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Post by Allohak on Nov 14, 2023 12:14:29 GMT -6
www.hornrank.com/2023/11/top-32-rankings-nov-14-2023-week-10.html?m=11. Avon, IN 2. Vandegrift, TX 3. Carmel, IN 4. Hebron, TX 5. Blue Springs, MO 6. The Woodlands, TX 7. Marcus, TX 8. Tarpon Springs, FL 9. William Mason, OH 10. Vista Ridge, TX 11. Flower Mound, TX 12. Ronald Reagan, TX 13. Broken Arrow, OK 14. Rouse, TX 15. Pearland, TX 16. Cedar Park, TX 17. Coppell, TX 18. L.D. Bell, TX 19. Bridgeland, TX 20. Round Rock, TX 21. O’Fallon Township, IL 22. Bentonville, AR 23. Keller, TX 24. Dobyns-Bennett, TN 25. Leander, TX 26. Wakeland, TX 27. Brownsburg, IN 28. Forney, TX 29. Fishers, IN 30. American Fork, UT 31. Cy-Fair, TX 32. Waxahachie, TX First Out – Westlake, TX Next 10 (alphabetical) Cedar Ridge, TX; Centerville, OH; Claudia Taylor Johnson, TX; Dripping Springs, TX; James Bowie, TX; Kiski Area, PA; Lake Travis, TX; Owasso, OK; Rosemount, MN; Union, OK
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Post by Allohak on Nov 14, 2023 12:14:58 GMT -6
Notes:
-Avon is #1 for the 5th time
-Bentonville ties their highest-ever ranking (22nd)
-Blue Springs reaches their highest-ever ranking (5th)
-Bridgeland reaches their highest-ever ranking (19th)
-Forney makes their first appearance
-Pearland reaches their highest-ever ranking (15th)
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Post by hewhowaits on Nov 14, 2023 13:03:38 GMT -6
Additional note - 10 bands have been included in the list of bands ranked/next 10 all 87 times the list has been published
- Avon
- Blue Springs
- Broken Arrow
- Carmel
- Claudia Taylor Johnson (this week in the next 10 makes them the only band on this list to have a week outside the ordered list)
- Hebron
- Marcus
- Tarpon Springs
- The Woodlands
- Vandegrift
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Post by Samuel Culper on Nov 14, 2023 13:31:16 GMT -6
Additional note - 10 bands have been included in the list of bands ranked/next 10 all 87 times the list has been published - Avon - Blue Springs - Broken Arrow - Carmel - Claudia Taylor Johnson (this week in the next 10 makes them the only band on this list to have a week outside the ordered list) - Hebron - Marcus - Tarpon Springs - The Woodlands - Vandegrift So those bands have an active streak of appearing in 87 consecutive polls. It would be really interesting the see the streaks for the other bands in the current poll. |
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Post by hewhowaits on Nov 14, 2023 14:11:10 GMT -6
So those bands have an active streak of appearing in 87 consecutive polls. It would be really interesting the see the streaks for the other bands in the current poll. Flower Mound - 83 (all weeks appearing consecutive) Ronald Reagan - 79 Dobyns-Bennett - 72 Cedar Ridge - 58 Vista Ridge - 54 William Mason - 46 (having missed exactly one poll at the end of the 2017 season) Fishers - 31 Pearland - 30 Round Rock - 30 American Fork - 29 Cedar Park - 28 Brownsburg - 25 Coppell - 24 Wakeland - 17 Bentonville - 16 Rouse - 8 Lake Travis - 8 Cy-Fair - 7 Rosemount - 7 L.D. Bell - 6 Bridgeland - 6 Union - 6 Dripping Springs - 5 O'Fallon Township - 4 Waxahachie - 4 Westlake - 4 Owasso - 4 Keller - 2 Leander - 2 Kiski Area - 2 Forney - 1 James Bowie - 1 Centerville - 1 |
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Post by awkwardpenguin14 on Nov 14, 2023 15:17:56 GMT -6
So after looking at semis scores, if you got 17th or above, you are in the rankings.
