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Post by altosandclarinets on Sept 24, 2023 17:53:23 GMT -6
all right I’ve got to speak my peace on this because It annoys me lol. Listen I get why you all want to congratulate Carroll on this and good for them. But I can’t help but feel bad for the band students that will read this post and all they see is “ Carroll beat homestead and not just by a little bit.” And be incredibly discouraged. Then kind of going back to the whole “homestead can’t recover from a staff change.” Bit. The kids read this stuff and dumping on a school makes them feel really bad. I don’t get why the only school that people talk bad about when they talk down on about their staff changes is homestead. I don’t know, maybe it’s just me but I know that if I had poured my heart out in a preformence just for people online to go “Carroll beat homestead, so that means homestead can’t ever recover” would make me upset. The kids talk about this forum all the time and they don’t appreciate they downplay on their progress. Just from an outside perspective, beating Homestead is a huge accomplishment for a program that has gone up against them head to head for so many years. This is the first time this has happened, so yes, it’s huge! That’s a great accomplishment for Carroll. That doesn’t mean Homestead will never be able to recover though. From my view, they are having a better season over the previous two. The show is coming together much better and has more potential for success in my opinion. Homestead is a legacy program that has had a couple of director changes in a short period of time, so naturally there will be people commenting about that aspect of the program. Times are different than they once were, and that’s ok! Competition is rising at a rapid rate and these things will continue to happen. I’m sure one day Avon and Carmel may have more contenders for the top 2 spots also. I haven’t seen one person on here trash Homestead. Actually I think there are a lot more people rooting for them than you think. Wanna talk about the entire like 3 pages dedicated to talking trash about the homestead parents during that staff change lol. And I did give credit where it was due, i did say good on Carroll. It’s just the comment along the lines of “those of us rooting for a homestead comeback are going to be disappointed” that I thought was a bit out of line. Not mad, just thought that didn’t need to be said. |
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Post by bandmom2 on Sept 24, 2023 17:59:37 GMT -6
And I will add that I know for a fact kids in both bands along with Northrop were all congratulating each other on their shows after Carroll’s exhibition and socializing, so thank goodness they all have a healthy perspective on why they are there.
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Post by thewho on Sept 24, 2023 17:59:56 GMT -6
Per a post on another board, it appears that Carroll beat Homestead last night, and "not just barely." Doesn't seem positive for those of us hoping for a Homestead resurgence. But good for Carroll. This may be the first time they've outscored Homestead. I'm sure they are thrilled. all right I’ve got to speak my peace on this because It annoys me lol. Listen I get why you all want to congratulate Carroll on this and good for them. But I can’t help but feel bad for the band students that will read this post and all they see is “ Carroll beat homestead and not just by a little bit.” And be incredibly discouraged. Then kind of going back to the whole “homestead can’t recover from a staff change.” Bit. The kids read this stuff and dumping on a school makes them feel really bad. I don’t get why the only school that people talk bad about when they talk down on about their staff changes is homestead. I don’t know, maybe it’s just me but I know that if I had poured my heart out in a preformence just for people online to go “Carroll beat homestead, so that means homestead can’t ever recover” would make me upset. The kids talk about this forum all the time and they don’t appreciate they downplay on their progress. I 100% get those sentiments. Homestead seems to have a fairly acrimonious relationship with the forums... Judges can be pretty finicky and intemperate at times. I mean... who knows the exact reason for the gap? Could've been the fact that Carroll already has a pretty complete show vs. Homestead still fleshing out. Could've been the fact it's Carroll's own invitational. Could've been that Carroll did legit have a good run. The only ones who can make that judgement call were the ones that were there that night. However... the NE is starting to enter a pretty interesting point in the pageantry arts. Homestead has long been the king, but Carroll has been slowly improving to this point for a verrrry long time (I'd say about 10-11 years or so?). It was only a matter of time that the program would finally catch Homestead one way or another, and I think this is the year they actually make it happen. Early season competitions don't dictate the state finals/GN placements, but blowing off a rather substantial gap like that wouldn't be good manners especially if Carroll considered Homestead to be a tall obstacle to overcome (in a very role-model-like manner). In the end, though, both programs have extraordinarily strong potentials to do well early on and we're only a few weeks into the season right now. Sometimes you just gotta take the L and start grinding for whatever comes next. |
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Post by oldschooldrummer on Sept 24, 2023 18:00:46 GMT -6
I was at the Carroll contest yesterday, and Carroll has an amazing show. I thought Homestead had a great show/run last night as well. Yes they had some tech issue, but those kids played and marched an incredible show. It felt more like the Homestead I’ve watched for years. I think Homestead is better this year than the past few years. I just think Carroll has taken a huge leap forward this year. From the show design, the music, the color guard uniforms, their sound, how they match; it’s truly a beautiful and amazing show. I’m just excited to see two really strong Class A bands from from Fort Wayne.
