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Post by bigtrombone on Dec 19, 2022 9:08:47 GMT -6
The 2023 Whitewater Regional will be held Sept. 16 at Perkins Stadium on the campus of the University of Wisconsin-Whitewater in Whitewater, WI.
OFFICIAL PRELIMS SCHEDULE
(All times are in Central.)
12:15 - Fort Zumwalt West H.S., MO
12:30 - Wauwatosa West H.S., WI
12:45 - Plainfield North H.S., IL
1:00 - Grand Rapids H.S., MN
1:15 - Columbus H.S., WI
BREAK
2:00 - Irondale H.S., MN
2:15 - Davenport Central H.S., IA
2:30 - Prospect H.S., IL
2:45 - New Berlin West H.S., WI
3:00 - Oakville H.S., MO
3:15 - EXH. University of WI-Whitewater Warhawk Marching Band
OFFICIAL FINALS SCHEDULE
(All times are in Central.)
TBD
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Post by dbalash on Dec 19, 2022 9:26:32 GMT -6
Out:
Victor J. Andrew, IL (hosting)
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Post by neop on Dec 20, 2022 19:35:44 GMT -6
Debunked: Baldwin-Woodville H.S., WI and River Falls H.S., WI (attending Baldwin-Woodville local show, from calendars)
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Post by neop on Dec 23, 2022 16:08:29 GMT -6
Debunked: New Berlin Eisenhower H.S., WI and Franklin H.S., WI (attending Franklin local show, from New Berlin Eisenhower calendar)
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Post by neop on Dec 24, 2022 16:39:49 GMT -6
Possible: Eastview H.S., MN (calendar says MB Competition)
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Post by bigtrombone on Dec 24, 2022 21:47:57 GMT -6
Possible: Eastview H.S., MN (calendar says MB Competition) It's not out of the realm of possibility to see Eastview here, but it is more likely that they'll be at Rosemount's home show. |
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Post by neop on Dec 24, 2022 22:06:41 GMT -6
Possible: Eastview H.S., MN (calendar says MB Competition) It's not out of the realm of possibility to see Eastview here, but it is more likely that they'll be at Rosemount's home show. Yep, but I wanted to include them since it's a new regional without a set of established regularly attending bands. Just in case the new regional entices them! |
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Post by dbalash on Jan 23, 2023 10:13:52 GMT -6
Confirmed:
Davenport Central, IA
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Post by yayband914 on Jan 23, 2023 11:14:53 GMT -6
Really hoping this regional actually happens this year, now that it’s a week later (big whoop, I guess) and a competitive event rather than a clinic. Unfortunately though, the interest of Wisconsin bands just doesn’t seem that high, which makes me sad as a Wisco native. I don’t really think we will see that many, since local competitions here are the only way many programs can bring in a decent amount of money.
I would bet on Greendale attending (possibly Mukwonago since they signed up last year), and that’s likely it from the Wisconsin pool.