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Post by bvillebanddad on Nov 14, 2023 15:20:55 GMT -6
www.hornrank.com/2023/11/top-32-rankings-nov-14-2023-week-10.html?m=11. Avon, IN 2. Vandegrift, TX 3. Carmel, IN 4. Hebron, TX 5. Blue Springs, MO 6. The Woodlands, TX 7. Marcus, TX 8. Tarpon Springs, FL 9. William Mason, OH 10. Vista Ridge, TX 11. Flower Mound, TX 12. Ronald Reagan, TX 13. Broken Arrow, OK 14. Rouse, TX 15. Pearland, TX 16. Cedar Park, TX 17. Coppell, TX 18. L.D. Bell, TX 19. Bridgeland, TX 20. Round Rock, TX 21. O’Fallon Township, IL 22. Bentonville, AR 23. Keller, TX 24. Dobyns-Bennett, TN 25. Leander, TX 26. Wakeland, TX 27. Brownsburg, IN 28. Forney, TX 29. Fishers, IN 30. American Fork, UT 31. Cy-Fair, TX 32. Waxahachie, TX First Out – Westlake, TX Next 10 (alphabetical) Cedar Ridge, TX; Centerville, OH; Claudia Taylor Johnson, TX; Dripping Springs, TX; James Bowie, TX; Kiski Area, PA; Lake Travis, TX; Owasso, OK; Rosemount, MN; Union, OK Hypotheticals are fun. Imagine all of these bands competed in Grand Nationals and placed based on this ranking. Broken Arrow would not make Finals. Wild to ponder! 🤔 (FYI, I am not poking at Broken Arrow. They are amazing. I was merely observing the wild year this has been and thinking how odd it would be to think about Broken Arrow not making a Grand Nationals Final if this hypothetical were reality.) |
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Post by Samuel Culper on Nov 14, 2023 18:08:29 GMT -6
I just want to take a moment to brag on the school district that has five bands in the Top 25 of this final poll: Leander ISD
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Post by srv1084 on Nov 14, 2023 18:32:22 GMT -6
I just want to take a moment to brag on the school district that has five bands in the Top 25 of this final poll: Leander ISD 😊 What an absolutely wild stat. I'm hoping Glenn makes it 6/6 in the near future. They've had some enjoyable shows and it just feels like they're on the verge of breaking through. Also, I never realized that Westwood and McNeil were in Round Rock ISD, nor did I realize how close the two districts were to each other. That's a whole lot of talent in such a small area. |
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Post by horntrumpetdad on Nov 14, 2023 18:45:36 GMT -6
I just want to take a moment to brag on the school district that has five bands in the Top 25 of this final poll: Leander ISD 😊 What an absolutely wild stat. I'm hoping Glenn makes it 6/6 in the near future. They've had some enjoyable shows and it just feels like they're on the verge of breaking through. Also, I never realized that Westwood and McNeil were in Round Rock ISD, nor did I realize how close the two districts were to each other. That's a whole lot of talent in such a small area. In case you didn't know, Cedar Ridge is also RRISD. And James Bowie, Westlake (TX), Lake Travis, and Dripping Springs, are all in or just outside of Austin, TX as well. |
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Post by srv1084 on Nov 14, 2023 18:53:26 GMT -6
What an absolutely wild stat. I'm hoping Glenn makes it 6/6 in the near future. They've had some enjoyable shows and it just feels like they're on the verge of breaking through. Also, I never realized that Westwood and McNeil were in Round Rock ISD, nor did I realize how close the two districts were to each other. That's a whole lot of talent in such a small area. In case you didn't know, Cedar Ridge is also RRISD. And James Bowie, Westlake (TX), Lake Travis, and Dripping Springs, are all in or just outside of Austin, TX as well. That's right, I forgot to mention Cedar Ridge. I knew they were RRISD since they're announced as being from RR, I just always assumed it was only those two schools. |
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Post by oldbandguy on Nov 15, 2023 7:27:01 GMT -6
How long did Wando hold a spot in the rankings before slipping out? Anyone know?