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Post by TeamIndiana on Sept 24, 2023 18:04:58 GMT -6
Just from an outside perspective, beating Homestead is a huge accomplishment for a program that has gone up against them head to head for so many years. This is the first time this has happened, so yes, it’s huge! That’s a great accomplishment for Carroll. That doesn’t mean Homestead will never be able to recover though. From my view, they are having a better season over the previous two. The show is coming together much better and has more potential for success in my opinion. Homestead is a legacy program that has had a couple of director changes in a short period of time, so naturally there will be people commenting about that aspect of the program. Times are different than they once were, and that’s ok! Competition is rising at a rapid rate and these things will continue to happen. I’m sure one day Avon and Carmel may have more contenders for the top 2 spots also. I haven’t seen one person on here trash Homestead. Actually I think there are a lot more people rooting for them than you think. Wanna talk about the entire like 3 pages dedicated to talking trash about the homestead parents during that staff change lol. And I did give credit where it was due, i did say good on Carroll. It’s just the comment along the lines of “those of us rooting for a homestead comeback are going to be disappointed” that I thought was a bit out of line. Not mad, just thought that didn’t need to be said. Obviously those who are outside of the program don’t always know what’s going on within (some parents don’t even know what’s happening within their own program). I also understand wanting to “stick up” for your program. We all want to see the kids succeed, especially since they all put in so much time and effort. Most programs don’t want their students and even parents to post publicly because it only takes one or two post to publicly tarnish their hard work. I know Homestead had that rule at one time. I’m guessing they no longer do. As I said, there are MANY Homestead supporters here on the forums, including myself. Don’t let one or two post discourage you! |
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Post by thewho on Sept 24, 2023 18:06:40 GMT -6
Just from an outside perspective, beating Homestead is a huge accomplishment for a program that has gone up against them head to head for so many years. This is the first time this has happened, so yes, it’s huge! That’s a great accomplishment for Carroll. That doesn’t mean Homestead will never be able to recover though. From my view, they are having a better season over the previous two. The show is coming together much better and has more potential for success in my opinion. Homestead is a legacy program that has had a couple of director changes in a short period of time, so naturally there will be people commenting about that aspect of the program. Times are different than they once were, and that’s ok! Competition is rising at a rapid rate and these things will continue to happen. I’m sure one day Avon and Carmel may have more contenders for the top 2 spots also. I haven’t seen one person on here trash Homestead. Actually I think there are a lot more people rooting for them than you think. Wanna talk about the entire like 3 pages dedicated to talking trash about the homestead parents during that staff change lol. And I did give credit where it was due, i did say good on Carroll. It’s just the comment along the lines of “those of us rooting for a homestead comeback are going to be disappointed” that I thought was a bit out of line. Not mad, just thought that didn’t need to be said. That intolerant behavior is on the band parents. Not the students. The things I've heard out of the program was the students have been taking those changes like total champs and professionals, and trust us, many have noticed. There was admittedly a lot of skeptism even amongst the long-time band heads about the hire (including myself), but one thing was to always give new faces a true chance with what they have. My group have been very pleasantly surprised by the Homestead season so far. |
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Post by thewho on Sept 24, 2023 18:17:32 GMT -6
The Goshen/Carroll/Homestead trio have been stepping up their game like no tomorrow lately. There's a few more waiting in the wings for their turn to varying degrees too- Penn, Elkhart, Northrop, Lake Central, and perhaps more.
There are very dedicated teams behind these names and trying build those programs out. Success begets more success. Class A in the north has been a bit tepid the last few years, but I've been encouraged as of recently the last two years.
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Post by altosandclarinets on Sept 24, 2023 18:17:35 GMT -6
Wanna talk about the entire like 3 pages dedicated to talking trash about the homestead parents during that staff change lol. And I did give credit where it was due, i did say good on Carroll. It’s just the comment along the lines of “those of us rooting for a homestead comeback are going to be disappointed” that I thought was a bit out of line. Not mad, just thought that didn’t need to be said. That intolerant behavior is on the band parents. Not the students. The things I've heard out of the program was the students have been taking those changes like total champs and professionals, and trust us, many have noticed. There was admittedly a lot of skeptism even amongst the long-time band heads about the hire (including myself), but one thing was to always give new faces a true chance with what they have. My group have been very pleasantly surprised by the Homestead season so far. I completely agree. And That’s what I was talking about. Someone had said that there’s been no down talk on the band and I was just point out that there has been. And I agree with you. I’m not speaking for homestead or their program and take everything I say with a grain of salt. I just hate that these days all it takes is a staff change and people think that a program is dieing. I didn’t mean to start this long of a thread, i was just annoyed with a single comment and that’s all.  |
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Post by paddy on Sept 24, 2023 19:20:12 GMT -6
Frankly the majority of people who were proclaiming the death of Homestead after the director change were the homestead parents/supporters/alumni. The parents and alumni who shit posted on Facebook, who tore down the new director here, who showed up to the board meeting and crapped on the decision. I watched the video of the board meeting and a few people (including a person who posts here frequently) ought to be ashamed about what they said.
