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Post by Subito Fortissimo on Feb 4, 2024 19:50:48 GMT -6
CWEAJanuary 27th - Premiere at Dorman HS, SC WSA 1. Bands of Barnwell County, SC - 62.050 Recap
February 3rd - Premiere at Catawba Ridge HS, SC WSA 1. North Lincoln HS, NC - 69.100 2. Cuthbertson HS, NC - 66.250 3. Mooresville HS, NC - 64.700 4. Porter Ridge HS, NC - 62.950 WSO 1. Catawba Ridge HS, SC - 72.600 RecapAIA
February 3rd - Cleveland HS, NC WSW 1. Cleveland HS, NC - 71.100 (Incl. 5 point penalty) Recap
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Post by Subito Fortissimo on Feb 10, 2024 20:23:58 GMT -6
2/10/2024 CWEA - Northwestern HS, SC WSO 1. Corinth Holders, NC - 70.200 RecapAIA - Grassfield HS, VA WSA 1. Tuscarora, VA - 71.450 RecapAIA - Holly Springs HS, NC WSA 1. Swansboro, NC - 73.950 2. Carteret Collective, NC - 71.000 3. Carolina Forest, SC - 65.600 WSO 1. Cary, NC - 72.800 WIO 1. Eva Independent, NC - 76.750 WSW 1. Cleveland, NC - 82.050 incl. 0.35 penalty Recap |
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Post by lowbrass84 on Feb 11, 2024 11:47:32 GMT -6
2/10/2024 CWEA - Northwestern HS, SC WSO 1. Corinth Holders, NC - 70.200 RecapAIA - Grassfield HS, VA WSA 1. Tuscarora, VA - 71.450 RecapAIA - Holly Springs HS, NC WSA 1. Swansboro, NC - 73.950 2. Carteret Collective, NC - 71.000 3. Carolina Forest, SC - 65.600 WSO 1. Cary, NC - 72.800 WIO 1. Eva Independent, NC - 76.750 WSW 1. Cleveland, NC - N/A (They were on the schedule but are not on the recap) RecapHolly Springs updated with Cleveland scores, atlanticindoor.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/Holly-Springs-HS-Recaps-10Feb2024-corrected.pdf |
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Post by Subito Fortissimo on Feb 11, 2024 19:46:41 GMT -6
2/10/2024 CWEA - Northwestern HS, SC WSO 1. Corinth Holders, NC - 70.200 RecapAIA - Grassfield HS, VA WSA 1. Tuscarora, VA - 71.450 RecapAIA - Holly Springs HS, NC WSA 1. Swansboro, NC - 73.950 2. Carteret Collective, NC - 71.000 3. Carolina Forest, SC - 65.600 WSO 1. Cary, NC - 72.800 WIO 1. Eva Independent, NC - 76.750 WSW 1. Cleveland, NC - N/A (They were on the schedule but are not on the recap) RecapHolly Springs updated with Cleveland scores, atlanticindoor.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/Holly-Springs-HS-Recaps-10Feb2024-corrected.pdfUpdated. That Cleveland score is a bit eye popping for this early. FWIW I heard from someone who works with one of the groups that competed that they felt like the Winds scores were pretty inflated. |
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Post by Subito Fortissimo on Feb 17, 2024 20:50:18 GMT -6
2/17/2024 CWEA - Mooresville HS, NC WSA 1. Mooresville, NC - 65.550 (incl. 0.4 penalty) WSO 1. Catawba Ridge, SC - 73.800 Recap |
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Post by Subito Fortissimo on Feb 18, 2024 19:11:44 GMT -6
2/17/2024 AIA - Apex Friendship HS, NC WSA 1. Apex Friendship, NC - 77.850 WSO 1. Cary, NC - 77.600 Recap |
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Post by Subito Fortissimo on Feb 25, 2024 22:12:38 GMT -6
2/24/2024 AIA - Woodgrove HS , VA WSA 1. Tuscarora, VA - 76.000 Recap
AIA - Willow Spring HS, NC WSA 1. Apex Friendship, NC - 76.100 2. Carteret Collective, NC - 47.900 (23.95 penalty from 71.850) WIA 1. ECU Black Flag Indoor Winds - 60.850 WSO 1. Cary, NC - 78.550 2. Corinth Holders, NC - 71.250 (1.2 penalty from 72.450) WIO 1. Eva Independent - 78.550 Recap |
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Post by Subito Fortissimo on Mar 2, 2024 22:29:19 GMT -6
3/2/2024 AIA - West Johnston HS, NC WSA 1. Carolina Forest, SC - 70.800 WIA 1. ECU Black Flag Indoor Winds - 66.000 (incl. 0.1 penalty) WSO 1. Corinth Holders, NC - 72.500 WIO 1. Eva Independent Winds - 78.600 (incl. 0.3 penalty) WSW 1. Cleveland, NC - 77.200 (Incl. 2.77 penalty) Recap |
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Post by Subito Fortissimo on Mar 9, 2024 22:46:49 GMT -6
3/9/2024 CWEA - Rock Hill HS, SC WSA 1. North Lincoln, NC - 82.900 2. Porter Ridge, NC - 81.000 3. Cuthbertson, NC - 75.000 4. Bands of Barnwell County, SC - 70.200 WSO 1. Catawba Ridge, SC - 87.450 Recap |
