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Post by bandmom2 on Nov 13, 2023 13:55:48 GMT -6
That’s slightly insulting to the other bands in that class. Homestead got a bum draw for prelims as the third band in a very heavily stacked panel, and they got an early time as a result and came in and laid out their best performance of the season for their only BOA competition this year. The other bands were also quite good. Your comment insults all the hard work those bands did. I don't think it's all that insulting. Class AAA has had some up and down years and is typically one of the easier classes to place in (due to small numbers that tend to fall into this particular enrollment category). It's an awkward class most years. Homestead was fine, but making excuses for prelims performances is also insulting to the band you are referencing. I can see making excuses for the semifinals draw, but Blue Springs had no rival for that title on this particular year. We can either choose to be offended.. or we can choose to not compete... but competing and being offended at the results doesn't do anyone any good. Being offended at the process and the judges' lack of ability to not hold performance slots against programs is more appropriate. I don’t remember making an excuse for their performance in prelims. They were ready, it was a sound performance and the appearance is they were scored low based on where they were in the panel for prelims, almost missing out on semis. Being an in-state band basically guarantees BOA will slot them in on Thursday for prelims, to allow out of state bands travel time - not saying that is right or wrong, but performance time can put a band at a disadvantage and that was apparent at last year’s super regional for homestead. Someone has to go early, so the only way to fix that is for judges to follow the rubric given and score fairly no matter what time a band performs. I will say I was offended at the process and the judges’ application to scoring bands early in the panels - not just to homestead. Rockford suffered for it too. But someone making a general statement that blue springs had no competition, maybe it’s true, but the way it was stated implied that all the other bands in that class sucked. And that’s not okay for the kids to see here. They did their absolute best, and instead of celebrating them, someone whines there ‘wasn’t any competition’. Whether that was their intent or not doesn’t matter. Blue Springs parents were exceedingly complementary of Homestead’s performances, going so far as to say they felt Homestead should have been ranked higher than ‘next 8’.
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Post by bandmom2 on Nov 13, 2023 13:59:24 GMT -6
I agree that Homestead should be proud. I don't know the dynamic there with the experienced staff and very young director, but whatever they did seemed to right the ship. I look forward to seeing them progress forward, and hopefully back up their historical position in a few years.
As far as the point gain from prelims to semis...this really illustrates (at least to me) the peril of such an early slot, in this case band #3 on panel 2. By all accounts their prelim run was very good, yet scored only an 81.x vs an 85.x in semis. That nearly 4 point gain was MUCH LARGER than the average gain from the bands in that panel. Four times larger. That's an enormous difference for a band that didn't seem to have any particular performance issues on either run. I can only attribute it to judges being tight with scores at the start of a huge competition. (RIP Rockford.) Well said. I'll only add that their semi-final run definitely was better - and by quite a bit. Parents expected there'd be a major leap in scores. They weren't at their best in the prelim run but the semi-final run was quite likely their best performance run to date. I don’t know many parents who were expecting a huge leap in the score - but many who felt Homestead put out two strong performances, agreeing the semi run was their best all season. Four points better? Hard to say.
