long-running festivals, plus the Knights of Columbus hosts a Catholic school band competition for the Chicago schools, and that's about it.
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Post by vidal28rdg on Dec 22, 2022 21:55:58 GMT -6
In other words, Texas gets it. Music Education is extremely important and Marching Band is an important piece of Music Education. The rest of the country could learn a lot from Texas in this arena. I am still amazed at the number of states that don’t even have state marching competitions! Do they not have concert season competitions either? merging the state music competitions with the organization that manages the frenzy that is Texas athletic sports competition and being a part of that framework has proven to serve the activity well for the most part. Choir and orchestra of course fall into this umbrella as well, along with TMEA sharing responsibilities and functioning essentially the same but being more geared towards overseeing the individual competition side, it works alright haha. Kids are usually always using the same reliable infrastructure/venues for each phase of competition, there’s no surprises. For marching band, region competition is always at a centrally located venue for all groups competing, same with Area, and of course you can count on state being at the Alamodome every year haha. For concert season, the venue is the same, very familiar for the UIL region competition, solo and ensemble competitions, Etc. Very structured and predictable I’ll use my personal experience being in UIL/TMEA Region 5 for all of high school, it never changed(not always the case everywhere in the state of course, metro areas and even smaller areas are growing/evolving so the layout and alignment can change more frequently for others) my UIL region contest for both marching and concert were both a 10-ish minute bus ride from school to Mansfield for either their MISD stadium, which is very nice, or their Performing arts center for concert, also very nice, it was just the norm and made what are typically big days on the band calendar much more routine and normal, for marching band getting the 1 rating was already routine, but UIL concert day was always a bit more stressful feeling! Same situation for All-region auditions, although the location moved a bit more frequently for the second phase(phase 2 wooo) first phase was always at the same Mansfield HS, and for the second phase, it went from another of my city’s schools to my school for my junior and senior year, home field advantage definitely felt nice and comfortable when in an otherwise stressful audition situation haha
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Post by tubafish on Dec 23, 2022 11:40:54 GMT -6
The University of Memphis has over 22,000 students. Arlington and Munford High Schools have a combined student body of less than 3,500. UM definitely does not get "the bulk of its students" from the two schools (and probably not from the greater Memphis area, either). He definitely left out Bartlett and Collierville as well, two VERY successful programs in the Memphis area this season. 😍 i was referring to the university of memphis marching band , not the entire student body. as far as bartlett and collierville they were not forgotten but i left them out because they are both just now getting back to their former glory and no longer have the type of clout with university of memphis that the other 2 do. i probably should have included Houston high school in my earlier post as well. i would LOVE to see a memphis regional . i think it would draw very well and really get some boa contenders that usually dont go to any boa events. who knows , with munford being under new direction maybe the Uof M will be more open to BOA.. they dont have to be involved if they dont want to be but they do have site control
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Post by hewhowaits on Dec 24, 2022 6:21:18 GMT -6
He definitely left out Bartlett and Collierville as well, two VERY successful programs in the Memphis area this season. 😍 i was referring to the university of memphis marching band , not the entire student body. as far as bartlett and collierville they were not forgotten but i left them out because they are both just now getting back to their former glory and no longer have the type of clout with university of memphis that the other 2 do. i probably should have included Houston high school in my earlier post as well. i would LOVE to see a memphis regional . i think it would draw very well and really get some boa contenders that usually dont go to any boa events. who knows , with munford being under new direction maybe the Uof M will be more open to BOA.. they dont have to be involved if they dont want to be but they do have site control That makes more sense, but I wouldn't place too much emphasis on the impact of a majority of 250ish students in the Marching Band on whether the university will hold "somebody else's" event in their stadium. The income from stadium rental and concessions (for what would otherwise be an empty building that weekend) and the potential to recruit students from other bands (whether for band or in general) are both big incentives for host colleges.
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Post by tubafish on Dec 26, 2022 7:49:40 GMT -6
i was referring to the university of memphis marching band , not the entire student body. as far as bartlett and collierville they were not forgotten but i left them out because they are both just now getting back to their former glory and no longer have the type of clout with university of memphis that the other 2 do. i probably should have included Houston high school in my earlier post as well. i would LOVE to see a memphis regional . i think it would draw very well and really get some boa contenders that usually dont go to any boa events. who knows , with munford being under new direction maybe the Uof M will be more open to BOA.. they dont have to be involved if they dont want to be but they do have site control That makes more sense, but I wouldn't place too much emphasis on the impact of a majority of 250ish students in the Marching Band on whether the university will hold "somebody else's" event in their stadium. The income from stadium rental and concessions (for what would otherwise be an empty building that weekend) and the potential to recruit students from other bands (whether for band or in general) are both big incentives for host colleges. i have spoken with the director of the music department at the Uof M and he did confirm that they are in talks with BOA. it may be this year or next year but they are still trying to work out a date
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Post by LeanderMomma on Dec 28, 2022 4:37:21 GMT -6
That makes more sense, but I wouldn't place too much emphasis on the impact of a majority of 250ish students in the Marching Band on whether the university will hold "somebody else's" event in their stadium. The income from stadium rental and concessions (for what would otherwise be an empty building that weekend) and the potential to recruit students from other bands (whether for band or in general) are both big incentives for host colleges. i have spoken with the director of the music department at the Uof M and he did confirm that they are in talks with BOA. it may be this year or next year but they are still trying to work out a date phenomenal news!!