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Post by dbalash on Jan 23, 2023 12:33:05 GMT -6
Really hoping this regional actually happens this year, now that it’s a week later (big whoop, I guess) and a competitive event rather than a clinic. Unfortunately though, the interest of Wisconsin bands just doesn’t seem that high, which makes me sad as a Wisco native. I don’t really think we will see that many though, since local competitions here are the only way many programs can bring in a decent amount of money. Let's also hope that when the D3 football schedule gets released, there isn't once again magically a game that weekend that results in the cancellation of this regional. I'd love for some of the Illinois groups who have never/rarely done BOA before (Hersey, Joliet West, the Plainfields (not gonna happen because Plainfield South is hosting that day), Downers Grove South, D.D. Eisenhower, etc.) plus the regulars (Marian, Prospect, Lincoln-Way, Lake Park) to get out of the state and away from the same judges they see week in and week out at Chicago area shows. |
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Post by dbalash on Jan 30, 2023 13:01:55 GMT -6
Confirmed:
Plainfield North, IL
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Post by hostrauser on Feb 2, 2023 20:32:03 GMT -6
Really hoping this regional actually happens this year, now that it’s a week later (big whoop, I guess) and a competitive event rather than a clinic. Unfortunately though, the interest of Wisconsin bands just doesn’t seem that high, which makes me sad as a Wisco native. I don’t really think we will see that many, since local competitions here are the only way many programs can bring in a decent amount of money. I would bet on Greendale attending (possibly Mukwonago since they signed up last year), and that’s likely it from the Wisconsin pool. Wisconsin is kind of an odd state, marching band wise. Most schools have a marching band, and most marching bands are non-competitive glorified pep bands whose sole purpose is to support the sports teams. The competing bands are also clustered very regionally in the NW and SE of the state. Only a handful of competitive marching bands outside those two areas. Most schools are also very small compared to the national average. There are zero BOA 4A schools in Wisconsin and only a handful of 3A. I think there are only like five schools in the entire state with 9-12 enrollment over 2,000. It's almost all 1A/2A land. That said, WSMA always pulls in a top notch judging panel for the state championships each fall, with several big name BOA/DCI judges in the panel (Marie Czapinski, Jeff Queen, Mike Rubino, and Mike Turner were all on the 2022 panel; Lee Carlson, Beth Fabrizio, Ken Giese, Albert Lo, and Juno Orefice were all on the 2021 panel). I could see a few bands wanting that level of feedback earlier in the season signing up for this regional (in addition to Greendale and Mukwonago, I'll add Milton, Oak Creek, and Waukesha North; Baldwin-Woodville, Cumberland, and River Falls from the NW part of the state would be candidates, but I'm not sure if they'd be able to swing an overnight trip to Whitewater twice in four weeks). Not many, though, I'd say 5-10 is the maximum number of Wisconsin bands you'll ever see at a Wisconsin BOA event. |
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Post by statechamp1239 on Feb 3, 2023 9:53:48 GMT -6
Has there been Wisconsin band that made finals?
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Post by yayband914 on Feb 3, 2023 10:03:18 GMT -6
Has there been Wisconsin band to make finals? Only band I can think of was Oregon HS (I think) who made Grand National finals at least a couple of times in the 70s or 80s. I’m sure someone else can answer more specifically! |
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Post by hewhowaits on Feb 3, 2023 13:08:55 GMT -6
Has there been Wisconsin band to make finals? Only band I can think of was Oregon HS (I think) who made Grand National finals at least a couple of times in the 70s or 80s. I’m sure someone else can answer more specifically! 1978 and 1979 |
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Post by statechamp1239 on Feb 3, 2023 14:05:04 GMT -6
Has there been Wisconsin band to make finals? Only band I can think of was Oregon HS (I think) who made Grand National finals at least a couple of times in the 70s or 80s. I’m sure someone else can answer more specifically! Oh. I meant like a normal Regional |
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Post by yayband914 on Feb 3, 2023 14:12:39 GMT -6
Only band I can think of was Oregon HS (I think) who made Grand National finals at least a couple of times in the 70s or 80s. I’m sure someone else can answer more specifically! Oh. I meant like normal Regional Then no. The closest a Wisconsin band ever got to a regional finals (at least post-1990) is Greendale, who placed 13th at the 2019 Iowa regional, back when only 10 bands advanced to finals. If Greendale attends this regional, that will almost definitely change. There have been smatterings of Wisconsin bands (like River Falls, Waukesha North, and New Berlin West) who have attended the St. Louis or Indy supers, but never came even close to finals. Waukesha North came to Grand Nationals a couple of times in the early 2010s. |
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Post by statechamp1239 on Feb 3, 2023 17:26:38 GMT -6
Oh. I meant like normal Regional Then no. The closest a Wisconsin band ever got to a regional finals (at least post-1990) is Greendale, who placed 13th at the 2019 Iowa regional, back when only 10 bands advanced to finals. If Greendale attends this regional, that will almost definitely change. There have been smatterings of Wisconsin bands (like River Falls, Waukesha North, and New Berlin West) who have attended the St. Louis or Indy supers, but never came even close to finals. Waukesha North came to Grand Nationals a couple of times in the early 2010s. Ok. That's what I thought. I still surprise about Greendale they had some pretty amazing shows. |
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Post by boahistorybuff on Feb 4, 2023 5:01:19 GMT -6
As for Wisconsin bands in Regional Finals:
The only time thus far that a BOA Regional was held in Whitewater, WI (the site of the summer Grand Nationals of the 1970s and Summer Nationals of the 1980s) was in 1985. Marian Catholic won quite handedly (this was their first regional win). Lincoln SD was runner-up (the closest they got to a regional title until their 2022 upset). Now aside from Marian in attendance, that regional was not very competitive. In fact, I think it was such a small regional that all competing bands moved onto finals. There were five Wisconsin bands in that group: Whitewater HS, Adams-Friendship HS, Eisenhower HS, Waunakee HS and Chippewa Falls HS.