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Post by rickyrosay on Nov 13, 2023 14:01:00 GMT -6
Hi all, I did some data analysis to see if (1) your prelim panel mattered and (2) your performance time mattered. To do this, I compared how scores for bands making it to semis based on score only changed from prelims to semis. The average semis score improvement for a band that came from Prelim 1 was +0.71 points. The average semis score improvement for a band that came from Prelim 2 was +0.19. Six early performing bands (defined as being in the first panel of the day) made semis. The average score improvement for those early bands was +0.97 and +0.28 points for bands that did not perform early. Of course, there are other factors at play here (like whether the band rehearsed between prelims and semis). There were 13 bands that made semis from Panel 1, and 17 bands that made semis from Panel 2. Here is how scores changed: Panel 1
Blue Springs, MO +0.8 (early performer) William Mason, OH +0.62 Pearland, TX +2.72 Round Rock, TX +2.45 Keller, TX +0.65 (early performer) James Bowie, TX +0.8 Bentonville, AR +1.6 (early performer) Dripping Springs, TX +0.5 (early performer) Morton, IL -0.3 Bourbon County, KY -0.2 (early performer) Lawrence Township, IN +1.4 Marian Catholic, IL -4.3 Walled Lake, MI +2.15 (early performer) Panel 2 Hebron, TX +1 Carmel, IN +2.33 Avon, IN +2.25 The Woodlands, TX +2.91 Brownsburg, IN +2.07 Fishers, IN +1 Claudia Taylor Johnson, TX +0.12 Centerville, OH -0.9 Lake Hamilton, AR -3.8 Kiski Area, PA +1.85 Dartmouth, MA -3.52 Carroll, IN -1.15 Bartlett, TN -1.75 Plymouth-Canton, MI -2.95 Arlington, TN -1.05 Nation Ford, SC +0.35 Homestead, IN +3.95 I'll let folks conclude what they will... and please check my numbers! That -4.3 from Marian is actually insane to see. I wonder if that's Homestead (Not taking a shot I promise, just making an observation) what the reactions would be? That -4.3 from Marian is actually insane to see. I wonder if that's Homestead (Not taking a shot I promise, just making an observation) what the reactions would be?
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Post by bandirectorman on Nov 13, 2023 14:17:59 GMT -6
Hi all, I did some data analysis to see if (1) your prelim panel mattered and (2) your performance time mattered. To do this, I compared how scores for bands making it to semis based on score only changed from prelims to semis. The average semis score improvement for a band that came from Prelim 1 was +0.71 points. The average semis score improvement for a band that came from Prelim 2 was +0.19. Six early performing bands (defined as being in the first panel of the day) made semis. The average score improvement for those early bands was +0.97 and +0.28 points for bands that did not perform early. Of course, there are other factors at play here (like whether the band rehearsed between prelims and semis). There were 13 bands that made semis from Panel 1, and 17 bands that made semis from Panel 2. Here is how scores changed: Panel 1
Blue Springs, MO +0.8 (early performer) William Mason, OH +0.62 Pearland, TX +2.72 Round Rock, TX +2.45 Keller, TX +0.65 (early performer) James Bowie, TX +0.8 Bentonville, AR +1.6 (early performer) Dripping Springs, TX +0.5 (early performer) Morton, IL -0.3 Bourbon County, KY -0.2 (early performer) Lawrence Township, IN +1.4 Marian Catholic, IL -4.3 Walled Lake, MI +2.15 (early performer) Panel 2 Hebron, TX +1 Carmel, IN +2.33 Avon, IN +2.25 The Woodlands, TX +2.91 Brownsburg, IN +2.07 Fishers, IN +1 Claudia Taylor Johnson, TX +0.12 Centerville, OH -0.9 Lake Hamilton, AR -3.8 Kiski Area, PA +1.85 Dartmouth, MA -3.52 Carroll, IN -1.15 Bartlett, TN -1.75 Plymouth-Canton, MI -2.95 Arlington, TN -1.05 Nation Ford, SC +0.35 Homestead, IN +3.95 I'll let folks conclude what they will... and please check my numbers! That -4.3 from Marian is actually insane to see. I wonder if that's Homestead (Not taking a shot I promise, just making an observation) what the reactions would be? That -4.3 from Marian is actually insane to see. I wonder if that's Homestead (Not taking a shot I promise, just making an observation) what the reactions would be? I agree that the Marian fall is insane and called it on Friday night. I congratulated Bourbon County on their win. The dye was cast. One final thought.. Marian Catholic clearly is a revered program and has achieved far more in terms of recognition, awards, finals appearances, championships, etc. than 99% of other programs over a long period of time. I don't think that they're all too worried about whether they place highly or not anymore.. considering the fact that the radical shifts in their own school's demographics and area economics make their inclusion into semifinals versus complete obscurity.. a minor miracle. Homestead had a good year.. but the reaction to such a drop would be insane. Aren't they the band that boycotted BOA over scores in the mid 90s?