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Post by dbalash on Jan 9, 2023 14:09:22 GMT -6
Update from the original schedule:
McAllen moves from 9/16 to 9/30, leaving only Whitewater and Kentucky on 9/16.
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Post by hewhowaits on Jan 9, 2023 16:00:52 GMT -6
Update from the original schedule: McAllen moves from 9/16 to 9/30, leaving only Whitewater and Kentucky on 9/16. And giving us three Texas regionals on 9/30. South Texas, West Texas, and Houston area.
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Post by LeanderMomma on Jan 9, 2023 19:29:48 GMT -6
Update from the original schedule: McAllen moves from 9/16 to 9/30, leaving only Whitewater and Kentucky on 9/16. oh wow! That’s an interesting change. I wish they had moved Austin instead and put McAllen the 23rd.
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Post by yayband914 on Jan 9, 2023 20:11:38 GMT -6
Update from the original schedule: McAllen moves from 9/16 to 9/30, leaving only Whitewater and Kentucky on 9/16. oh wow! That’s an interesting change. I wish they had moved Austin instead and put McAllen the 23rd. How come?
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Post by LeanderMomma on Jan 9, 2023 20:27:03 GMT -6
oh wow! That’s an interesting change. I wish they had moved Austin instead and put McAllen the 23rd. How come? I’ve just always felt like BOA Austin was too early in the season but it is what it is! Someone has to go first. 🤪
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Post by hewhowaits on Mar 2, 2023 5:53:51 GMT -6
Latest listing of dates and sites (updated as of 3/1/2023)
September 16 Kentucky Area - site tbd Whitewater, WI - University of Wisconsin - Whitewater Perkins Stadium
September 23 Austin, TX - Kelly Reeves Athletic Complex Chattanooga, TN - Finley Stadium (University of Tennessee - Chattanooga) Las Cruces, NM - Aggie Stadium at New Mexico State University Obetz, OH - Fortress Obetz
September 30 Des Moines, IA - Waukee Northwest Athletic Complex McAllen, TX - Veterans Memorial Stadium Midland, TX - Astound Broadband Stadium Shenandoah, TX - Woodforest Bank Stadium - Conroe ISD (site tentative)
October 7 Bedford, TX - Pennington Field Flagstaff, AZ - Northern Arizona University (Walkup Skydome) Katy, TX - Legacy Stadium - Katy ISD (site tentative) Memphis, TN - Simmons Bank Liberty Stadium Toledo, OH - Glass Bowl at the University of Toledo
October 14 Prosper, TX - Prosper ISD Children's Health Stadium
October 20-21 Super Regional - Indianapolis, IN - Lucas Oil Stadium
October 21 Mid-Atlantic Regional - site tbd Johnson City, TN - East Tennessee State University Ballad Health Athletic Center Orlando, FL - Camping World Stadium
October 27-28 Super Regional - St. Louis, MO - The Dome at America's Center
October 28 Piscataway, NJ - SHI Stadium at Rutgers University Riverside, CA - Ramona H.S. Waco, TX - Panther-Hewitt Stadium at Midway H.S.
November 3-4 Super Regional - San Antonio, TX - Alamodome
November 4 St. George, UT - Greater Zion Stadium, Utah Tech University
November 9-11 Grand National Championships - Indianapolis, IN - Lucas Oil Stadium
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Post by tarheel36 on Mar 15, 2023 12:05:30 GMT -6
Word is that BOA is looking at adding a show in the Carolinas on October 14th.
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Post by statechamp1239 on Mar 15, 2023 13:05:49 GMT -6
Word is that BOA is looking at adding a show in the Carolinas on October 14th. Lambert does have Winston Salem but it's on Oct. 21st
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Post by hewhowaits on Mar 15, 2023 13:18:54 GMT -6
Word is that BOA is looking at adding a show in the Carolinas on October 14th. The request for availability for working as Event Staff came out yesterday. October 14 still only lists Prosper for this date, so nothing solid at this time.
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Post by dbalash on Mar 15, 2023 13:25:43 GMT -6
Word is that BOA is looking at adding a show in the Carolinas on October 14th. Lambert does have Winston Salem but it's on Oct. 21st And Wake Forest (the presumed host in the area...unless they go back to the track) is not available 10/21.
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Post by tarheel36 on Mar 15, 2023 13:37:04 GMT -6
Lambert does have Winston Salem but it's on Oct. 21st And Wake Forest (the presumed host in the area...unless they go back to the track) is not available 10/21. Wake Forest and Coastal Carolina were mentioned as the specific potential sites.
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Post by es203 on Mar 15, 2023 14:45:11 GMT -6
Why didn't they have a Winston Salem show in the first place...
