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Post by †håñð§ on Feb 14, 2024 10:40:40 GMT -6
With Campbell County’s continued growth over the last few years, I could see them being a potential dark horse for an upset. They were 2nd to Lakota West in 2022, but with a pretty decent gap separating the two, and Lakota West also keeps getting better. Curious to see how that gap opens or closes this year! any ideas on what outsider bands could upset Lakota West's dominance at this regional for the past 3 years? Something to note is that Campbell County has beaten Lakota West before, during the end of the 2023 season at West Clermont and at the MSBA Championships. Although these were MSBA and not BOA, it's still something to keep in mind. I think Campbell County has a pretty good shot at this. West Clermont Recap: recaps.competitionsuite.com/4ef710f9-9498-4e84-9370-ebdcc438539f.htmMSBA 5A Recap: recaps.competitionsuite.com/d2195eea-f115-4456-8be1-44c3a5332770.htm
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Post by lostinthebands on Feb 14, 2024 14:52:02 GMT -6
Fair point. Having seen both shows in person at similar points in the season… with all do respect to Campbell, I’m not actually sure how they placed so far ahead of west. Do keep in mind west was the first to perform at both MSBA matchups (a well known cause of scores getting messed with) and MSBA also has different values then BOA. Yeah… just struggling to see how Campbell could be that far ahead. There show was good, but I’m not sure it’s Lakota West good… yet.
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Feb 14, 2024 15:56:33 GMT -6
Something to note is that Campbell County has beaten Lakota West before, during the end of the 2023 season at West Clermont and at the MSBA Championships.... Fair point. Having seen both shows in person at similar points in the season… with all do respect to Campbell, I’m not actually sure how they placed so far ahead of West..... I knew that Lakota West's 2013 "West Side Story" show, which I loved but only saw at the very end of the season, had lost early that year to a band from Kentucky. I had a vague notion that it was Campbell County. But no, after some digging, I see that it was at the competition hosted by Campbell County (and the host band was not scored there). Lakota West won their class but was second overall in both prelims (by 0.1 points) and finals (by 2.0 points -- finals scores were spread out more than prelims) to Beechwood, with West placing first only in musical effect and percussion (although they were also ahead of Beechwood in guard, which was won by Dixie Heights). Having just watched Beechwood's 2013 performance at that event for the first time, I agree it was quite good (and really clean for a full-length show in early September, although it was standstill for the last 30 seconds). Beechwood would go on at Grand Nationals to score 80.75 in prelims and 75.75 in semifinals (3rd in Class A and 34th overall). I haven't watched that performance yet. I do see that Dublin Coffman finished 31st in Grand Nationals semifinals with a score of 78.00. I saw Coffman that year at the same event where I saw West (two weeks before GN), and I remember quite distinctly thinking that West was better.
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Post by lostinthebands on Feb 14, 2024 17:34:34 GMT -6
Fair point. Having seen both shows in person at similar points in the season… with all do respect to Campbell, I’m not actually sure how they placed so far ahead of West..... I knew that Lakota West's 2013 "West Side Story" show, which I loved but only saw at the very end of the season, had lost early that year to a band from Kentucky. I had a vague notion that it was Campbell County. But no, after some digging, I see that it was at the competition hosted by Campbell County (and the host band was not scored there). Lakota West won their class but was second overall in both prelims (by 0.1 points) and finals (by 2.0 points -- finals scores were spread out more than prelims) to Beechwood, with West placing first only in musical effect and percussion (although they were also ahead of Beechwood in guard, which was won by Dixie Heights). Having just watched Beechwood's 2013 performance at that event for the first time, I agree it was quite good (and really clean for a full-length show in early September, although it was standstill for the last 30 seconds). Beechwood would go on at Grand Nationals to score 80.75 in prelims and 75.75 in semifinals (3rd in Class A and 34th overall). I haven't watched that performance yet. I do see that Dublin Coffman finished 31st in Grand Nationals semifinals with a score of 78.00. I saw Coffman that year at the same event where I saw West (two weeks before GN), and I remember quite distinctly thinking that West was better. Since we are on this topic, MSBA has never been the most…. accurate circuit, likely due to it taking a BOA approach with values that aren’t as clear cut as they probably should be. Having West score an 83 and Campbell with an 85 is such a huge gap that I don’t think should realistically be there. Not trying to have bias for one side of the other, but it goes for a lot of competitions they host. Certain things get painfully overlooked and it often leads to placements that, when reflected into BOA results, are immensely different. Moral of the story: take MSBA results with a major grain of salt. I think they do a good job of looking at the little things, but don’t represent the band as accurately as circuits like BOA (and maybe even OMEA) might.