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Post by facethefoliage on Mar 9, 2024 23:56:34 GMT -6
3/9/2024 CWEA - Rock Hill HS, SC WSA 1. North Lincoln, NC - 82.900 2. Porter Ridge, NC - 81.000 3. Cuthbertson, NC - 75.000 4. Bands of Barnwell County, SC - 70.200 WSO 1. Catawba Ridge, SC - 87.450 RecapHello, Catawba Ridge. That is a score. |
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Post by Subito Fortissimo on Mar 10, 2024 0:16:49 GMT -6
3/9/2024 CWEA - Rock Hill HS, SC WSA 1. North Lincoln, NC - 82.900 2. Porter Ridge, NC - 81.000 3. Cuthbertson, NC - 75.000 4. Bands of Barnwell County, SC - 70.200 WSO 1. Catawba Ridge, SC - 87.450 RecapHello, Catawba Ridge. That is a score. Deserved, I think. My understanding is that they have actually asked WGI to evaluate them for promotion to WSW. |
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Post by ohioguy2 on Mar 10, 2024 7:48:52 GMT -6
Hello, Catawba Ridge. That is a score. Deserved, I think. My understanding is that they have actually asked WGI to evaluate them for promotion to WSW. Let’s pump the brakes here a little bit and actually look at the recap. First, you should always tread carefully with the Winds scores when they’re being judged by the same judges as the percussion groups. Those judges usually have far less training in Winds and frankly don’t always know what they’re doing. This was seen recently as Sourh Jones was scoring mid-80s in the MIA a couple weeks ago with a percussion panel and then got a 77 last night with actual WGI Winds judges last night. In addition, I don’t know who “P. Martinez” is, but if you look across the entire show their scores were consistently way higher than everyone else’s, especially at the top of the classes. Looking specifically at CR, their music and visual scores are right in line with most of the upper level Open Class groups are doing around the country and they got spiked a really high Effect score by a person that was spiking numbers all day. And that gets magnified in Winds when the Effect score is 40% of the overall, and the other two captions are 30%. Moral of the story: I’m sure CR is awesome this year, but that’s probably a bit inflated. |
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Post by Subito Fortissimo on Mar 10, 2024 7:49:12 GMT -6
3/9/2024 AIA - Sherando HS, VA WSA 1. Tuscarora, VA - 76.050 Recap
AIA - West Craven HS, NC WSA 1. Swansboro, NC - 80.100 2. Carteret Collective, NC - 71.800 (incl. 3.25 penalty) WIA 1. ECU Black Flag Indoor Winds - 67.650 Recap |
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Post by Subito Fortissimo on Mar 10, 2024 9:42:01 GMT -6
Deserved, I think. My understanding is that they have actually asked WGI to evaluate them for promotion to WSW. Let’s pump the brakes here a little bit and actually look at the recap. First, you should always tread carefully with the Winds scores when they’re being judged by the same judges as the percussion groups. Those judges usually have far less training in Winds and frankly don’t always know what they’re doing. This was seen recently as Sourh Jones was scoring mid-80s in the MIA a couple weeks ago with a percussion panel and then got a 77 last night with actual WGI Winds judges last night. In addition, I don’t know who “P. Martinez” is, but if you look across the entire show their scores were consistently way higher than everyone else’s, especially at the top of the classes. Looking specifically at CR, their music and visual scores are right in line with most of the upper level Open Class groups are doing around the country and they got spiked a really high Effect score by a person that was spiking numbers all day. And that gets magnified in Winds when the Effect score is 40% of the overall, and the other two captions are 30%. Moral of the story: I’m sure CR is awesome this year, but that’s probably a bit inflated. Phillip Martinez from Dallas. That's how he introduced himself on his tapes but that's all I know. |
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Post by ohioguy2 on Mar 10, 2024 10:05:26 GMT -6