As for Grand Nationals, yes Oregon HS was a finalist in both 1978 and 1979 when the Grand Nationals were held in the summer in Whitewater WI. Finalist bands during the four years in which GN was held in the summer consisted of the top 6 bands from each of the two classes (Open and A). Oregon slid into finals by finishing 6th in Class A in Prelims both years. They ended up 12th overall in finals both years. The Class A competition was much stronger in 1979, so them making finals that year was a huge achievement. The Oregon HS marching band was a long time competitor in the summer circuits. As the summer high school competitive marching scene dwindled, the Oregon HS marching band transformed itself into Shadow Drum and Bugle Corps. They were the only drum corps supported by a high school. Sadly, in 2022, Shadow folded (perhaps from the financial impacts of the pandemic).
Finally, there were several Wisconsin bands that were in the Summer National Finals of the 1980s, including Oregon HS and Sun Prairie HS. I don't have the recap sheets from those competitions. So back in the day, the Wisconsin high school marching bands were much more active and successful in the summer competitive circuits.
I did find a video of Oregon HS at the 1985 Summer National Finals. I just put it on the vintage video thread. AND I just found some late 1980s videos of Sun Prairie HS.
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Post by yayband914 on Feb 5, 2023 20:47:25 GMT -6
Not Attending:
Greendale H.S., WI (homecoming)
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Post by ILFollower on Feb 9, 2023 16:05:06 GMT -6
Possible:
Huntley H.S., IL
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Post by suburbanbandfan on Feb 17, 2023 23:06:24 GMT -6
Not Likely- John Hersey HS, IL - Tentative schedule released and no BOA events  |
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Post by ILFollower on Mar 10, 2023 9:49:16 GMT -6
Not Attending:
Huntley H.S., IL
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Post by statechamp1239 on Mar 18, 2023 17:47:44 GMT -6
Confirmed:
Oakville H.S., MO - (BOA WI)
Source:
OHS Band Calendar
Drop:
Oak Creek H.S., WI - (Franklin Sabre Invite)
Source:
OCHS Band Calendar
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Post by statechamp1239 on Mar 21, 2023 14:55:41 GMT -6
Mukwonago (WI) calendar came out, and they don't have this Regional but they are going to 2 Sunday comps.