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Post by rlrrll on Nov 13, 2023 14:19:05 GMT -6
Hi all, I did some data analysis to see if (1) your prelim panel mattered and (2) your performance time mattered. To do this, I compared how scores for bands making it to semis based on score only changed from prelims to semis. The average semis score improvement for a band that came from Prelim 1 was +0.71 points. The average semis score improvement for a band that came from Prelim 2 was +0.19. Six early performing bands (defined as being in the first panel of the day) made semis. The average score improvement for those early bands was +0.97 and +0.28 points for bands that did not perform early. Of course, there are other factors at play here (like whether the band rehearsed between prelims and semis). There were 13 bands that made semis from Panel 1, and 17 bands that made semis from Panel 2. Here is how scores changed: Panel 1
Blue Springs, MO +0.8 (early performer) William Mason, OH +0.62 Pearland, TX +2.72 Round Rock, TX +2.45 Keller, TX +0.65 (early performer) James Bowie, TX +0.8 Bentonville, AR +1.6 (early performer) Dripping Springs, TX +0.5 (early performer) Morton, IL -0.3 Bourbon County, KY -0.2 (early performer) Lawrence Township, IN +1.4 Marian Catholic, IL -4.3 Walled Lake, MI +2.15 (early performer) Panel 2 Hebron, TX +1 Carmel, IN +2.33 Avon, IN +2.25 The Woodlands, TX +2.91 Brownsburg, IN +2.07 Fishers, IN +1 Claudia Taylor Johnson, TX +0.12 Centerville, OH -0.9 Lake Hamilton, AR -3.8 Kiski Area, PA +1.85 Dartmouth, MA -3.52 Carroll, IN -1.15 Bartlett, TN -1.75 Plymouth-Canton, MI -2.95 Arlington, TN -1.05 Nation Ford, SC +0.35 Homestead, IN +3.95 I'll let folks conclude what they will... and please check my numbers! FYI... since you didn't include the 3 class reps. All 3 performed at the end of the day. Beechwood - Panel 2 +1.2 Estill County - Panel 2 -2.9 Miamisburg - Panel 1 -2.0 So 14 bands from Panel 1 and 19 from Panel 2 performed in semis overall. In semis, only 1 A band (Beechwood) and 1AA band (Kiski) had a score increase if I read that right.
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Post by bandirectorman on Nov 13, 2023 14:23:04 GMT -6
I don't think it's all that insulting. Class AAA has had some up and down years and is typically one of the easier classes to place in (due to small numbers that tend to fall into this particular enrollment category). It's an awkward class most years. Homestead was fine, but making excuses for prelims performances is also insulting to the band you are referencing. I can see making excuses for the semifinals draw, but Blue Springs had no rival for that title on this particular year. We can either choose to be offended.. or we can choose to not compete... but competing and being offended at the results doesn't do anyone any good. Being offended at the process and the judges' lack of ability to not hold performance slots against programs is more appropriate. Looks to me like Homestead should be extremely proud of what they accomplished. I believe they also have a new director. Looks like they easily had the largest point gain of ALL semi-finalists, compared to preliminary round. I know they and Carroll were taken aback by the early Saturday draw and basically those kids were up all night. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make here. The largest 'scoring gain' in semifinals.. was nowhere near the top of the class from a purely numbers perspective. It doesn't change the argument.
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Post by hewhowaits on Nov 13, 2023 14:32:57 GMT -6
That -4.3 from Marian is actually insane to see. I wonder if that's Homestead (Not taking a shot I promise, just making an observation) what the reactions would be? Maybe the -4.3 for MC is evidence that they were over-scored in prelims because their semifinals run appeared to be equally strong at field level.