Let’s pump the brakes here a little bit and actually look at the recap. First, you should always tread carefully with the Winds scores when they’re being judged by the same judges as the percussion groups. Those judges usually have far less training in Winds and frankly don’t always know what they’re doing. This was seen recently as Sourh Jones was scoring mid-80s in the MIA a couple weeks ago with a percussion panel and then got a 77 last night with actual WGI Winds judges last night. In addition, I don’t know who “P. Martinez” is, but if you look across the entire show their scores were consistently way higher than everyone else’s, especially at the top of the classes. Looking specifically at CR, their music and visual scores are right in line with most of the upper level Open Class groups are doing around the country and they got spiked a really high Effect score by a person that was spiking numbers all day. And that gets magnified in Winds when the Effect score is 40% of the overall, and the other two captions are 30%. Moral of the story: I’m sure CR is awesome this year, but that’s probably a bit inflated. Phillip Martinez from Dallas. That's how he introduced himself on his tapes but that's all I know. Obviously an outstanding percussionist and percussion judge. He also had basically every Winds group scored 10 points higher than the other two judges did. Obviously they’re judging different captions but he was judging on an inflated scale. |
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Post by facethefoliage on Mar 10, 2024 12:17:42 GMT -6
Phillip Martinez from Dallas. That's how he introduced himself on his tapes but that's all I know. Obviously an outstanding percussionist and percussion judge. He also had basically every Winds group scored 10 points higher than the other two judges did. Obviously they’re judging different captions but he was judging on an inflated scale. Sure, which is why it’s folly to cross compare between competitions and circuits. Grains of salt abound. But still, even if it’s a couple points of inflation due to that 90+ GE caption, that is a strong statement by CR at a still-early point in March. |
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Post by Subito Fortissimo on Mar 20, 2024 9:36:20 GMT -6
3/16/2024 CWEA - River Bluff HS, SC WSA 1. Cuthbertson, NC - 71.900 2. Bands of Barnwell County, SC - 66.200 Recap |
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Post by marimba11 on Mar 20, 2024 22:53:50 GMT -6
Deserved, I think. My understanding is that they have actually asked WGI to evaluate them for promotion to WSW. Let’s pump the brakes here a little bit and actually look at the recap. First, you should always tread carefully with the Winds scores when they’re being judged by the same judges as the percussion groups. Those judges usually have far less training in Winds and frankly don’t always know what they’re doing. This was seen recently as Sourh Jones was scoring mid-80s in the MIA a couple weeks ago with a percussion panel and then got a 77 last night with actual WGI Winds judges last night. In addition, I don’t know who “P. Martinez” is, but if you look across the entire show their scores were consistently way higher than everyone else’s, especially at the top of the classes. Looking specifically at CR, their music and visual scores are right in line with most of the upper level Open Class groups are doing around the country and they got spiked a really high Effect score by a person that was spiking numbers all day. And that gets magnified in Winds when the Effect score is 40% of the overall, and the other two captions are 30%. Moral of the story: I’m sure CR is awesome this year, but that’s probably a bit inflated. I don't disagree. I'm dying to see their show if anyone knows where it lives. |
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Post by Subito Fortissimo on Mar 24, 2024 18:29:31 GMT -6
3/23/2024 CWEA - Indian Land HS, SC WSA 1. Mooresville, NC - 72.950 2. Porter Ridge, NC - 72.650 WSO 1. Catawba Ridge, SC - 84.350 (incl. 0.1 penalty) 2. Corinth Holders Combined, NC - 75.000 Recap |
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Post by Subito Fortissimo on Mar 24, 2024 18:35:05 GMT -6