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Post by onceacamel2018 on Feb 16, 2024 12:06:34 GMT -6
I totally agree with what you are saying. But, to be fair, Campbell also beat Lakota East last season at the Louisville BOA Regional. I don’t think they are on that level yet but it’s fun to see them improve each year. I think Lakota should be the favorite but Campbell is in the mix.
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Post by bigtrombone on Feb 23, 2024 23:55:58 GMT -6
Confirmed:
Lindbergh H.S., MO (Band Calendar - BOA Obetz Regional)
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Post by aiden on Feb 24, 2024 8:36:37 GMT -6
Confirmed: Lindbergh H.S., MO (Band Calendar - BOA Obetz Regional) 👀
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Post by neop on Feb 28, 2024 21:28:11 GMT -6
Attending: Westfield H.S., IN (calendar)
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Post by Allohak on Feb 29, 2024 6:49:52 GMT -6
Confirmed: Lindbergh H.S., MO (Band Calendar - BOA Obetz Regional) Awesome to see them headed back up! They were great to have last season and fought through some serious obstacles, so hopefully this trip will be smoother sailing
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Post by dbalash on Mar 6, 2024 10:38:53 GMT -6
Possible:
O'Fallon Township, IL
Source: Charms (Edwardsville/BOA show)
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Post by lostinthebands on Mar 6, 2024 12:33:15 GMT -6
Possible: O'Fallon Township, IL Source: Charms (Edwardsville/BOA show) Hmmm… low chance of em making it here in my opinion. Especially since they’re already going to 3 BOA comps, and Obetz is full. Unless they want to play the waiting game on the wait list and shoot for 4… 🤷
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Post by aiden on Mar 6, 2024 16:43:43 GMT -6
Obetz is already full?!
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Post by yayband914 on Mar 6, 2024 16:52:09 GMT -6
Shit, if there can be 10 Texas regionals, there can be 3 Ohio regionals. Make aiden’s dreams come true, Music for All!
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Post by dbalash on Mar 6, 2024 16:59:46 GMT -6
Shit, if there can be 10 Texas regionals, there can be 3 Ohio regionals. Make aiden ’s dreams come true, Music for All!
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Post by dbalash on Mar 6, 2024 17:26:31 GMT -6
Confirmed:
Oak Hills, OH
Source: 2024-25 OHHS "All Events" Marching Band Calendar
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Post by bandmom2 on Mar 6, 2024 17:46:02 GMT -6
any ideas on what outsider bands could upset Lakota West's dominance at this regional for the past 3 years? Not gonna lie… it’s crazy that we can say this in February but West will probably take the win at this regional. 4 for 4… not an easy feat! Only possible bands that could knock that would maybe be Homestead, Jenison, maaaaybe Centerville. Majority of those guys will be at other places, and considering we are well into the winter months… highly doubt we will see a surprise competitor pop up. Campbell could give them a scare, but west has been on an impressive rise over the last… what, 5 or 6 years? From making semis in ‘19 to now getting 10th at Indy Super over a crazy bubble of finalist competitors… I just don’t see CCounty magically beating them. Who knows, though! I’d like to see another hyper competitive Central Ohio Regional like last year. Homestead hasn’t put out their schedule yet, but will not be attending Obetz. That weekend is their big fundraiser, so no competition.
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Post by hewhowaits on Mar 6, 2024 18:54:12 GMT -6
Shit, if there can be 10 Texas regionals, there can be 3 Ohio regionals. Make aiden’s dreams come true, Music for All! When there WERE three Ohio events there was much hand-wringing about whether it was needed in addition to two mlti-day events in Indy.
