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Post by yayband914 on Nov 30, 2022 15:57:27 GMT -6
The full 2023 Bands of America event schedule!
September 9 Metro East Marching Classic (Affiliate Event) - O'Fallon, IL - O'Fallon Township H.S.
September 16 Louisville, KY - Cardinal Stadium at the University of Louisville Whitewater, WI - Perkins Stadium at the University of Wisconsin-Whitewater
September 23 Austin, TX - Kelly Reeves Athletic Complex Chattanooga, TN - Finley Stadium at University of Tennessee-Chattanooga Las Cruces, NM - Aggie Stadium at New Mexico State University Obetz, OH - Fortress Obetz
September 30 Des Moines, IA - Waukee Northwest Athletic Complex McAllen, TX - Veterans Memorial Stadium Midland, TX - Astound Broadband Stadium Shenandoah, TX - Woodforest Bank Stadium - Conroe ISD (site tentative)
Fishers Marching Invitational (Affiliate Event) - Fishers, IN - Fishers H.S. Low Country Invitational (Affiliate Event) - Mt. Pleasant, SC - Wando H.S.
October 7 Bedford, TX - Pennington Field Flagstaff, AZ - Northern Arizona University (Walkup Skydome) Katy, TX - Legacy Stadium - Katy ISD (site tentative) Memphis, TN - Simmons Bank Liberty Stadium Toledo, OH - Glass Bowl at the University of Toledo
Broken Arrow Marching Invitational (Affiliate Event) - Broken Arrow, OK - Broken Arrow H.S.
October 14 Conway, SC - Brooks Stadium at Coastal Carolina University Prosper, TX - Prosper ISD Children's Health Stadium Lincoln-Way Marching Invitational (Affiliate Event) - New Lenox, IL - Lincoln-Way H.S. Power Band Classic (Affiliate Event) - Pearcy, AR - Lake Hamilton H.S. Woodson Cavalier Showcase (Affiliate Event) - Fairfax, VA - W. T. Woodson H.S.
October 20-21 Super Regional - Indianapolis, IN - Lucas Oil Stadium
October 21 College Park, MD - SECU Stadium at the University of Maryland Johnson City, TN - Ballad Health Athletic Center at East Tennessee State University Orlando, FL - Camping World Stadium
Music for All Buford (Affiliate Event) - Buford, GA - Buford H.S.
October 27-28 Super Regional - St. Louis, MO - The Dome at America's Center
October 28 Piscataway, NJ - SHI Stadium at Rutgers University Riverside, CA - Ramona H.S. Waco, TX - Panther-Hewitt Stadium at Midway H.S.
November 3-4 Super Regional - San Antonio, TX - Alamodome
November 4 St. George, UT - Greater Zion Stadium at Utah Tech University Troy, AL - Veterans Memorial Stadium at Troy University
November 9-11 Grand National Championships - Indianapolis, IN - Lucas Oil Stadium
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Post by abtwitch on Nov 30, 2022 16:09:20 GMT -6
Based on band calendars and the usual schedule, BOA Austin on Sept. 23rd is probably as safe as you can get
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Post by thewho on Nov 30, 2022 16:23:19 GMT -6
A few others have gotten the word the dates and sites have not been set in stone just yet. Not to surprising to me, given we're still very far out from April/May.
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Post by yayband914 on Nov 30, 2022 16:28:10 GMT -6
A few others have gotten the word the dates and sites have not been set in stone just yet. Not to surprising to me, given we're still very far out from April/May. What’s in April or May?
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Post by thewho on Nov 30, 2022 16:30:39 GMT -6
A few others have gotten the word the dates and sites have not been set in stone just yet. Not to surprising to me, given we're still very far out from April/May. What’s in April or May? That's when the band lists usually comes out, IIRC. I don't know when the schedule will be out otherwise.
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Post by paddy on Nov 30, 2022 16:33:55 GMT -6
I just have a hard time believing that Indy SR is going to happen on the same weekend as ISSMA Semi-State.
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Post by yayband914 on Nov 30, 2022 16:43:27 GMT -6
That's when the band lists usually comes out, IIRC. I don't know when the schedule will be out otherwise. The regional schedule is usually announced around the Midwest Clinic, and the bands have been announced around July or August lately if I’m not mistaken. I miss the good old days when it was in April/May though…
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Post by thewho on Nov 30, 2022 16:47:59 GMT -6
That's when the band lists usually comes out, IIRC. I don't know when the schedule will be out otherwise. The regional schedule is usually announced around the Midwest Clinic, and the bands have been announced around July or August lately if I’m not mistaken. I miss the good old days when it was in April/May though… Yup, I'm just going to assume once an accident, twice a coincidence, three times a pattern in this case.