3/24/2024 AIA South Championships - Crown Coliseum - Fayetteville, NC WSA 1. Swansboro, NC - 80.325 2. Apex Friendship, NC - 79.925 3. Carteret Collective, NC - 77.825 4. Carolina Forest, SC - 73.475 WSO 1. Cary, NC - 75.625 (incl. 4.9 penalty) WIO 1. Eva Independent - 83.525 WSW 1. Cleveland, NC - 89.225 Recap |
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Post by Subito Fortissimo on Apr 7, 2024 18:24:46 GMT -6
4/7/2024 AIA North Championships - Hampton Coliseum - Hampton, VA WSA 1. Tuscarora, VA - 81.675 Recap |
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Post by Subito Fortissimo on Apr 13, 2024 19:06:31 GMT -6
4/13/2024 CWEA Circuit Championships - Dorman HS - Roebuck, SC WSA 1. North Lincoln, NC - 79.650 2. Mooresville, NC - 77.300 3. Porter Ridge, NC - 76.325 4. Bands of Barnwell County, SC - 70.025 WSO 1. Catawba Ridge, SC - 89.400 2. Corinth Holders, NC - 83.350 Recap |
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Post by Subito Fortissimo on Apr 13, 2024 19:10:49 GMT -6
That concludes the 2024 Indoor Winds season for AIA and CWEA. Now that all the scores are in I have to say that I am starting to agree more with ohioguy2 regarding the scoring and judging in CWEA. I believe that the judges got the right order throughout the season but the numbers are way off from what I believe they should be. Both in the scores themselves and the spreads between groups. There has been a lot of inconsistency from week to week that I think does not necessarily reflect the show designs and performances. That said, well done to all of the groups! I have thoroughly enjoyed this season and I'm already looking forward to next year...after another Fall marching band season of course! |
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Post by ohioguy2 on Apr 13, 2024 19:30:55 GMT -6
That concludes the 2024 Indoor Winds season for AIA and CWEA. Now that all the scores are in I have to say that I am starting to agree more with ohioguy2 regarding the scoring and judging in CWEA. I believe that the judges got the right order throughout the season but the numbers are way off from what I believe they should be. Both in the scores themselves and the spreads between groups. There has been a lot of inconsistency from week to week that I think does not necessarily reflect the show designs and performances. That said, well done to all of the groups! I have thoroughly enjoyed this season and I'm already looking forward to next year...after another Fall marching band season of course! Thanks for sharing these all year. In checking out these recaps, it’s interesting to note that of the 6 judges who judged Winds, one of them is an actual WGI Winds finals judge (Mike Tarr on visual). It looks like he was usually the “lowest” number for almost every group, especially the Open class groups. Take that for what you will. |
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Post by Subito Fortissimo on Apr 13, 2024 21:13:15 GMT -6
That concludes the 2024 Indoor Winds season for AIA and CWEA. Now that all the scores are in I have to say that I am starting to agree more with ohioguy2 regarding the scoring and judging in CWEA. I believe that the judges got the right order throughout the season but the numbers are way off from what I believe they should be. Both in the scores themselves and the spreads between groups. There has been a lot of inconsistency from week to week that I think does not necessarily reflect the show designs and performances. That said, well done to all of the groups! I have thoroughly enjoyed this season and I'm already looking forward to next year...after another Fall marching band season of course! Thanks for sharing these all year. In checking out these recaps, it’s interesting to note that of the 6 judges who judged Winds, one of them is an actual WGI Winds finals judge (Mike Tarr on visual). It looks like he was usually the “lowest” number for almost every group, especially the Open class groups. Take that for what you will. I think just from my own perspective and opinion the only show I attended that I felt like the scores and spreads were accurate was the WGI Clayton regional. |
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