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Post by yayband914 on Mar 6, 2024 18:55:47 GMT -6
Shit, if there can be 10 Texas regionals, there can be 3 Ohio regionals. Make aiden’s dreams come true, Music for All! When there WERE three Ohio events there was much hand-wringing about whether it was needed in addition to two mlti-day events in Indy. It seems as though ever since there have only been two Ohio regionals, interest and demand for Obetz suddenly surged.
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Post by Allohak on Mar 7, 2024 6:59:27 GMT -6
The solution does seem simple. Put events where there is enough interest to fill events. If that's Ohio, great. Why treat one state differently from any other? Nobody is complaining about there being 3 regionals in Tennessee. If your answer to that question is "because Texas bands are 'better'", you couldn't be further from the point and I urge you to go read MFA's mission statement.
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Post by lostinthebands on Mar 7, 2024 11:00:04 GMT -6
Adding more events in Ohio is something that’s so tricky - I think Allohak put it best, people shouldn’t be adding or removing competitions just because they have a certain like or dislike towards it. Ohio is tricky because with 3 competitions, there wasn’t enough enrollment, but with 2 we get plenty of bands attending. As much as I love the idea of adding more, would it just have the same outcome it did last time?
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Post by lostinthebands on Mar 7, 2024 11:01:11 GMT -6
absolutely love the big attendance. Obetz last year was tons of fun with big attendance, so it would be great to see it even just a few bands bigger!
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Post by aiden on Mar 7, 2024 12:59:20 GMT -6
absolutely love the big attendance. Obetz last year was tons of fun with big attendance, so it would be great to see it even just a few bands bigger! I wonder which bands are attending but aren't on the list as attending in this thread
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Post by yayband914 on Mar 7, 2024 13:04:27 GMT -6
absolutely love the big attendance. Obetz last year was tons of fun with big attendance, so it would be great to see it even just a few bands bigger! I wonder which bands are attending but aren't on the list as attending in this thread Probably a shit ton from the Potential/Rumored list.
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Post by aiden on Mar 7, 2024 13:06:30 GMT -6
I wonder which bands are attending but aren't on the list as attending in this thread Probably a shit ton from the Potential/Rumored list. wouldn't be surprised if that's true
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Post by neop on Mar 15, 2024 13:37:32 GMT -6
Attending: Kiski Area H.S., PA (calendar)
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Post by statechamp1239 on Mar 15, 2024 13:44:36 GMT -6
We spoke Kiski into existence. Oops.
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Post by lostinthebands on Mar 15, 2024 15:38:32 GMT -6
LAKOTA VS KISKI THE BATTLE WE HAVE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR
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Post by yayband914 on Mar 15, 2024 15:50:32 GMT -6
LAKOTA VS KISKI THE BATTLE WE HAVE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR We last saw this battle at Grand Nationals 2022, where Kiski placed 20th and Lakota West placed 28th in semifinals. Kiski and Lakota will be the favorites, but Campbell could be a dark horse, too. As has already been mentioned, they beat Lakota West (and East) at every competition they were at together last year, and their numbers have been rapidly increasing. Incidentally, they now have one of the biggest hornlines of any BOA Class A/AA school. Not that size = talent, but it sure doesn’t hurt.
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Post by lostinthebands on Mar 15, 2024 16:00:14 GMT -6
Lakota and Kiski will be an interesting matchup. Both have been growing a ton, Lakota achieving a lot in the past few years at a very fast rate. Plus, I know Lakota does notably well early season. Kiski could definitely win this, but I don’t think it’ll be a close win for either side. Campbell probably won’t make it easy either, although I’d put the previous two above them. This regional just got so much more interesting! Can Lakota pull this regionals first 4 for 4, or will Kiski reclaim their once prized regional?
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Post by trumpet300 on Mar 15, 2024 17:47:30 GMT -6
1.Kiski 2.Lakota 3.CC
Calling this now and I will venture to say it's 2 points or less between 1 and 2 and 2 to 4 points between 2 and 3
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