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Post by hewhowaits on Dec 1, 2022 7:49:02 GMT -6
You can state with certainty that Grand Nationals will be November 9-11. That information is both well known and published (future GN dates are usually posted three years out and the weekend including the 2nd Thursday of November has been the timing of the event for a LONG time.
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Post by LeanderMomma on Dec 2, 2022 0:13:44 GMT -6
Are we not also pretty positive that BOA San Antonio will be the Fri/Sat before GN?
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Post by hewhowaits on Dec 2, 2022 6:25:49 GMT -6
Are we not also pretty positive that BOA San Antonio will be the Fri/Sat before GN? Seems likely but the date is not published years in advance as they do with GN.
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Post by hdni on Dec 2, 2022 9:33:16 GMT -6
Again, just rumblings at Grand Nationals:
Memphis regional in early October or first Saturday in November, Johnson City moving to Chattanooga and leaving JC as a A-AA Grand Nats. No Clarksville in this case.
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Post by LeanderMomma on Dec 2, 2022 14:43:33 GMT -6
Again, just rumblings at Grand Nationals: Memphis regional in early October or first Saturday in November, Johnson City moving to Chattanooga and leaving JC as a A-AA Grand Nats. No Clarksville in this case. I will definitely hit up that Memphis BOA if it happens and isn’t the same weekend as San Antonio!
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Post by philodemus on Dec 2, 2022 15:44:29 GMT -6
Again, just rumblings at Grand Nationals: Memphis regional in early October or first Saturday in November, Johnson City moving to Chattanooga and leaving JC as a A-AA Grand Nats. No Clarksville in this case. I wonder what facility in Memphis? Doesn't the University of Memphis still host its own, rather large, local competition? Would they be down to host two large comps in a season?
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Post by statechamp1239 on Dec 2, 2022 17:02:00 GMT -6
Again, just rumblings at Grand Nationals: Memphis regional in early October or first Saturday in November, Johnson City moving to Chattanooga and leaving JC as a A-AA Grand Nats. No Clarksville in this case. I wonder what facility in Memphis? Doesn't the University of Memphis still host its own, rather large, local competition? Would they be down to host two large comps in a season? University of Memphis has been hosting the Bandmaster Championships since 1963 in Liberty Bowl Memorial Stadium usually around 30+ schools compete from Mississippi, Arkansas, Alabama, Kentucky, and Tennessee, but this year they had 16 bands. A fun fact out the 59 years only 3 years has been canceled due to weather. They usually host the last week of October and this year Arlington, TN (Grand Champion) beat Munford, TN for the first time with a 2-point lead.
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Post by Subito Fortissimo on Dec 2, 2022 19:50:21 GMT -6
Again, just rumblings at Grand Nationals: Memphis regional in early October or first Saturday in November, Johnson City moving to Chattanooga and leaving JC as a A-AA Grand Nats. No Clarksville in this case. I really have to believe that the people pushing this rumor of a A-AA Nationals at Johnson City have never actually been inside the mini-dome. That facility simply cannot handle a competition of that level in the modern marching band world.
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Post by LeanderMomma on Dec 3, 2022 11:02:18 GMT -6
Again, just rumblings at Grand Nationals: Memphis regional in early October or first Saturday in November, Johnson City moving to Chattanooga and leaving JC as a A-AA Grand Nats. No Clarksville in this case. I wonder what facility in Memphis? Doesn't the University of Memphis still host its own, rather large, local competition? Would they be down to host two large comps in a season? I’m thinking it would be at the Liberty Bowl.
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Post by yayband914 on Dec 3, 2022 11:23:07 GMT -6
I’ll believe a separate A-AA Grand Nationals (in Tennessee no less) when we see it. If it does happen, I don’t think it will be in 2023. I know many educators in the activity and I haven’t heard anything about it actually happening. Surely they would have been told something by now.
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Post by LeanderMomma on Dec 3, 2022 16:31:40 GMT -6
I wonder what facility in Memphis? Doesn't the University of Memphis still host its own, rather large, local competition? Would they be down to host two large comps in a season? I’m thinking it would be at the Liberty Bowl. which is also where the University of Memphis plays football but other things happen here as well. Things like DCI Memphis. 🤩 MFA is probably already very familiar with the stadium.