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Nov 13, 2023 14:50:36 GMT -6
That -4.3 from Marian is actually insane to see. I wonder if that's Homestead (Not taking a shot I promise, just making an observation) what the reactions would be? I agree that the Marian fall is insane and called it on Friday night. I congratulated Bourbon County on their win. The dye was cast. One final thought.. Marian Catholic clearly is a revered program and has achieved far more in terms of recognition, awards, finals appearances, championships, etc. than 99% of other programs over a long period of time. I don't think that they're all too worried about whether they place highly or not anymore.. considering the fact that the radical shifts in their own school's demographics and area economics make their inclusion into semifinals versus complete obscurity.. a minor miracle. Homestead had a good year.. but the reaction to such a drop would be insane. Aren't they the band that boycotted BOA over scores in the mid 90s? I'm not Steve Barber and can't speak for him. But this idea that Homestead boycotted BOA because they were eternally pissed about 1994 is not necessarily accurate. Yes they were disappointed. (The situation was they were 4th in prelims, and dropped to 10th in finals. No semis in those days.) But they didn't "boycott" BOA for 20 years over this. They simply opted to concentrate on ISSMA, which at the time had sheets that were quite different from BOA. (Even into the late 2000's Carmel skipped ISSMA to do BOA only some years.) By the 2010's what worked in BOA and what worked in ISSMA was more or less the same, and Homestead decided to return. Whether their assessment of the differences during that time was completely accurate, that's not for me to say. (Certainly some Indiana bands did well in both, so there's that.) But they didn't hold a 20 year grudge.
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Post by bandirectorman on Nov 13, 2023 14:54:20 GMT -6
I agree that the Marian fall is insane and called it on Friday night. I congratulated Bourbon County on their win. The dye was cast. One final thought.. Marian Catholic clearly is a revered program and has achieved far more in terms of recognition, awards, finals appearances, championships, etc. than 99% of other programs over a long period of time. I don't think that they're all too worried about whether they place highly or not anymore.. considering the fact that the radical shifts in their own school's demographics and area economics make their inclusion into semifinals versus complete obscurity.. a minor miracle. Homestead had a good year.. but the reaction to such a drop would be insane. Aren't they the band that boycotted BOA over scores in the mid 90s? I'm not Steve Barber and can't speak for him. But this idea that Homestead boycotted BOA because they were eternally pissed about 1994 is not necessarily accurate. Yes they were disappointed. (The situation was they were 4th in prelims, and dropped to 10th in finals. No semis in those days.) But they didn't "boycott" BOA for 20 years over this. They simply opted to concentrate on ISSMA, which at the time had sheets that were quite different from BOA. (Even into the late 2000's Carmel skipped ISSMA to do BOA only some years.) By the 2010's what worked in BOA and what worked in ISSMA was more or less the same, and Homestead decided to return. Whether their assessment of the differences during that time was completely accurate, that's not for me to say. (Certainly some Indiana bands did well in both, so there's that.) But they didn't hold a 20 year grudge. Thanks for clarifying. Homestead had some strong bands back then! Definitely could have filled in somewhere in finals well into the late 90s... if not beyond that point.
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Nov 13, 2023 15:01:33 GMT -6
I'm not Steve Barber and can't speak for him. But this idea that Homestead boycotted BOA because they were eternally pissed about 1994 is not necessarily accurate. Yes they were disappointed. (The situation was they were 4th in prelims, and dropped to 10th in finals. No semis in those days.) But they didn't "boycott" BOA for 20 years over this. They simply opted to concentrate on ISSMA, which at the time had sheets that were quite different from BOA. (Even into the late 2000's Carmel skipped ISSMA to do BOA only some years.) By the 2010's what worked in BOA and what worked in ISSMA was more or less the same, and Homestead decided to return. Whether their assessment of the differences during that time was completely accurate, that's not for me to say. (Certainly some Indiana bands did well in both, so there's that.) But they didn't hold a 20 year grudge. Thanks for clarifying. Homestead had some strong bands back then! Definitely could have filled in somewhere in finals well into the late 90s... if not beyond that point. They were a strong group all through the 90's and 2000's (despite Marching Observer marching for them somewhere in there.). I think they'd have been a perennial finalist much like Lawrence Central and Center Grove had they chosen to stay that course. I often wonder how they'd have progressed differently had they remained in the BOA arena.