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Post by hewhowaits on Nov 15, 2023 8:12:05 GMT -6
How long did Wando hold a spot in the rankings before slipping out? Anyone know? Wando's recent run was 65 polls. They are now at 85/87 total. |
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Post by oldbandguy on Nov 15, 2023 9:02:04 GMT -6
How long did Wando hold a spot in the rankings before slipping out? Anyone know? Wando's recent run was 65 polls. They are now at 85/87 total. That’s a significant run. I’m sure they’ll be back in no time. |
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Post by thewho on Nov 15, 2023 9:36:09 GMT -6
I haven't noticed Wando drop off until it was pointed out. That's absurd.
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Post by es203 on Nov 15, 2023 9:42:41 GMT -6
Okay actually though wando should be next 10. Swept SC 5A, beat Byrnes by ~3 points. But yeah they’ll be back in in no time
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Post by Allohak on Nov 15, 2023 10:25:27 GMT -6
Okay actually though wando should be next 10. Swept SC 5A, beat Byrnes by ~3 points. But yeah they’ll be back in in no time Wandowas close, like the first group not listed. I think what happened here was people saw that while they did sweep and win SC state, it was by a smaller margin than expected over Byrnes who did not have as strong a showing at Orlando as expected. Coupled with other groups finishing strong at GN and SASR/UIL, there were going to be some casualties. Wando will absolutely be back. I'm not worried about them, at least. |
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Post by oldbandguy on Nov 15, 2023 10:30:27 GMT -6
Okay actually though wando should be next 10. Swept SC 5A, beat Byrnes by ~3 points. But yeah they’ll be back in in no time I don’t know if Wando posting their lowest state score since 2010 had any influence, but I would think they’d definitely be in the next 10 at the very least. Even the 86.15 they put down in Conway isn’t the lowest BOA score they’ve had in the last 3 years. Edit: I didn’t see Allohak’s post before replying. I think I can see the logic. |
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Post by scbanddad on Nov 16, 2023 11:55:34 GMT -6
Okay actually though wando should be next 10. Swept SC 5A, beat Byrnes by ~3 points. But yeah they’ll be back in in no time I don’t know if Wando posting their lowest state score since 2010 had any influence, but I would think they’d definitely be in the next 10 at the very least. Even the 86.15 they put down in Conway isn’t the lowest BOA score they’ve had in the last 3 years. Edit: I didn’t see Allohak’s post before replying. I think I can see the logic. Honestly, I think Wando was pretty happy with this year with such a young band. They went from 50 seniors to 12 thanks to this year's seniors being the Zoom Band Camp kids. Numbers should be back closer to "normal" next year - with a lot more experience, and then really back to pre-pandemic levels the year after. I honestly loved the show this year, but understand falling out of the rankings since the only competitions they did were BOA Carolinas and SC State, and all the scores after those (for all the other bands) went up. |
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Post by oldbandguy on Nov 16, 2023 19:45:58 GMT -6
I don’t know if Wando posting their lowest state score since 2010 had any influence, but I would think they’d definitely be in the next 10 at the very least. Even the 86.15 they put down in Conway isn’t the lowest BOA score they’ve had in the last 3 years. Edit: I didn’t see Allohak’s post before replying. I think I can see the logic. Honestly, I think Wando was pretty happy with this year with such a young band. They went from 50 seniors to 12 thanks to this year's seniors being the Zoom Band Camp kids. Numbers should be back closer to "normal" next year - with a lot more experience, and then really back to pre-pandemic levels the year after. I honestly loved the show this year, but understand falling out of the rankings since the only competitions they did were BOA Carolinas and SC State, and all the scores after those (for all the other bands) went up. I mean, Wando has competed 4 times in the last 2 years so I can see why there’s not a whole lot to go on (2 BOAs since 2021). I also think this years show was actually better than last year (we won’t talk about the SC state of 2022 for personal reasons I will never get over lol). But even so I think they should still at least be in the next 10. |
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Post by dcfw on Nov 17, 2023 14:34:36 GMT -6
The all-time stat lists are interesting... obviously we know the top 10 who are at 100%, and the next 5 are probably the ones with the top current streaks, but if we were to look at the top 25 just total weeks on the chart out of the 87 , who would be in that top 25?