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Post by hdni on Dec 3, 2022 19:48:21 GMT -6
I’ll believe a separate A-AA Grand Nationals (in Tennessee no less) when we see it. If it does happen, I don’t think it will be in 2023. I know many educators in the activity and I haven’t heard anything about it actually happening. Surely they would have been told something by now. I have a hard time believing it as well, it was just odd that I heard from 3 unrelated sources that it was being explored. As has been said in other threads, I think there is a concern of lack of representation of smaller schools in finals and semi finals at Grand Nationals.
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Post by yayband914 on Dec 3, 2022 20:06:01 GMT -6
I’ll believe a separate A-AA Grand Nationals (in Tennessee no less) when we see it. If it does happen, I don’t think it will be in 2023. I know many educators in the activity and I haven’t heard anything about it actually happening. Surely they would have been told something by now. I have a hard time believing it as well, it was just odd that I heard from 3 unrelated sources that it was being explored. As has been said in other threads, I think there is a concern of lack of representation of smaller schools in finals and semi finals at Grand Nationals. Oh I am definitely in favor of a Small School Grand Nationals happening, I’m just saying I think it’ll be at least a couple of years before we actually see it come to fruition.
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Post by paddy on Dec 4, 2022 7:29:32 GMT -6
If you are worried about lack of representation at GN you should endeavor to fix that format.
Moving to a whole other site with half the field is just dumb.
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Post by ohioguy2 on Dec 4, 2022 7:36:57 GMT -6
If you are worried about lack of representation at GN you should endeavor to fix that format. Moving to a whole other site with half the field is just dumb. You can disagree with the idea but that doesn’t make it dumb. In nearly every other activity students participate in they are divided by big schools and small schools. I doubt in whatever state you’re in the big school and small school cross country teams run in the same state final race. It’s not like they. All run at the same time and then they pick the class winners. Often they’re at a completely different site. The same with other “subjective” sports, such as gymnastics. Just because we’ve always done something a certain way doesn’t mean it’s the right way it should be done.
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Post by paddy on Dec 4, 2022 9:52:03 GMT -6
If you are worried about lack of representation at GN you should endeavor to fix that format. Moving to a whole other site with half the field is just dumb. You can disagree with the idea but that doesn’t make it dumb. In nearly every other activity students participate in they are divided by big schools and small schools. I doubt in whatever state you’re in the big school and small school cross country teams run in the same state final race. It’s not like they. All run at the same time and then they pick the class winners. Often they’re at a completely different site. The same with other “subjective” sports, such as gymnastics. Just because we’ve always done something a certain way doesn’t mean it’s the right way it should be done. No, when I disagree with an idea that’s a pretty good indicator of the idiocy of said idea. I’ve never said anything about keeping the current system. I’ve been a vocal proponent for making adjustments. And Indiana is a one class state for cross country, golf, gymnastics, tennis, and track
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Post by ohioguy2 on Dec 4, 2022 12:38:55 GMT -6
You can disagree with the idea but that doesn’t make it dumb. In nearly every other activity students participate in they are divided by big schools and small schools. I doubt in whatever state you’re in the big school and small school cross country teams run in the same state final race. It’s not like they. All run at the same time and then they pick the class winners. Often they’re at a completely different site. The same with other “subjective” sports, such as gymnastics. Just because we’ve always done something a certain way doesn’t mean it’s the right way it should be done. No, when I disagree with an idea that’s a pretty good indicator of the idiocy of said idea. I’ve never said anything about keeping the current system. I’ve been a vocal proponent for making adjustments. And Indiana is a one class state for cross country, golf, gymnastics, tennis, and track Cool, and other states aren’t.
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Post by hostrauser on Dec 4, 2022 13:30:51 GMT -6
If you are worried about lack of representation at GN you should endeavor to fix that format. Moving to a whole other site with half the field is just dumb. Rare that Paddy and I agree, but... Paddy and I agree. I don't really like the idea of split Grand Nationals by class. My first thought is that every class champion should be an automatic Finalist (or even the top two from every class), and the other eight spots (or four) could be at-large bids. If they are INSISTENT on splitting Grand Nationals, I would suggest turning AAAA into an "Open" class and making the split between AAA/Open and not AA/AAA. Bands like Tarpon Springs and Blue Springs could move up to Open. Then we could have a 12-band Open Class Finals at one site, and a 12-band A/AA/AAA Finals at another site.