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Post by rickyrosay on Nov 13, 2023 15:39:03 GMT -6
That -4.3 from Marian is actually insane to see. I wonder if that's Homestead (Not taking a shot I promise, just making an observation) what the reactions would be? Maybe the -4.3 for MC is evidence that they were over-scored in prelims because their semifinals run appeared to be equally strong at field level. *Insert shrug emoji* Maybe you're right! Congrats to all of course and always.
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Post by philodemus on Nov 13, 2023 16:03:28 GMT -6
To me, Marian was clearly the 4th place group in the class, and honestly I don’t think anyone would have thought that even remotely controversial were they not Marian Catholic.
For me, a small band guy chiefly interested in the small bands, the big question coming out of Saturday is the way in which the new format destroyed any chance for accurately choosing a Class A champion. It seems pretty self evident that the Semis panel gave the two groups in on score the benefit of the doubt and gave the class reps no serious thought. That, combined with relative unequal quality of the two Prelims panels, meant that the plainly 3rd and 4th place groups were awarded 1st and 2nd.
I was at first quite pleased with the new format in that it meant Class A would no longer have to contend for a national championship at 6AM in an empty building… but if the choice is between that and a completely inaccurate outcome, then perhaps we should go back to setting our alarms.
But on the other, other hand… I do want a Class A band who gets in on score go have the ability to compete with the big guys in direct comparison. I mean… on the admittedly slim chance we ever again have an A Class group with a shot at Finals, I don’t want to hobble them.
So, I don’t know. No perfect system I suppose.
But we could start by making some effort to equalize the panels.
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Nov 13, 2023 16:39:11 GMT -6
Well personally in case someone from NC A&T sees this I'm having a blast! Blast being the operative word, because they. were. so. loud.
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Post by bandirectorman on Nov 13, 2023 18:14:18 GMT -6
To me, Marian was clearly the 4th place group in the class, and honestly I don’t think anyone would have thought that even remotely controversial were they not Marian Catholic. For me, a small band guy chiefly interested in the small bands, the big question coming out of Saturday is the way in which the new format destroyed any chance for accurately choosing a Class A champion. It seems pretty self evident that the Semis panel gave the two groups in on score the benefit of the doubt and gave the class reps no serious thought. That, combined with relative unequal quality of the two Prelims panels, meant that the plainly 3rd and 4th place groups were awarded 1st and 2nd. I was at first quite pleased with the new format in that it meant Class A would no longer have to contend for a national championship at 6AM in an empty building… but if the choice is between that and a completely inaccurate outcome, then perhaps we should go back to setting our alarms. But on the other, other hand… I do want a Class A band who gets in on score go have the ability to compete with the big guys in direct comparison. I mean… on the admittedly slim chance we ever again have an A Class group with a shot at Finals, I don’t want to hobble them. So, I don’t know. No perfect system I suppose. But we could start by making some effort to equalize the panels. The 3rd and 4th place groups.. were awarded 1st and 2nd.. OK, so you're saying Bourbon County was third place.. Yeah, no.
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Post by philodemus on Nov 13, 2023 18:23:31 GMT -6
To me, Marian was clearly the 4th place group in the class, and honestly I don’t think anyone would have thought that even remotely controversial were they not Marian Catholic. For me, a small band guy chiefly interested in the small bands, the big question coming out of Saturday is the way in which the new format destroyed any chance for accurately choosing a Class A champion. It seems pretty self evident that the Semis panel gave the two groups in on score the benefit of the doubt and gave the class reps no serious thought. That, combined with relative unequal quality of the two Prelims panels, meant that the plainly 3rd and 4th place groups were awarded 1st and 2nd. I was at first quite pleased with the new format in that it meant Class A would no longer have to contend for a national championship at 6AM in an empty building… but if the choice is between that and a completely inaccurate outcome, then perhaps we should go back to setting our alarms. But on the other, other hand… I do want a Class A band who gets in on score go have the ability to compete with the big guys in direct comparison. I mean… on the admittedly slim chance we ever again have an A Class group with a shot at Finals, I don’t want to hobble them. So, I don’t know. No perfect system I suppose. But we could start by making some effort to equalize the panels. The 3rd and 4th place groups.. were awarded 1st and 2nd.. OK, so you're saying Bourbon County was third place.. Yeah, no. On Saturday, yes. They had a rough run with some very overblown, out of tune brass playing. Or—to be fair—that’s how it seemed on the livestream. You were in the stadium, I believe? I could be convinced they were higher, perhaps. But from what I could see/hear, they were third.