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Post by hewhowaits on Nov 17, 2023 16:01:12 GMT -6
The all-time stat lists are interesting... obviously we know the top 10 who are at 100%, and the next 5 are probably the ones with the top current streaks, but if we were to look at the top 25 just total weeks on the chart out of the 87 , who would be in that top 25? 1-10 (87/87) - Avon, Blue Springs, Broken Arrow, Carmel, Claudia Taylor Johnson, Hebron, Marcus, Tarpon Springs, The Woodlands, Vandegrift 11 (86/87) - William Mason 12-13 (85/87) - Ronald Reagan, Wando 14 (83/87) - Flower Mound 15 (79/87) - Cedar Park 16-17 (78/87) - Cedar Ridge, James Bowie 18-19 (77/87) - L.D. Bell, Leander 20-21 (75/87) - Dobyns-Bennett, Round Rock 22 (72/87) - Castle 23 (70/87) - Homestead 24-25 (66/87) - Keller, O'Fallon Township |
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Post by dcfw on Nov 17, 2023 16:27:23 GMT -6
Very cool, thanks. It is interesting if you made "Top 32" weeks as a tiebreaker, CTJ would fall to 10th, based on their one week as you mentioned.
Who is "on the cusp"? As glad as I am that Homestead is still Top 25 in a "Legacy" list, if they don't start to push back up into the polls, they'll likely fall out of that Top 25 soon.
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Post by lostchoirguy on Nov 17, 2023 16:34:18 GMT -6
Continuing this conversation, which groups have ended every season ranked since this began?
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Post by philodemus on Nov 20, 2023 10:28:59 GMT -6
A Thought Experiment:
Suppose there were a band which had undeniably the best drumline in the world and undeniably the best color guard in the world... but no hornline. Instead, they had an excellent choir which played the melodic role that a hornline normally fills. Let us further suppose that this combination of elements was very, very effective.
Would such a hypothetical band be able to rank as the best in the country?
Or, in this final week, second?
I am genuinely curious to hear opinions.
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Post by horntrumpetdad on Nov 20, 2023 10:46:42 GMT -6
Sounds like an excellent candidate for a marching choir competition. This organization should go and begin one!
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Post by hewhowaits on Nov 20, 2023 11:58:50 GMT -6
A Thought Experiment: Suppose there were a band which had undeniably the best drumline in the world and undeniably the best color guard in the world... but no hornline. Instead, they had an excellent choir which played the melodic role that a hornline normally fills. Let us further suppose that this combination of elements was very, very effective. Would such a hypothetical band be able to rank as the best in the country? Or, in this final week, second? I am genuinely curious to hear opinions. How complex is the visual demand for the musical performers? Do they park and bark or do they simultaneously move while performing the music? How well does the singing blend with the percussion? |
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Post by ilikeguard on Nov 20, 2023 21:00:28 GMT -6
A Thought Experiment: Suppose there were a band which had undeniably the best drumline in the world and undeniably the best color guard in the world... but no hornline. Instead, they had an excellent choir which played the melodic role that a hornline normally fills. Let us further suppose that this combination of elements was very, very effective. Would such a hypothetical band be able to rank as the best in the country? Or, in this final week, second? I am genuinely curious to hear opinions. How complex is the visual demand for the musical performers? Do they park and bark or do they simultaneously move while performing the music? How well does the singing blend with the percussion? I did show choir and I don’t even want to think about running on a field while singing 😭😭😭 |
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Post by aiden on Nov 22, 2023 15:09:16 GMT -6
How complex is the visual demand for the musical performers? Do they park and bark or do they simultaneously move while performing the music? How well does the singing blend with the percussion? I did show choir and I don’t even want to think about running on a field while singing 😭😭😭 what section were you in for choir? |
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Post by ilikeguard on Nov 22, 2023 17:19:38 GMT -6
I did show choir and I don’t even want to think about running on a field while singing 😭😭😭 what section were you in for choir? I was first soprano junior year and first alto senior year. Then I missed college choir auditions because of college band rehearsal 🥹 |
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