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Post by Subito Fortissimo on Mar 15, 2023 20:20:20 GMT -6
Lambert does have Winston Salem but it's on Oct. 21st unless they go back to the track
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Post by Subito Fortissimo on Mar 15, 2023 20:22:37 GMT -6
FWIW I just heard about this yesterday and mentioned it to a director that is already signed up for a BOA show this year. He had not heard anything about it and he's pretty tuned in to the Carolinas band world. It just feels super late to be adding shows for BOA when a lot of directors have already set their schedules for the Fall.
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Post by marimba11 on Mar 15, 2023 22:53:18 GMT -6
Why didn't they have a Winston Salem show in the first place... The question I have as well. Coastal Carolina would be an EXCELLENT venue. I've driven by that stadium many times on 544 it's right along the road. Only thing is parking and surface lot space seems small.
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Post by tarheel36 on Mar 16, 2023 12:35:37 GMT -6
FWIW I just heard about this yesterday and mentioned it to a director that is already signed up for a BOA show this year. He had not heard anything about it and he's pretty tuned in to the Carolinas band world. It just feels super late to be adding shows for BOA when a lot of directors have already set their schedules for the Fall. I learned this directly from a high up BOA staff member 😃
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Post by Allohak on Mar 16, 2023 17:55:16 GMT -6
Word is that BOA is looking at adding a show in the Carolinas on October 14th. The request for availability for working as Event Staff came out yesterday. October 14 still only lists Prosper for this date, so nothing solid at this time. You didn't look closely, becahse it was indeed on there 😝
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Post by hewhowaits on Mar 16, 2023 18:23:23 GMT -6
The request for availability for working as Event Staff came out yesterday. October 14 still only lists Prosper for this date, so nothing solid at this time. You didn't look closely, becahse it was indeed on there 😝 On Tuesday, Prosper was the only site listed on that weekend (which happens to be the only weekend all season I am not available). A site in the Carolinas is eminently drivable for me and this will be two consecutive years that MFA can't take advantage of my proximity for cost savings (only weekend unavailable last year too).
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Post by thewho on Mar 17, 2023 12:02:24 GMT -6
Why didn't they have a Winston Salem show in the first place... There's a number of factors that usually precede BOA's decision to not actively list a contest. Some which I've heard over the years include not being able to generate enough interest beforehand (i.e. commitments), host availability, poor timing relative to interested programs, or just not as prioritized as highly for miscellaneous reasons. In this case, it seems to be a combination of both host availability and consequently lowly prioritized. BOA has a bit of an icy relationship with site hence it being on-off for years- BOA hosts the regional when the chance comes around, but never out of their initiative typically. The demand never really went away, but honestly... how does BOA guarantee a great experience when the Wake Forest stadium proved to easily one of the more premier BOA regionals in that arena? There's not a lot of stadiums within BOA's budget to be able to offer the same.* The feedback seems that the bands around the coastal Southeast wants to attend, enough for BOA to prod for interest in the event staff to see if there's enough willing to go. Although a coincidence, I'm pretty sure Prosper being the only regional hosted for their weekend was intended as a break for the actual BOA employees once it emerged most sites wouldn't be available for said weekend. I'm thinking the leadership re-evaluated the interest once their choice sites reported they'd be available and whether the site would draw demand. *This is a different leadership, though, so I'm not so sure this is generally true anymore.
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Post by yayband914 on Apr 3, 2023 13:52:08 GMT -6
Schedule on first page of this thread updated with more regional locations and six newly-announced BOA Affiliate Events, including individual threads on the Competitions page.
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Post by ILFollower on Apr 3, 2023 14:36:55 GMT -6
Schedule on first page of this thread updated with more regional locations and six newly-announced BOA Affiliate Events, including individual threads on the Competitions page. Will the six BOA Affiliate events be on the Results page for this season?
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Post by cybrunette on Apr 3, 2023 15:03:28 GMT -6
Schedule on first page of this thread updated with more regional locations and six newly-announced BOA Affiliate Events, including individual threads on the Competitions page. Honestly I'm surprised they made the decision to add 3 in IL & IN with the already enough BOA events up in that area instead of spreading them out in areas such as the Pacific NW, Northern Cali, & the New England areas.
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Post by statechamp1239 on Apr 3, 2023 15:11:54 GMT -6
Schedule on first page of this thread updated with more regional locations and six newly-announced BOA Affiliate Events, including individual threads on the Competitions page. Honestly I'm surprised they made the decision to add 3 in IL & IN with the already enough BOA events up in that area instead of spreading them out in areas such as the Pacific NW, Northern Cali, & the New England areas. Agreed!
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Post by principalagent on Apr 3, 2023 15:21:27 GMT -6
There’s something to say about doubling down where you have a hold on the market. Also, local competitions in California, and I have to assume New England, tend to follow the prevailing circuit in the area. I could see it being a hard sell to convince an established circuit to change its sheets and scoring rubric for a one off competition.
I will say, there seems to be appetite for BOA in Colorado, so I’m surprised there’s not a partnership there.
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