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Post by yayband914 on Nov 13, 2023 18:26:13 GMT -6
The 3rd and 4th place groups.. were awarded 1st and 2nd.. OK, so you're saying Bourbon County was third place.. Yeah, no. On Saturday, yes. They had a rough run with some very overblown, out of tune brass playing. Or—to be fair—that’s how it seemed on the livestream. You were in the stadium, I believe? I could be convinced they were higher, perhaps. But from what I could see/hear, they were third. Glad I’m not the only one. I had to put my TV on mute halfway through Bourbon’s show. They must have sounded a lot better live if judges were giving them 17’s in Music subcaptions.
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Post by bandirectorman on Nov 13, 2023 18:28:33 GMT -6
The 3rd and 4th place groups.. were awarded 1st and 2nd.. OK, so you're saying Bourbon County was third place.. Yeah, no. On Saturday, yes. They had a rough run with some very overblown, out of tune brass playing. Or—to be fair—that’s how it seemed on the livestream. You were in the stadium, I believe? I could be convinced they were higher, perhaps. But from what I could see/hear, they were third. I just disagree. It's OK to disagree. I also have a 180-degree difference of opinion. I do not believe Bourbon should have won Class A. Not at all. I would have expected Marian Catholic to win on merit. Not based on reputation, but several other factors. It did not happen and it may not have happened even if Marian didn't have such a lousy slot.. but if it wasn't happening for Boubron or Marian, it wouldn't have happened for the other two bands. Look at how janky the scoring was for that mini-block of bands late in the day? Now, that's JUST PURE LAZINESS on the judging panel. All of the rankings below 30? So, I submit that criticism is valid from the judges who decided to take off a bit early.. and I JUDGE as well (and get banned from this forum every now and then LOL). People took the easy way out and that's why perhaps nothing shifted in Class A the way that you or I felt that it should have. The real competition was on Thursday and Friday, due to the semifinal selection and performance order rules that people are complaining (and rightly so) about.
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Post by bandirectorman on Nov 13, 2023 18:49:53 GMT -6
I'm not sure what point you are trying to make here. The largest 'scoring gain' in semifinals.. was nowhere near the top of the class from a purely numbers perspective. It doesn't change the argument. Dude seriously leave homestead alone. You have commented on it so many times no one cares. Listen that band didn’t care if they made finals, but they sure did put on a show. I know this may be surprising for you to hear but not everyone is trying to win. Grow up and realize that homestead gaining that much is insanely good to do that EVEN if they didn’t get top of their class or whatever. Man if you are a band director like your name says I feel so bad for the stress you must put on your kids. Grow up and quit whining like a baby over people congratulating a band for such a high score gain, them making or not making finals is also irrelevant, the scores are irrelevant, the stupid placements are completely irrelevant that band put on an amazing show and being as early as they were with a time slot that put out Rockford and some other really good bands I’d say people have the right to be excited for them having a 3 point jump. It’s a high school marching band competition they don’t have to win everything. You act like blue springs had 0 competitors but that infers you think that everyone else was bad. So just stop commenting if all your contributing to is the unnecessary spreading of useless criticism for literally no reason. I’m not going to argue with you but just stop enoughs enough. Calm your extra chromosome down and quit trying to tear people down. I commented on Class AAA. Not sure why you’re all bothered by that. I actually complimented the Homestead program of the 90s. But Blue Springs was miles ahead from a purely scoring perspective, so… sorry?