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Post by hdni on Dec 4, 2022 15:18:20 GMT -6
I would not be a proponent of splitting A-AA and AAA-AAAA into two completely separate events - I think A-AA groups who want to perform at Lucas Oil in a Grand Nationals setting should be able to. I think the idea (if it does indeed exist) is to give A-AA a chance to compete directly with their peers of the same school size on a National scale in addition to other performance opportunities they might take advantage of (like Grand Nationals in Lucas Oil and whatever else).
I think if I was a Jenison, Kiski, Grain Valley, or Murray (just to name a few), I would be very excited to compete at an A-AA GN in addition to an Indy GN. Johnson City, from many accounts, doesn’t sound like it would be the best venue for this (I wouldn’t know, I’ve never seen the facility).
To Hostrauser’s points, I would no be a fan of removing potentially the 8-12th place semi finalists bands from Finals to fill in with 1-2 bands from A and AA who might have been much further down the list. I think if there is an issue with A-AA representation in Finals, they should tack on more exhibition groups.
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Post by philodemus on Dec 4, 2022 16:25:29 GMT -6
I think if I was a Jenison, Kiski, Grain Valley, or Murray (just to name a few), I would be very excited to compete at an A-AA GN in addition to an Indy GN. In the purely abstract, this might be the case, but in the gritty logistical reality it is probably prohibitively expensive for smaller schools. To speak of what I know... suppose an A/AA event were held in Johnson City the weekend prior to Grand Nats. Kentucky State [which, for us, is in fact a big deal] is the last week of October, the new event would be the following week, and Grand Nats the one after that. Three weekends in a row of busses, hotel rooms, and missed school. Very few Kentucky groups would be able to swing this.
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Post by marimba11 on Dec 4, 2022 22:48:57 GMT -6
You can disagree with the idea but that doesn’t make it dumb. In nearly every other activity students participate in they are divided by big schools and small schools. I doubt in whatever state you’re in the big school and small school cross country teams run in the same state final race. It’s not like they. All run at the same time and then they pick the class winners. Often they’re at a completely different site. The same with other “subjective” sports, such as gymnastics. Just because we’ve always done something a certain way doesn’t mean it’s the right way it should be done. No, when I disagree with an idea that’s a pretty good indicator of the idiocy of said idea. I’ve never said anything about keeping the current system. I’ve been a vocal proponent for making adjustments. And Indiana is a one class state for cross country, golf, gymnastics, tennis, and track LOL I am laughing. I agree with you and hostrauser too. Although I know we were having a very passionate discussion on bands like Tarpon pulling from the county and still being 2A… and then I said “well, let’s just eliminate the class placements all together since finals is just top 12, semis is 30 anyway and the bands that make it on class rarely do much better than 30.” Thinking back Tarpon does have an unfair advantage for the most part, but I think if they start changing those rules for one band it gets messy fast, so what are we really accomplishing. In any event we don’t have to rehash that discussion but it is somewhat related. I still think how boa does top 11, next 8 is fine, but I would like the performance order to go back to being truly random. And speaking of fairness for all bands regardless of class, I still think getting rid of the random draw and going to top 6 bottom 6 for regionals / GN was a bad idea. On a A/AA regional 🤷♂️ I am pretty not for this. Might okay to try out. But BOA is one of the FEW activities where the power of each band who signs up for whatever events is pretty even. Some great bands get crappy time slots, (Homestead Indy super this year), Any band can show up, you can have any type of show, there are no individual caption awards for guard/ percussion, your band can be as big or small as you want. There is effect in fewer numbers too ya’ll! It really is just “show us what you got.” So many activities are not like that now. On the topic of small bands, I think if small bands want to be better, they need to do what the large bands do. Play better, march better, have better shows, recruit better even!! The numbers game means different things to different people, but the way it is setup now is pretty darn fair. I bring Tarpon up again because they are in fact an outlier, but Kevin Ford had a vision and made it happen. Greg Bimm had a vision and made it happen. Is it harder to score higher with a small band? Probably… but so what. Just because it’s hard it shouldn’t be done? We need to separate out classes because it’s hard? Tarpon is just a normal community like so many and they can be successful. So can other AA bands. Numbers are only one factor in a sea of so many factors that contribute to band success.
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Post by ilikeguard on Dec 5, 2022 12:48:03 GMT -6
Let's add in a parade contest!
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