Also, there is a wide gulf between the opinion “Class A is incredibly competitive and Homestead has some new challengers that may have moved them from the solid 3/4 spot” and “Homestead is dying.” Same change has hit Center Grove, Ben Davis and Lawrence. It is ok.
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Post by altosandclarinets on Sept 24, 2023 19:24:26 GMT -6
Frankly the majority of people who were proclaiming the death of Homestead after the director change were the homestead parents/supporters/alumni. The parents and alumni who shit posted on Facebook, who tore down the new director here, who showed up to the board meeting and crapped on the decision. I watched the video of the board meeting and a few people (including a person who posts here frequently) ought to be ashamed about what they said. Also, there is a wide gulf between the opinion “Class A is incredibly competitive and Homestead has some new challengers that may have moved them from the solid 3/4 spot” and “Homestead is dying.” Same change has hit Center Grove, Ben Davis and Lawrence. It is ok. Yep my thoughts exactly. Just worded more… sufficiently? |
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Sept 25, 2023 3:47:15 GMT -6
Frankly the majority of people who were proclaiming the death of Homestead after the director change were the homestead parents/supporters/alumni. The parents and alumni who shit posted on Facebook, who tore down the new director here, who showed up to the board meeting and crapped on the decision. I watched the video of the board meeting and a few people (including a person who posts here frequently) ought to be ashamed about what they said. Also, there is a wide gulf between the opinion “Class A is incredibly competitive and Homestead has some new challengers that may have moved them from the solid 3/4 spot” and “Homestead is dying.” Same change has hit Center Grove, Ben Davis and Lawrence. It is ok. OK. I wasn't goig to comment on any of this but I know half the people here will think you're referring to me. For the record, I did not attend the board meeting, let alone speak there. |
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Post by paddy on Sept 25, 2023 5:08:52 GMT -6
Frankly the majority of people who were proclaiming the death of Homestead after the director change were the homestead parents/supporters/alumni. The parents and alumni who shit posted on Facebook, who tore down the new director here, who showed up to the board meeting and crapped on the decision. I watched the video of the board meeting and a few people (including a person who posts here frequently) ought to be ashamed about what they said. Also, there is a wide gulf between the opinion “Class A is incredibly competitive and Homestead has some new challengers that may have moved them from the solid 3/4 spot” and “Homestead is dying.” Same change has hit Center Grove, Ben Davis and Lawrence. It is ok. OK. I wasn't goig to comment on any of this but I know half the people here will think you're referring to me. For the record, I did not attend the board meeting, let alone speak there. I’m not referring to you at all. The person I am referring to posted that they spoke at the meeting. |
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Post by hewhowaits on Sept 25, 2023 7:32:28 GMT -6
Frankly the majority of people who were proclaiming the death of Homestead after the director change were the homestead parents/supporters/alumni. The parents and alumni who shit posted on Facebook, who tore down the new director here, who showed up to the board meeting and crapped on the decision. I watched the video of the board meeting and a few people (including a person who posts here frequently) ought to be ashamed about what they said. Also, there is a wide gulf between the opinion “Class A is incredibly competitive and Homestead has some new challengers that may have moved them from the solid 3/4 spot” and “Homestead is dying.” Same change has hit Center Grove, Ben Davis and Lawrence. It is ok. It's not okay that things have become more competitive. It's WONDERFUL that things have become more competitive with more challengers. It elevates everyone's game and we're all winners when that happens. |
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Post by yeeyas on Sept 25, 2023 7:48:39 GMT -6
Quick question, i am confused on how judging differs from BOA to ISSMA or even Invitationals. I see Goshen, North, and Lawrence had amazing performances during the weekend at BOA events but how will that transfer to ISSMA events ? or Independent invitationals such as the one Caroll hosted this weekend. I did not know where else to ask so if it is not appropriate to ask here please redirect me to somewhere this can be answered. Thank You!
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Post by paddy on Sept 25, 2023 8:17:37 GMT -6
Quick question, i am confused on how judging differs from BOA to ISSMA or even Invitationals. I see Goshen, North, and Lawrence had amazing performances during the weekend at BOA events but how will that transfer to ISSMA events ? or Independent invitationals such as the one Caroll hosted this weekend. I did not know where else to ask so if it is not appropriate to ask here please redirect me to somewhere this can be answered. Thank You! BOA weighs GE heavier than ISSMA BOA Music 20/100 points Visual 20/100 points Music GE 40/100 Visual GE 20/100 ISSMA Music 40/100 Visual 20/100 MGE 20/100 VGE 20/100 Bands that win music in ISSMA usually place higher at those contests. Bands that are very good at GE do better at BOA. Bands who do both very well do well regardless. |
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Post by paddy on Sept 25, 2023 10:13:42 GMT -6
A follow up to the last post…
Most invitationals in Indiana use either ISSMA or BOA sheets. Some use MSBA but that is less common.
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