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Post by altosandclarinets on Nov 13, 2023 18:58:46 GMT -6
Dude seriously leave homestead alone. You have commented on it so many times no one cares. Listen that band didn’t care if they made finals, but they sure did put on a show. I know this may be surprising for you to hear but not everyone is trying to win. Grow up and realize that homestead gaining that much is insanely good to do that EVEN if they didn’t get top of their class or whatever. Man if you are a band director like your name says I feel so bad for the stress you must put on your kids. Grow up and quit whining like a baby over people congratulating a band for such a high score gain, them making or not making finals is also irrelevant, the scores are irrelevant, the stupid placements are completely irrelevant that band put on an amazing show and being as early as they were with a time slot that put out Rockford and some other really good bands I’d say people have the right to be excited for them having a 3 point jump. It’s a high school marching band competition they don’t have to win everything. You act like blue springs had 0 competitors but that infers you think that everyone else was bad. So just stop commenting if all your contributing to is the unnecessary spreading of useless criticism for literally no reason. I’m not going to argue with you but just stop enoughs enough. Calm your extra chromosome down and quit trying to tear people down. I commented on Class AAA. Not sure why you’re all bothered by that. I actually complimented the Homestead program of the 90s. But Blue Springs was miles ahead from a purely scoring perspective, so… sorry? Wasn’t talking about that it was more along the lines of another comment where you were like “I don’t get why people are so excited and talking about homestead ‘surge’ it wasn’t anywhere near the top” that’s what made me and some other people annoyed. And you commented on it again. I get that you are looking at things from a “numbers” perspective but think about how that sounds. “I don’t get why people are so happy for homestead when they weren’t even close to winning”. Not everyone looks at the numbers and people were just congratulating a band for having the highest point gain and you kind of ‘rained on the parade’. Homestead gets the brunt of the whining a lot of the times and I can’t stand it. However I will admit my reply was a bit rude and a result of my frustration so I’m sorry too😅
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Post by bandirectorman on Nov 13, 2023 19:49:30 GMT -6
I commented on Class AAA. Not sure why you’re all bothered by that. I actually complimented the Homestead program of the 90s. But Blue Springs was miles ahead from a purely scoring perspective, so… sorry? Wasn’t talking about that it was more along the lines of another comment where you were like “I don’t get why people are so excited and talking about homestead ‘surge’ it wasn’t anywhere near the top” that’s what made me and some other people annoyed. And you commented on it again. I get that you are looking at things from a “numbers” perspective but think about how that sounds. “I don’t get why people are so happy for homestead when they weren’t even close to winning”. Not everyone looks at the numbers and people were just congratulating a band for having the highest point gain and you kind of ‘rained on the parade’. Homestead gets the brunt of the whining a lot of the times and I can’t stand it. However I will admit my reply was a bit rude and a result of my frustration so I’m sorry too😅 All good.
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Post by marimba11 on Nov 17, 2023 13:01:24 GMT -6
I think after seeing everyone in semis, that's why I knew Fishers was in and CTJ was out. Not only because the show was memorable, but because it was clean. This is semis and I think the judges are more scrutinous here. If anything isn't lining up or isn't together - it will hurt you. They are not taking a dirty show into finals. That is why Bentonville got in because they were super clean. I actually don't think CTJ or Bowie's show for example was designed any better or such, but Bentonville was cleaner by a country mile.
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Mar 28, 2024 18:29:03 GMT -6
I’m absolutely blown away that MPLT made top 22 over Carroll & Homestead. Just WOW!!! I very much doubt it happened. Please see my post. As it turned out, the order for these three bands in Prelims was: 21. Carroll -- 83.65 (12th on panel 2) 25. Lawrence Township -- 83.20 (11th on panel 1) 29. Homestead -- 81.25 (17th on panel 2) But then there was some movement in Semis: 19. Homestead -- 85.20 20. Lawrence Township -- 84.60 24. Carroll -- 82.50
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