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Post by yayband914 on Mar 21, 2023 15:16:32 GMT -6
Mukwonago (WI) calendar came out, and they don't have this Regional but they are going to 2 Sunday comps. Sunday competitions are very typical in Wisconsin. Southern states are quaking. An aside: While I am hopeful, I’ll be shocked if this regional ends up actually happening. I’ll be more shocked if any Wisconsin bands are in attendance if it does end up happening. Le sad. Anyone have any inside T on how many bands are currently enrolled for this show? |
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Post by dbalash on Mar 21, 2023 19:16:18 GMT -6
Mukwonago (WI) calendar came out, and they don't have this Regional but they are going to 2 Sunday comps. Sunday competitions are very typical in Wisconsin. Southern states are quaking. An aside: While I am hopeful, I’ll be shocked if this regional ends up actually happening. I’ll be more shocked if any Wisconsin bands are in attendance if it does end up happening. Le sad. Anyone have any inside T on how many bands are currently enrolled for this show? I'm hoping this show doesn't magically get cancelled again because a football game gets added late again. Stupid Division III taking forever and a day to post schedules... This is the exact show where BOA should cut fees, have clinics in the morning/afternoon (leadership, performance, directors, etc.) and have a show under the lights. Let's be honest: in the upper Midwest, these groups are seeing most of the same judges week in and week out. This would be a welcome change with new judges to maybe get a new set of eyes on their show, or for new comments to maybe learn something for a young director who runs the whole program. tl;dr Plainfield North, Davenport Central and Oakville are the only bands I've found. |
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Post by yayband914 on Mar 21, 2023 19:28:10 GMT -6
Sunday competitions are very typical in Wisconsin. Southern states are quaking. An aside: While I am hopeful, I’ll be shocked if this regional ends up actually happening. I’ll be more shocked if any Wisconsin bands are in attendance if it does end up happening. Le sad. Anyone have any inside T on how many bands are currently enrolled for this show? I'm hoping this show doesn't magically get cancelled again because a football game gets added late again. Stupid Division III taking forever and a day to post schedules... This is the exact show where BOA should cut fees, have clinics in the morning/afternoon (leadership, performance, directors, etc.) and have a show under the lights. Let's be honest: in the upper Midwest, these groups are seeing most of the same judges week in and week out. This would be a welcome change with new judges to maybe get a new set of eyes on their show, or for new comments to maybe learn something for a young director who runs the whole program. tl;dr Plainfield North, Davenport Central and Oakville are the only bands I've found. I’ve spoken with several directors in the state to see if there’s any interest, and there really isn’t any. Unsurprisingly, they would rather keep the money local since most programs get a substantial sum (for them) from hosting their local competitions. This is more important to them than seeing different adjudicators and getting feedback from a new perspective. The only Wisconsin band that I think would have attended is Greendale, but this falls on their homecoming weekend. Scrap this show (and SoCal, or make them clinics) and try the PNW again. A hill I will die on. There is way more interest up there than the upper Midwest. |
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Post by dbalash on Mar 21, 2023 19:31:03 GMT -6
I'm hoping this show doesn't magically get cancelled again because a football game gets added late again. Stupid Division III taking forever and a day to post schedules... This is the exact show where BOA should cut fees, have clinics in the morning/afternoon (leadership, performance, directors, etc.) and have a show under the lights. Let's be honest: in the upper Midwest, these groups are seeing most of the same judges week in and week out. This would be a welcome change with new judges to maybe get a new set of eyes on their show, or for new comments to maybe learn something for a young director who runs the whole program. tl;dr Plainfield North, Davenport Central and Oakville are the only bands I've found. I’ve spoken with several directors in the state to see if there’s any interest, and there really isn’t any. Unsurprisingly, they would rather keep the money local since most programs get a substantial sum (for them) from hosting their local competitions. This is more important to them than seeing different adjudicators and getting feedback from a new perspective. The only Wisconsin band that I think would have attended is Greendale, but this falls on their homecoming weekend. Scrap this show (and SoCal, or make them clinics) and try the PNW again. A hill I will die on. There is way more interest up there than the upper Midwest. BOA's burned so many bridges in California that it's not even funny. |
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Post by suburbanbandfan on Mar 28, 2023 22:17:54 GMT -6
Not attending- Normal MB, IL (NIU Competition instead)
I believe that this show would have done better if hosted around Week 5/6 for IL bands.
Hosting a BOA regional during Week 2 I believe is too early Week 2 bands are starting to debut, and starting off at BOA might be intimidating.
There is still some hope from some bands including Lincoln-Way, MC, Lake Park, Romeoville, Joliet West, Kaneland (?). Maybe all the bands up north will give it a go. Assuming they start competing LOL.
I'd like for this show to happen.
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